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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 557
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/25/2008 1:14:22 PM | message detail |
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I don't see how losing updates to Pyramid Head confirms that you can't
beat Zidane. I mean sure Zidane got my vote and all, but he been
looking like horrible a non FF RPG character in the contests. To expect
anything from him is silly. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. EC > Me |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/25/2008 1:19:57 PM | message detail |
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It's not so much expecting anything from Zidane as it is being horribly
unimpressed with Shadow. Getting 26% in a match where you have Auron
(admittedly strong), Pyramid Head, and a character that lost to Pyramid Head
is downright pathetic. Not to mention that Shadow had zero overlap and
stood out like hell in his match, whereas Zidane had to share the
spotlight with two well-known PS1 entities and Ness (seriously, that
performance was more a downer for Ness than anyone else). --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/25/2008 1:21:50 PM | message detail |
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^that's true, I had Ness > Alucard. But I got more points in that match then those who has Alucard > Ness ^_^ --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. EC > Me |
| Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/25/2008 1:29:11 PM | message detail |
| Zack's ceiling is Aeris. His floor is fodder line. I have a feeling he'll fall somewhere in the middle, around Alucard levels. A solid midcarder, which is more than enough to take him past the scrubs in division 1. No way he gets beat by Shadow nowadays, even without Link in the poll. Did you see Shadow last year? He did bad enough that people are considering Zidane over Shadow, and that's terrible. |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/25/2008 1:30:08 PM | message detail |
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Cloud Sephiroth Snake Sonic Link Mega Man X Samus Vincent Come on upsets --- Feel my truth. |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/25/2008 1:31:30 PM | message detail |
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I considered Zidane there - I think he could possibly take Zack - but
don't like the idea of Luke being there. not a huge deal, but enough to
tip the scales in Shadow's favour. --- xyzzy |
| Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/25/2008 1:31:40 PM | message detail |
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Cloud > Snake is fairly obvious. Without Link around to rope in the
Smash support, Snake should have no trouble with SFF'd Sephy. No way Vincent beats Link in any situation. Even with Mario/Samus/Link/Vincent, I can't see him beating Link. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2008 1:32:30 PM | message detail |
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Luke really isn't going to do anything. Different console, different fanbase, and horrendously weak. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/25/2008 1:35:00 PM | message detail |
| I'm going to call it now, Luke does worse than Jade Curtiss, setting a new bar of suckitude for Fails characters. |
| Lopen | Posted 8/25/2008 1:35:13 PM | message detail |
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Link with Mario and Samus in the poll probably gets drug down far
enough to be beaten by... Snake, Cloud, Sephiroth, or Master Chief. I don't think anyone else could manage it... well, aside from L-Block ha. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/25/2008 1:35:55 PM | message detail |
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No way Vincent beats Link in any situation. Even with Mario/Samus/Link/Vincent, I can't see him beating Link. I wouldn't either. Mega Man X and Samus are both needed for the whole thing to work! --- Feel my truth. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2008 1:36:48 PM | message detail |
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I don't think it's possible to do worse than Jade Curtiss. Luke is the
main character of the game, after all...so is Tidus though. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/25/2008 1:45:37 PM | message detail |
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Isn't Jade the main character of his game? And isn't Luke's game older compared to Jade's recent game? Forgive me for not being 100% knowledgeable on a crappy series of **** games and characters. |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 8/25/2008 1:47:12 PM | message detail |
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No, they're in the same game... Luke is the main, Jade is, the
'fanfavorite' I would guess. Like Kratos of Symphonia. Although no
where near as charismatic as Kratos apparently --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2008 1:47:27 PM | message detail |
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Both are from Tales of the Abyss. Luke is the main character, Jade is like the Kratos Aurion... oh god maybe Luke really will be that bad. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/25/2008 1:57:59 PM | message detail |
| If Jade is Kratos to Luke's Lloyd, I think it's possible we've found our new Tanner |
| MnMZero | Posted 8/25/2008 2:24:50 PM | message detail |
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I'm not really worried about a Link/Mario/Samus/Vincent poll. We've
already seen Samus in a poll with Link and Mario. She might as well not
be there. That leaves more than enough for Link to take that poll
easily. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/25/2008 2:29:53 PM | message detail |
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We'll most likely be seeing this in the quarterfinals: Sephiroth Dante Sonic MC Now, Sonic/MC is debatable. There's little doubt in my mind that MC would have beaten Sonic in this situation last year... MC got 24/26 against Snake, while Sonic got 22/29 against Snake. However, SSBB is out, and Halo 3 is old news now, so I see Sonic with a great chance here. I still have MC, though. Also, does Kain Highwind have any chance at all against Raiden? --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/25/2008 2:37:53 PM | message detail |
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As pathetic as Raiden was last year, nah. Fisher would probably
dispatch Cecil without too much trouble, and Kain would be lucky to be
as strong as Cecil. --- Mustache...and green... |
| Master Moltar | Posted 8/25/2008 2:42:58 PM | message detail |
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Master Chief train of believe and GAME FUEL part 2 is starting up. Final stop: The semi-finals. aww yeah (anything to get the discussion off zack i swear we aren't even a week into the bracket period and i'm already sick of hearing about him) --- Moltar Status: =D Brawlin' - 4339-2157-7264 |
| ChronicYouth | Posted 8/25/2008 2:44:38 PM | message detail |
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black haired cloud > link BELIEVE --- can you dig it? |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/25/2008 2:52:29 PM | message detail |
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Zack is the new Vincent woo BUT HE'S OPTIONAL --- xyzzy |
| Yesmar | Posted 8/25/2008 2:56:22 PM | message detail |
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And finally, I'm not sold on this idea of FFVII players not knowing who Zack is. It's not that FFVII players don't know who Zack is, but why would you care about someone who only shows up in like two flashbacks, and with the exception of an optional scene, has no lines? Getting 26% in a match where you have Auron (admittedly strong), Pyramid Head, and a character that lost to Pyramid Head is downright pathetic. Not that I don't think Zidane has a shot at Shadow, but I think the Pyramid Head that we saw in 2007 is not the one we saw in Sp2005. He beat Chris Redfield, who I doubt is that bad popularity wise, all things considered. --- You need to meet someone at a garden, or a movie or something. Somewhere classy. Like a cooking recipe message board or something.--True Godhand/Curt |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/25/2008 3:02:55 PM | message detail |
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It's not that FFVII players don't know who Zack is, but why would
you care about someone who only shows up in like two flashbacks, and
with the exception of an optional scene, has no lines? It's not necessarily so much presence as it is importance to the storyline - Jenova is another good example of this, and she'd easily be above two-thirds of the Villains Contest field (for all that's worth, I guess). Representation from FF7 helps. Looking cool and having Cloud's sword helps. He doesn't have that much going for him on substance, but I struggle to see why that matters. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/25/2008 3:10:06 PM | message detail |
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Jenova is a focus of the story.. Zack is kind of a sidestory.
important, but if this wasn't FF7 we wouldn't even stop to consider
this. the Turks would probably beat Zack on FF7 alone. my main question is if people will make the connection - that the Zack in this poll is the one in FF7. --- xyzzy |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/25/2008 3:15:29 PM | message detail |
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And remember that someone as well-known as Samus lost a lot of
recognition with a Zero Suit picture. Still, I'd wager a lot of people
remember that Zack was in FFVII and looks vaguely like Cloud. And that
might be enough to carry him to the quarterfinals in his division. But
I also think a lot of the "oh, hey, he was in FFVII, right?" votes
could turn into "LINK! *squeal*" votes, just based on how much of a
draw Link is. If Zack's big opponents weren't, like, Shadow and Marth,
that would probably matter. --- Mustache...and green... |
| Lopen | Posted 8/25/2008 3:16:19 PM | message detail |
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Master Chief train of believe and GAME FUEL part 2 is starting up. Final stop: The semi-finals. Final stop? I think not. Master Chief > Cloud > Solid Snake > Sephiroth Believe FF7/MGS SFF will make it happen. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/25/2008 3:18:23 PM | message detail |
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The one problem I see with Zack is that he's going to be listed in the
poll as "Zack Fair", a surname I'm pretty sure was bestowed on him
post-FF7. That could be enough to give voters the impression he's a
different character if his picture isn't recognizable enough. Of course
a Buster Sword eradicates that possibility entirely, but as has been
said that's not exactly a guarantee. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/25/2008 3:19:29 PM | message detail |
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I had the same exact thought. damn you, Zack Fair! dude needs to be called "Zack FFVII". instant fourth round appearance. --- xyzzy |
| ZFS | Posted 8/25/2008 3:20:35 PM | message detail |
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did i see crisis core compared to spore a couple of pages back --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| ZFS | Posted 8/25/2008 3:22:58 PM | message detail |
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Zack is the new Vincent woo BUT HE'S OPTIONAL Let's do this --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/25/2008 3:23:12 PM | message detail |
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The second round is usually faces. I certainly wouldn't count on a
Buster Sword pic. And his CC hair doesn't look to much like Cloud's
signature spike to me. --- Mustache...and green... |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2008 3:25:10 PM | message detail |
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Not that I don't think Zidane has a shot at Shadow, but I think the
Pyramid Head that we saw in 2007 is not the one we saw in Sp2005. He
beat Chris Redfield, who I doubt is that bad popularity wise, all
things considered. Obviously, considering PH got double the votes he did against Bowser alone, but it still shows how much Shadow has dropped. Honestly, his next match is probably an even bigger indicator of his weakness. He did much worse in comparisan to Auron than last match, and if Shadow really is someone that thrives on casuals who don't know who else to vote for, Link is going to hurt that badly. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| ZFS | Posted 8/25/2008 3:32:56 PM | message detail |
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We're getting a little out of control with this 'looks like Cloud'
stuff. Zack isn't going to have to rely on a specific type of picture -
every one he could get would be great. He looks cool, he oozes FFVII,
and in a couple of pictures he almost works as a proxy. Whatever the
case he's distinctive - and that should help him plenty. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| Axem Turtle | Posted 8/25/2008 3:38:49 PM | message detail |
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I still don't understand how Zack isn't a decisive favourite here.
Everything points to him being at least a midcarder, if not stronger,
and that is more than enough to beat Shadow, his only real threat in
here. Or was Sonic Team's 2007 run not indicative enough? We need more talk about how Ryu is going to ride SFF to the finals. |
| Lopen | Posted 8/25/2008 3:52:00 PM | message detail |
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Everything points to him being at least a midcarder What points to this. Crisis Core? His very minor role in FF7? He is a black hai-- *gets shot* *brushes self off and gets up* Okay... is there anything other than that? You're taking a guy to be a midcarder that has a PSP game, a virtual cameo role on FF7 and his picture? Everything that people say would hurt Shadow I think applies doubly to Zack. A "cool image" can only get you so far. Zack's pretty much only going to get apathy votes, bracket votes, and Crisis Core votes... if you think that's enough for him to be a midcarder knock yourself out, but I don't. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2008 3:56:20 PM | message detail |
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Come on upsets no man my upsets are way better Master Chief > Link gotta separate myself from the pack just to fail again yup lol. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| red sox 777 | Posted 8/25/2008 4:12:28 PM | message detail |
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Zack will get votes from the people who will vote FF7 over anything.
There are few games that have more than a few fans like this, but FF7
is one of them. That is not to say that most FFVII fans are like this,
but in this format, that is enough to make him, or even any playable
FFVII character sans Cait Sith, a midcarder- or at least strong enough
to beat the likes of Shadow and Wario, especially with Link likely
taking in well over 50% of the votes. --- "Fate has no forgiveness for those who dare stand against it." ~Chrono Cross Game Over Screen |
| Lopen | Posted 8/25/2008 4:14:44 PM | message detail |
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Those people don't exist, but if you believe the voters are all robots more power to you. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| ZFS | Posted 8/25/2008 4:35:07 PM | message detail |
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Crisis Core? His very minor role in FF7? He is a black hai-- *gets shot* A combination of everything, not just one factor. People are overthinking Zack too much. Look at Vincent - he beats characters are that far more relevant than he is in FFVII, he beats the main character of a game that got 40% on FFVII, and he had no problems handling the villain of this site's favorite series. He did all of that on the back of being an optional playable character, very few lines, and no plot relevance. It wasn't because he tore it up in battle either. I'm not saying that Zack is going to turn into a Vincent, far from it. Fortunately, he needs only a fraction of what Vincent has to cruise out of his division. Zack's got everything he needs - including his own well-received game - to do it, too. I think this skepticism would be absolutely warranted if we were talking about Zack going up against a Master Chief or a Zero or something. But it's Shadow, Shadow the Hedgehog. Zack doesn't need much to get by here. We'll have to see. Not many more points that can be argued that haven't been already. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/25/2008 4:44:56 PM | message detail |
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Honestly, I think the bottom half of the bracket is much more
interesting than Shadow/Zack(/Cecil/Zidane). There's six legitimate
contenders there, and even Isaac has BRAWLFEAR going for him. (Poor
Guybrush.) --- Mustache...and green... |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/25/2008 4:49:18 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2897&num=4 Actually, looking at this makes me feel good about Kefka, of all people. Getting SFF'd by Cloud and still managing to be close to Marcus and Ocelot bodes well for him in a match where Link is going to be pulling down huge percentages. I wonder if he could sneak by in a Link/Shadow/Marth LFF trio...? --- Mustache...and green... |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/25/2008 4:50:16 PM | message detail |
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Heroic Mario makes a very good case... but I can't help but feel like
I've seen this before, a match that seems one-sided until you sit there
and over-analyze it and convince yourself Zack's going to be strong. I
have that same feeling here. I want to put Zack out of the division
pretty badly, but I'm trying to hold off because I'm going to kick
myself if he bombs like he should. --- xyzzy |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/25/2008 4:53:46 PM | message detail |
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I'm also afraid that people are picking against Shadow because nobody
likes him here. this is a guy that went even with Tidus, got his own
game (bad, good, I don't care), and is now projected to lose to Zack
Fair. is anybody taking Zack over Tidus? --- xyzzy |
| ZFS | Posted 8/25/2008 4:55:43 PM | message detail |
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I think it's less to do with feelings about Shadow and more to do with what he did last year. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/25/2008 4:56:56 PM | message detail |
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I'd take Zack over Tidus. Don't judge me. --- She may be your girl but that ass is mine! XBOX Live Gamertag: TriggerTRE |
| The_Ocelot2 | Posted 8/25/2008 4:57:12 PM | message detail |
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What's the opinion on Vincent>Samus in the divisional finals? Looks like a good upset pick. --- Go Ducks Go! This fox is still one step ahead of the hounds |
| ZFS | Posted 8/25/2008 4:57:19 PM | message detail |
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I wonder if he could sneak by in a Link/Shadow/Marth LFF trio...? Heh. Sprite round, too. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/25/2008 4:59:05 PM | message detail |
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Putting aside the fact that Tidus/Shadow was four years ago, the format
matters more than anything here. Is Knuckles equal to Rikku, Tails
equal to The Boss, and post-SSBB Sonic equal to Squall? - heavens no,
but this format gives the improbable new life. Sonic characters bomb in
this format, Shadow was perhaps the biggest stinker last year, and
there's little indication things should be different this time around. I was riding high on Shadow last year, for the record, even giving him outside shots at getting past the second round - prove me wrong, gun-totin' black Sonic. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Master Moltar | Posted 8/25/2008 5:00:45 PM | message detail |
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shadow support is low now but just you wait, you'll soon be going "zack who" this is his year to shine part 2 (2003 was the first) --- Moltar Status: =D Brawlin' - 4339-2157-7264 |
