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| ZFS | Posted 8/25/2008 5:55:29 PM | message detail |
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And anyway, I'd say FFIV DS should be more respected as a boost for Cecil than Crisis Core should be as a boost for Zack. OK, then. That'll do it for me. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2008 5:57:41 PM | message detail |
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There is no way in hell that FFIV boosts Cecil more than Crisis Core boosts Zack. No. Way. The only reason Zack is even on ANYONE'S mind is because of Crisis Core. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/25/2008 6:00:17 PM | message detail |
| He's been on my mind aaaaaaaaaall night. |
| Lopen | Posted 8/25/2008 6:01:35 PM | message detail |
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Anyway, to sum up what I'm saying one last time, EC had it basically
right. When you're gunning for your main source of strength to be from
a game with 37% ownership on the site, you're just asking for trouble. Didn't Nathan Hale's game win PS3 game of the year when it was released? "Epic Hale boost." And okay, proportionally, I suppose it's a bit ludicrous for CC to be below FFIVDS for boosting ability... but, yeah... let's just say that Cecil's initial popularity lead should keep him well above Zack. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| Axem Turtle | Posted 8/25/2008 6:04:47 PM | message detail |
| His initial popularity of getting tripled by an overrated Kirby? |
| Lopen | Posted 8/25/2008 6:05:41 PM | message detail |
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What do you think Zack gets pre crisis core? I'd call for an septupling at least. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/25/2008 6:05:45 PM | message detail |
| Does Crisis Core have 37% site ownership or site-wide players? I consider 37% ownership pretty darn good; I didn't even know 37% of the site had a PSP. |
| Lopen | Posted 8/25/2008 6:06:37 PM | message detail |
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A system with 37% ownership, my bad. Game's probably got half of that if it's lucky. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| Axem Turtle | Posted 8/25/2008 6:14:05 PM | message detail |
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Before CC and after Advent Children, I'd say he's equal to 2k5 Cecil.
CC did more for Zack than FF4DS did for Cecil. Shadow you could make a
case for beating Zack, Cecil, no chance in hell. Cecil (2005c raw) VS Alucard (2005c raw) Cecil has a strength of 17.35. Alucard has a strength of 22.94. Alucard wins with 62.18% of the vote! A win of 22,873 with 93,864 total votes cast. Keeping in mind these are raw stats, not taking into account Snake/Sora and Kirby/Bowser and Bowser/Snake I pegged Zack to be about Alucard levels a few topics ago. |
| Lopen | Posted 8/25/2008 6:17:27 PM | message detail |
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Yeah I think you pegged Zero to be Crono level a few topics ago too. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| Axem Turtle | Posted 8/25/2008 6:20:22 PM | message detail |
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I pegged Zero to be able to take advantage of SFF. Didn't pan out because of Link. I was wrong and I admit that. It was a call I made more on fanboyism than logic. Which is why Ryu is going to win this year to prove it can be done under the right conditions. |
| Lopen | Posted 8/25/2008 6:23:50 PM | message detail |
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That was more than just a jab. The point was that your "pegging" of Zack isn't really anymore credible than most people's and thus your numbers to "back up your logic" showing Cecil vs Alucard have no real point. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| Axem Turtle | Posted 8/25/2008 6:27:20 PM | message detail |
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My point was to illustrate just how weak Cecil was. Even against an underrated midcarder, the overrated Cecil got his ass completely kicked. Zack can be 45/55 against Alucard and still win comfortably. ZACK DOES NOT NEED TO BE STRONG TO BEAT THAT PIECE OF CRAP FODDER CECIL. |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 8/25/2008 7:03:13 PM | message detail |
| Spent the last couple days catching up on
everything in Stats since the bracket went up. My gut reaction was that
I'd be giving Zack 0 respect this season in the hopes of not getting
burned like we were with Balthier, but now that I take a second look at
his ideal placement alongside Link the whole situation has got me
interested. Very interested. It's clear that Zack's strength is going to be tied heavily to how well he can do in his pictures, so with that in mind I put together this little page: http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Zack_Fair Assuming SB uses the same themes for each round of this Contest, those are the pictures I think it's most likely for us to see Zack drawing. So I guess you can take a look and compare those in your head against the kind of pics his opponent will likely be getting and make your own decision. --- Hot Content: thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com He isn't a killer. He just wins - thoroughly. |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/25/2008 7:05:18 PM | message detail |
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SP. Now out of those PSP owners, you have to wager a guess to how
many actually played Crisis Core, and judging from it's less than
stellar sales, I'm going to go ahead and say not all that many As of April 1, 2008, Crisis Core has sold 301,600 copies upon its first month of release in the United States.[21] Behind the sales of God of War: Chains of Olympus (340,500), Crisis Core was the 2nd best-selling game for the PSP during the month of March and the 6th best-selling game overall.[21] As of November 19, 2007, the game has sold 710,000 copies in Japan according to Square Enix[22]. --- Feel my truth. |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 8/25/2008 7:09:26 PM | message detail |
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Regarding Ocelot vs Jill... Remember that there was no BOP last season, since it's been so overshadowed by the Guru. Luckily you can get complete Guru stats over at http://www.thengamer.com/guru/stats.php Where you'll see, for instance, that the Cloud/Ocelot/Jill picks were Match #6 [Who Picked Whom] Group Winner Cloud - 182 (99.45%) Ocelot - 1 (0.55%) --- Second Place Jill Valentine - 149 (81.42%) Ocelot - 32 (17.49%) Cloud - 1 (0.55%) Zolom - 1 (0.55%) Regarding the 4th place finishing doing terrible... Thanks for the credit, but I didn't make the original observation or come up with any match to prove it. I DID certainly notice it happening almost every match and factor it into my Oracle picks, though. As I recall that 4th place crumbling was called things like the "Fodder Fail Factor" or "Fodder Fluctuation Factor" by some people last season. But as has been pointed out, even if you forgive Shadow his dreadful R2 performance and chalk it up to FFF, you've got to keep in mind how awful he looked in the first round as well. --- Hot Content: thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com He isn't a killer. He just wins - thoroughly. |
| EternalxCourage | Posted 8/25/2008 7:16:30 PM | message detail |
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Zack makes it far because of who he is and who he resembles. Period. --- Do you know who the **** I am? ***** I'm the man. The one and only Curt. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2008 7:20:54 PM | message detail |
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Out of curiosity, if Zidane upsets Shadow would any of you take him
over Zack? Zack would have to be pretty weak, but as we've discussed
that's a distinct possibility, and Wario will be SFFd by Link. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| BeTheMan | Posted 8/25/2008 7:43:58 PM | message detail |
| Let's not forget that we're on a website where Laharl can pull down over 20,000 votes in a four-way poll. Face time in FF7 be damned, if Zack flops, it won't be for lack of recognition. |
| Axem Turtle | Posted 8/25/2008 7:53:27 PM | message detail |
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Zidane won't be beating Shadow though. You can discuss Zidane/Cecil all you want, because that's pretty much the only person in Division 1 he'll have a good match with. |
| smitelf | Posted 8/25/2008 7:53:53 PM | message detail |
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Zack (because I think we all know where we stand on him now, even if we
all disagree about where that is), pick your winners of these matches: Duke/Kefka/Marth/Niko Marth > Kefka Luigi/Liquid Snake/Bowser/Phoenix Luigi > Liquid Snake Frog/Ganondorf/KOS-MOS/Neku Ganondorf > KOS-MOS L-Block/Meta Knight/Ryu/The Dog Ryu > Meta Knight Donkey Kong/Tails/Tidus/Weighted Companion Cube WCC > DK --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/25/2008 7:56:12 PM | message detail |
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L-Block/Meta Knight/Ryu/The Dog Ryu > Meta Knight Donkey Kong/Tails/Tidus/Weighted Companion Cube WCC > DK does not compute. --- xyzzy |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/25/2008 7:57:36 PM | message detail |
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Duke/Kefka/Marth/Niko Niko > Kefka Bowser > Liquid Snake Ganondorf > Frog Ryu > Meta Knight Tidus > DK --- For your health. |
| smitelf | Posted 8/25/2008 7:58:16 PM | message detail |
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does not compute. It computes fine. L-Block is an old joke set against tough competition. Weighted Companion Cube is a mildly funny joke set against low-mid carders. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/25/2008 8:00:13 PM | message detail |
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so you're telling me you'd take WCC over L-Block because it's a "new joke"? --- xyzzy |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/25/2008 8:00:37 PM | message detail |
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It computes fine. L-Block is an old joke set against tough
competition. Weighted Companion Cube is a mildly funny joke set against
low-mid carders. Are you suggesting that Meta Knight would beat Tidus and DK? --- For your health. |
| ZFS | Posted 8/25/2008 8:01:01 PM | message detail |
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Marth > Niko Luigi > Liquid Snake Ganondorf > Frog Ryu > L-Block Tidus > Donkey Kong --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| ffmasterjose | Posted 8/25/2008 8:02:08 PM | message detail |
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Duke/Kefka/Marth/Niko Marth > Duke He's got BALLS OF STEEL....boy Luigi/Liquid Snake/Bowser/Phoenix Luigi > Liquid Snake Same. Frog/Ganondorf/KOS-MOS/Neku Ganondorf > Frog Don't trust KOS-MOS, Frog's one tough little bastard that's always a source of controversy. L-Block/Meta Knight/Ryu/The Dog Ryu > L-Block Defending champ should at least advance in one match Donkey Kong/Tails/Tidus/Weighted Companion Cube Tidus > DK Very very little faith in that though, but I don't trust the Cube to be a funny enough joke >_> --- 0/0 points - The Great GameFAQs Character Battle VII NP: Wario > Zack Fair |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/25/2008 8:03:28 PM | message detail |
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what's with these picks with Luigi beating Bowser? --- For your health. |
| smitelf | Posted 8/25/2008 8:06:57 PM | message detail |
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so you're telling me you'd take WCC over L-Block because it's a "new joke"? No, I'm telling you that WCC doesn't have to be stronger than L-Block to make it out of his four-pack because his four pack contains a choker (DK), a declining FF hero who wasn't that popular to begin with (Tidus), and an unimpressive Sonic character. I could see Mudkip beating that kind of competition, assuming Tidus has continued his decline and DK continues to do what he does best (i.e. failing at contests). Meanwhile a lot of resistance has built up against L-Block because it simply isn't funny anymore, and while anti-votes don't have much strength in four-way matches, I suspect that a lot of the people on his bandwagon last year won't be on it again. Are you suggesting that Meta Knight would beat Tidus and DK? Who knows? I do think Meta Knight is better suited to this format than either of them, though. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| Xeybozn | Posted 8/25/2008 8:09:38 PM | message detail |
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Marth > Kefka Bowser > Luigi Ganondorf > Frog Ryu > L-Block Tidus > DK |
| smitelf | Posted 8/25/2008 8:10:50 PM | message detail |
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Very very little faith in that though, but I don't trust the Cube to be a funny enough joke >_> I think the WCC's fate is actually closely entwined with L-Block. If L-Block falls, I suspect that WCC will be a form of revenge...at least for one match (WCC could never really top L-Block because it's not as iconic). I probably won't stick with having WCC in first, but second would be a sound upset pick, IMO. The only other option is some combo of Tidus and DK, and what are the chances that both won't choke against a joke character? --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| smitelf | Posted 8/25/2008 8:11:54 PM | message detail |
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MoogleKupo141 (#479) Why would you choose otherwise? Bowser has proven extremely weak to SFF/LFF and Luigi is (lol) statistically stronger. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| Yesmar | Posted 8/25/2008 8:13:02 PM | message detail |
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I could see Mudkip beating that kind of competition, assuming Tidus
has continued his decline and DK continues to do what he does best
(i.e. failing at contests). Mudkip has a lot of Pokemon fans to draw on. How many people on GameFAQS have even played Portal? And DK has only choked in the sense that he's been in a lot of close matches. That's just coincidence, and you can twist anything around to make it negative. DK even making two of the "chokejobs" close was an accomplishment to begin with. --- You need to meet someone at a garden, or a movie or something. Somewhere classy. Like a cooking recipe message board or something.--True Godhand/Curt |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/25/2008 8:14:34 PM | message detail |
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No, I'm telling you that WCC doesn't have to be stronger than
L-Block to make it out of his four-pack because his four pack contains
a choker (DK), a declining FF hero who wasn't that popular to begin
with (Tidus), and an unimpressive Sonic character. this logic is... weird, because you're assuming the joke characters are linear. "Donkey Kong or Tidus... man, I don't like these guys, let's vote for the Cube." if that was the case, L-Block would have gotten like 45% in the Kirby match. it just doesn't work that way. no matter what, you're looking at a Cube that needs to score like 25%. 25% have to "get" the joke. maybe this is true, but I wouldn't base it on the strength of the characters involved, but rather if the character can get a high enough percentage to pass into the next round. --- xyzzy |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/25/2008 8:15:10 PM | message detail |
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When did Luigi become statistically stronger than Bowser? What did I miss? but on second thought, Luigi beat Ganondorf out last year, so maybe he is the better choice... --- For your health. |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/25/2008 8:15:27 PM | message detail |
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I could see Mudkip beating that kind of competition, assuming Tidus
has continued his decline and DK continues to do what he does best
(i.e. failing at contests). Could? If Mudkip was in that match I'd honestly take him for first. But WCC isn't comparable to Mudkip at all. --- Demyx is better than Axel. Just like Explicit Content is better than me for winning the Guru contest. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 8/25/2008 8:17:56 PM | message detail |
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but on second thought, Luigi beat Ganondorf out last year, so maybe he is the better choice... we all know who would've really won the match if ganondorf's picture wasn't....that thing --- Moltar Status: =D Brawlin' - 4339-2157-7264 |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/25/2008 8:18:17 PM | message detail |
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Duke/Kefka/Marth/Niko Marth > Niko...though I'm not confident at all. I really do think Niko will be stronger than CJ (as he appeared in SC2K5), though. I keep getting this feeling that Marth may be overestimated, though I still decided with him for first. Luigi/Liquid Snake/Bowser/Phoenix Luigi > Liquid Snake...heh. No real reasoning. Frog/Ganondorf/KOS-MOS/Neku Ganondorf > Frog. I can't see Frog losing anyone he's close to. Ever. I'll keep rooting against him, though! (not that I hate Frog himself, but just his contest self) L-Block/Meta Knight/Ryu/The Dog Ryu > L-Block. The Dog would have to be a real powerhouse to let MK overtake L-Block, if you ask me. I predict The Dog to do pretty badly... 10-15%. I hope I'm wrong. Donkey Kong/Tails/Tidus/Weighted Companion Cube DK > Tidus. I'm seriously considering putting WCC somewhere in there and booting out Tidus, but I don't know... the only reason for that was its surprising score in the L-Block/WCC/Paddle/? Block match. WCC got a nice 20%, and more than doubled Paddles score. Also, I have difficulty seeing Tidus doing better than DK (contrary to some opinions), as Tidus was beat easily by Pikachu. Also, DK didn't do too much worse than Kirby in relation to Kratos (like comparing 40% and 43% in a one-on-one battle), and both of them suffered by arguably comparable Nintendo leeching (though I don't think they suffered very much). I'm sure Kirby would beat Pikachu in this format. The only reason Kirby destroyed DK when they were together is because DK just gets SFFed easily, in my opinion. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| smitelf | Posted 8/25/2008 8:18:56 PM | message detail |
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Mudkip has a lot of Pokemon fans to draw on. How many people on GameFAQS have even played Portal? I'd imagine quite a few. The Orange Box isn't exactly some obscure title. But hell, I haven't even played Portal and I'd still vote for WCC in this match just because the other options are so lame. And DK has only choked in the sense that he's been in a lot of close matches. That's just coincidence, and you can twist anything around to make it negative. DK even making two of the "chokejobs" close was an accomplishment to begin with. Fair enough. I know WCC is an upset pick, but I think it's a pretty rational one. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/25/2008 8:19:26 PM | message detail |
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Duke/Kefka/Marth/Niko Marth > Kefka Looks like we're in agreement on this one, and while I don't have much faith in Niko, I can see him or Duke upending Kefka. It's wildly in the air, and my only real confidence lies with BRAWLFEARMarth in first. Luigi/Liquid Snake/Bowser/Phoenix Luigi > Bowser I originally had Liquid WINNING this match before I remembered his downright awful performance against decent competition. He went from beating Alucard (slimmest margin ever, granted) to playing Alucard's dweeby sidekick in the next match. Just what the heck was that? Luigi and Bowser are sharing a massive fanbase split, but I don't expect either one of them to get the better of it by a very convincing margin, which makes things harder for Liquid. Of course, they're also both much stronger than him. Frog/Ganondorf/KOS-MOS/Neku Ganondorf > KOS-MOS Contest Rule #7: When in doubt, FROG. Actually, I'm not even doubting this one, as Frog will leap (leap, Frog, aaaaaahahahaha) to a great night start before Ganondorf whacks them all with the day vote. Too much for KOS-MOS, especially after her rather lackluster performance last year. L-Block/Meta Knight/Ryu/The Dog Ryu > L-Block Ryu's fanbase, like Ryu himself, is loyal and steady. I'm hoping that The Dog syphons enough joke votes to give Ryu a comfortable win, but I have an awfully hard time picturing Meta sneaking up in there as well. Donkey Kong/Tails/Tidus/Weighted Companion Cube Tidus > Donkey Kong Cube is too obscure, too new. There's no nostalgia or instant recognizability there. Far be it from me to call a Cube win impossible, as my scared ass had him winning like 83 matches when the bracket was revealed, but the more I think of it, the worse he looks. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| smitelf | Posted 8/25/2008 8:21:11 PM | message detail |
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When did Luigi become statistically stronger than Bowser? What did I miss? Last year? You tell me. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/25/2008 8:22:19 PM | message detail |
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Alright, screw it. I changed my bracket. Now I've got Luigi > Bowser instead of Bowser > L Snake because the more I think about it, the more trouble I have with either one of them being LFFed or SFFed or whatevered enough to lose to Liquid Snake. That change gives me three Mario characters in the next round, so now I'm taking MMX > Mario there. --- For your health. |
| MichaelWClark | Posted 8/25/2008 8:22:41 PM | message detail |
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post --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2008 8:27:03 PM | message detail |
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post --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| smitelf | Posted 8/25/2008 8:28:08 PM | message detail |
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no matter what, you're looking at a Cube that needs to score like
25%. 25% have to "get" the joke. maybe this is true, but I wouldn't
base it on the strength of the characters involved, but rather if the
character can get a high enough percentage to pass into the next round. <_< Okay, you've convinced me to stick WCC in second instead, after DK. I still think it has a good shot to take on Tidus though. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/25/2008 8:41:48 PM | message detail |
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transience, slightly altering one bracket at a time! (you should see what I've done to Heroic Mario's. good god.) --- xyzzy |
| MichaelWClark | Posted 8/25/2008 8:42:10 PM | message detail |
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DK>Tidus. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| Axem Turtle | Posted 8/25/2008 8:42:12 PM | message detail |
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Gimme Luigi > Bowser. Luigi has done nothing but impress since 2005, and Bowser has done nothing but disappoint since 2006. Beating Zero and Kirby (by a greater margin) > losing to Ryu by a landslide and almost losing to Mewtwo. |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/25/2008 8:42:28 PM | message detail |
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vote Zack --- xyzzy |
