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Lopen | Posted 8/22/2008 3:02:27 PM | message detail

I'd vote for the Dog over quite a few in this bracket. Yeah, of course you've gotta hate the bastard but that's part of the funniness. Some people obviously did think it was a funny joke entrant if it got enough nominations without a board rally.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/22/2008 3:02:43 PM | message detail

Hmm, apparently this year the new thing in stats topics is to put words in other people's mouths.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 3:04:19 PM | message detail

KamikazePotato (#291)
I mean, just use common sense. Ike is more popular in Brawl and has two FE games to draw from. Marth only has Melee over Ike, and almost everyone who got Melee got Brawl too.

you specifically said this. either that or somebody was on your computer.

and honestly, i'm feeling iffy on Mewtwo > Ness. i suppose this depends on Travis's strength more than anything.. but will Mewtwo blow out Ness more than we think?
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ZFS | Posted 8/22/2008 3:13:01 PM | message detail

steve illumina sighting

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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/22/2008 3:13:04 PM | message detail

KamikazePotato (#302)
Hmm, apparently this year the new thing in stats topics is to put words in other people's mouths.

There's nothing new about that
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 8/22/2008 3:14:50 PM | message detail

I don't think The Dog is an appealing joke character considering he's really an *******, and it's much more likely L-Block leeches joke votes from The Dog than vice versa. Even at normal L-Block 28% strength he might outdo Meta-Knight if Ryu doesn't keep it close. I'd imagine he'd be stronger than his Round 1 form this time, probably around Round 3 or 4 level? I think Meta Knight won't be a problem.

Now Crono and Ryu is another story. That I don't even want to think about.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/22/2008 3:16:46 PM | message detail

I was referring to Ike now, not last year.

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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/22/2008 3:22:23 PM | message detail

I maintain that L-block will be close to, but still below Meta Knight because THE JOKE IS OVER. Noone really cares about L-block as evidenced by it losing to the Mario block.
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ZhangJunyi | Posted 8/22/2008 3:25:37 PM | message detail

I'm pretty sure that L-Block isn't a joke character anymore. After all, how can a character be a joke after they win the whole thing? The fact that we are considering L-Block and threat and expecting him to actually do something negates him from being a joke character.

I really don't think L-Block is getting joke votes anymore. He'll get second in the first round at best.

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Osfan | Posted 8/22/2008 3:25:37 PM | message detail

I think everyone is missing the point on what a joke character is. I mean are we really trying to argue L-Block is more appealing then The Dog? Its a block for crying out loud there is no appeal. Jeez even in game if we are really gonna argue this point the T and I block are far more appealing as they are useful. There is no appeal for a joke character if the game is not legendary. People are not voting for L-Block because it is appealing in terms of character, they vote for it because it represents the legendary Tetris game. So even being the ******* The Dog is he will still take votes in the joke department why because he represents the Legendary Duck Hunt game, this is another joke that almost everyone is in on which is why L-Block was so successful in the first place.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/22/2008 3:27:28 PM | message detail

So I guess the big question is...which joke character's legendary game has more to offer?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 3:32:03 PM | message detail

i think people should be more worried about sandbag than the l-block.
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ZhangJunyi | Posted 8/22/2008 3:33:38 PM | message detail

Is Sandbag some sort of big fad on the Smash Boards? I don't get the appeal.

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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/22/2008 3:34:06 PM | message detail

Actually, people were voting for L-block for the sheer obsurdity of a Tetris block kicking ass in the character battle. This is like Master Hand x500.

And the more I look at it, the more I can't help but feel Big Daddy is an upset waiting to happen. Bioshock was a pretty huge game, and the situation is far too perfect for Gordon NOT to choke.
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/22/2008 3:37:22 PM | message detail

Sandbag has a shot at beating out Magus, but there is 0% chance he beats Auron
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 3:40:44 PM | message detail

it's possible for Big Daddy to win... are there any Bioshock polls?

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RPGuy96 | Posted 8/22/2008 3:44:05 PM | message detail

I think the real question is: how strong will L-Block be out of the gate? There's a really good chance Meta-Knight beats round 1 L-Block last year (especially if The Dog does hold L down and BRAWLFEAR). We know preBrawl Meta-Knight was stronger than Peach and Wario; round 1 L was well behind Kirby. Round 2 L-Block probably beats BRAWLFEARMeta, and after that it's certain that L wins.

But I think it's round 2 where L faces his biggest challenge. Crono/Ryu/Ammy is pretty much the perfect storm for taking down the juggernaut. Crono's strong enough to pull mid-30s and comfortably win, but not strong enough to push Ryu down too far. Ryu carried himself wonderfully last year and is certainly stronger than Kratos, who L lost to in the 2nd round and defeated in the 3rd. He should be able to carve out a serious chunk of percentage here. And Ammy is weak enough not to hoard percentage for herself; she only managed 12% with Dante, Leon, and Pika, and she's got much stronger competition here. She'll be well below 10%, which means she won't affect Crono and Ryu too badly. As an added bonus, there's no LFF at all here.

It's risky, though, because after round 2 L's essentially golden. Round 3 is weaker than the round 2 pack. Round 4's got a lot of strength, but Vincent and Crono will probably hurt each other. Round 5 and 6 have Nintendo LFF all over the place, and L in the final is a scary sight to behold, as we saw last year.
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/22/2008 3:44:16 PM | message detail

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2990

Hmmm, maybe not
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 3:45:21 PM | message detail

meh, that poll doesnt help Big Daddy much... especially against the PC fanbase.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/22/2008 3:48:00 PM | message detail

yep. L's biggest test is round 2. the only problem is that Amaterasu's got a dedicated fanbase, small as it may be, so that may hurt Ryu's chances there.

I also wonder if Ryu could upend Crono. it's not impossible.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 3:49:32 PM | message detail

yeah. ryu >>>> zero definitely.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 3:49:52 PM | message detail

also after that match Ryu pretty much faced every Noble Niner but.. Mario.
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/22/2008 3:52:08 PM | message detail

He'll be seeing Mario in the semifinals with Link and Samus <_<
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/22/2008 3:54:08 PM | message detail

Near elite rankings IMO:

Vincent >= Squall > Auron > Ryu > Ganondorf > Dante > Sora > Yoshi > Luigi > Zero > Bowser

Maybe through Tifa in after Ryu.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/22/2008 4:10:02 PM | message detail

Yoshi > Luigi > Zero > Bowser

Hmm...
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 4:15:50 PM | message detail

lol Zero over Bowser.
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/22/2008 4:17:32 PM | message detail

Did you see Bowser and Yoshi in 2006 and 2007? You can't tell me you honestly think that hasn't been reversed? Donkey Kong beat Master Chief once, does that mean that the result would be repeated if they went again tomorrow?
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ChronicYouth | Posted 8/22/2008 4:17:38 PM | message detail

so does BT try to make increasingly horrific picks from contest to contest or is he just getting dumber

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HaRRicH | Posted 8/22/2008 4:20:04 PM | message detail

Okay, I finally give comfortable enough to give my run-down of the divisions:

DIVISION 1:
I'm not too worried about Zack with Cecil in the poll and Wario post-Brawl while Shadow's in round two. Shadow going even further this easily is sad/scary, but whatever. Kefka's in possibly my favorite four-pack, but I'll take Marth > Niko this round...though it only gets weirder next round for them. I like Niko > Marth in round two right now, but Lucario...damn.

DIVISION 2:
Roxas may give Liquid a scare, but Liquid should be one-n-done with MGS4 not having enough to change this:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2915
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2904

I like Bowser > Luigi, but it's hard to say with them. Phoenix should beat Geno due to Bowser. I had Mario > Knuckles for a long time...but Mega Man proved he could SFF Yoshi in 2k5, yet last year he couldn't knock Yoshi below Knuckles. Mario > Mega Man in both strength and SFF-power, sure, but Zelda > Yoshi too. I'm surprised at how many matches I have MMX winning due to too much Nintendo in some polls, and Mario/Luigi/Bowser/MMX is funny to me. Damn you Mudkip.

DIVISION 3:
The first round's not exciting...I see Scorpion > Gordon is being contested by some in favor of Balthier though and I don't know why. It's as if last year's contest didn't happen. Also, does anybody else think Vincent could upset Samus in the third round? With Ganon in the mix (and MAYBE Falco, though doubtful due to Scorpion), Samus's inability to SFF him or Zelda in previous years, and Vincent > Tifa (ignoring Samus/Tifa in 2k6)...I think there's a real shot.

DIVISION 4:
I'm calling L-Block out in round two -- come on, Crono > Ryu. Kratos Aurion advancing a round at Diddy's expense is a travesty. Pikachu/Arthas/Ike make for two difficult matches...I'll go with Arthas > Pika and Alucard > Pika, but it's hard to say.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/22/2008 4:20:19 PM | message detail

DIVISION 5:
Tidus...grrr. I've got him placing second twice, but I may be giving DK too much credit. WCC! Come on Olimar, though you'll only get SFF'd by DK in round two. King Dedede should beat Pit, though they're both losing. Sackboy? ...is that in the rules? I mean, it's not really out yet. Is LBW coming out by his match, at least? The only other challenge left is MM/Zero in the division final...you know, after Solid blows them out. I'm not buying the upset, but it might get interesting.

DIVISION 6:
I'm gonna give Miles a chance -- Cloud will take much percentage like Link did without being on Nintendo handhelds a lot, and Midna did not impress me last year. Plus, if it's close, Miles may get some PW-lite rallying. I've decided on Mewtwo > Ness instead of Pac-Man...thanks, comparisons to Scorpion and thinking Mewtwo won't SFF Ness too badly. Squall will beat Sora like round three last year since Aeris is gone so I think Squall > Yoshi's fine for two rounds...but I'll **** if Squall beat Yoshi with Cloud in the poll. I have Cloud > Yoshi, but I might switch to Mewtwo. Bowser may have beaten Mewtwo with Toad in the poll, but Bidoof got 13.27% with Link/Zelda/Vincent and Mudkip got 24.97% against Luigi/Ganon/Vergil. Mewtwo > either of those Pokemon and Cloud will keep the percentages low and without SFF. Could be fun to watch.....

DIVISION 7:
Come on Jinjo! Why wouldn't Ramza advance a round, again? Big Boss and Raiden crush each other's already-small chances to advance further. I'm taking the chance that Dante/Leon-fishyness happens again, so I've got Riku > Dante...then MC > Kirby (> Dante > Riku) for the division final.

DIVISION 8:
SANDBAG. Sub-Zero's wasted...he and Tifa should have traded places or something. Nana still doesn't stand a chance. Jill's also wasted -- trade her with Fenix so we can at least see Revolver try to get revenge on him post-MGS4. I think Sephiroth will still beat Sonic with Auron in the poll, but man, it'll be close.

THE REST:
I think MMX beats Mario every time until Link's in the mix, oddly enough. I'm still taking Vincent > Crono, though it's scary, yes. I'm taking Sephiroth > MC (> Sonic) since Kirby will hinder Sonic's SSBB-support and MC was ultimately more impressive to me than Sonic last year...but not having a game release this contest in his favor does scare me too. I'll take Link > Vincent (or Crono) over Mario/Samus...haha, what a set-up. Cloud > Solid since Seph's SFF'd/LFF'd, and we finish classically with Link > Cloud.
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Yesmar | Posted 8/22/2008 4:20:21 PM | message detail

Donkey Kong beat Master Chief once

When did that ever happen?

Sure Yoshi beat Dante, but how do we know that 2005 Dante wasn't a fluke, or that he hasn't dropped since then?
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Mumei | Posted 8/22/2008 4:22:39 PM | message detail

yep. L's biggest test is round 2. the only problem is that Amaterasu's got a dedicated fanbase, small as it may be, so that may hurt Ryu's chances there.

I would abandon Fluffy in an instant to kill the Block. <_<

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 4:25:26 PM | message detail

Did you see Bowser and Yoshi in 2006 and 2007? You can't tell me you honestly think that hasn't been reversed? Donkey Kong beat Master Chief once, does that mean that the result would be repeated if they went again tomorrow?

2007 is irrelevant. there is no proof of Zero ever being higher than Bowser since 2004 and we all know his 2004 strength is just wishful thinking.

quit the bias.
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/22/2008 4:26:11 PM | message detail

alright i'm putting faith in the faqs here

not putting L past round 2

come on ryu/meta/crono
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ChronicYouth | Posted 8/22/2008 4:26:36 PM | message detail

Zero is a turd. Remember when he beat Crono last year? Yeah me either.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 4:31:49 PM | message detail

I think MMX beats Mario every time until Link's in the mix, oddly enough.

i'm curious as to why.. even with LInk in the mix.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 8/22/2008 4:37:58 PM | message detail

I have X over Mario in X/Mario/Luigi/Bowser, but not before or after. That match has the potential to be really, really weird, as long as Mudkip doesn't come along and screw it up.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 4:39:36 PM | message detail

anybody think Niko could possibly LFF off of Duke a bit?
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Lopen | Posted 8/22/2008 4:42:25 PM | message detail

If Mario/Luigi/Bowser/MMX comes along, I'd almost consider MMX > Luigi or something equally nonsensical as a result. Multioption Mario polls are a receipe for disaster... I dunno why no one's taking this crazy upset.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 4:44:54 PM | message detail

i dont even have Bowser in that round anyway.
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Lopen | Posted 8/22/2008 4:47:22 PM | message detail

I don't either, which is why I'm not taking it.
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ZFS | Posted 8/22/2008 4:47:49 PM | message detail

let's go liquid

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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/22/2008 4:50:37 PM | message detail

Last I checked, Luigi no longer beats Mario in the favorite Mario character polls, so X>Mario it is.

I'm relatively confident in all of my picks except for everything in Division 1. My GOD.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/22/2008 4:51:26 PM | message detail

As a big MGS fan, Liquid has little chance of slipping past Bowser.

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Lopen | Posted 8/22/2008 4:52:08 PM | message detail

One thing the favorite Mario character polls should tell you though is that the Mario fanbase is fickle. Mario was on top, last time... doesn't mean he'll be on top again if you hold that poll tomorrow.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/22/2008 4:53:38 PM | message detail

I'm giving MMX the benefit of the doubt and assume he'd beat MM. Also, right now in my bracket, every time MMX faces Mario, there are two other Nintendo characters...

R2: Zelda and Mudkip
R3: Luigi and Bowser

...until Link and Shadow come. There are only two Nintendo characters now, both are stronger than MMX, LoZ destroyed MMX in the Series Contest, Mario's the preferred platformer of the two (though that's true in the other matches too), and Mario's gotten some huge games lately so it'll be harder for Link to SFF/LFF him.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/22/2008 4:54:57 PM | message detail

Just saying, it's far more likely that Mario SFFs Bowser a ton while SFFing Luigi only somewhat. Not that I won't voting and supporting Luigi the whole time, screw my bracket.

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ZFS | Posted 8/22/2008 4:56:52 PM | message detail

Got no respect for Bowser, especially in a SFF match. The split votes between Luigi and Bowser - who had this problem with Mewtwo - gives Liquid a decent shot there; it helps that this should be by far his best year. It's an upset, to be sure, and not one that you want to take as a 'safe' pick, but you could do a lot worse. Helps (hurts) that there's some fanboyism at play !

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RPGuy96 | Posted 8/22/2008 4:57:22 PM | message detail

Shadow seems like the safe pick in division 1, but he was just so godawful last year it's hard to stick with him. If Zack is decent he can knock Shadow out in the second round (Wario gets smushed by Link even if he takes round 1), which makes round 3 even weirder, since there's six character that could realistically make it out of the lower half and into that match.
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