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Pyrostormer | Posted 8/22/2008 12:50:07 PM | message detail
There really isn't a "Europe vote" lolz

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Lopen | Posted 8/22/2008 12:51:03 PM | message detail
The problem here Wigs is I think you're underrating Donkey Kong a bit.

Yeah, DK was stronger than Marth, but there's still plenty of room there for DK > Marth > Ike. Ike might be as strong or stronger than Marth this year (I'm skeptical) but he definitely wasn't last year. And last year's Ike is who almost beat Duke.
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voltch | Posted 8/22/2008 12:58:42 PM | message detail
I'm sure there is,it would explain why Chrono Trigger characters keep bleeding all over the place if they lack some euro love.

it may not come in blocks but i know somewhere in those polls about 15% must come from europe.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/22/2008 1:00:55 PM | message detail
They ain't got balls of steel, boy. They're just afraid of the Duke because he ripped off their bracket's head and **** down its neck last year.

Hell yes.

No but seriously...Marth isn't that ****ing strong. Neither is Kefka or the Duke. All three of em are gonna job and Niko's gonna be able to take care of them decently enough. Marth will just get lucky and have enough to come in second
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Pyrostormer | Posted 8/22/2008 1:02:27 PM | message detail
Any reasoning for that masa

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voltch | Posted 8/22/2008 1:03:26 PM | message detail
ah screw liquid,his name is all over MGS4 but his face ain't,Luigi>Bowser!
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/22/2008 1:04:20 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'm sure Ike is stronger this year than last year, and I would say this year for sure Ike would beat Duke, now that not only Brawl, but FE10 has been out (unless that was out at that point....was it?) for a while. And Marth is still going to be comparable to Ike... so I do think Marth will beat Duke, but I don't think DK was SFFing him that much. Because I'm pretty sure DK wouldn't get his popularity from SSB. SSB is all Marth has right now. I mean, without another Nintendite there, Marth will get a good percentage of votes back, sure. And it will be enough to beat Duke, since Duke/Ike was close.

But it won't be enough to get by Niko I think. Niko's my wild card in this tournament.

Now, if you move that to the second round, when you have Lucario and Altair there... Lucario and Marth looks just like DK and Ike, Lucario I think might be close to DK...He's not a very recognizable as a Pokemon alone, since he's not RBY, but he'll get his share of Brawl votes.

Compare him to Marth, Lucario will get a Pokemon vote, and a Brawl vote... while Marth with just the Brawl vote... since Lucario's votes will probably me moreso Brawl than Pokemon, so they'll SFF on SSB votes, leaving Lucario pure Pokevotes to help him out. And that's not gonna be enough to get him by Niko and Altair.



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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/22/2008 1:06:21 PM | message detail
Any reasoning for that masa

Yeah it's called the Duke overperformed a little last year, Kefka barely has enough strength to beat anything, Niko should be a decent bit above the fodder line cause he's not black and he's much more interesting than Vercetti, and Marth should have enough Brawl fans to vote him to get in second. It's not that hard.
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Pyrostormer | Posted 8/22/2008 1:06:36 PM | message detail
Wigs, I was up with you the entire post until the last two words.

Niko > Lucario for r2 seems...meh, I like it more then Niko > Altair. I see Altair as a Low Lowcarder at best, hanging right above the fodder line. His game sold well but nobody really liked it, and from what I've heard, Altair has as much character as Link or Mario (though they're allowed to have no character, Altair isn't :P)

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 1:10:16 PM | message detail
if you dont have Lucario advancing in round 2, i dont know what to say to you.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/22/2008 1:11:41 PM | message detail
Right, well, I see Lucario being able to get in there... I'm just kind of picturing Marth and Lucario clashing too much, and Lucario only getting a small bonus because of Pokevotes.


I mean, we also can't really know how strong Altair is, so I'm taking a shot and saying he'll be more powerful than those extra "Pokemon only" votes Lucario will get.


Also maybe Altair will get a really badass picture or something, I dunno.

THough maybe Niko will do something weird to Altair >_>
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XIII_rocks | Posted 8/22/2008 1:12:53 PM | message detail
I'm quite happy with my bracket good or bad, but the only enigma is L-Block.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/22/2008 1:14:25 PM | message detail
^ Agreed
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 1:16:29 PM | message detail
why would Altair's game be bigger than anything Lucario's been in?

and as you can see in Marth/DK, they barely split votes.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 8/22/2008 1:18:38 PM | message detail
Right now I have the block going to the quarters, losing to Smaus and Vincent. A bit of a "=\" scenario though.

Link > Cloud in the final with Snake and Mario third/fourth. I nearly went for a Vincent upset in semifinal one, which is Samus, Mario, Link and Vince, because of all the Nintendo SFF, but I figure that'll just make Marink strongr because of Samus being such a leech.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/22/2008 1:20:12 PM | message detail
I wouldn't expect Marth/DK to split votes though, because their votes come from different places. Marth from SSB and DK from elsewhere. I'd day like 90% of Marth's votes are SSB. DK gets maybe 75-80% from DKC/etc.


With Lucario, I'd say he gets more votes from SSB still. Maybe 65-70% of his votes are SSB and 30-35% are Pokemon, so Marth and Lucario are much more likely to split votes than Marth and DK.



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XIII_rocks | Posted 8/22/2008 1:20:42 PM | message detail
Just wandering what everybody thought of Megaman X actually. I have him going quite far, since he's Megaman, but...
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 1:20:45 PM | message detail
you know, in that 8 pack with Alucard and those guys, we could potentially get an all out Ike/Diddy or Falcon/Pikachu showdown..

god is that part hard.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/22/2008 1:22:02 PM | message detail
And yeah, agreed about L-Block, but I got him out in ROund 1. Ryu and Meta Knight are stronger than Nathan Hale and Laharl. >_>

L-Block needed momentum to do what it did, and it capitialized off only 1 strong character in his 4pack last year. This year he has 2.



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XIII_rocks | Posted 8/22/2008 1:24:18 PM | message detail
If word gets out about L-Block it'll hit the ground running. He doesn't have to start slowly. I certainly think the L-Block we see in the first round here will be stronger than at the corresponding stage last year, anyway.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 1:24:45 PM | message detail
wiggum i'm still not sure how you can say it gives Altair the win. he'd need serious strength to pull that off.

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Pikachu_vs_Dante_vs_Leon_vs_Amaterasu_2007

i guess i could see him being comparable to.. Amaterasu maybe? yeah, i think if you put Lucario and Marth in that match they'd likely both place over him... or at least Lucario.
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linkhatesganon | Posted 8/22/2008 1:27:53 PM | message detail
Actually yes there's an europe vote. Why do you think Kefka job so hard and Sonic do so well during day vote? Bingo!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 1:28:32 PM | message detail
you know it's quite possible Riku could take advantage of Dante and Leon splitting.
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steve illumina | Posted 8/22/2008 1:39:15 PM | message detail
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Lopen | Posted 8/22/2008 1:41:36 PM | message detail
Hey Steven you gonna stop analyzing after you get one big match wrong again this year?

(Because no, seriously, that'd suck I enjoy your analyses. Though yes that was a jab.)
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Tohoya | Posted 8/22/2008 1:42:39 PM | message detail
Regardless, Marth is probably stronger than Ike, since he's been around longer, and maybe I'm wrong here, but I have Niko > Marth.... so, that means with Lucario and Altair in the other match, Luc and Marth SFF each other, Niko and Altair advance.

No way. Altair is going to be fodder, and Lucario will have considerable strength based on his Pokemon appearances alone. Frankly, I take Lucario > Altair pre-brawl in any case. Marth will sap some of his SSBB strength, but Lucario's got enough of an independent fanbase to get through this match behind Niko/Kefka.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/22/2008 1:47:27 PM | message detail
Lopen | Posted 8/22/2008 4:41:36 PM (#275)

Hey Steven you gonna stop analyzing after you get one big match wrong again this year?



One can only hope.

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Tohoya | Posted 8/22/2008 1:53:28 PM | message detail
Right, well, I see Lucario being able to get in there... I'm just kind of picturing Marth and Lucario clashing too much, and Lucario only getting a small bonus because of Pokevotes.

Lucario's pretty easily the most popular 4th gen pokemon, which, if you've not been payign attention to sales threads or top FAQ threads, is pretty popular.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/22/2008 1:58:13 PM | message detail
Holy crud, it's steve illumina!
jonthomson | Posted 8/22/2008 2:03:18 PM | message detail
Holy crud, it's steve illumina!

+1, welcome back
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voltch | Posted 8/22/2008 2:05:27 PM | message detail
now we know we're in contest mode,where's creative though?
Solar's been sighted,but no sign of slow,so no BoP i guess but one thing i'm looking forward to is seeing Lopen's crazy bracket of madness,he'll spend most of the contest at the foot of the guru's and then just surge right up when one his big upsets pays off massive dividends.
always entertaining.
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satai_delenn | Posted 8/22/2008 2:09:17 PM | message detail
Whoa, steve illumina.

Anyone think that Vincent/Crono will be different this time with Samus/Ryu instead of Link/Zero?

Yes, for multiple reasons. As someone else pointed out, Link and Zero should overlap a little more with Crono's fanbase than Samus/Ryu; it's also the case that any poll with Link in it is going to leave the others scrambling for the scraps, and Vincent came out on top of that but it wasn't easy for him. In this case the votes will be more evenly spread, and I think between that and maybe some hype from CTDS, Crono can pull it off.

Crono's revenge, book it...!
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Lopen | Posted 8/22/2008 2:11:55 PM | message detail
*bows*

Voltch you've always been a man of superior taste.

... though with these four way brackets my "insanity" is kinda drowned out by the overall insanity of the bracket. Quite a shame. Doin my best, though.

(AND I THRIVE, 2ND PLACE GURU LAST YEAR BELIEVE. </shameless self promotion>)
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/22/2008 2:16:08 PM | message detail
Dammit Altair will get a kickass picture I swear

Plus if he gets to the sprite round, they can u-...... oh god

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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 8/22/2008 2:16:45 PM | message detail
That reminds me. I'm pretty disappointed that the scoring system wasn't adjusted from last year. Still annoyed how all of the Cloud>Link brackets did so well.
Lopen | Posted 8/22/2008 2:18:03 PM | message detail
Hey, bud, I had Link > Master Chief. The real man's upset.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/22/2008 2:18:25 PM | message detail
Anyone that thinks that Marth is stronger than Ike needs to realize that Ike almost did as well as Marth last year pre-Brawl.

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transients | Posted 8/22/2008 2:18:34 PM | message detail
awwww yeah let's do some more "fanbabies" and dedicating contest matches to our children

ain't nothin' like illumina, man
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Lopen | Posted 8/22/2008 2:21:30 PM | message detail
Ike almost did as well as Marth last year pre-Brawl.

Based on what? There's no good way to compare their matches.

I'd consider Marth's match much tougher than Ike's last year, especially considering Kong SFFing him.

I think I take Ike this year, but really, there's nothing concrete to compare them on last year.
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voltch | Posted 8/22/2008 2:22:42 PM | message detail
so huh who's been used more between Ike and Marth on Brawl?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/22/2008 2:23:42 PM | message detail
There's no good way to compare their matches, but you can still make an assumption based on the matches.

I mean, just use common sense. Ike is more popular in Brawl and has two FE games to draw from. Marth only has Melee over Ike, and almost everyone who got Melee got Brawl too.

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HaRRicH | Posted 8/22/2008 2:24:49 PM | message detail
Excuse me? Marth smoked Ike last year. An SFF'd/LFF'd Marth still looked better to me than the Ike that lost to Duke and Gordon fighting over PC-FPS fans. This year will be largely different from that, but last year Ike was nothing.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/22/2008 2:24:53 PM | message detail
so huh who's been used more between Ike and Marth on Brawl?

Marth is much more popular among the competitive crowd, but Ike is the casual favorite and almost the 'Captain Falcon' of Brawl (considering CF himself is so terrible even casuals are starting to drop him).

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therealmnm | Posted 8/22/2008 2:26:16 PM | message detail
return of the fanbabies
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Lopen | Posted 8/22/2008 2:26:40 PM | message detail
Well, sure... but I think Ike would've nabbed a mere 15%-16% or so in Marth's match last year. Give me Marth to dominate Ike's pack with ease. I wouldn't say they were about equal last year.

This year of course is a different story with Ike in Brawl and being very popular with his truckblade swinging antics.
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/22/2008 2:29:06 PM | message detail
If third round is Sprite round again, does Frog beat Ganondorf?
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/22/2008 2:29:47 PM | message detail
Also, Marth >>>>>> Ike last year, and > Ike this year.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 8/22/2008 2:49:49 PM | message detail
I don't get why The Dog will suck votes from L-Block, since nobody actually likes him. He's a dick. The Dog is the Tingle of joke characters, except even Tingle has Zelda votes which probably explains why he gets more than 0 votes.

If anyone has the potential to do worse than Tanner, it's The Dog. Who the hell will vote for this bastard?
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/22/2008 2:53:03 PM | message detail
Finally Mega 64 and I agree on something ^_^
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/22/2008 2:54:48 PM | message detail
kami you said something about common sense but common sense would tell you that a character already established in smash > an FE game and an appearance on a site.

yes, not every smash fan visits that site.
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