GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 555
| Lopen | Posted 8/19/2008 10:39:22 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, I don't know about that MM9. I guess we'll need to see when it comes out, though. It could
be the biggest release for Mega Man since the dawn of the contest...
which might give him quite a boost. Thing is, I haven't heard much of
it, yet. We'll see when it comes out. ... when does it come out? ... September 2008? Huhhh. Yeah, I'm skeptical, but we'll see. I'd still easily take Mega Man over Crono because this easily beats out a DS Remake. Sonic is iffy, though. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/19/2008 10:46:25 AM | message detail |
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And in the other poll, Link. You heard of him right, the King of
SFF. Are you going to tell me that you don't think Crono was crushed by
Link SFF? Crono vs. Link in 2k4 was Crono's best performance ever. I'd see Link having at least as much overlap with Vincent as with Crono, given the close release dates and prominence of OoT and FFVII. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. Brawl FC: 4253-3155-6697 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/19/2008 10:59:09 AM | message detail |
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201956 nominations have been cast so far. In a previous topic I said
that I hoped they would be closed when it hit 200000, and someone said
there was no way it would reach 200000 before it closed. >_> --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| swirIdude | Posted 8/19/2008 11:05:44 AM | message detail |
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I knew it would reach 200,000. Nominations stay open way too late this day and age. --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 NOMINATE KNUCKLES THE ECHIDNA! |
| Malakuko | Posted 8/19/2008 11:06:25 AM | message detail |
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dammit Nana accounts for .001% of the total nominations (Nominate Nana) --- http://img.imgcake.com//christ2.gif http://img.imgcake.com//dannynoriegaanimated.gif Mer I'm so important |
| Lopen | Posted 8/19/2008 11:07:51 AM | message detail |
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You know, I get the Nana thing even less than the Surveillance Camera. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 8/19/2008 11:11:09 AM | message detail |
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Next year I'm gonna rally for Master Hand to make a return. --- i got nuthin |
| Majin Lou | Posted 8/19/2008 11:13:33 AM | message detail |
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Hopefully the nominations close soon (like today) and the bracket is released. --- Warning: Character Battle VI contains Explicit Content. Now pain, nothing but pain! ROSE OF PAIN! |
| Big Bob | Posted 8/19/2008 12:20:07 PM | message detail |
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With all this talk of GlaDOS and Heavy, is there any chance that Gordon
Freeman could turn out to be a decent midcarder this year? >_> --- Someone's trying to kill me! I hate it when people do that. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/19/2008 12:35:26 PM | message detail |
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As already mentioned, Crono held up fine to Link in 2004 one-on-one. It
should be noted that the four-way style is different and Crono did have
his two biggest fanbases (SNES and Square) in competition, but Crono
stood up to Link and beat Vincent in previous years...so unless you
think Zero SFF'd Crono or feel Crono's fans are less hardcore than Link
(reasonable), Vincent (debatable), and Zero (longshot), it was legit
and still nothing short of very impressive for Vincent. Vincent may not
win in a one-on-one match, but you can't take away from Vincent what he
did... ...and Squall did very well against Sonic in the third round, you're right. However, in the next round, Squall still failed to beat Sonic despite both Sora being gone and Solid competing with Sonic for SSBB-hype. It's also worth noting that every Sonic character generally fell below expectations this year...which is probably due to the format, though that's not proven. Squall not being able to outdo Sonic in this situation says as much to me as Squall almost beating Sonic the round before. We should note that L-Block was in this match and so it makes it even more difficult to judge properly, but things suddenly don't look so cut and dry for Squall looking more impressive than Vincent. You may have pointed out Sonic/Crono was close, but Vincent beat Crono like Sonic did while Squall hasn't beaten Sonic yet...and Vincent beat Squall head-to-head before. There's no doubt Vincent/Squall are still close and they've both had new stuff since 2k5 to have them change in strength...but we've often argued over which one would get the bigger boost, and I don't think comparisons of their matches give Squall an advantage. I'll take Vincent > Squall in a rematch until further notice. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| _Yonex_ | Posted 8/19/2008 12:41:42 PM | message detail |
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When the bracket comes up, if you submit your bracket first and get the
first match correct, does that mean you top the leaderboard or is it
random? --- Nominate Brock from the Pokemon Series for Character Battle VII, or Onix will use Bind on you forever. |
| TRE Public Account | Posted 8/19/2008 12:43:10 PM | message detail |
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If you multiple people have the same score, the person who entered their bracket first appears higher on the Top 50. --- Nominate Presea Combatir for the GameFAQs Character Contest! http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/nominate_entry.html |
| Lopen | Posted 8/19/2008 12:48:21 PM | message detail |
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It's debatable how well Crono "held up" against Link. One has to remember that: 1. There is a decent reason for Mario/Link SFF. 2. Crono did worse than Mario did against him 1v1. 3. Crono BEAT Mario that year. Honestly, Mario being a beast in 2005 might not have been all Mario increasing... rather being held behind a Crono who dropped the next year who was SFFed by Link. Numbers say that "there is no SFF between Mario/Link" but I honestly just don't believe that. Mario BEAT Cloud in 2002. Sephiroth ended up higher than Cloud in the stats. Yeah, sure, partially SMS factor but... still. I don't think that's all of it and I think these retroactive adjustments have been underrating the NN as a whole (or perhaps overrating Clinkeroth) I'd really like to see Cloud/Link/Sephiroth in the main bracket again. Something tells me they're not quite as above and beyond everyone as we think anymore. Yes, I know 2005 had the ToC which made them look pretty nice... however there are reasons why they might overperform in that. Perhaps people were fiending for seeing them since they were absent from the main bracket? Really, that's the only good read we've had on them since then... and it was only one match for Cloud, two for Link. Certainly, they've no reason to drop... but considering they haven't been in honest to goodness 1v1 matches until 2004, they certainly could. Yeah, time to mock me. I'll just stand over here now. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/19/2008 1:49:57 PM | message detail |
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1. There is a decent reason for Mario/Link SFF. Agreed about the logic, though it's worth noting Link arguably didn't SFF Samus in 2003 OR last year much. Between seeing Mario/Samus in 2005 and the Battle Royale in 2006, there's reason to believe Mario should hold up better against Link one-on-one than Samus. That's also logical as well as supported by our contest information outside of Samus >= Mario against Link in 2003/2002...and they were very close together. 2. Crono did worse than Mario did against him 1v1. Link in 2004 is not the same Link we saw in 2002. Numbers say that "there is no SFF between Mario/Link" but I honestly just don't believe that. Mario BEAT Cloud in 2002. Sephiroth ended up higher than Cloud in the stats. Yeah, sure, partially SMS factor but... still. I don't think that's all of it A lot of people think Sephiroth over-performed rather than Mario being SFF'd, which could line up your complaint about Seph > Cloud. I'm also not sure if you're giving SMS's hype, PGC's influence, and/or KH's impression on GameFAQs enough credit. Something tells me [Clinkeroth's] not quite as above and beyond everyone as we think anymore. Yes, I know 2005 had the ToC which made them look pretty nice... however there are reasons why they might overperform in that. Perhaps people were fiending for seeing them since they were absent from the main bracket? Really, that's the only good read we've had on them since then... and it was only one match for Cloud, two for Link. Certainly, they've no reason to drop... but considering they haven't been in honest to goodness 1v1 matches until 2004, they certainly could. Doubt the ToC if you insist, but even after Mario went on a rampage, gathered a following that thought he could beat Sephiroth, and saw how Seph did against Bowser earlier that year...Sephiroth still very cleanly beat Mario. In fact, I believe Bowser won more updates against Sephiroth than Mario. Cloud then went on to do better against Link than Seph, though Link cleanly beat them both too. That's a statement, and that's before KH2, FF7's spin-offs and movie (in America), LoZ:TP, or SSBB came out. In the Battle Royale, we also saw Link and Cloud dominate five days in a row despite Sephiroth, Mario, and Samus...and Sephiroth was very close to taking third place in all of his polls despite Cloud. Throw in last year that Link and Cloud clearly dominated Solid in the championship and should have been the site's top two characters (damn you L) while Sephiroth only lost early due to meeting Cloud earlier, and I'd have to disagree heavily that Clinkeroth isn't clearly ahead of the rest... ...now, I would give you that this will be a good year for other NN'ers to catch up to Cloud/Seph; Mario and Solid have good reasons to boost a lot, Samus has two forms of her in SSBB and MP3 has probably sold much more now than it did contest-time last year, CTDS and MM9 should bring some limelight to Crono/Mega, and Sonic's various more-hyped titles will compliment his SSBB-appearance. Still, between the good distance between Seph and Mario/Solid and that there was at least a PSP-game afew months ago that can only help Cloud/Seph, there's no doubt in my mind there's still a gap plenty big enough between Clinkeroth and the rest; the best case scenario is for Solid to get optimal placement against Sephiroth a la BR-2006... ...and even between all that, very few characters are actually going to gain ground on Link, the head of Clinkeroth, including Cloud/Seph. Put them back in a normal one-on-one bracket, and you'll see them beat most established characters as bad as ever. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/19/2008 2:00:34 PM | message detail |
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...and Squall did very well against Sonic in the third round, you're
right. However, in the next round, Squall still failed to beat Sonic
despite both Sora being gone and Solid competing with Sonic for
SSBB-hype. It's also worth noting that every Sonic character generally
fell below expectations this year...which is probably due to the
format, though that's not proven. Squall not being able to outdo Sonic
in this situation says as much to me as Squall almost beating Sonic the
round before. We should note that L-Block was in this match and so it
makes it even more difficult to judge properly, but things suddenly
don't look so cut and dry for Squall looking more impressive than
Vincent. You may have pointed out Sonic/Crono was close, but Vincent
beat Crono like Sonic did while Squall hasn't beaten Sonic yet...and
Vincent beat Squall head-to-head before. Yes I know I was arguing about this with Leonhart as well a couple of days ago, my view is that Snake has a lot more fans in common with Squall than he does with Sonic. There are plenty cases of MGS/FF SFF, and I myself am a firm believer. And just because Squall can stand up perfectly to Snake (as he proved in, 2k6 was it?), doesn't mean they don't leech off each other when you throw another 2 characters in the mix. --- Nominate Red XIII for Character Battle VII! http://uk.geocities.com/blissful_absolution/assignment4/images/redxiiiimage.jpg |
| red sox 777 | Posted 8/19/2008 2:31:15 PM | message detail |
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Crono holding up well against Link doesn't mean there isn't a large
overlap there- just like Sephiroth holding up against Cloud in 2003
doesn't mean there isn't a large overlap there. Sephiroth has clearly
suffered massively from LFF with Cloud in 4-way polls, and Crono (and
Link) could easily have suffered some in their match. There are many
reasons for Crono to share fanbase with Link: they both had major games
on the SNES, they are both silent protagonists, they both wield swords
primarily, and they both travel through time. And remember, Crono
doesn't need a large majority of Link/Zero's votes to beat Vincent- he
needs less than 51%. In 4-way matches, independence of fanbase is more important than loyalty of fanbase. I am confident that Crono's fanbase is among the most loyal of the Noble Nine- it has to be, because the size of his fanbase is by far the smallest. I would guess that he would get over 50% of the shared fanbase against any of the other Noble Niners except for Clinkeroth, and even there, it would be close or even. Fanbase overlap thus tends to help CT in one-on-ones. But overlap is lethal in 4-ways, even with a very loyal fanbase. Crono's fanbase is not independent; CT fans tend to have played a lot of other games, and like a lot of other games. Close to 100% of Crono's fanbase probably also likes at least one of Link, Vincent, and Zero, and a majority probably are fans of at least 2. Even if his fanbase is extremely loyal, he can't expect to pull in high percentages of the shared fanbase when competing with multiple characters. What about Link? He has a section of his fanbase that is independent; they vote for Nintendo over everything, and therefore Link, the king of Nintendo, over everything. Vincent has a smaller independent fanbase, but there does exist a significant number of FFVII > anything voters on this site. Master Chief is a great example of the power of an independent fanbase in 4-ways. So CT's problem last year, I'd say, was that if someone is a CT fan, that person is probably also a fan of many other games. And while most Crono fans will vote for him over any given character, a random Crono fan is likely to prefer at least one of 3 other characters on the level of Link/Vincent/Zero to him. Or, in other words, Crono suffers LFF with many opponents. --- "Fate has no forgiveness for those who dare stand against it." ~Chrono Cross Game Over Screen |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/19/2008 3:41:07 PM | message detail |
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Ugh, the posts are starting to get too long. Mega Man >= Sonic > Crono this year, Crono >= Mega Man >= Sonic next year Nobody cares about Sonic games any more, and I'm willing to bet that his new games actually HURT him. Mega Man 9 is a true return to the series' roots, and even if it doesn't sell more than 100,000 copies, I have a feeling it will be enough to strengthen him enough to close the very narrow gap between him and Sonic. And when talking about Squall, you have to remember that A) Through extrapolation, even with possible Snake/Squall SFF, he still is pretty damn close to Vincent in the stats B) Their 1v1 match was very close and happened after Advent Children and before Kingdom Hearts 2 C) Last year Squall was in Sonic's face depite Sora, and then L-block/Snake sharing the polls. That speaks more to me than slightly beating a weak Crono that was sharing the poll with Link and another strong SNES character. It has nothing to do with "Chrono suffers LFF with many opponents", it has to do with him starting to lose strength from his one game, that shared a console with 2 people in that match, while his direct competition was EASILY the most independent of the 4 characters. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/19/2008 3:44:49 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44962116 /shameless plug Get on on the criticism! --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| nintendogirl1 | Posted 8/19/2008 3:47:38 PM | message detail |
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BT, no offence, but I need to be really blunt here. S S MOTHER****ING B. The biggest game to have hit the site, arguably since the site was created. Remember the Sonic in SSBM insanity on the internet? People care. You know why people are disappointed by Sonic's games being poor? Because they care. No-one really cares about Too Human being poor. But Sonic's games? That matters and you should really know that games =/= characters. And that's before mentioning that Sonic's new game looks to be good and that Rush and Rush Adventure were well received. --- Jeez. |
| Yesmar | Posted 8/19/2008 4:04:59 PM | message detail |
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Agreed about the logic, though it's worth noting Link arguably didn't SFF Samus in 2003 OR last year much. Samus held up fairly well this year, but I don't think the same could be said for 2003. She and Squall's performance in subsequent contests seems to indicate that she was SFF'd to a significant extent there. --- You need to meet someone at a garden, or a movie or something. Somewhere classy. Like a cooking recipe message board or something.--True Godhand/Curt |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/19/2008 4:20:39 PM | message detail |
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my view is that Snake has a lot more fans in common with Squall than
he does with Sonic. There are plenty cases of MGS/FF SFF, and I myself
am a firm believer. And just because Squall can stand up perfectly to
Snake (as he proved in, 2k6 was it?), doesn't mean they don't leech off
each other when you throw another 2 characters in the mix. 1) Do you feel like Solid Snake would have beaten L-Block if it wasn't for Squall? 2) Do you feel like Solid Snake has a larger overlap with Squall than Sora does? 3) Do you feel like Solid Snake hurt Sonic at all? redsox: well said, though I still have some quarrels with your argument about Crono. UNFORTUNATELY (grrrr.....), I just lost what I had typed. Essentially, I question Crono gets such loyalty against the site's pride and joy and/or a fan-favorite from FF7. His fanbase may be smaller than the rest of those in the NN, but CT's still been played by over two thirds of the site; I would think if Crono's fans are as loyal as you suggest, then he should have done much better in last year's contest in spite of his lack of independence. I picked Vincent last year partially for the reasons you pointed out, but I'm not convinced they were the right reasons since it proved head-to-head Vincent will still be competitive if not outright reasonably favored. Also, as a quick tongue-in-cheek way to show Crono's fans aren't all so loyal: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2762 Cloud has no more reason to be in that poll than Crono, and it looks like Cloud SFF'd Crono much more easily than you suggested. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/19/2008 6:00:12 PM | message detail |
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1) Do you feel like Solid Snake would have beaten L-Block if it wasn't for Squall? Err he might've, depending on who replaced him (if you just made it 3-way, then yeah, definitely). But he lost to Kirby a couple of rounds earlier, so I'm not sure we should be making any assumptions based on L-block. 2) Do you feel like Solid Snake has a larger overlap with Squall than Sora does? Of course not. Then again Snake has a lot more fans than Sora does, so the fact that he has less in common with Squall is somewhat compensated by the fact that he's just more popular. Also, whatever amount of SFF there is between Snake-Squall and Squall - Sora, you'd expect it to go to Snake in the first case, whereas you would expect it to go to Squall in the second case (not entirely, of course). So despite Snake having less in common with Squall than Sora does, I think he may hurt him on a similar scale. 3) Do you feel like Solid Snake hurt Sonic at all? Nothing like he hurt Squall, that's for sure. --- Nominate Red XIII for Character Battle VII! http://uk.geocities.com/blissful_absolution/assignment4/images/redxiiiimage.jpg |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/19/2008 6:09:18 PM | message detail |
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Also, Snake did beat L-block without Squall in the poll. But I'm not using that as an argument, considering it's .. L-block. --- Nominate Red XIII for Character Battle VII! http://uk.geocities.com/blissful_absolution/assignment4/images/redxiiiimage.jpg |
| yoshifan823 | Posted 8/19/2008 6:15:05 PM | message detail |
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Sure, the Rush games were well received, but I'm fairly sure they
didn't sell as well as your average Sonic game. Sonic seems to be a
console only kind of guy, even more so than any other character with
handheld games. Burnout from the mediocre Sonic Advance games, and all
the other SoniCrap that's been put out over the past few year. Dammit,
Sega, just follow Capcom and Namco's lead, and release a classic,
sidescrolling Sonic that doesn't suck, and see how much people love it. --- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Guru winnah Explicit Content, that's quis. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/19/2008 7:19:27 PM | message detail |
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So, while we're waiting on a contest...what happens in these four-ways? Luigi Kirby Ganondorf Fox McCloud Vivi Alucard Kratos Charizard Link Mario Samus Solid Snake --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/19/2008 7:33:20 PM | message detail |
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Ganondorf Luigi Alucard Vivi Link Solid Snake --- She may be your girl but that ass is mine! XBOX Live Gamertag: TriggerTRE |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/19/2008 7:35:11 PM | message detail |
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How do you check how many nominations have been submitted? --- She may be your girl but that ass is mine! XBOX Live Gamertag: TriggerTRE |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/19/2008 7:36:04 PM | message detail |
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you'd be crazy to not have Charizard at least second. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/19/2008 7:41:24 PM | message detail |
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Maybe. I'd still take Tidus/Vivi/Alucard over Pickachu 1-on-1. --- She may be your girl but that ass is mine! XBOX Live Gamertag: TriggerTRE |
| Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 8/19/2008 7:46:39 PM | message detail |
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The "haha Ulti is the only one that didn't quit the D2 fad already" topiX Screw you, Im still playing that <_< --- Warning, there is a bear right behind you. Ride Him. |
| Majin Lou | Posted 8/19/2008 7:46:49 PM | message detail |
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Kratos would win that four-way... --- Warning: Character Battle VI contains Explicit Content. Now pain, nothing but pain! ROSE OF PAIN! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/19/2008 7:48:45 PM | message detail |
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Maybe. I'd still take Tidus/Vivi/Alucard over Pickachu 1-on-1. .. and? this is a four-way poll, not a one on one. i'd take Pikachu over 90% of the people he beat last year. but he still BEAT THEM in four way polls. now you're talking about a Pokemon not only is nearly impossible to anti-vote, but now has Brawl appeal as well? --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/19/2008 7:49:34 PM | message detail |
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Kratos would win that four-way... don't be so sure. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| Majin Lou | Posted 8/19/2008 7:52:25 PM | message detail |
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Unless Charizard's a beast, I'm pretty sure Kratos has that. --- Warning: Character Battle VI contains Explicit Content. Now pain, nothing but pain! ROSE OF PAIN! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/19/2008 7:53:47 PM | message detail |
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looking at Mewtwo i'm confident he'd > Pikachu and he tossed aside both Dante and Leon. you could argue that they were too split but I wouldn't be too confident in Kratos so quickly even then. it's not like he did good against a split either (Kirby/DK). --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/19/2008 8:03:05 PM | message detail |
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L-Block was also in that match. Pikachu just had a lucky run. --- She may be your girl but that ass is mine! XBOX Live Gamertag: TriggerTRE |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/19/2008 8:04:53 PM | message detail |
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I change my mind. I'd take Kratos & Vivi in that 4-way. --- She may be your girl but that ass is mine! XBOX Live Gamertag: TriggerTRE |
| Lopen | Posted 8/19/2008 8:22:58 PM | message detail |
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Link in 2004 is not the same Link we saw in 2002. Herein lies my problem with everything. We seem to just be arbitrarily increasing Link based on expectations, when in reality we haven't had a solid read on him for years. Two matches (really basically one... Seph's fanbase is just a subset of Cloud's) is not a solid read. I'm sure people would also say that 2007 Link is not the same as 2004 Link. Based on what though... four way matches and a battle royal? I agree that it'd take a HUGE shift for any of the noble niners to be in striking distance of Clinkeroth... but really... three years combined with some voting shift... combined with Link being riddled with possible SFF matches in 2004 and arbitrarily "increased" to fit our expectations, basically entirely because Cloud choked against him. I mean, I pretty much agree with you... it's not looking likely that the NN can bridge the gap to Clinkeroth... but I think we're overestimating the gap between the two groups just a little. Maybe Cloud and Link are like mini Master Chiefs in multiple way polls... if that's the case we'll have NO IDEA. MAN. Though Kudos to you for even giving me the dignity of a response, HaRRicH, heh. I was speaking some blasphemy, there. I'm just saying, a good part of Clinkeroth's supposed unbeatability is speculation at this point. If Snake comes up against Link this year I'm halfway tempted and might... commit bracket suicide, so to speak. (Okay, probably not) --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| Lopen | Posted 8/19/2008 8:34:32 PM | message detail |
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As for the four ways: Kirby Luigi I still think Kirby's the type to hold up well in four way matches... he basically just got screwed by L-Block last year. Ganondorf, well, true to what I predicted, proved that he doesn't hold up as well as Luigi in them, for that matter. Easy pick for me. Kratos Vivi Although I'm not sold Kratos is as strong as some people in here claim, he should be able to handle this group with ease. Vivi takes second... don't really see debatables here. Solid Snake Link LFF. Believe. <_< (Okay maybe Link > Snake if I'm feeling a bit less crazy) --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| ZFS | Posted 8/19/2008 8:39:28 PM | message detail |
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If Snake comes up against Link this year I'm halfway tempted and might... commit bracket suicide, so to speak. haha i wish this could happen. too bad it can't, won't, and never will damn you zeldafaqs --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/19/2008 8:44:52 PM | message detail |
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BT, no offence, but I need to be really blunt here. S S MOTHER****ING B. The biggest game to have hit the site, arguably since the site was created. Remember the Sonic in SSBM insanity on the internet? Even after Sonic was announced, he still looked like crap. Maybe because everyone was expecting him to be in, or because of Sonic/Nintendo overlap, but he definitely didn't even have half the hype that Snake had. And now, 6 months later, nobody is playing Brawl. And the ones that still are, are the ones that played Melee religiously and would have voted for Sonic/Nintendo anyways. I can't wait for the contest to start, and all Nintendo characters looking the exact same they did in 2006. People care. You know why people are disappointed by Sonic's games being poor? Because they care. No-one really cares about Too Human being poor. But Sonic's games? That matters and you should really know that games =/= characters. Maybe after the first 2 poor 3-D Sonic games, but now it's pretty much accepted that any new Sonic game is going to suck. It's a dying franchise because it has completely stepped away from what made it great in the first place with stupid side-character, slower pacing and overly complicated, poorly written plots. Capcom realized this with Mega Man, which is why I think Mega Man 9 is going to be huge. Until Sega pulls their collective heads out of their asses, Sonic will continue to stagnate at best. And that's before mentioning that Sonic's new game looks to be good and that Rush and Rush Adventure were well received. That's what people said about EVERY SINGLE 3-D SONIC GAME BEFORE IT CAME OUT. Then the game comes out, and people realized they were tricked again by Sega into buying their crap games. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/19/2008 8:48:55 PM | message detail |
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Luigi Kirby Ganondorf Fox McCloud Ganondorf > Luigi It's all Nintendo, so this should be just pure strength. Before he got his unrecognizable sprite, Ganondorf was comfortably beating Luigi last year. And I've always figured Kirby was a tad bit overrated thanks to Bowser completely screwing up 2005 stats. Vivi Alucard Kratos Charizard Kratos > Charizard If Mewtwo can do as well as h e did, I can't see why Charizard can't. Vivi proved to us last year that 2k4 was a fluke, and FF9 has just been getting weaker as time goes on (rightfully so) Link Mario Samus Solid Snake Link > Snake, but it would be close --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| Xeybozn | Posted 8/19/2008 9:17:31 PM | message detail |
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Ganondorf > Luigi > Kirby > Fox Yeah... Charizard > Vivi > Kratos > Alucard These guys all seem pretty close, but I think being the only one not from a Playstation game should get Charizard the win. The rest are so close that I really have no confidence in my pick at all. Link > Snake > Mario > Samus Snake gets too much of his strength from Brawl to win, even with Link getting hurt more. Still, it should be fairly close, especially compared to most Link matches. |
| Lopen | Posted 8/19/2008 9:21:44 PM | message detail |
| I cannot for the life of me figure out why people
are picking Ganondorf to beat Luigi considering Luigi showed he was
above Ganon on the SFF pecking order last year. Guess people are
blaming bacondorf. Can't blame them. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| Midget_Fetish | Posted 8/19/2008 9:25:28 PM | message detail |
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Ganon = Luigi Kratos > Charizard Link > Mario --- The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know anything at all. |
| ZFS | Posted 8/19/2008 9:57:32 PM | message detail |
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Luigi > Ganondorf - I'd imagine Luigi and Kirby would hurt each other more than Ganondorf, which could put him in front here, but I'd play it safe after watching Luigi work last year. Kratos > Charizard - argh Pokemon in four-ways. Kratos shouldn't be held back by anyone here, and I ain't taking a Pokemon over someone as strong as Kratos. Link > Snake - Very tempting - but no. Snake should be an easy number four after MGS4, but I don't think Link is hurt enough here to let Snake sneak by, as unfortunate as that is. That said, if this were a real match, fanboyism might overcome the logical choice ! --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/19/2008 10:12:26 PM | message detail |
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Ganondorf Luigi Pretty straightforward. Ganondorf soundly beat Luigi when Mudkip was in the poll (whom I find more likely to hurt Luigi than Ganondorf), same principle applies to Kirby. Kratos Charizard Pokemon seem to do well in 4-way matches, and Charizard is the only non-PS character in the poll. Link Snake For me to consider Snake the poll would have to be more like Link Mario Luigi Samus Zelda Ganondorf Snake --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| Lopen | Posted 8/20/2008 12:42:03 AM | message detail |
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See, I always thought Ganondorf won in round 2 because the opponents
were weaker and Luigi had the more devoted fanbase, meaning that Luigi
would stand better against stronger opponents... not because Luigi was
SFFed harder than Ganondorf by Mudkip. Honestly. Ganondorf, the guy who looked worse than CATS against Link... doing better in a SFF situation? You've gotta be kidding me. That match would eat him alive. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/20/2008 1:05:34 AM | message detail |
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I just love your fanboy logic Black Turtle: And now, 6 months later, nobody is playing Brawl. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. EC > Me |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/20/2008 5:24:27 AM | message detail |
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I cannot for the life of me figure out why people are picking
Ganondorf to beat Luigi considering Luigi showed he was above Ganon on
the SFF pecking order last year. Guess people are blaming bacondorf.
Can't blame them. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2903 I just love your fanboy logic Black Turtle: I enjoyed the game thoroughly, but after the first month, it just got boring and new games came out to play. Like I said, the only people who still play Brawl are old Melee players that have no lives. Same argument goes for Twilight Princess, Grand Theft Auto 4 and even Mass Effect. Games nowadays don't seem to have the staying power they did 15 years ago. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
