GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 555
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/16/2008 8:01:58 PM | message detail |
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The "haha Ulti is the only one that didn't quit the D2 fad already" topiX ~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~ www.gamefaqscontests.com ~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/ ~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~ http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ http://thengamer.com/xstats http://thengamer.com/stats ~*Ulti and MMX's Contest Site (some offensive language)*~ http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/ ~*TRE's poll listing (every poll!)*~ http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Polls.html ~*aprosenf's poll script*~ http://web.mit.edu/adamrose/Public/allpolls.txt ~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~ A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA ~*All the match pics*~ http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php ~*Acronyms, Percentages For Dummies, and Odd Matches*~ http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm ~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~ SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them. X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process. rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it. For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything. ~*ST*~ --- MY BROTHERS WILL NOT HAVE DIED IN VAIN! Now Playing: Crisis Core, Final Fantasy 4 DS |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/16/2008 8:02:30 PM | message detail |
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The hell is D2 now? --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/16/2008 8:03:09 PM | message detail |
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Diablo 2 --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 8/16/2008 8:03:52 PM | message detail |
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Deckard Cain --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| Malakuko | Posted 8/18/2008 4:01:56 AM | message detail |
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I'm so sick of all these joke rallies trying to recreat L-Block --- http://img.imgcake.com//christ2.gif http://img.imgcake.com//dannynoriegaanimated.gif Mer Nominate Nana!!! |
| Random_Guy_42 | Posted 8/18/2008 4:10:09 AM | message detail |
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Coming from the Nana supporter lololol --- Don't hurt me |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 8/18/2008 6:33:09 AM | message detail |
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Surveillance Camera VS Angry Sun, go! --- i got nuthin |
| swirIdude | Posted 8/18/2008 7:41:43 AM | message detail |
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Are we going to end up with a Joke Division? --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 NOMINATE KNUCKLES THE ECHIDNA! |
| Ronk75 | Posted 8/18/2008 7:42:27 AM | message detail |
| bah |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 8/18/2008 7:49:27 AM | message detail |
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No, the joke characters are going to be spread out evenly, ruining good matches all over the bracket. >_> --- caps |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/18/2008 3:59:29 PM | message detail |
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Looks like I didn't miss much, other than the riveting discussion about the Surveillance Camera. Gimme bracket. --- CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma |
| Majin Lou | Posted 8/18/2008 4:01:55 PM | message detail |
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Indeed. Bracket plz kthx. --- Warning: Character Battle VI contains Explicit Content. Now pain, nothing but pain! ROSE OF PAIN! |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/18/2008 4:21:38 PM | message detail |
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Hmm... Would you take any of the current joke rallies over CATS 1-on-1? ...aside from Nana, for obvious reasons. ~*01010010 01001111 01000010*~ --- Xenosaga is way better then any crappy game you enjoy. http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3592/1182804410526mu7.jpg |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/18/2008 4:25:26 PM | message detail |
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I'd rather not think about it. Just makes you realize how socially awkward the majority of Board 8ers are. They're the people that will repeat a stupid joke ad nauseum just to recreate the hilarity of the first time the joke was said. That's the same situation with all these terrible rallies. Just let the joke die PLEASE. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| SFF_potential | Posted 8/18/2008 4:26:31 PM | message detail |
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probably none of them, except maybe angry sun --- http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3918/tenchi02lw1.jpg http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/55/tenchi01jt4.jpg Nominate Ark from Terranigma for the 2008 character battle |
| ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/18/2008 4:28:47 PM | message detail |
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I'd like to re-create the hilarity of Black Turtle calling other people
socially awkward over and over again because that's pretty damn funny
to me. --- Where there are RKOs, there will always be ExThaNemesis. Arsenal FC 1-0-0 Pts: 3 Pos: T-1st Goals: Nasri - 1, Hleb - 11 |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/18/2008 4:29:59 PM | message detail |
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So..here's the question... If Mario/Crono V happens on November 25th, do you have the guts to take Crono to make the series 3-2? ~*01010010 01001111 01000010*~ --- Xenosaga is way better then any crappy game you enjoy. http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3592/1182804410526mu7.jpg |
| ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/18/2008 4:31:21 PM | message detail |
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As someone that had the guts to take Mario all the way in 05, I have the guts to take C over him in that situation. --- Where there are RKOs, there will always be ExThaNemesis. Arsenal FC 1-0-0 Pts: 3 Pos: T-1st Goals: Nasri - 1, Hleb - 11 |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 8/18/2008 4:38:47 PM | message detail |
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Depends on how much hype CTDS gets before then. I'm not seeing much
talk about it other than from people who've already played CT, and the
FF DS remakes don't seem to be selling all that well here. Plus
handheld games don't hold a candle to console games here (as superior
as they may be). Plus Galaxy and Brawl and an already large gap between
the two... I'll take Mario. Maybe if it was on a console, I'd take Crono, but a DS remake won't be enough, even on launch day (if it even comes out then, since shipping dates don't necessarily mean the game comes out that day, especially when it comes to Nintendo games). --- i got nuthin |
| ZFS | Posted 8/18/2008 4:49:34 PM | message detail |
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If Mario/Crono V happens on November 25th, do you have the guts to take Crono to make the series 3-2? Ha. Not a chance. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/18/2008 4:56:11 PM | message detail |
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i'm still taking Mario. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/18/2008 5:59:48 PM | message detail |
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so what's goin on in dis topix --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| DomaDragoon | Posted 8/18/2008 6:04:48 PM | message detail |
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If Mario/Crono V happens on November 25th, do you have the guts to take Crono to make the series 3-2? Barring some miracle extra content in CTDS or an announcement of an all-new Chrono game, I take Mario to win easily. --- I was soundly thrashed by Explicit Content, our reigning Guru Champion. www.rpgdl.com - Because everybody loves violent arena battles, right? |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/18/2008 6:09:11 PM | message detail |
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There's too much of a gap there now for me to take Chrono. It certainly isn't outside the realm of possibility, but I wouldn't count on it. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/18/2008 6:11:16 PM | message detail |
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Crono's never touching Mario again unless A) Nintendo stops using Mario
in their games or B) Chrono Trigger gets a direct sequel and the game's
popularity rivals FF7. --- Gilgamesh (Final Fantasy V) is awesome. Nominate him for Character Battle 7! http://www.ffcompendium.com/chara/12rw-gilgamesh-a.jpg |
| red sox 777 | Posted 8/18/2008 6:22:54 PM | message detail |
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Yes, I don't think Mario is really all that far ahead of Crono right
now, and CT characters have always put up their most impressive matches
against fellow SNES characters. Mario Sunshine got Mario past Cloud,
and CTDS is bigger for Crono than SMS was for Mario. Crono has a
chance, as much of a chance as could have been reasonably given Mario
before the 2005 contest. And, if CT gets a sequel with Crono as the
protagonist with popularity rivaling FFVII (not that this will happen),
Mario won't be the one trying to hold off Crono. --- "Fate has no forgiveness for those who dare stand against it." ~Chrono Cross Game Over Screen |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/18/2008 10:08:56 PM | message detail |
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Yes, I don't think Mario is really all that far ahead of Crono right
now, and CT characters have always put up their most impressive matches
against fellow SNES characters. Crono/Zero? --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| Mario vs Crono | Posted 8/18/2008 10:14:48 PM | message detail |
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Mario vs Crono 5 would be awesome, but even if it was on November 25th I'm not sure if Crono has it in him to win again. --- 2005: Mario | 55739 | 53.85% | Crono | 47762 | 46.15% | lead of 7977 | 2004: Crono | 51430 | 53.24% | Mario | 45165 | 46.76% | lead of 6265 | |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/18/2008 10:38:24 PM | message detail |
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I'd still take Mario. Crono would make it closer...but it's like this:
remember Mario VS Cloud pre-KH? SMS's hype was much larger than CTDS's,
CTDS is still a port so there's not nearly as much need for hype about
it, no site the size of PGC back then will link to GameFAQs for Crono,
and Mario > Crono more in 2k5 than Cloud > Mario in 2k2 before
Mario started surging. Let's not forget what Mario's done since 2k5,
either: SMG, SSBB, and MKW came out in the past year alone. Throw in
what the Wii's done for the site in the past two years in comparison to
what the Gamecube ever did, and Mario's still going to toss Crono
around. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| Gaddswell | Posted 8/18/2008 11:05:35 PM | message detail |
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Give me Mario in that match. I'll take Samus and Snake over Crono too. --- Nominate Pikachu for the character battle! |
| KommunistKoala | Posted 8/18/2008 11:09:28 PM | message detail |
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I think the only real question with Crono to consider is: Is CTDS enough to have Crono stay on top of Vincent? Mario is unreachable for Crono to be honest. ~*Jumps Out Window*~ --- sometimes when i play tetris and nobody is home i make male genitals out of the blocks and pleasure myself~Alex Shelley |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/18/2008 11:11:12 PM | message detail |
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CTDS should be enough to keep Crono > Vincent...once it releases. Crono sure better hope he doesn't face Vincent in the next two months though. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| Xuxon | Posted 8/18/2008 11:13:00 PM | message detail |
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If CTDS was more of a remake like FF4, and faced Mario on the release
date, I would take Crono > Mario. As is, Mario takes it no problem. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/19, before Captain Crow Brawl FC: 0344-9611-6716 |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/19/2008 4:00:25 AM | message detail |
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Yeah despite the fact that Crono gets pretty much all his strength from
the original Chrono Trigger, I don't think the DS release is going to
do much for him. In fact, I think Chrono Trigger DS will quickly
alienate most new gamers. In fact, I recently played the original Chrono Trigger for the first time, and I couldn't play it for very long (admittedly, the medium wasn't perfect, but still). The only character I ended up liking was Frog. --- Nominate Red XIII for Character Battle VII! http://uk.geocities.com/blissful_absolution/assignment4/images/redxiiiimage.jpg |
| transience | Posted 8/19/2008 4:01:39 AM | message detail |
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there's a few guys between Crono and Mario, you know. you shouldn't be
debating Crono/Mario, you should be debating Crono/Sonic, Crono/Mega
Man, and Crono/Vincent. --- xyzzy nominate Tim from Braid -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CByBMKiiHtA awww yeah |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/19/2008 4:51:50 AM | message detail |
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I can't help but feel Squall is getting the short end of the stick in these conversations. Everyone talks about Vincent breaking the NN, but Squall is at the exact same level, if not a little higher. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| KommunistKoala | Posted 8/19/2008 4:53:36 AM | message detail |
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if not a little higher. lol so wrong. exact same level A little less wrong, but still pretty wrong. ~*Jumps Out Window*~ --- sometimes when i play tetris and nobody is home i make male genitals out of the blocks and pleasure myself~Alex Shelley |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/19/2008 5:13:29 AM | message detail |
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Yes I also believe Squall to be stronger than Vincent. Auron may be as well, and Tifa has a good shot too. --- Nominate Red XIII for Character Battle VII! http://uk.geocities.com/blissful_absolution/assignment4/images/redxiiiimage.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/19/2008 5:30:13 AM | message detail |
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I'm not really sure how you can say Squall isn't at least a little
below Vincent considering they were 1200 votes apart a few years ago,
and the gap hasn't really shown any indication of widening. Barring some miracle extra content in CTDS They've announced new dungeons (yes, plural) and an Arena mode, whatever that is. --- CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/19/2008 5:46:53 AM | message detail |
| ^ Exactly, and Squall's performance last year was
just amazing. I seriously don't see how one couldn't at least fathom
Squall being stronger than Vincent considering these matches : http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2918 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2914 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2558 Is it really so unthinkable that Kingdom Hearts II did more for Squall than Dirge of Cerberus did for Vincent? On this site? --- Nominate Red XIII for Character Battle VII! http://uk.geocities.com/blissful_absolution/assignment4/images/redxiiiimage.jpg |
| KommunistKoala | Posted 8/19/2008 5:53:39 AM | message detail |
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Wait...what does the last have to do with Squall being stronger than Vincent? And with 4-ways already being jokes, the polls you brought up for an argument are lolable. I honestly don't even know what your point is with the two poll seeing how they are nothing alike. Vincent was facing a much stiffer competition in his poll, with 2 of them being NN, while Squall faced...a very weak NN member, 1 decent character and 1 joke(compared to Squall and Sonic anyway) I mean I understand you're dumb especially with that sig, and that you're joking (or at least I hope so), but jeez >_> ~*Jumps Out Window*~ --- sometimes when i play tetris and nobody is home i make male genitals out of the blocks and pleasure myself~Alex Shelley |
| KommunistKoala | Posted 8/19/2008 5:54:48 AM | message detail |
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Besides, I doubt Squall would beat Crono in that poll anyway >_>. ~*Jumps Out Window*~ --- sometimes when i play tetris and nobody is home i make male genitals out of the blocks and pleasure myself~Alex Shelley |
| Malakuko | Posted 8/19/2008 6:16:02 AM | message detail |
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poor Crono. I bet he ****s it up this year and the Noble NIne officially dies. --- http://img.imgcake.com//christ2.gif http://img.imgcake.com//dannynoriegaanimated.gif Mer Nominate Nana!!! |
| nintendogirl1 | Posted 8/19/2008 6:25:25 AM | message detail |
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Nah, I reckon he ends up facing some fodder, a couple of mid-tier
characters and then gets someone from higher up the NN to put him out
respectfully. --- Just to annoy the haters. |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/19/2008 6:53:08 AM | message detail |
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Wait...what does the last have to do with Squall being stronger than Vincent? And with 4-ways already being jokes, the polls you brought up for an argument are lolable. I honestly don't even know what your point is with the two poll seeing how they are nothing alike. Vincent was facing a much stiffer competition in his poll, with 2 of them being NN, while Squall faced...a very weak NN member, 1 decent character and 1 joke(compared to Squall and Sonic anyway) I mean I understand you're dumb especially with that sig, and that you're joking (or at least I hope so), but jeez >_> ~*Jumps Out Window*~ Wow, I can't believe you took a jab at my intelligence considering this very post, I'll try to restrain myself from sinking to that level. The last poll, though I'll admit it didn't need to be said, was just to show that Sonic is around Crono's level. The argument, obviously, was in the first 2 polls. It's not about what percentage Squall and Vincent got (no one will deny that Vincent's opposition was, as a whole, tougher), it's about how they relate respectively to Sonic and Crono. I didn't think it was necessary to add this to my post, apparently I overrated the average "Contest Stats and Discussion" visitor. Then again I may be wrong in thinking you're around the average. Squall almost performed as well on Sonic as Vincent did on Crono, with freaking Sora in the poll. You're going to tell me Sora didn't hold Squall down? Absolutely no SFF between these two? --- Nominate Red XIII for Character Battle VII! http://uk.geocities.com/blissful_absolution/assignment4/images/redxiiiimage.jpg |
| Malakuko | Posted 8/19/2008 6:58:41 AM | message detail |
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oh my god the bracket needs to come right now --- http://img.imgcake.com//christ2.gif http://img.imgcake.com//dannynoriegaanimated.gif Mer Nominate Nana!!! |
| nintendogirl1 | Posted 8/19/2008 8:10:14 AM | message detail |
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Squall almost performed as well on Sonic as Vincent did on Crono,
with freaking Sora in the poll. You're going to tell me Sora didn't
hold Squall down? Absolutely no SFF between these two? And in the other poll, Link. You heard of him right, the King of SFF. Are you going to tell me that you don't think Crono was crushed by Link SFF? --- Really now. |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/19/2008 8:20:32 AM | message detail |
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And in the other poll, Link. You heard of him right, the King of
SFF. Are you going to tell me that you don't think Crono was crushed by
Link SFF? You do realise that if Link did crush Crono with SFF, that's a massive argument towards Squall being stronger than Vincent, right? However, I don't see any special relation between Link and Crono so I don't think Link SFF'd him much, if at all. --- Nominate Red XIII for Character Battle VII! http://uk.geocities.com/blissful_absolution/assignment4/images/redxiiiimage.jpg |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 8/19/2008 8:21:10 AM | message detail |
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T-Block VS Square-Block? But seriously, I'm interested in how Mega Man, Sonic, and Crono are gonna compare to each other. I still think despite their boosts they'll still not be within range of Snake and Samus, but between MM9, CTDS, and Brawl, they all have reason to boost. So rank Mega Man, Sonic, and Crono I guess. I'll go Mega Man > Sonic > Crono myself. Sonic's already planted in Nintendo ground so he won't get the same type of boost that Sony-oriented Snake got incorporating himself into the high-profile Nintendo game. And as I've argued in the CT thread, I think MM9's bigger level of hype and availability on all three consoles will give him a much bigger boost than a handheld remake, especially since the FF remakes don't sell all that well and don't get much hype even on GameFAQs. Thus I think Mega Man will get a bigger boost than Crono, especially for this contest unless CTDS hype gets insane in the next couple months. I really want to see how Vincent and Squall compare this contest. If I had to choose, I might lean toward Squall being stronger just because of his matches with Sonic last year, but who knows? --- i got nuthin |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/19/2008 8:35:11 AM | message detail |
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Yeah with Snake already being a lot stronger and having by far the
biggest reason to boost, I'd say indeed that he's way out of Sonic,
Mega Man or Crono's league. Between these guys, I'm going to have to go Sonic > MM > Crono. I don't know about Mega Man 9, I mean it's a pretty low-profile release for the general gaming audience. That may not include these message boards, but that definitely includes the contest voters. And as far as the plus from availability on all consoles goes, the Wii board has some activity, but the PS3 and Xbox boards are dead. I would definitely say Chrono Trigger DS will do a lot more for Crono, but I don't think we'll be seeing that this year. The hype is pretty low. Next year I might take Crono to beat Mega Man again. Meanwhile Sonic is still in all sorts of games and I do think we've yet to see a good part of the Brawl boost. With the 3 of them being so close as it is, I don't see why Sonic would now lose to any. --- Nominate Red XIII for Character Battle VII! http://uk.geocities.com/blissful_absolution/assignment4/images/redxiiiimage.jpg |
