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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 554

LeonhartFour | Posted 8/13/2008 11:30:45 PM | message detail
Ahh, I remember that good ol' SSBM/MGS2 Deathmatch.

Now THAT was a blowout...
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
Guess how many teens | Posted 8/14/2008 12:56:23 AM | message detail
This discussion has probably been done like a million times but I don't read these topics in off-seasons <_<.

If it is a 1V1 contest, where would you place L-BlocK? I would say he'd be around Ryu's level, but have no idea how to measure him in 1v1.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2008 1:02:50 AM | message detail
L-Block won't beat anyone with a fanbase. Period.

Look at the first match, where it was basically the block vs. Kirby and two scrubs. It got stomped. The block takes advantage of strong characters basically hurting each other because it seems to have a rather unfazed fanbase. It will benefit when stronger characters are grouped together. L-Block may be able to manage 35-40% against a solid midcarder one-on-one, but no more.
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
transience | Posted 8/14/2008 1:04:00 AM | message detail
comparing round 1 L-Block to round 6 L-Block seems like a pretty huge mistake to me.
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xyzzy
nominate Tim from Braid -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CByBMKiiHtA awww yeah
nintendogirl1 | Posted 8/14/2008 1:04:59 AM | message detail
But which are we going to see? Will the internet train get rolling in time for the start of the contest?
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I doubt fully.
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2008 1:07:00 AM | message detail
L-Block managed 30-35% in basically every match it was in. It developed a strong board vote later on, sure, but it basically benefited from a contingent that was determined to vote it over anything, which is impressive to be sure. Nevertheless, it won't be enough one-on-one.

Besides, it doesn't matter when it is, the block can't manage 50% against a character with a decent fanbase. It is a format creation, nothing more.
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
nintendogirl1 | Posted 8/14/2008 1:09:52 AM | message detail
You know what I just realized. I want to see L-Block vs Pacman just for the awesome.
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And it would be awesome.
transience | Posted 8/14/2008 1:12:29 AM | message detail
you say that rather confidently, as if anyone has any idea what the Block would be like straight-up. no one knows.
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xyzzy
nominate Tim from Braid -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CByBMKiiHtA awww yeah
ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/14/2008 1:24:33 AM | message detail
I'm pretty inclined to go with what Leon's saying, as I've been saying it too. Would you really feel confident taking the L-Block one on one against say... Dante? How about Yoshi? DK?

Anyone with a fanbase is going to beat him. I think a really interesting first round match would be say.... L-Block vs. Magus.

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/14/2008 1:37:01 AM | message detail
I would love to see "lol how far can you fall" Magus take down last year's champion.

And Mario VS Snake seems like the new Mario VS Samus to me, you can make a lot of good points why Snake has a chance, but it's freaking Mario.


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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2008 7:11:24 AM | message detail
And Mario CAN lose, you know. If Crono can beat him, I'm pretty sure Snake can.

And for all of this talk of L-Block being an "unknown," I can't see 50% of the site rallying around him to beat someone like Ryu.
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/14/2008 7:35:15 AM | message detail
without internet fadding of course, where would one put l-block in the rankings in 1vs1?
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jonthomson | Posted 8/14/2008 7:42:59 AM | message detail
without internet fadding of course, where would one put l-block in the rankings in 1vs1?

i think the first match is an accurate enough pointer. so wherever putting up 40% on kirby would put it.

of course, we cannot possibly use that now after the win
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jonthomson | Posted 8/14/2008 7:44:35 AM | message detail
so, thinking about it, probably somewhere in the ness/falcon bracket. maybe slightly below. beating other joke characters and flavour of the month rpg entrants
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/14/2008 9:33:30 AM | message detail
Assuming no deletions and everyone filling out all 15 slots, about 11762 people have participated in nominating.

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Lopen | Posted 8/14/2008 10:50:04 AM | message detail
I'd actually love to see L-Block come back assuming it's 1v1. Methinks his functional strength would be well below 40% on Kirby, though he'd look that good or better unless put against opponents around the level of 40% on Kirby, who he'd only pull like 45% against.

I'm thinking the L-Block fodder line is probably about right, 1v1... but it's by no means a definite, so it'd be interesting to see.
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jonthomson | Posted 8/14/2008 10:51:21 AM | message detail
can anyone think of any win loops that we've had 1v1 since 2004 apart from crono > mm > sonic > crono, and mario > crono > mario? i have a real pretty graph that shows the entire contest picture since then, but i need to check for any more of these
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GhostOfAChance | Posted 8/14/2008 10:56:08 AM | message detail
What do you guys think Mega Man X's strength will be like? Similar to Mega Man>Mega Man X from the series contest? Solid midcarder, or something more?

In that same respect, hypothetically, if Mega Man.EXE were to get in, what would his strength be like? I get the impression that the Battle Network/Star Force series isn't all that well liked among the general population of gamefaqs.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/14/2008 10:57:09 AM | message detail
well X is at least stronger than Zero.. or equal; definitely not below. i'll say that much.
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Lopen | Posted 8/14/2008 10:58:49 AM | message detail
I get the feeling that Zero SFFs the crap out of MMX, but they'll be about equal otherwise.

(Just did some small checking for loops and couldn't find any... not sure they exist)
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/14/2008 11:28:07 AM | message detail

GhostOfAChance (#318)
What do you guys think Mega Man X's strength will be like? Similar to Mega Man>Mega Man X from the series contest? Solid midcarder, or something more?

In that same respect, hypothetically, if Mega Man.EXE were to get in, what would his strength be like? I get the impression that the Battle Network/Star Force series isn't all that well liked among the general population of gamefaqs.



I'd feel comfortable taking X over Mega Man.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3156

Also, X pic put MM within 3000 votes of beating Crono back when the guy was 55% on Vincent and nowhere near being considered the bottom of the NN.
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jonthomson | Posted 8/14/2008 11:36:42 AM | message detail
anyone thinking of taking x over mega man is bat**** insane imo
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Lopen | Posted 8/14/2008 1:19:21 PM | message detail
I agree. I meant MMX would be equal to Zero otherwise, for the record, not Mega Man. Hell I might put him a hair below Zero. Who uses MMX in the MMX games, really?
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MnMZero | Posted 8/14/2008 1:56:40 PM | message detail
I know right? The X games are all about Zero baby!
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 8/14/2008 2:08:37 PM | message detail
X may beat Megaman head to head. But otherwise Megaman pretty much has the advantage in all other matches. I mean most people see Megaman and think of X anyway
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2008 2:13:24 PM | message detail
X/Zero is like Tidus/Auron, yo! X might be able to beat Zero simply because he looks like the Blue Bomber and shares the same name.

Still, this almost feels like allowing Toon Link into the contest. I know they're technically different characters, but I'm not too keen on it.
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/14/2008 2:18:04 PM | message detail
I still can't see him letting in X seperately.

Then again, Sailor Bacon let in a Tetris piece, 3 non-Pikachu Pokemon and a generic enemy.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/14/2008 2:18:59 PM | message detail
People commenting on X/Zero need to realize that X did 1% worse on Mega Man than Zero did, despite adding 4 other Mega Mans to the poll. And if MM truly has dropped since 2k4, Zero probably has dropped as much, if not more.
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ZFS | Posted 8/14/2008 2:54:33 PM | message detail
argh why are we discussing x and mega man as separate characters

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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/14/2008 2:55:14 PM | message detail
Because if we weren't we'd be discussing Braid.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2008 2:56:09 PM | message detail
Because we need a bracket.

I'll say that X would probably be interesting as a one-time shot because he's a wild card of sorts.
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2008 2:56:43 PM | message detail
How 'bout X vs. Naked Snake: Who you got?
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 8/14/2008 3:01:07 PM | message detail
Anyone else think X may leech enough nominations from Mega Man that MM gets snubbed? Probably unlikely, but it'd be hilarious if it happened.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2008 3:01:46 PM | message detail
Mega Man will get in by virtue of being Mega Man, I think.
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/14/2008 3:03:04 PM | message detail
I'm going for the upset and say X.

I don't get why anyone would vote for him, because he's an incredible lame verison of Solid Snake. I mean seriously compare those two.

Naked Snake turned into a twelve year old once he saw Eve's breasts while Solid Snake told Meryl that she got cute butt.

I mean at least X is seen as a cooler version of the original.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/14/2008 3:03:05 PM | message detail

LeonhartFour (#332)
How 'bout X vs. Naked Snake: Who you got?



X wins easily.


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SFF_potential | Posted 8/14/2008 3:03:30 PM | message detail
could give Mega Man such a low seed that he'll be against a legitimate character in the first round, but i don't think he'll get snubbed
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2008 3:04:21 PM | message detail
because he's an incredible lame verison of Solid Snake

This may be the filthiest lie that's ever been posted in the 554+ stats topics.
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/14/2008 3:05:03 PM | message detail

LeonhartFour (#338)
because he's an incredible lame verison of Solid Snake

This may be the filthiest lie that's ever been posted in the 554+ stats topics.



What about "Laharl will beat L-Block?"
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/14/2008 3:05:42 PM | message detail
That's no lie, it's a fact- Solid Snake > Good characters > lame heroes > Naked Snake.

I even like Big Boss when he's Big Boss in the other Metal Gear games.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2008 3:05:47 PM | message detail
Not even in the same region of filthiness.
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
ZFS | Posted 8/14/2008 3:06:30 PM | message detail
we have taken a turn for the worst

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Kept you waiting, huh?
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/14/2008 3:09:09 PM | message detail
Seriously, though, I'm expecting a major boost for MGS characters, but if Big Boss is going to contend with the likes of X, then Solid Snake will be leading Link before the Zelda morning vote kicks in.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2008 3:10:02 PM | message detail
We saw what the Naked Snake picture did for Big Boss last contest. People don't think much of Magus anymore, but he's not exactly fodder these days either.
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
ZFS | Posted 8/14/2008 3:10:19 PM | message detail
Solid Snake will be leading Link before the Zelda morning vote kicks in.

Sounds like a plan to me!

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/14/2008 3:11:39 PM | message detail
Yeah, as I said before X > Big Boss with a Naked Snake picture should be considered an upset, since we have no idea where X stands.
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SFF_potential | Posted 8/14/2008 3:12:09 PM | message detail
then Solid Snake will be leading Link before the Zelda morning vote kicks in.

that would be good to see, though i suspect it would happen with Samus(if she can win that is)
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/14/2008 3:12:31 PM | message detail
MMX is one of my favorite characters, while I vote against MM in almost all of his matches. I'm sure I'm not the only one out there.
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ZFS | Posted 8/14/2008 3:13:57 PM | message detail
time to join in on this craziness

Cloud vs. "Wind Waker" Link

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/14/2008 3:15:09 PM | message detail
Gimme Link.

WW is not as hated anymore as it used to be.
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