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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/9/2008 4:47:59 PM | message detail
ah, turtle turtle.

Mega Man/Sonic- Another great potential match. They were dead even in 2k5 and 2k6, and last year Sonic looked like crap despite having Brawl. That combined with MM9 coming in September makes me think Mega Man should take it.

no comment.

Zelda/Zero- For me, this is basically the same as Tifa/Auron. Zelda looked like crap, and got much less on Vincent than Zero got on Crono last year. Zero easily.

but i must comment on this one. why the HELL do you think Zelda dropped after TP's release?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 8/9/2008 4:51:52 PM | message detail
Turtle is becoming a MM fanboy for some reason and thinks all the MM characters are at least twice as strong as they actually are. Don't know why, unless he thinks the site somehow shifted back to the SNES days.

all the lower characters are going to drop, like Ike, Meta-Knight, Fox etc.

How DARE you call Fox a lower Nintendo character. Fox > DK, I'd guarantee it!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/9/2008 4:52:49 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'd take Fox > DK, but not by much.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/9/2008 5:00:50 PM | message detail

but i must comment on this one. why the HELL do you think Zelda dropped after TP's release?


I'm not saying she dropped, I'm just saying that last year's Zelda was comparable to 2k5 Zelda, who I would peg comfortably lower than Zero.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2876
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2902

Zero did way better on Crono than Zelda did on Vincent, and Vincent didn't beat Crono by that much. Not only that, but look at how badly Midna bombed. Twilight Princess clearly didn't do much of anything for anybody not named Link. Zelda and Ganondorf have both looked terrible in 2k7 and Ganondorf was even worse in 2k6. This is why I wouldn't put TP that much higher than 2k4 Wind Waker.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/9/2008 5:03:58 PM | message detail
I predicted Vincent would SMOKE Zelda because of the format, but I wouldn't dare take Zero over Zelda.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 8/9/2008 5:05:46 PM | message detail
I wouldn't take too much out of those four way matches there Turtle.

Anyways, now you got me thinking. How would you rank these Nintendo characters, based on contest strength (not necessarily who would win because of SFF and all that)?

Zelda
Ganondorf
Bowser
Luigi
Yoshi
Fox
Falco
Wario
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Charizard
Mewtwo
Pikachu
Ness
Captain Falcon
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/9/2008 5:08:03 PM | message detail
Bowser
Ganondorf
Zelda
Yoshi
Luigi
Mewtwo
Fox McCloud
Donkey Kong
Charizard
Diddy Kong
Falco
Pikachu
Ness
Wario
Captain Falcon

I refuse to put Ganondorf first, though I'm not sure he could beat Bowser anyway.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/9/2008 5:08:03 PM | message detail
Ganondorf
Bowser
Yoshi
Luigi
Pikachu
Fox
Diddy Kong
Mewtwo
Charizard
Donkey Kong
Falco
Ness
Wario
Captain Falcon
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/9/2008 5:08:27 PM | message detail
Oh, throw Zelda after Luigi
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/9/2008 5:09:40 PM | message detail
And add Kirby before Zelda
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SFF_potential | Posted 8/9/2008 5:11:05 PM | message detail
Ganondorf
Bowser
Zelda
Luigi
Yoshi
Pikachu
Fox McCloud
Donkey Kong
Charizard
Mewtwo
Diddy Kong
Falco
Ness
Wario
Captain Falcon
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/9/2008 5:12:16 PM | message detail
I'm not saying she dropped, I'm just saying that last year's Zelda was comparable to 2k5 Zelda, who I would peg comfortably lower than Zero.

even if you take 2k5 Zelda, it's still comfortably ABOVE both Zero 2k5 AND Zero 2k6.

those four-way polls arent good enough to show off Zelda's strength, though. honestly, Aeris and other princesses stunk it up as well. it's safe to assume that she's a little bit higher than 2k5's numbers.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 8/9/2008 5:12:45 PM | message detail
Crap, I knew I forgot a Nintendo character. Stupid pink furball -_-
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chaosarcher07 | Posted 8/9/2008 5:13:49 PM | message detail
Ganondorf
Zelda
Bowser
Yoshi
Luigi
Mewtwo
Fox
Charizard
Falco
Donkey Kong
Ness
Pikachu
Diddy Kong
Captain Falcon
Wario

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yoshifan823 | Posted 8/9/2008 5:14:20 PM | message detail
Bowser
Ganondorf
Luigi
Zelda
Yoshi
Fox
Pikachu
Donkey Kong
Ness
Wario
Mewtwo
Charizard
Diddy Kong
Captain Falcon
Falco
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/9/2008 5:15:23 PM | message detail
oh, and as for ranking Nintendo characters..
Ganondorf
Zelda
Bowser
Yoshi
Luigi
Charizard
Fox
Mewtwo
Donkey Kong
Pikachu
Diddy Kong
Wario
Pikachu
Falco
Ness
Captain Falcon
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/9/2008 5:16:49 PM | message detail
even if you take 2k5 Zelda, it's still comfortably ABOVE both Zero 2k5 AND Zero 2k6.

those four-way polls arent good enough to show off Zelda's strength, though. honestly, Aeris and other princesses stunk it up as well. it's safe to assume that she's a little bit higher than 2k5's numbers.


Except last year basically confirmed Nintendo/Zero SFF. His numbers against Mario and Luigi are skewed because of that, and also because of Luigi stinking it up against Sonic.

Zero went from being 4% behind Crono to being almost doubled by him despite Vincent also being in the poll. That was all because of Link, who we already know has a nasty habit of SFFing Mega Man.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/9/2008 5:19:32 PM | message detail
Except last year basically confirmed Nintendo/Zero SFF. His numbers against Mario and Luigi are skewed because of that, and also because of Luigi stinking it up against Sonic.

just take his performance against Ryu Hayabusa is comparison to Dante's (and Dante is already around Zelda's level).

and Luigi didnt stink up anything. he performed around expected even considering that Sonic at least gained a teeny bit.

Zero went from being 4% behind Crono to being almost doubled by him despite Vincent also being in the poll. That was all because of Link, who we already know has a nasty habit of SFFing Mega Man.

i guess this is going to be the gist of most debates in this contest: four-way polls. i do not trust 90% of them. i can see Zero doing well in that format.


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paraboxx | Posted 8/9/2008 5:21:40 PM | message detail
Oh I am definitely back in this year. Even the nominations are interesting. (Any word on when they close yet, btw?)

(Oh, and hello people I haven't seen in nine months)
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/9/2008 5:25:58 PM | message detail
What does Zero doing well in the format have to do with Link SFFing the pants off of him?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 8/9/2008 5:28:12 PM | message detail
Zero performing well in the four-way matches = Zero looking stronger then he actually is = You saying crazy things like Zero > Zelda = Us laughing at your general direction.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/9/2008 5:31:55 PM | message detail
Just like you laughed at Pikachu > Tidus/Vivi?

Just like you laughed at Master Chief > Everyone but the Noble Nine?

The only huge mistake I had last year was Link > Zero in that match, and that's because I was hoping LFF would have more effect and Link SFF would have less effect than they actually did.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/9/2008 5:40:17 PM | message detail
L-Block is in the Noble Nine?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/9/2008 5:40:19 PM | message detail
Zero doing well in that match only tells me that he shared the least with all three guys and had a hardcore fanbase.

honestly, that four-way poll just isnt enough justification. we've already established that damsels in distress perform horribly in four-way polls. Zero would struggle to beat Zelda even in Mega Man's best year.

it's going to take a huge leap of faith for me to believe he's back up to that level from.. nothing. i think he's a bit higher than what 2k6 says but I wouldn't take him over say, Dante.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 8/9/2008 5:42:42 PM | message detail
Just like you laughed at Pikachu > Tidus/Vivi?

Just like you laughed at Master Chief > Everyone but the Noble Nine?


What? I was cheering for Pikachu, and never did I argue against Master Chief. Where are you getting this? Also, what does that have to do with the fact that you're letting four-way polls determine the outcome of regular matches for this contest?
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swirIdude | Posted 8/9/2008 5:42:51 PM | message detail
Just like you laughed at Master Chief > Everyone but the Noble Nine?

Since I saw it coming, others had to have, as my ability to predict the future is usually terrible.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/9/2008 5:44:30 PM | message detail
If we're seriously putting THAT much faith in the four-way format, Meta Knight will be at Noble Nine Breaker levels. >_>;;;;


lol turtle
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XxSoulxX | Posted 8/9/2008 5:45:12 PM | message detail
Yeah, and L-Block will crush Snake easily!
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/9/2008 5:45:44 PM | message detail
Snake? Pssh, Link will be lucky to break 30% on the Block!
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paraboxx | Posted 8/9/2008 5:45:52 PM | message detail
Also, what does that have to do with the fact that you're letting four-way polls determine the outcome of regular matches for this contest?

This. Any contest L-Block takes is just plain screwy.

(Hint: if L-Block takes this contest, it is also just plain screwy)
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/9/2008 5:46:08 PM | message detail
I wouldn't take Zero over Dante either. And I'm putting faith in four way matches that make sense with other contest history.
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Yesmar | Posted 8/9/2008 5:47:26 PM | message detail
Zelda and Ganondorf have both looked terrible in 2k7 and Ganondorf was even worse in 2k6. This is why I wouldn't put TP that much higher than 2k4 Wind Waker.

I agree with you on TP's placement, if anything possibly a little lower, but I don't agree on Ganondorf looking worse either year. In 2006, he was just as good as 2005, even if you take into account the overinflated rankings characters were probably given in the X-Stats. He lost to Vincent by pretty much the same amount he was expected to in 2005. And in 2007 he probably only lost to Luigi due to his sprite picture, albeit he let Luigi get somewhat close the match before. Not by an embarrassing amount however.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/9/2008 5:47:28 PM | message detail
And I'm putting faith in four way matches that make sense with other contest history.

Contest history states Peach > Luigi > Zero.

Therefore, Meta Knight >>>>>>> Zero.

....I approve.
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paraboxx | Posted 8/9/2008 5:50:53 PM | message detail
While I'm here:

Ganondorf
Bowser
Kirby
Zelda
Yoshi
Luigi
Fox
Pikachu
Donkey Kong
Mewtwo
Charizard
Falco
Wario
Diddy Kong
Captain Falcon
Ness

...not that it means anything coming from me, but w/e
NotTerrafire | Posted 8/9/2008 6:00:13 PM | message detail
And I'm putting faith in four way matches that make sense with other contest history.

Why bother? By that logic, we might as well ignore the four-way matches (I think we should, unless of course this contest is a four-way), because if they make sense then we can just use the 'other contest history' mentioned as our guide anyway.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/9/2008 6:02:18 PM | message detail
so you'd take Luigi over Ganondorf? MC over practically 3/4 of the field? even Pikachu?


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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/9/2008 6:39:57 PM | message detail
Everyone has questioned Ganondorf's ability to SFF anything since that fateful match against Link. What Luigi did wasn't surprising at all to me (I even picked it), though the picture probably didn't help.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 8/9/2008 7:14:43 PM | message detail
Just crossed the 116,000 nomination mark. Assuming the average user is responsible for about 15 of those (as in casuals might only use a few while some people might have used 25 with adds and deletions), that comes out to roughly 8,000 users having already filled out this nom ballot. That... seems pretty impressive. Hard to say since we've never seen nomination numbers before, but last season for example only 33,793 sent in a bracket. So it seems pretty safe to say that excitement is high for this new Contest.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/9/2008 7:17:11 PM | message detail
I don't see why everyone in the stat topic doesn't have Turtle on ignore. He's never made a single post in these worth reading.

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Lady Ashe | Posted 8/9/2008 7:32:27 PM | message detail

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I don't see why everyone in the stat topic doesn't have Turtle on ignore. He's never made a single post in these worth reading.

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HaRRicH | Posted 8/9/2008 7:35:22 PM | message detail
I'm saying two things:


1) Your past upset-calls do NOT note your prediction skills nor your ability to analyze.

2) Any backlash Nintendo has right now from E3 (which is still exaggerated) is easily replaced by how well received SMG, SSBB, and MKW have been in the past year. Take your "Nintendo is dropping" malarkey out of here; Nintendo's about to get their third GotY here in a row in style, and MKW doesn't hurt the cause.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/9/2008 7:36:39 PM | message detail
1) Your past upset-calls do NOT note your prediction skills nor your ability to analyze.

But you can bet he's not letting us forget about it!

Of course, I bet that blind squirrel brags about that acorn he found ALL the time.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/9/2008 7:38:00 PM | message detail
Harrich pretty much echoed my thoughts very well with those two statements
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yoshifan823 | Posted 8/9/2008 7:59:45 PM | message detail
OK, to make some conversation (and to keep the TuRtLe bashing to a minimum), I've got a question.

Will Crono stay Noble 9?

I say, and get ready for this, nay. And I think that there's gonna be an unlikely face doing the killing blow. It still all depends on the bracket, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Dante, Master Chief, or even someone completely out of left field was the one to do it.

(NOTE: All of the following is moot if Chrono Trigger DS is announced before the match.)

Chrono Trigger has been dropping for years. Chrono beating Mario was arguably the peak of Chrono Trigger's E-Popularity, and since then, we've seen Sonic take him down, as well as Magus and Frog falling, and falling fairly hard. Now, if Crono gets lucky he'll get a lower seed, and have to face a NNer before anyone weaker can get to him, but it's almost going to be a kind of headhunt, just to see who gets to break it "officially".

As an aside, I would love love love to see Sub-Zero do well. Any other characters that you like that could potentially do well, or better than expected?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/9/2008 8:02:20 PM | message detail
Now I think Crono may lose, but it ain't gonna be to Dante or Master Chief.
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Electroplankton | Posted 8/9/2008 8:02:50 PM | message detail
Hey Ulti what are Agent J's chances of getting in again?
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/9/2008 8:16:37 PM | message detail
Bold prediction: Squall beats Crono in a one-on-one match within... uh, if not this contest, the next three years!

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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/9/2008 8:17:34 PM | message detail
I like that boldness, poster! It just needs to happen before CTDS!

Or after KHIII, where Squall kills Sora and becomes the main character!
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ZFS | Posted 8/9/2008 8:18:15 PM | message detail
If Chrono Trigger DS get announced? It already has been. Coming out this year, too.

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