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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 552

Ngamer64 | Posted 8/3/2008 9:26:01 PM | message detail
Nobody believed in? Excuse me, I'm a somebody!

Also, I'm expecting the Day Vote to go huge to GE and Smash at the expense of everything else. Yeah Zelda's a day beast, but I think MM is more "cult" and hardcore early voterish than anything else relating to Link that we've seen in action.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2008 9:26:37 PM | message detail
GoldenEye is definitely a scary wild card. I'd be interested to see what would happen against Mario 64, honestly.

Or in a non-SFF setting, something like...FFX. Or even FFVI.
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transience | Posted 8/3/2008 9:27:42 PM | message detail
I didn't exactly hear you screaming from the hills about it before The List!
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/3/2008 9:29:34 PM | message detail
This all depends on the credibility you give the past polls. I mean, Majora's Mask CAN be played on the Wii already due to a GameCube game, and Zelda does have both OoT and Twilight Princess on the Wii as straight-up Wii games (or VC), while the original Smash has not one, but BOTH of its sequels playable on the Wii. If anything, Majora's Mask/Smash(64) have as much reason to underperform as FFVI did yesterday.

While, on the other hand, Goldeneye isn't available in a game of its quality at all on the Wii.
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/3/2008 9:30:13 PM | message detail
*two days ago >_>
Ngamer64 | Posted 8/3/2008 9:38:59 PM | message detail
Fair point tranny- I have to admit that the 73% beatdown dampened even my spirits. However, I did still have enough faith to... oh shoot, I just checked, and I didn't predict GE for the Top Ten finish back then. Looking over these picks now, you were right, it didn't have believers at all... only 3 of the 58 of us who sent in Top Ten predictions had Goldeneye listed at all, let alone to finish 7th. Those three genius BTW were

charmander
Raven
Ex Content

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transience | Posted 8/3/2008 9:42:42 PM | message detail
just for kicks - #9-#6 predix:

From: transience | Posted: 10/27/2005 3:59:05 PM | Message Detail
well, if you want to go by consensus, here's the current predictions for #9:

Halo - 6
SM64 - 5
FF10 - 4
MGS - 3
SMW - 2
Starcraft - 2
Zelda: MM - 1
Zelda: WW - 1
Zelda: LTTP - 1
MGS2 - 1
Tetris - 1
KH - 1
SMRPG - 1
SMB3 - 1

From: transience | Posted: 10/28/2005 8:03:02 PM | Message Detail
well, now that we're into what I assume is the 11th hour before #8 is revealed, here's the results of my prediction topic:

Starcraft - 19
SM64 - 10
FF10 - 10
MGS - 7
SMW - 5
SSBM - 5
FF8 - 5
LTTP - 4
KH - 3
Mario 3 - 3
Sonic 2 - 2
WOW - 2
Metroid Prime - 1
Earthbound - 1
SOTN - 1
GTA:VC - 1
GTA:SA - 1
Super Metroid - 1
MGS3 - 1
007 - 1
SSB - 1

From: transience | Posted: 10/29/2005 9:40:00 PM | Message Detail
not as many votes today because I was away for most of the day, but today's prediction results:

SM64 - 19
Starcraft - 19
Link to the Past - 7
FF10 - 7
SSBM - 6
007 - 4
GTA:VC - 3
FF8 - 3
GTA:SA - 2
Super Mario World - 2
WOW - 1
SM - 1
FF4 - 1
Pokemon Gold/Silver - 1
Super Metroid - 1
RE4 - 1
Mario 3 - 1
Tetris - 1

From: transience | Posted: 10/30/2005 9:34:51 PM | Message Detail
today's predictions:

LTTP - 23
SM64 - 16
SSBM - 12
FF10 - 10
Starcraft - 8
Mario 3 - 5
GTA:VC - 4
Super Mario World - 3
SOTN - 2
FF8 - 1
Pokemon R/B - 1
Pokemon G/S - 1
Mega Man 3 - 1
Super Metroid - 1
Sonic 2 - 1
Chrono Trigger - 1
Tetris - 1
Street Fighter 2 - 1
RE4 - 1


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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2008 9:43:03 PM | message detail
GoldenEye was the only one on the top ten I didn't get. Don't remember what I had in its place though. Maybe San Andreas?
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transience | Posted 8/3/2008 9:45:47 PM | message detail
I had..

10 - FF6
9 - FF10
8 - Halo
7 - Mario 64 (whoops)
6 - Mario 3
5 - SSBM
4 - LTTP
3 - CT
2 - OOT
1 - FF7

something like that. mighta mixed up LTTP and SSBM.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2008 9:47:44 PM | message detail
I had the top 5 perfect, which helped a lot. I had FFVI 6th and SSBM 7th though. Had MGS 8th and Halo 10th, I think. Maybe I had StarCraft 9th? Don't remember. It wasn't far off though. It was in the teens, whatever it was.
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transience | Posted 8/3/2008 9:48:56 PM | message detail
couldn't have been Starcraft, you wouldn't have scored so high. SC ended up like 19 or something. let's see..

#18: Starcraft - PC
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Ngamer64 | Posted 8/3/2008 9:50:05 PM | message detail
Close tranny, but you swapped a few around there. Your Guru-winning 14 point entry was

transience
1 FF7
2 Ocarina
3 CT
4 Mario 3
5 Melee
6 LttP
7 Mario 64
8 Halo
9 FFX
10 FF6

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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2008 9:53:57 PM | message detail
Maybe it was San Andreas then. Still can't remember. I'd need to see the list. Let's see...

I had a score of 13. I got 4 for FFVI, 1 for SSBM, 1 for Halo, so...Couldn't have been San Andreas. Probably would've won had I guessed that. Nailed that tiebreaker on the money! Old polls do pay off!

That would mean I guessed...RE4? Hmmm...Doesn't sound right. Ahh, whatever.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/3/2008 9:57:42 PM | message detail
so..

Goldeneye or FFVI?


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HaRRicH | Posted 8/3/2008 11:24:47 PM | message detail
Wow...I almost made my wiiiiild prediction that GE 007 would win this poll from the example I gave, but I chickened out because PD was in the poll. Turns out that doesn't matter! Between GE smashing two of the biggest games on the N64 with PD in the poll today, placing five spots over SM64 in the Top 100 List post-SM64DS, showing it can get get 80+% on fodder, nearly landing 60% on a legit C:SotN, and outdoing SM64 against LoZ:OoT by over 3%...there's not really anything else GE can do to prove itself that it's a heavyweight contender. I've probably flip-flopped on a GE/SM64 match ever since it was first up for discussion, but I think at this point I would have to take GE and feel better about the match than ever before (which still isn't too good!).

Other notes: I figured LoZ:MM would give better chase to GE, though it's beating the rest harder than I thought. SSB is disappointing, but even for a party-game it's gotta be hard to compete with one of the most revolutionary games for the multi-player genre ever. I love that PD is beating DK64 despite GE in the poll, and there's a small chance PD could have won this poll if GE wasn't here. HM64 is "surprising" considering I thought it would have gotten last here after getting beaten by Madden '09 the other day. PW64!!! ...too bad it's bombing. It should have been Mario Party, not Mario Golf! At LEAST Mario Tennis, come on.....
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ZFS | Posted 8/3/2008 11:27:24 PM | message detail
If Ocarina smashed Goldeneye as badly as it did, I'm not sure why Mario 64 wouldn't dish out a beating of its own.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/3/2008 11:31:30 PM | message detail
harrich why are you reading so much into it? it's not technically a popularity poll anymore than it is a VC poll.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/3/2008 11:33:38 PM | message detail
As for GE/FF3-6...man, these polls make GE look VERY appealing, but I don't know if I have the courage to take the upset.



Here's a fun one...let's say SB has an all-star type of VC-poll. How would you predict this poll to go:

Battletoads
Castlevania: Bloodlines
Chrono Trigger
Earthbound
Final Fantasy
Goldeneye
Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Shaq-Fu

damn you sega i love/hate you
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Ngamer64 | Posted 8/3/2008 11:36:58 PM | message detail
...because Mario 64 was smashed 3% harder?

And yes, it's a VC poll, but people are still going to vote for their favorite game out of the options listed, by and large. If GE was only going to win this poll by a percentage point or two, I'd give you that the swing could easily be explained away by their being some Zelda and SSB options on the VC already to lower people's enthusiasm for another. But with the way GE is flat out running away with this, it seems very clear that it's the favorite of these choices.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/3/2008 11:40:51 PM | message detail
But with the way GE is flat out running away with this, it seems very clear that it's the favorite of these choices.

I don't think that's particularly shocking, and I still wouldn't be completely surprised if SSB could beat it in a regular 1 on 1 poll.
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ZFS | Posted 8/3/2008 11:43:38 PM | message detail
I don't know why that would be unexpected. Mario 64 should share more of a fanbase with Zelda than it would with Goldeneye - not that 3% means anything at all in such a match. There's not a whole lot of doubt that Goldeneye has some solid backing behind it, but it seems to be people are getting a little crazy based off of poll that doesn't mean a whole lot. If you took away Smash Bros, I'd be surprised if Majora's Mask wasn't winning this.

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Ngamer64 | Posted 8/3/2008 11:46:56 PM | message detail
Fine, take away the 17% SSB is getting and MM could very well pull into the lead, no argument. But take away the 10% PD is pulling down, and we'd return to Blowout City, population GE.

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ZFS | Posted 8/3/2008 11:50:50 PM | message detail
If we take away Perfect Dark, let's take away Donkey Kong 64 while we're at it. Eventually we cut this down to a one-on-one poll that may be slightly in favor of Goldeneye, or the other way around and in favor of Majora's Mask. The winner there isn't nearly as decisive as some would like to make it out to be.

How much do you think Goldeneye wins by in a one-on-one?

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/3/2008 11:52:57 PM | message detail
i'd be pretty confident with GE over everything except SSB; i'm not sure if it'd beat that...

i don't think SSB would get Brawl votes....

or.. would it?
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2008 12:03:04 AM | message detail
If Ocarina smashed Goldeneye as badly as it did, I'm not sure why Mario 64 wouldn't dish out a beating of its own.

GE has clearly outshone SM64 in three different ways that matter to some degree in GameFAQs contests: once on a common opponent, once by seeding in the same contest (in fact, GE and PD both out-seeded SM64), and once in the Top 100 List...and now GE is showing it didn't crumble to LoZ:OoT just because of the series brand-name power LoZ has. GE showing it can prevail over the name-power of series like LoZ and SSB -- even if they're not the top entries in their series -- despite PD being in the poll leaves me little reason to think SM64 has a big advantage or an ace up its sleeve anymore...

...I'm certain SM64 is the top-selling N64 game, but I'm almost certain GE is in the top three for the N64 sales too and sales will hardly matter between them. SM64 was a launch game, but GE came out within a year of it. SM64 revolutionized the single-player experience and gaming in general, but GE revolutionized/revitalized the multi-player experience and the N64 was largely known as a multi-player system. SM64 is still a Mario-game, but GE is showing today it's going to take more than brand-names to beat it. SM64 has more in common with LoZ:OoT because they're single-player-only and Nintendo, but GE is commonly mistaken as Nintendo even today for a reason AND they were all must-play/own games on the N64. SM64 is also on the DS, but that didn't stop GE from landing in the Top Ten over it on the Top 100 List. I believe SM64 is the best-selling N64 VC-game while GE is the most wanted N64 VC-game, so there is still clear interest in both games today.

There's no way SM64 doesn't stand a chance in the match obviously, but...where are the clear signs of SM64 winning directly against GE? It would have to be Mario/Samus again.


harrich why are you reading so much into it? it's not technically a popularity poll anymore than it is a VC poll.

There's no contest.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2008 12:09:47 AM | message detail
Also...I'll say this right now: you could have a poll with just GE, SSB, and PD...I will still take GE to win. SSB is showing us that -- while it was liked -- it doesn't hold up so well today. In fact, if you look at the OLD-old GameFAQs GotY-poll with horrible votes and anything else you want to discredit it with...



THE BEST OF 1999: Nintendo 64

184 3.26% Castlevania
976 17.29% Donkey Kong 64
263 4.66% Gauntlet Legends
353 6.25% Harvest Moon 64
270 4.78% Jet Force Gemini
99 1.75% Mario Golf
230 4.07% Pokemon Snap
84 1.49% Shadow Man
115 2.04% Star Wars: Racer
1088 19.27% Super Smash Brothers
92 1.63% WWF Attitude
1186 21.01% WWF Wrestlemania 2000
706 12.50% Other

TOTAL VOTES: 5646



...SSB didn't do so well back then, either. It's improved since then in comparison to DK64, probably because of series-support...but GE has proven it's got the N64 multi-player experience on lock-down and that it can SFF PD into oblivion despite PD probably being about to get 39% indirectly on GE.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/4/2008 12:09:55 AM | message detail
it being outseeded could easily be explained how it had to split with his own brethren; it's just the same reasoning for why it got SFF'd more.

and yeah, today is showing that it does have it's own backing; but don't forget that Super Mario 64 isn't present and it ain't a contest poll.
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ZFS | Posted 8/4/2008 12:14:43 AM | message detail
Also...I'll say this right now: you could have a poll with just GE, SSB, and PD...I will still take GE to win.

This is crazy.

I'll throw it out there again for anyone to answer - what percentage does Goldeneye get against Majora's Mask?

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/4/2008 12:33:58 AM | message detail
Wow! I may have voted for Majora's Mask (like it just a smidgen more), but this is brilliant. I've always thought Goldeneye had a lot going for it, including, but not limited to, introducing tons of console gamers to the FPS genre and being arguably the most played N64 game in the US. I've long been leaning toward Mr. Bond in matches against formidable competition like MGS, Halo, and RE4, and this only bolsters my confidence.

However, Mario 64 is where I draw the line. It's a tantalizing match in theory, but I'm getting some Mario/Samus deja vu from it all the same. Goldeneye may not fit the stereotypical mold of something we expect to be a part of the Nintendo hierarchy, but I think it's definitely in there somewhere, and probably not above SM64.
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transience | Posted 8/4/2008 12:37:20 AM | message detail
If you took away Smash Bros, I'd be surprised if Majora's Mask wasn't winning this.

Fine, take away the 17% SSB is getting and MM could very well pull into the lead, no argument. But take away the 10% PD is pulling down, and we'd return to Blowout City, population GE.

If we take away Perfect Dark, let's take away Donkey Kong 64 while we're at it.

oh man, this cracked me up.

anyway, I'm going GE >= SM64 > MM > SSB based on what I'm seeing today. I take GE to beat MM with 55%, and SSB with 57%. I understand what you're saying -- comparing GE to Samus -- but I don't buy it.

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ZFS | Posted 8/4/2008 12:38:29 AM | message detail
SOTN that close to SSB, huh?

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transience | Posted 8/4/2008 12:39:01 AM | message detail
SOTN wouldn't get 40% on GE anymore, just like Alucard wouldn't get however many percent on Ganondorf. 44 or whatever.
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ZFS | Posted 8/4/2008 12:43:49 AM | message detail
Maybe. SOTN could have gotten weaker over the years, but I wouldn't expect it to be a whole lot. Alucard is one thing, his game is another. A lot like Crono and Chrono Trigger.

But I'm outnumbered on this one, so I'll just move along. Nothing I've seen in this poll or read in the topic has convinced me Goldeneye's got the strength people are talking about, though. We'll see.

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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2008 12:44:14 AM | message detail
I'll throw it out there again for anyone to answer - what percentage does Goldeneye get against Majora's Mask?

Going by BGE-stats for a second...I'll be generous to my LoZ:MM expectations and say it's even with LoZ at 34.49%. I'll also go a little below my GE expectations here and GE and say it's between GTA:VC and FFX (closer to FFX at 36.5%). That would say LoZ:MM would get 47.25% against GE on those terms. From there, today's poll seems particularly mortifying for LoZ:MM's chances since it can't just rely on its name-power to overcome this. I think GE with 53+% is a conservative judgment, and I would rather predict 55% or so...

...which is nice, given that I've heard discussion about LoZ:MM being able to compete with or even upset SM64 one-on-one. SM64 wins, but I don't think it beats LoZ:MM by more than GE. If SMW is as close to SM64 as some people think, then it should be noted SMW is still just a bit below LoZ (and my assumption of where LoZ:MM is at for this debate) so SM64/LoZ:MM would both be around 34.5%...and there's no way I'm taking GE to be that low by BGE-stats.
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transience | Posted 8/4/2008 12:46:25 AM | message detail
it's not just the poll, really.. GE has that List, too. you can throw it out if you want, but it's yet to disappoint. heck, Perfect Dark got like 47% on SOTN. if the far inferior game -- strength-wise -- can almost beat a pretty strong title in SOTN, how good is Goldeneye?
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2008 12:51:27 AM | message detail
I can buy C:SotN being that close to SSB. This poll and the 1999's GotY-poll show us that the original SSB wasn't as hot as we predicted it was -- the old one showing its start here wasn't wonderful and this one showing it its name-power can separate it from the DK64's but it's not about to touch LoZ:MM.

No doubt in my mind that SSB beats C:SotN, but it's crazy to me to think it shouldn't be 54-46 or better.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/4/2008 1:08:06 AM | message detail
outdoing SM64 against LoZ:OoT by over 3%

Sweet, the Samus > Mario logic all over again. You guys really love beating your heads against brick walls until one or the other cracks.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/4/2008 1:10:17 AM | message detail

transience | Posted 8/4/2008 3:46:25 AM (#185)
it's not just the poll, really.. GE has that List, too. you can throw it out if you want, but it's yet to disappoint. heck, Perfect Dark got like 47% on SOTN. if the far inferior game -- strength-wise -- can almost beat a pretty strong title in SOTN, how good is Goldeneye?



I wouldn't pick it over Mario 64 for SFF reasons, but I'd take Goldeneye over a hell of a lot of games higher up in those stats. Goldeneye vs Starcraft would be such an amazing match.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/4/2008 1:14:15 AM | message detail
Looking now, and the games above Goldeneye I'd pick to win:

FF7
OOT
Chrono Trigger
LTTP
Mario 3
FF6
SSBM
Super Mario World

That 8 out of 24. Even for goofy stats, 33% is low.

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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2008 1:18:35 AM | message detail
Also, just to compliment my SSB-points a bit more, in the 1999-GotY polls, SSB got two polls. In the N64-GotY, as I already showed, SSB is almost perfectly between DK64 and WWF Wrestlemania 2000 by being 2% above/below them. In the overall-GotY, both SSB and WWF were in it...and WWF still outdid SSB by over a percent (making me doubt even more taking away DK64 would do much for SSB in today's poll)...

...which Soul Calibur outdid by 2.5%...

...in a poll where FF8 got ~42%.


Poll 38 (01/08/2000)
THE BEST OF 1999: Game of the Year

447 4.46% Age of Empires II (PC)
4188 41.79% Final Fantasy VIII (PSX)
550 5.49% Pokemon Yellow (GB)
678 6.77% Resident Evil 3 (PSX)
265 2.64% SNK vs Capcom: MOTM (NGPC)
383 3.82% Sonic Adventure (DC)
1227 12.24% Soul Calibur (DC)
880 8.78% Super Smash Brothers (N64)
403 4.02% Unreal Tournament (PC)
1001 9.99% WWF Wrestlemania 2000 (N64)

TOTAL VOTES: 10022


Now, fast forward to 2004. FF8 is probably not far from FFX then -- let's say 36.5% like what I used for GE. Soul Calibur lost to KH and landed .04% above SMW...before you consider KH is behind Starcraft. We all understand the site has changed and that SSB would be a competitor we wouldn't want to bet against often, but how much more powerful do we expect this game to be because of its two sequels? It wouldn't get bracket-votes like Mario and LoZ can draw, and SSB is probably weaker than any main LoZ or SMB game without Sunshine or 2 in their titles. How much credit are we giving to SSB's name-power here? It just seems excessive, especially in the face of today's poll.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/4/2008 1:21:55 AM | message detail
I don't have too much faith in the original Smash. Then again unless we get a no-strings-attached games contest, this entire chat is moot.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/4/2008 1:23:10 AM | message detail
It's not moot to me! This is probably the first time I've posted something meaningful here in months.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2008 1:33:49 AM | message detail
Sweet, the Samus > Mario logic all over again. You guys really love beating your heads against brick walls until one or the other cracks.

"It's friggin' Mario 64."

More seriously, Mario is without question the face of Nintendo and SM64 is arguably not the face of either its series or its system. People will not favor SM64 over GE like Mario over Samus because SM64 is not Mario and GE can -- in many people's eyes -- be more representative of the N64 than Samus is of Nintendo. The comparison of SM64/GE to Mario/Samus isn't fair except that most signs for years now are siding with Samus/GE.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/4/2008 1:37:24 AM | message detail
I hope you're right and I'm wrong. Because even though I'd pick Mario in that match, I wouldn't be caught dead rooting for that game to beat Goldeneye.

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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2008 1:38:58 AM | message detail
Haha, I'm in the opposite ship -- picking GE and rooting for SM64.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 8/4/2008 6:04:31 AM | message detail
Am I the only honest one here? I'll be voting AND rooting for GE. That game was nearly my sole gaming knowledge for years. Multi-player, single-player, even now it's rare you get a game that does both well.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2008 7:39:42 AM | message detail
Oh, I'll be voting for SM64, It's just that I think GE will still win despite my one vote.
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transience | Posted 8/4/2008 9:08:59 AM | message detail
I dislike both games. :)

Mario 64 is like the anti-Goldeneye -- it's disappointed more than once. I'll never get over how the most popular/influential 3d platformer of all time got flattened like that by OOT. I thought it did pretty terrible on that List, and I think there was something else where it didn't do so hot in. I forget. either way, it seems like 64 should be able to beat Goldeneye -- it doesn't make sense that it couldn't, honestly -- but it's just yet to do anything noteworthy.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/4/2008 9:12:49 AM | message detail
Man, all those old polls prove is that we've had such a HUUUUUUUUUGE demographic switch in the last ten years. You have to remember that FFX beat SSBM cleanly and easily way back when, too. Those old polls mean squat to me, though seeing FFVIII dominate that poll pleases me like nothing else.

And I'm not sure how much credibility I give this poll either. Again, it's not a popularity contest. I don't see anyone taking that "Which character do you want to see in Brawl?" poll seriously.
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transience | Posted 8/4/2008 9:12:58 AM | message detail
Poll 1181 (02/27/2003)
What's your favorite Super Mario game?

3645 6.56% Super Mario Bros.
483 0.87% Super Mario Bros. Lost Levels
2500 4.50% Super Mario Bros. 2
16880 30.38% Super Mario Bros. 3
1151 2.07% Super Mario Land
451 0.81% Super Mario Land 2
11012 19.82% Super Mario World
1929 3.47% Super Mario World 2
12164 21.89% Super Mario 64
5345 9.62% Super Mario Sunshine

kinda disappointing here, I thought, considering there's only Sunshine for 3d platformers to compete with it.

Poll 1010 (09/09/2002)
Which Super Mario game do you think is the best of all time?

3851 7.12% Super Mario Bros.
276 0.51% Super Mario Bros. 2 (Japan)
2104 3.89% Super Mario Bros. 2 (US)
15748 29.12% Super Mario Bros. 3
1041 1.92% Super Mario Land
393 0.73% Super Mario Land 2
11283 20.86% Super Mario World
2789 5.16% Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
9616 17.78% Super Mario 64
6983 12.91% Super Mario Sunshine

the same poll in 2002, where it does arguably worse -- or rather, Sunshine does better.

Poll 267 (08/23/2000)
Which Super Mario game is your favorite?

532 5.72% Super Mario Brothers
95 1.02% Super Mario Brothers: The Lost Levels
538 5.79% Super Mario Brothers 2
2614 28.11% Super Mario Brothers 3
197 2.12% Super Mario Land
89 0.96% Super Mario Land 2
1398 15.03% Super Mario World
394 4.24% Super Mario World 2
2550 27.42% Super Mario 64
892 9.59% I didn't like any of them

TOTAL VOTES: 9299

heh, this is more like it. but it's so old.

Poll 263 (08/19/2000)
What do you think is the best Nintendo 64 game of all time (so far)?

125 1.30% Banjo-Kazooie
59 0.62% Donkey Kong 64
66 0.69% F-Zero X
1516 15.81% Goldeneye
358 3.73% Harvest Moon 64
84 0.88% Jet Force Gemini
1625 16.95% Perfect Dark
217 2.26% Pokemon Stadium
195 2.03% Resident Evil 2
474 4.94% Super Mario 64
778 8.12% Super Smash Brothers
3537 36.89% Zelda: Ocarina of Time
553 5.77% Other

TOTAL VOTES: 9587

whoa!
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