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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 552

MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/2/2008 11:42:19 AM | message detail

KamikazePotato (#048)
Why anyone would want any more FFVI characters into the contest is beyond me. None of them are very good and they're all destined to fail.



well, the difference is that we haven't gotten a fan-favorite in yet. sure, this argument doesn't hold much water but i'm hopeful.

i'm pretty confident in seeing Shadow as a fan-favorite; kinda like Auron or Vivi. FFVI is too big of a game to have Shadow be below fodder methinks. or at least Cecil.

as for SMK vs MMX, my gut tells me SMK. not much explaining to it, really.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/2/2008 11:45:20 AM | message detail
Also, keep SSB out of the N64 poll just to make it interesting. Otherwise, it'll be a slaughter.

With both LoZ:MM and Goldeneye (despite PD), I can't see it being a slaughter in SSB's favor. It may win, but I would be shocked if it was a blow-out of sorts.
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transience | Posted 8/2/2008 11:46:11 AM | message detail
gotta agree. SSB is something we haven't seen. let's quantify it.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/2/2008 11:51:55 AM | message detail
well, the difference is that we haven't gotten a fan-favorite in yet. sure, this argument doesn't hold much water but i'm hopeful.

Kefka is the FFVI fan favorite. Anyone else who says otherwise is wrong. He's the most memorable character, the only memorable villain, and there are too many party members for there to be a true fan favorite like Auron.

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HaRRicH | Posted 8/2/2008 11:54:39 AM | message detail
Also, on the MMX/SMK discussion...give me SMK. I think "Mega Man" in the Series Contest unintentionally embodies more than just the original MM games, thus making it likely stronger than the MMX series. Throw in that SMK is probably the second strongest MK game, that it sold wonderfully for the SNES, and that SMK is beating MMX right now despite having another Nintendo game in the poll (EB SFF'ing SMK? Eh...it's worth noting just in case) makes me think SMK > MMX. It's not out of MMX's reach, but this poll's not doing anything to convince me otherwise despite this poll not being terribly credible.

Oh, and as a MM-original fan, I'll play almost any MM game over MMX. It's still a fun game, but...just not my style as much.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/2/2008 11:56:23 AM | message detail
Also, just to ask...would anybody dare to take Earthbound > SMK?
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transience | Posted 8/2/2008 11:57:47 AM | message detail
yup, I like every NES MM game over MMX. but I still think of MMX as being in the Mega Man series. you have to look at the Mega Man series as encompassing ALL Mega Man games, including MMX. regular people aren't going to distinguish MM from MMX.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/2/2008 11:57:55 AM | message detail
As a tremendous EB fan, probably the second-biggest on the board...SMK would double it.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/2/2008 11:59:10 AM | message detail
then why is MMX losing to SMK here?

Because people don't have taste
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/2/2008 12:00:49 PM | message detail
EB? over SMK? if Doom can beat it as can Mortal Kombat, i don't see why SMK couldn't.

Kefka is the FFVI fan favorite.

i mean in terms of heroes. i'm not sure but i think there was a poll somewhere that had Shadow waaaay ahead of the women. it's gotta be worth thinking about at least for a second.

plus he's a ninja!
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transience | Posted 8/2/2008 12:02:04 PM | message detail
get Shadow outta here. the only, and I mean the ONLY characters that have the potential to be worth anything are Locke and Mog. and even that's a damn longshot.
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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2008 12:03:18 PM | message detail
If you're going to nominate another Final Fantasy character you might as well make it one that would be worth something. Might as well go for another FF7 character or something.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/2/2008 12:03:25 PM | message detail
Mog would dominate a four-pack full of filler RPG and Action/Adventure characters
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/2/2008 12:09:52 PM | message detail
I figure the same about EB, but how about a SMK/Doom match?




As for the FF3/6 debate: I would help nominate Locke or maybe Mog, but nobody else. Shadow might be worthwhile, but I wouldn't support him with either a vote or a nomination. Locke and Mog are longshots too.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/2/2008 12:10:39 PM | message detail

transience | Posted 8/2/2008 3:02:04 PM (#061)
get Shadow outta here. the only, and I mean the ONLY characters that have the potential to be worth anything are Locke and Mog. and even that's a damn longshot.



Shadow and Mog would do well, Locke is overrated tripe and an overall garbage character. I don't like him.

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HaRRicH | Posted 8/2/2008 12:16:50 PM | message detail
3:10 update:

Chrono Trigger 26.18% 13694
Earthbound 22.29% 11659
Final Fantasy IV (II) 2.54% 1330
Final Fantasy VI (III) 10.93% 5716
Mega Man X 11.63% 6084
Secret of Evermore 1.78% 930
Secret of Mana 9.75% 5098
Super Mario Kart 14.91% 7799
TOTAL VOTES 52310

I meant to start the watch around 2:30, but whatever.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/2/2008 12:16:51 PM | message detail
Why anyone would want any more FFVI characters into the contest is beyond me. None of them are very good and they're all destined to fail.

Because you've got to have fodder somewhere, so it might as well be good fodder!

Poll 847 (03/31/2002)
Who is your favorite Final Fantasy VI character?

2300 7.95% Celes
1433 4.96% Cyan
2226 7.70% Edgar
409 1.41% Gau
651 2.25% Gogo
3823 13.22% Locke
3198 11.06% Mog
300 1.04% Relm
4351 15.05% Sabin
1150 3.98% Setzer
5983 20.69% Shadow
177 0.61% Strago
2543 8.79% Terra
374 1.29% Umaro

There's the old poll, with Shadow clearly on top, with over a fifth of the vote with that huge cast. Also, seeing that people seem to prefer Sabin over Edgar two-to-one pleases me. I like Edgar, but Sabin is the superior brother!

Also, whoever suggested that all MM games will perform the same (or at least close) is crazy. Sure, a person may LIKE all of the games (though that's not necessarily true), but they like them different amounts. I like just about every Final Fantasy game in the series, but I like them different amounts. There are games I'd vote FFVII over that I wouldn't vote, say, FFV over.

And Earthbound would NOT beat Mario Kart. Can't see it losing to Doom or Mortal Kombat. Then again, I've been wrong before.

I'd kinda like to see SFII/Mario Kart, now that I think about it.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/2/2008 12:18:35 PM | message detail
...I'll go with SF2, but it would be good! Makes you wonder how close SMRPG and SMK are.....
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transience | Posted 8/2/2008 12:19:22 PM | message detail
Sabin is my fave of the bunch, and the only one that I like more than a little.

he's not more popular than Kefka, though, and this eternal search for the strong FF6 character has dragged on way longer than it should have. it should have died when Celes got beat down by the Boss.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/2/2008 12:19:54 PM | message detail
Also, I'm not convinced Mog would do well. Remember that poll we had not long ago asking what your favorite FF mainstay was? Well, if you don't, here it is!

Poll 2746 (05/09/07)
Which Final Fantasy mainstay would you most like to have in real life?

13056 14.03% Airships - The only way to fly
12212 13.12% Chocobos - Better than a taxi
36602 39.33% Magic - Meteo my enemies, Curaga my friends
5279 5.67% Moogles - They're just too cute
6501 6.99% Spiky Hair - The ultimate fashion statement
19412 20.86% Summons - Friends who never let you down

TOTAL VOTES: 93062

Moogles came in dead last, behind spiky hair, for cryin' out loud! That means a picture of Cloud's hair would beat Mog! I know it's not necessarily an indicator that Mog wouldn't do well, but still, chocobos nearly tripled moogles here. Get the Golden Chocobo from FFVII, and I guarantee you it'd give Epona a run for her money!
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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2008 12:20:48 PM | message detail
it should have died when Celes got beat down by the Boss.

Good match right there.

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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2008 12:22:16 PM | message detail
who wants a real life moogle seriously

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transience | Posted 8/2/2008 12:22:27 PM | message detail
yeah, that poll is not exactly credible. :)

who the hell wants a real life moogle besides some weird dude with a fairy fetish
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/2/2008 12:22:35 PM | message detail
Oh, I have no doubt that Kefka would beat Sabin, unfortunately. He's too minor. It's kinda like Zell getting second in that Favorite FFVIII poll. I still don't want to see him in a contest.

Well, I kinda do, just to get ANY other FFVIII character into a contest, but he wouldn't be my first choice. I'd go with Laguna, Seifer, or even Rinoa before Zell.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/2/2008 12:23:08 PM | message detail
Don't act like you've never wanted to play with that bon-bon!
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transience | Posted 8/2/2008 12:25:28 PM | message detail
uhhh
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/2/2008 12:27:09 PM | message detail
Seriously though, moogles are more of an old school Final Fantasy mainstay, really. They're not prevalent (or even existent) in some of the more popular ones, except for FFVI.

Cait Sith's mog would beat Mog.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/2/2008 12:31:57 PM | message detail
Yeah, the moogle is like the thing I want the LEAST out of that poll.

"Do you like moogles? Yes? Would you rather take a moogle home or an airship? Airship, you said? ...**** Mog in a contest then."
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transience | Posted 8/2/2008 12:32:20 PM | message detail
here's the thing with Shadow vs. Mog

http://www.ffcompendium.com/art/6-shadow-a.jpg

vs.

http://www.geocities.com/wasmoo1/images/Mog2.gif

one's recognizable. one, not so much. Shadow would be like that MGS4 Raiden pic on steroids -- "who is that?"
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/2/2008 12:33:29 PM | message detail
HaRR knows what he's talking about!

Seriously though, I have serious doubts about Mog, and I always have. I don't see the appeal, other than the fact that he's a moogle, which has been in several FF games. I really don't expect that to do much for him.

...Unless Mog's theme is playing during the poll.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/2/2008 12:34:42 PM | message detail
I gave you a non-Amano Shadow that Bacon could use!

...And that's sorta the main reason I don't want to see Locke. The only PSX FMV shots of Locke are of his hands and of the back of his head.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/2/2008 12:35:01 PM | message detail
Hey, hey, moogles were in FFIX, the most popular game in the series!

(in a perfect world)

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/2/2008 12:35:03 PM | message detail
my god is that shadow art horrible.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/2/2008 12:35:34 PM | message detail
Stiltzkin for Noble Nine.
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transience | Posted 8/2/2008 12:35:46 PM | message detail
"could" use!

I don't have high hopes for Mog, either. I'm saying that he has the potential to do something, whereas Shadow and Locke's potential are to be high-end fodder.
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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2008 12:37:02 PM | message detail
we need a norstein bekkler rally

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transience | Posted 8/2/2008 12:37:47 PM | message detail
amen
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/2/2008 12:38:58 PM | message detail
We should rally for Edgar, because then he can get this picture:

http://valiantknife.org/locke/images/edgarfigarodestroyerofworlds.gif

And be all like, "Ooooooooh, vote for me!"
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transience | Posted 8/2/2008 12:39:45 PM | message detail
okay, with that picture, I declare a moratorium on FF6 discussion.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/2/2008 12:41:08 PM | message detail
You dare defy the Destroyer of Worlds?!

Seriously though, I think it's time to play some games or something. I'm getting a little loopy.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/2/2008 6:26:06 PM | message detail
So, uhhh...

Mario Kart 64
Street Fighter II

Sonic the Hedgehog
Mega Man X
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/2/2008 6:28:09 PM | message detail
If you guys are looking for worthwhile Final Fantasy characters, look no further.

http://www.ffcompendium.com/art/5-gilgamesh-a.jpg
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/2/2008 6:29:41 PM | message detail
Give me the FFXII Gilgamesh holding the Buster Sword, the gunblade, and the Brotherhood, and you've got an instant midcarder!
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/2/2008 6:30:53 PM | message detail
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/4/45/FF12Gilgamesh.JPG

Let's do this.
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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2008 6:31:31 PM | message detail
time to nominate

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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/2/2008 6:34:04 PM | message detail
I'm sold.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/2/2008 6:34:59 PM | message detail
I'd take MMX > SFII

And then I would laugh as the board proves that they learned nothing from the Series Contest >_>
MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/2/2008 6:35:48 PM | message detail
Mario Kart 64 > Street Fighter II. i doubt it's that less popular than Super Mario RPG.

uh... Mega Man X > Sonic the Hedgehog. i think Sonic 2 would struggle.

you know MK64 pretty much owns the fourpack.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/2/2008 6:38:46 PM | message detail
i'm not sure if the series contest has much to do with it. i'm pretty sure the majority would go based on games.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/2/2008 6:45:39 PM | message detail
Alright....so assuming we have an N64 poll tomorrow...

Majora's Mask
Mega Man 64
WWF No Mercy
Super Smash Brothers
Goldeneye
Ogre Battle 64 (Shut it, I want this in the poll!)
Banjo-Kazooie

...just name off games that I'm almost certainly missing. >_>
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