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ToadYoshi | Posted 7/24/2008 6:17:11 AM | message detail
I think most people who know Yoshi are gonna know him from Mario Kart of SSB series, both give him a large casual following.
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H__RR____H | Posted 7/24/2008 8:17:37 AM | message detail
I don't think the SSB series is a good spot for him to get his popularity, though he's one of the originals. Two jumps was frustrating for many people and he's never been terribly good to my knowledge...

...meanwhile, SMW had him ridable with different colors and powers, and he was very useful. I also assume SMW sold many more copies than any SSB game when you count pack-ins with the SNES, though I don't know that as a fact. Even in SM64, Yoshi's gift to the players was a driving reason to get all 120 stars, and that sold more than probably anything else on the N64 too.
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ToadYoshi | Posted 7/24/2008 8:22:44 AM | message detail
I don't think people care if Yoshi is good or not. They just care that he's Yoshi.
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H__RR____H | Posted 7/24/2008 8:31:58 AM | message detail
Oh, I shouldn't imply that he's gotta be top-tier to be likable. I meant that he is just more frustrating to become accustomed to when he comes from other casual-friendly games like SMW and the Mario Kart games...

...and, though there is truth that "They just care that he's Yoshi," that probably directly stems from him being very likable in SMW and/or the Mario Kart games. That's why I wonder if SSB/M/B means as much to him as the MK series or SMW.
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Haste_2 | Posted 7/24/2008 8:40:18 AM | message detail
Cecil was tripled by Kirby back in SC2K5. Since then, FF4A was released, and now FF4DS is out. I'd like to see Cecil in action again...... maybe he could beat Terra now. >_>

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nintendogirl1 | Posted 7/24/2008 8:41:13 AM | message detail
I just found out the PSX had 132 million sellers compared to the N64's 49. Thats INSANE.
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H__RR____H | Posted 7/24/2008 8:41:52 AM | message detail
...I now see the poll was talking about FF4, not FF3/6.

Damn.
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H__RR____H | Posted 7/24/2008 10:49:39 AM | message detail
Well...not much to talk about. This ought to spark something: who do you think would be the best opponent for the following people?


Yoshi -

Solid Snake -

Kratos -

Auron -

Ike -
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 7/24/2008 10:53:43 AM | message detail
Yoshi - umm....Sora maybe? That'd be interesting to see.

Solid Snake - Samus Aran, for obvious reasons

Kratos - ...uhh....Let's give him DK one-on-one. That looks fun.

Auron - umm....Vincent, maybe?

Ike - Honestly....I'd love to see Ike vs. Frog or Magus, just to see how little we think of the lesser CT characters nowadays.
H__RR____H | Posted 7/24/2008 11:21:46 AM | message detail
Yoshi - I'll say a rematch with Dante. Does DMC4 going multi-platform compete with Yoshi's appearance in SSBB, MKW, and the epic 0.71% increase in women?

Solid Snake - At this point, I'm willing to say Solid's closer to Mario than Samus...but I feel better about Samus's ability to beat Solid than Solid's ability to beat Mario, if that makes sense. Either one's fine.

Kratos - Kratos/Kirby, like it should have been last year without L-Block and DK in the way.

Auron - Squall, hands down. Win or lose, that's going to cause a lot of debate, some good controversy, and likely a very close match.

Ike - I want to give Ike some credit, but he took third last year while Duke Nukem and Gordon Freeman split each other and Marth still clearly lost to DK. Hmmm...how about Wario?
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voltch | Posted 7/24/2008 11:33:54 AM | message detail
Yoshi -Zero,after beating Dante and getting a few boost since I reckon yoshi could have a good match with Zero.

Solid Snake -Samus,but depending on when CTDS and the contest is out a match vs Crono could be interesting depending on the DS game's reception.

Kratos -rematch with Alucard would be cool.

Auron -huh,SFIV Ryu?or Squall.

Ike - Pac-Man.

on another note what's the consensus on Tifa vs Vincent match?
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swirIdude | Posted 7/24/2008 11:38:13 AM | message detail
Altair was the Guru pick for the next Character Battle, right? Any other similar big rallies for characters?
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H__RR____H | Posted 7/24/2008 11:41:56 AM | message detail
I'd have to give it to Vincent. I argued for Tifa as long as I could, but I'm not gonna stand behind Samus/Tifa being anywhere near legit and Vincent has shown he can more legitimately compete with the lower Noble Nine. Throw in the old FF7-polls saying Vincent > Tifa, Vincent getting his own game compared to a cameo in KH2, and Vincent having more awesome scenes in FF:AC...it'd be close and respectable both ways, but I'll take Vincent.
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H__RR____H | Posted 7/24/2008 11:43:30 AM | message detail
Yes, Altair's the big winner for the Gurus. I don't know of any other big rallies for characters.
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voltch | Posted 7/24/2008 11:48:12 AM | message detail
At first I would have taken Tifa,but even if they are FFVII characters they seem to have branched out in different directions,I see it like a cloud vs sephiroth match as in the SFF isn't really noticeable.

oh and with the lower noble nine all finding reasons to boost it's actually becoming more and more unpredictable to rank them,so matches between them could be quite exciting post MM9,CTDS and Sonic games,at this rate I really don't think Vincent is quite ready to take them on unless he's up against sprite snake.
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ToadYoshi | Posted 7/24/2008 11:49:14 AM | message detail
Yoshi - Sora sounds good. Maybe Auron, because I have ridiculous optimism for Yoshi <_<

Solid Snake - L Block-the rivalry continues!

Kratos - Scorpion maybe? I'd pick Scorpion though.

Auron - Yoshi.

Ike - Frog. EPIC match. Both sides would choke up the lead at least twice.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/24/2008 12:18:34 PM | message detail
Vincent having more awesome scenes in FF:AC.

eh? I like Vincent more than Tifa and all, but Tifa's AC fight was way better than anything Vincent did (I'd say it was the best scene in the movie, actually).
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 7/24/2008 1:08:30 PM | message detail
Yoshi - Sora. I agree with the others. Zero? After what Luigi did to him?

Snake - Samus (Obvious). Sonic could also be interesting if all his upcoming games are as good as they seems to be (which is very unlikely)

Kratos - Masterchief.

Auron - Gimme Squall, this is a match that could go either way.

Ike - Captain Falcon maybe, I didn't understand why people thought Ike would advance in his fourpack against the Duke and Gordon Freeman (Heck on any place that isn't NintendoFAQs, even Guybrush would've beat him) Now with Brawl, I think he's up there with Captain Falcon. Marth would beat him.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 7/24/2008 1:12:01 PM | message detail
Yoshi - Diddy Kong, plz

Solid Snake - I wanna see my boy tackle Link sometime soon, just to see what happens.

Kratos - Umm...Marcus Fenix. Yeah, let's see how much he does to this guy in a first round match.

Auron - Raiden(MGS4)

Ike - Marth. I wanna see who the FE favorite is.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/24/2008 1:32:39 PM | message detail
Kratos - Scorpion maybe? I'd pick Scorpion though.

are you sure? i'd probably take Kratos over Sub-Zero alone, and Scorpion can't be anywhere near Sub-Zero.

Now with Brawl, I think he's up there with Captain Falcon.

With his own game, I'd say he's a bit above Falcon at least.

also i'd be confident with Frog > Ike. I don't expect him to be that close to Donkey Kong, like, ever.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/24/2008 1:42:41 PM | message detail
Yeah, Frog definitely beats Ike, but if this happens before CTDS then I could see people biting for the upset.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/24/2008 2:00:24 PM | message detail
the last time we saw Frog had him struggling with Axel; but i don't really trust that format to begin with.

besides that, he got 30% on Samus; only a year later that Rikku did a percent better.

despite all the possible drop he could make, I think he's at least still a solid mid-carder which is more than what I can say for Ike.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/24/2008 2:53:25 PM | message detail
also i'd be confident with Frog > Ike. I don't expect him to be that close to Donkey Kong, like, ever.

Uh, Donkey Kong would destroy Frog.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 7/24/2008 2:53:34 PM | message detail
I dunno, I think Subby could do it. We've seen what a big Icon of the 90's he's. After Mario, Sonic, Donkey Kong, Mega Man, Ryu and Link, there weren't many who was more liked than Sub-Zero
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/24/2008 3:07:12 PM | message detail
Uh, Donkey Kong would destroy Frog.

if by 'destroy' you mean 'beat with 55% at best.

i still think they're reasonably near each other no more than that range. they both faced Master Chief a year apart (with DK facing one with Halo 2 i think? either way they can't be ridiculously far away or anything).

i think in order for Ike to win that match, it'd be more about Frog's weakness than Ike's strength. if Frog dropped relatively little since then, he's still around people like Alucard and decently about Ryu Hayabusa (who I think would have a good match with Ike as it is).




and yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if Sub beat Kratos. it would only mean he didn't get much from GoW2
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/24/2008 3:19:23 PM | message detail
Since then, DK's had all the DKC games become top sellers on the VC, SSBB, and the Nintendo boost. CT's 2k7 performance in general was pretty embarrassing, Frog included.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/24/2008 3:38:08 PM | message detail
eh, i'll concede to the notion that the CT crew most likely dropped but how fast can the #3 game on gamefaqs actually dip?

i don't like the results of 07 myself. it's not like DK did anything stellar himself.
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Canth | Posted 7/24/2008 4:13:57 PM | message detail
Solid Snake - I wanna see my boy tackle Link sometime soon, just to see what happens.

I know I'd like to see this too, just to see Link dish out yet another 60-40 beating on a NN member, despite Snake being stronger than ever.

(Yes, I honestly think Link could 60-40 Snake, maybe more. Of course, I'm of the opinion that Link would break 55% on Cloud this year. Gut feeling.)
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 7/24/2008 4:26:22 PM | message detail
Wait, people are doubting DK > Frog? I'd feel fairly comfortable taking DK over Magus, personally. >_>
MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/24/2008 6:03:41 PM | message detail
Wait, people are doubting DK > Frog?

i don't doubt it. DK is the safe bet pretty much and if Frog dropped at all then DK can at least scrape by. i don't believe DK boosts by Brawl though. he's DK for crying out loud.

though why would you feel confident with DK > Magus? that'd match be pretty close right now if you ask me. the winner won't win anymore than say, 52%.

oh, and Link is still a beast btw. I don't know why Snake would even break 40%. 40% on the actual Link himself is a very huge accomplishment. you can do that to 2k3 Link, but today's Link? just think how much stronger today's Link is compared to 2k3 Link.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 7/24/2008 6:18:52 PM | message detail
just think how much stronger today's Link is compared to 2k3 Link.

According to lol x-stats:

Link (2007c) VS Link (2003c)

Link has a strength of 59.90.
Link has a strength of 50.00.

Link wins with 58.26% of the vote!
A win of 28,996 with 175,442 total votes cast.


Also according to lol x-stats:

Link (2007c) VS Snake (2007c)

Link has a strength of 59.90.
Snake has a strength of 45.41.

Link wins with 62.10% of the vote!
A win of 47,258 with 195,360 total votes cast.


If Snake's SSBB support abandons him, that match gets really messy.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 7/24/2008 6:24:28 PM | message detail
though why would you feel confident with DK > Magus? that'd match be pretty close right now if you ask me. the winner won't win anymore than say, 52%.

Because Magus was closer to Phoenix Wright than he was to Big Boss. Magus got absolutely smoked by a character who I would take DK over without a second though. The Boss, MGS3's most popular non-Big Boss character, is on-par with the Tales of Symphonia characters.

Hell, if "Solid Snake with an eyepatch" had that much of an impact, then Magus actually looked better than he should have. Had Magus looked decent in his first match, then I'd have doubts in DK, but as it stands DK proved what we've already known since 2k2, that DK is popular, but very few actually love the guy. He had two matches with two guys who are more popular in Smash than he is.

Magus, on the other hand, had every reason to look dominant, or at least remotely strong.
ZFS | Posted 7/24/2008 6:28:27 PM | message detail
just to see Link dish out yet another 60-40 beating on a NN member

Snake isn't the one you'll see this happen to.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/24/2008 6:56:00 PM | message detail
it's hard for me to take anything from that match. however i do think big boss really benefited from that picture.

either way i cant say magus being destroyed by a choker like DK regardless of what CT characters do in four way polls.
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ZFS | Posted 7/24/2008 7:03:34 PM | message detail
I'd feel fairly comfortable taking DK over Magus, personally.

well then

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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 7/24/2008 7:05:19 PM | message detail
DK getting 36% on Link, confirmed.
H__RR____H | Posted 7/25/2008 8:02:14 AM | message detail
After SFF.
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_Yonex_ | Posted 7/25/2008 8:09:58 AM | message detail
I think I'm gonna hold a rally for Brock from Pokemon. We've never had a pokemon character in the battle before and I think Brock is the most well-known of all the gym leaders. Anyone interested in nominating him?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/25/2008 9:39:10 AM | message detail
why not misty?
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voltch | Posted 7/25/2008 9:42:47 AM | message detail
go RED!
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 7/25/2008 9:44:09 AM | message detail
Pokemon Trainer would slaughter any other Pokemon-series human, easily. >_>
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 7/25/2008 9:45:17 AM | message detail
After SFF.

Of course. You know, monkeyfear and all.
redrocket | Posted 7/25/2008 12:55:35 PM | message detail
Ok, here's something that confuses me. Why is it that 'Red' is the only name for Pokemon Trainer that is considered canon when 'Ash' is one of the options you can select in game?

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The main character from Pokemon RBY is final final boss of Pokemon GSC and he goes by the name Red. Your rival from Pokemon RBY also appears in Pokemon GSC as a Gym Leader and goes by the name Blue.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 7/25/2008 1:02:58 PM | message detail
I think they generally try to keep the games and the anime seperate. The anime follows the game loosely, but it's not really just the anime version of the game. Kinda hard to explain, but essentially they're two different stories and thus the two characters are different.

Which is a good thing, because Red >>>>>>>> Ash.
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voltch | Posted 7/25/2008 2:03:10 PM | message detail
Red also appears to age,in the manga he goes from 10 to 16 and actually matures,ash took simpsons drugs.
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_Yonex_ | Posted 7/27/2008 5:41:20 AM | message detail
Well, my favourite gym leader is Giovanni, but I figured more people would know Brock because of the Anime and him being the first gym leader and so on. I think he could do well, second round perhaps.
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voltch | Posted 7/27/2008 6:38:13 AM | message detail
brock has anime power like misty.
Red is the playable character that most people called Ash but he might get anti-voted if people confuse the two,Blue on the other is your first rival and should also be a top character,then there's Oak.
A lot of people have played red and blue right?
I wonder what match pics would be used for Red or brock etc...surely not anime pics/
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/27/2008 8:45:52 AM | message detail
i think gameboy art makes the most sense (yes, it exists).
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