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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/23/2008 6:40:20 PM | message detail
I'd rank them

Charizard
Meta-Knight
Diddy Kong
Squirtle
Ike
Lucas
King DeDeDe
Ivysaur
Lucario
Wolf
Wario
Pit
Olimar
R.O.B.

Also, remember that we've all agreed to nominate Charizard for the next Character Battle in place of Mewtwo.

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/23/2008 6:41:22 PM | message detail
For what it's worth, I meant to switch Wario and Dedede.

That said, Dedede is still good and liked in SSBB and has been in the Kirby series since the beginning. He had a fun role in the Subspace Emissary, and he's got a distinct look. He's a gamble and he obviously wouldn't outdo Meta-Knight, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in a lot of matches against other lower-tier SSBB characters.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/23/2008 6:43:31 PM | message detail
no more pokemans
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/23/2008 7:00:23 PM | message detail
meta-knight is a real mystery though. i can see him being weak and at the same time see him being solid. could he actually come close to kirby?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/23/2008 7:00:50 PM | message detail
and i mean close as in.. like, get over 45% on him before SFF of course.
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Big Bob | Posted 6/23/2008 7:05:57 PM | message detail
The only reason the first generation is so loved is because that was the before the whole "pokeyman is teh kiddiez" thing.

I'm still more interested in nominating the Pokemon Trainer.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/23/2008 7:13:42 PM | message detail
I'll go ahead and say no -- I think MK will do well, but...not Kirby-well or that close to it.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/23/2008 7:35:17 PM | message detail
Well, it's obvious that Meta-Knight is below Fox but above Wario, but where either one of them stands is anyone's guess at this point.

...Would anyone take Meta-Knight one-on-one over Peach?
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 12:35:19 AM | message detail
Pre-SSBB, of course not (even after their four-way match last year)...post-SSBB, yeah.
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/24/2008 7:37:19 AM | message detail
Charizard
Meta-Knight
Diddy Kong
Ike
Squirtle
Wario
Lucario
Ivysaur
Pit
Dedede
Wolf
Pokemon Trainer
Olimar
Lucas
R.O.B.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/24/2008 12:09:10 PM | message detail
I suppose I'll give my opinion here:

Charizard
Diddy Kong
Meta-Knight
Ike
Squirtle
Pit
Wolf
Lucario
Ivysaur
Wario
DeDeDe
Pokemon Trainer
Olimar
Lucas
R.O.B.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 6/24/2008 12:31:18 PM | message detail
No matter if it wasn't in brawl, Bulbasaur would beat any pokémon in a poll.

But yeah Charizard is at the top, after him comes Squirtle and then Diddy and then the others are just fourth rate Nintendo characters that I don't expect much from.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 12:50:18 PM | message detail
I'll take MK over Diddy. They're both fan-favorites in their series, and I doubt the DKC and Kirby series are far apart. However, I'm not taking Diddy to be terribly close to DK...and MK showed last year he's not far off from DK by outdoing Peach and Wario pre-SSBB (format be damned). Throw in that MK has been received MUCH better in SSBB than Diddy (in fact, every Kirby character's been better received than DK or Diddy in SSBB) and the DK stock has dropped in recent years, and I'll go with Meta-Knight for that one.

Diddy's got the advantage of being in the Mario spin-offs though, and I do think Diddy would be closer to DK in their series than MK to Kirby...but head-to-head in a general poll, we've seen MK hold up in SFF-battles against bigger Nintendo names. We've also seen MK kick a lot of ass on Ngamer's SSBB-experiment, and MK as well as the Halberd play a big role in SSBB as well. I'll roll with MK.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/24/2008 12:52:19 PM | message detail
Throw in that MK has been received MUCH better in SSBB than Diddy (in fact, every Kirby character's been better received than DK or Diddy in SSBB)

I don't know if that's necessarily true. I've heard plenty of good things about Diddy. A good Diddy player will annoy you more than any other character than perhaps a good Snake.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 1:05:04 PM | message detail
Oh, Diddy's in my top five for SSBB, don't get me wrong -- I use him a lot more than MK. Just saying, looky looky:

http://www.thengamer.com/ssb/results.php
http://www.thengamer.com/ssb/results.php?topfive=ranks

I figure you haven't seen this since it was before you came back. About half of those votes came from GameFAQs, and if memory serves me right GameFAQs favored MK more than the other sites I took the site to. I may try to look in the last topic and see if I can find the pure-GameFAQs numbers...but either way, MK > Diddy in SSBB-favoritism by miles.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/24/2008 1:08:55 PM | message detail
...What are all of those rankings based on, anyway?

Besides, I'm not saying that Meta-Knight isn't a big favorite, SSBB wise. I know he is. I still think Ike is moreso though. Plus, I think DKC and Mario spinoffs COULD make up the difference for Diddy.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 1:12:24 PM | message detail
Essentially based on how much people liked them in SSBB. The first link is decided by random matches generated between characters, and whoever was selected in each match would be given one point while whoever was not selected lost a point. The second link was decided by people picking their top five characters in the game...#1 gets five points, #5 gets one point -- you get the idea. It was inspired by a GameSpot ad and then greatly improved upon, because Ngamer > GameSpot.
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TRE Public Account | Posted 6/24/2008 1:21:54 PM | message detail
I may try to look in the last topic and see if I can find the pure-GameFAQs numbers

Second half of page 6 and top half of page 7:
http://www.thengamer.com/stats/Stats and Discussion Pt501-550/Stats and Discussion Pt549-2/Stats and Discussion Pt549-2 Pg6.htm
http://www.thengamer.com/stats/Stats and Discussion Pt501-550/Stats and Discussion Pt549-2/Stats and Discussion Pt549-2 Pg7.htm
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 2:03:52 PM | message detail
Thanks TRE. Here's the GameFAQs-specific one that was based purely from Board 8 and the SSBB-board:



MATCH-UPS (212)
Rank Name Overall Votes
1 Meta Knight 265
2 Toon Link 241
3 Pokemon Trainer 182
4 Dedede 163
5 Pikachu 158
6 Kirby 156
7 Wolf 151
8 Ike 121
9 Snake 111
10 Lucas 104
11 Marth 68
12 Mr. Game and Watch 64
13 Sonic 57
14 Samus 52
15 Captain Falcon 48
16 Zelda 45
17 Falco 26
18 Fox -10
19 Pit -23
20 Lucario -25
21 Luigi -34
22 Ness -46
23 Ice Climbers -49
24 Olimar -55
25 ROB -76
26 Diddy Kong -101
27 Mario -107
28 Bowser -107
29 Link -110
30 Jigglypuff -122
31 Yoshi -176
32 Donkey Kong -211
33 Peach -226
34 Wario -244
35 Ganondorf -286

TOP FIVE (143)
Rank Name Top 5 Points
1 Ike 134
2 Toon Link 115
3 Lucas 99
4 Snake 97
5 Wolf 96
6 Zelda 87
7 Marth 85
8 Pikachu 84
9 Pokemon Trainer 82
10 Sonic 78
11 Pit 77
12 Lucario 74
13 Falco 73
14 Samus 72
15 Meta Knight 72
16 Mr. Game and Watch 68
17 Dedede 65
18 Captain Falcon 64
19 Ganondorf 47
20 Kirby 46
21 Yoshi 46
22 Ness 46
23 ROB 46
24 Olimar 46
25 Diddy Kong 45
26 Wario 43
27 Luigi 43
28 Link 35
29 Mario 34
30 Peach 32
31 Ice Climbers 25
32 Jigglypuff 24
33 Fox 20
34 Donkey Kong 15
35 Bowser 15




Of course, these are from GameFAQs users and not just the general crowd, and this came from when the game was just about two months old. Still though, worthwhile numbers if you care about the SSBB-fanbase.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/24/2008 2:05:27 PM | message detail
Just remember, you always have to take what Board 8 says with a grain of salt because it generally doesn't reflect the opinion of the average gamer, especially with such a small sample.

Otherwise, Magus would be winning all of the contests around here.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/24/2008 2:14:32 PM | message detail
They're both fan-favorites in their series, and I doubt the DKC and Kirby series are far apart.

i'm not sure about you, but i'd take DKC and DKC2 combined over the entire kirby series.
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Janus5000 | Posted 6/24/2008 2:18:34 PM | message detail
Otherwise, Magus would be winning all of the contests around here.

Where have you been? Now it's all about Phoenix Wright.

...Okay, and Snake.
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Big Bob | Posted 6/24/2008 2:19:37 PM | message detail
Donkey Kong didn't even make it into the series contest.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/24/2008 2:22:47 PM | message detail
it was only board 8 nominated. i really wouldn't put DKC THAT below metroid, ya know.
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greatone10 | Posted 6/24/2008 2:44:12 PM | message detail
Donkey Kong also had the disadvantage of getting noms as both "Donkey Kong" and "Donkey Kong Country". We can't say for sure whether or not those were counted as the same
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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/24/2008 2:44:53 PM | message detail
Considering how Ceej dealt with Chrono, I'd wager they were counted separately.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 2:51:25 PM | message detail
It may be largely influenced by B8, but it's also combined with the SSBB-board...and when I took it to other sites, it still didn't do any favors for Diddy in a MK/Diddy match.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 2:53:15 PM | message detail
Also...I'd probably take DK's games -- DK and DKC combined -- over Kirby's series, but I'm not taking DKC > Kirby.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/24/2008 2:54:31 PM | message detail
From LeonhartFour Posted 6/23/2008 10:35:17 PM #108
Well, it's obvious that Meta-Knight is below Fox but above Wario, but where either one of them stands is anyone's guess at this point.

...Would anyone take Meta-Knight one-on-one over Peach?


I would.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/24/2008 2:54:52 PM | message detail
Well, just remember that you're talking about SSBB alone. There are characters I'd rather play as in Brawl that I don't necessarily like better than someone else. Sure, a lot of people play with their favorites, but not always.

For example, I'd rather play as...well, most characters over Bowser, but I'd still vote him one-on-one in a Character Battle over most of the ones in Brawl.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 6:03:55 PM | message detail
Understandable though I think we've always clashed on the extent of how much/little SSB/M/B matters to characters. Diddy does have more exposure too, plus he probably means more to the DKC games (or even the DK games as a whole) than MK to the Kirby games. There's an easy-yet-close case for both characters.

I just figure MK's held up well enough to Mario staples and a SSB/M-elite before SSBB even dropped, and MK's looking to be much more favored in that game than Diddy. I haven't played recent games from either of their series, but both of those characters seem to have dropped off in recent years as far as having reasons to be excited about them too, until SSBB. Throw in that SSBB's the current GotY by a blow-out and that it tried to incorporate some story-line for the characters this time (although vaguely), and I'll give MK the edge.
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Aprosenf | Posted 6/24/2008 6:57:49 PM | message detail
From page 1:

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/24/2008 7:01:17 PM | message detail
Here's my Brawl char rankings

Diddy Kong
Pokemon Trainer(Charizard, Squirtle, Ivysaur in that order)
Wario
Wolf
Meta-Knight
Lucas
Olimar
Pit
King DeDeDe
Ike
R.O.B
Lucario

yeah..that sounds pretty good

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/24/2008 7:01:27 PM | message detail
Throw in that SSBB's the current GotY by a blow-out and that it tried to incorporate some story-line for the characters this time (although vaguely), and I'll give MK the edge.

That's what people said about Midna, and look what happened to her.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 6/24/2008 9:32:33 PM | message detail
Brawl's a whole other league from TP. Ike and Meta-Knight did pretty well coasting mostly on Brawl-hype, and let's not forget Snake.

I really want to see another character contest soon because I want to see how unbelievably godly the Nintendo crew is now. I'm always in the mood for a few good laughs.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 9:44:22 PM | message detail
We were big on Midna for three reasons:

1) LoZ:TP was huge (already acknowledged).
2) Midna was a more personable Navi in many ways.
3) It shouldn't be hard to double Tingle.

Alas, Midna failed, but I don't relate that to SSBB. We were anxious to see a new LoZ-contender (and Epona didn't get the noms.....), and we've already seen MK in action and exceeding most expectations pre-SSBB. We have strong samples suggesting MK is among the most favored from SSBB, too, as opposed to general mixed talk that Midna was liked or disliked by many (and that many said you had to beat the game to like Midna).

I don't think it's the same situation.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 9:45:39 PM | message detail
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 9:47:31 PM | message detail
And, hey, for kicks: Midna isn't playable.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/24/2008 9:51:47 PM | message detail
Oh, I was just countering your point that it mattered that SSBB had more of a story focus. I see that as being pretty much completely irrelevant.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 9:56:49 PM | message detail
Ah, gotcha'. I still think it's significant to the characters in the Subspace because the series had never had it before, though the story and the lack of focus on many characters won't help a lot in the long run for some like what you're saying.

We'll get to see just how much it really matters come time for the characters to battle again...though we'll also have to understand that it looks like SSBB is bigger now than SSBM ever was.
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THEVinceYoung | Posted 6/24/2008 9:58:16 PM | message detail
I seriously doubt that the Subspace Emissary does anything for anyone. It's rather...forgettable overall.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 10:01:36 PM | message detail
The cutscenes kick ass, but the story's lackluster and vague. It's like they tried to tell a story through only cool cutscenes...

...which is fun and gives good moments to remember characters by. It's just not fulfilling. I'm interested to see if it matters or not.
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NominateSerge | Posted 6/24/2008 10:02:46 PM | message detail
I don't think it gives ANY good moments to remember the characters by. I can barely remember what any of them did, except for Snake, Luigi, Sonic, Kirby (Only for the Dragoon), and DeDeDe.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 10:08:21 PM | message detail
Haha, and you liked them all before SSBB anyway (except maybe Dedede, but I know you're a Kirby fan). I don't remember Luigi, but I remember those plus Bowser, Captain Falcon, Wario, Mario (mainly for his big angry punch!) and Marth pretty clearly...not to mention NPCs like several of the bosses.

I've played through it twice though, which is something I don't think most SSBB-players have done...hmmmm.
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NominateSerge | Posted 6/24/2008 10:10:49 PM | message detail
I only remember DeDeDe because he owned the mess out of Luigi, and the little badges.

Oh, and Bowser owning the Ganondorf statue was pretty awesome, too.
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Big Bob | Posted 6/24/2008 10:58:28 PM | message detail
And Captain Falcon isn't mentioned anywhere?

Not that he had a large part in SSE, but his intro was probably the most memorable scene in the whole game.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2008 11:00:22 PM | message detail
I mentioned him, settle!
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NominateSerge | Posted 6/24/2008 11:00:41 PM | message detail
Captain Falcon is a jerk in SSE.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/25/2008 11:57:05 AM | message detail
I beat you Olimar doesn't think so.
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