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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 549 (#2)
| daverath | Posted 4/4/2008 9:06:24 AM | message detail |
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between brawl and mgs4 hype this late summer, who will beat snake? can
he crack clinkeroth in 1v1? I would definitely take him over sephiroth
and probably over cloud too. I still would have to take link though. --- putting the laughter in manslaughter |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/4/2008 1:15:34 PM | message detail |
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...I'm not taking Solid over Mario yet, much less Sephiroth or especially Cloud. --- Do you like suggesting ideas for contests? Come hither: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 4/4/2008 1:17:17 PM | message detail |
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I'd definitely consider Snake over Mario. --- SSBB Friend Code: 0903-2402-2600 Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2008 2:24:43 PM | message detail |
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wouldnt Mario steal Brawl votes? --- --GENO ALLIANCE-- Supporters of Geno in Super Smash Bros. Brawl - http://thegenoalliance.ytmnd.com/ |
| swirIdude | Posted 4/4/2008 2:41:38 PM | message detail |
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Yes, but Snake would have a new fanbase created by Brawl, while it's an existing one for Mario. --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2008 2:47:57 PM | message detail |
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i thought that 'new fanbase' is what snake at least shares with mario? --- --GENO ALLIANCE-- Supporters of Geno in Super Smash Bros. Brawl - http://thegenoalliance.ytmnd.com/ |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/4/2008 2:51:16 PM | message detail |
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The idea (and it's got considerable support) is no matter how many
Brawl votes Mario can steal, he can't steal them all. For example, SSB
is *the* reason why Samus is Noble Nine, and while Mario did trounce
her directly, she still pulled in over 40% of the vote against him. Once you open the SSB floodgates, there's nowhere a character has to go but up - and the further removed from Nintendo, the better. Consider that Samus was projected to beat Snake with about 55-56% of the vote in 2005, and that's with many having the ill-conceived thought that she was underrated by quite a significant margin. Enter 2006, and Snake's appearance in a trailer alone was able to narrow that margin to 53%. Why shouldn't we presume a margin against Mario (who beat Snake with 57% in 2k5) would be similarly narrowed? Certainly it's hard to envision Snake being held even under 45% in 2006. It's clear that just a trailer can cause voters to change their minds on Snake against well-established Nintendo characters. The actual game itself could produce a staggering result. The counter-argument using something like TP doesn't hold, either - aside from the fact that it's entirely possible Link boosted from 2k6, it's conventional wisdom that TP didn't live up to the hype. Brawl, for the moment, has. Snake has to reverse a 53-47 margin in order to beat Samus this time around. With SSBB and MGS4, it's the humble opinion of this particular fanboy that you have to be WAY in the tank for Samus or an overly conservative bracketmaker to question Snake winning a rematch. Now, reversing a 57-43 margin? That's worth some real discussion. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Haste_2 | Posted 4/4/2008 3:14:50 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't say there's any hardcore proof that Mario would SFF Snake,
but it makes sense based on Samus/Snake and/or fanbase logic.
Indirectly I feel that Snake is stronger than Mario now...last contest
Snake seemed much stronger than his conservative 40%-on-BL in
2K6...heck, excepting the final, he looked stronger than even 43% on
BL. Of course you could blame that on the 4-way format, but I don't
think it's too far fetched to say he may have garnered even more hype
and admiration for whatever reason... or at the very least, I bet he's
gotten stronger after SSBB. Finally, if that's not enough, there's
MGS4. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| Haste_2 | Posted 4/4/2008 3:21:18 PM | message detail |
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Why shouldn't we presume a margin against Mario (who beat Snake with
57% in 2k5) would be similarly narrowed? Certainly it's hard to
envision Snake being held even under 45% in 2006. That's a good point. Maybe Mario wouldn't even SFF Snake at all... and there's no hardcore proof that Samus SFFed Snake, even. But, let's say Snake gained 3 point on Samus... Snake goes up to 46% on Mario, so that's still a fairly significant amount to cover. Of course, then consider SSBB's post-release and MGS4, if it's released in time. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| ZFS | Posted 4/4/2008 3:21:22 PM | message detail |
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wouldnt Mario steal Brawl votes? He can't steal them all. Snake should lose a good chunk of the hardcore Nintendo base that has a newfound reason to vote for him in matches without a high tier Nintendo character, but he'll get a good share for himself from those who love him in Brawl. He may have lost a lot to Samus, but that was when he was nothing but an announcement. Now that people have gotten time to play as him, to see in him actually in the game, I'd imagine he's cemented himself more with the fanbase. But MGS4 should play a bigger role here than Brawl. That's going to do a whole lot more for him, and it's something that he isn't going to lose no matter who he's up against. --- 6.12.2008 -- One Final Mission |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 4/4/2008 5:23:25 PM | message detail |
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The Mario debate is silly to me- characters can come in riding on
increased Nintendo support all they want, but as soon as they hit Mario
or Link their new N-legs will be cut out from under them, as we've seen
countless times now. With Snake, you're talking about a guy who had his
legs snapped in two by Samus,
of all people. True, they were only trailer-legs, but if you think
Mario isn't so much higher on the Nintendo totem pole that he's going
to be slashing Snake's gameplay-legs with just as much ease... well, go
ahead, I'm just trying to warn you that you're throwing away 16 points. My point is, the real match that should be under debate is Snake vs Sephiroth. --- Hot Content A'hoy: thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com PARENTAL ADVISORY - This signature contains Explicit Content. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/4/2008 5:26:07 PM | message detail |
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I would have said Snake a month or so ago, but with Crisis Core out, I
think that turns it back in Sephiroth's favor. Still, this is pre-MGS4,
so who knows, but Crisis Core has to do something for Seph. --- RPG 9/10 Not exactly RPG, let's just say kind of like graphics. winner of a golden trophy |
| ZFS | Posted 4/4/2008 5:52:28 PM | message detail |
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It's hard for me to see Crisis Core being the difference maker. I
couldn't imagine Snake losing because of Crisis Core, but then winning
if it hadn't released. Maybe if Snake only had Brawl. It'd be a touch match for Snake either way, though. But there's never been a better chance for someone to beat him than this year. Snake's got that Nintendo support from Brawl and he's getting his biggest game released in a couple of months. (time to lose sephiroth) --- 6.12.2008 -- One Final Mission |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 4/4/2008 6:09:52 PM | message detail |
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There's only one way to clarify everyone's stances- a copy pastable template! I say Snake vs... Pre-MGS4: Samus - No (barely) Sephiroth - No (though could be tight) Mario - No (not even close) Post-MGS4: Samus - Yes (barely) Sephiroth - Yes (barely) Mario - No (but could be a decent match) --- Hot Content A'hoy: thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com PARENTAL ADVISORY - This signature contains Explicit Content. |
| ZFS | Posted 4/4/2008 9:02:40 PM | message detail |
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Uh...let's see Pre-MGS4: Samus - Yeah Sephiroth - No Mario - No Post-MGS4: Samus - Yes Sephiroth - Yes (major upset right here -- but gotta go with it. This is about as high as Snake could go, I think.) Mario - Yes (depends on the whole Brawl situation, but I'd chance it) --- 6.12.2008 -- One Final Mission |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/4/2008 9:18:02 PM | message detail |
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Any idea what sort of expectations Konami had for The Essential Collection? --- All you love is a lie. Brawl FC: 4253-3155-6697 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/5/2008 2:55:23 AM | message detail |
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The Mario debate is silly to me- characters can come in riding on
increased Nintendo support all they want, but as soon as they hit Mario
or Link their new N-legs will be cut out from under them, as we've seen
countless times now. With Snake, you're talking about a guy who had his
legs snapped in two by Samus, of all people. True, they were only
trailer-legs, but if you think Mario isn't so much higher on the
Nintendo totem pole that he's going to be slashing Snake's
gameplay-legs with just as much ease... well, go ahead, I'm just trying
to warn you that you're throwing away 16 points. My point is, the real match that should be under debate is Snake vs Sephiroth. If you're giving Snake even a remote chance at taking out Sephiroth, you've GOT to be considering Snake/Mario (unless you think Mario is going to be hanging tough with Sephy instead of being held under 45% again). Even if Mario saps his new SSB support 90/10, that's still 10% that Snake wouldn't have otherwise, and him only retaining that much support is conservative to say the least - even Ness could hold on to more than that. It's even more of an edge that Snake has on top of MGS4, and depending on where people are pegging him already (I've heard him already being indirectly stronger than Mario thrown around) to discount him before we even see MGS4's reception is more than premature. But why argue, when you can template? Snake vs... Pre-MGS4: Samus - Yes (but could be close) Sephiroth - No (not even close) Mario - No (not that close) Post-MGS4: Samus - Yes (in a throttling) Sephiroth - No (...still not seeing it being that close, but maybe I've got Clinkeroth blinders on) Mario - Yes (though Mario could easily be argued the favorite... like Mega Man, but what do you expect from me?) --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| voltch | Posted 4/5/2008 7:09:45 AM | message detail |
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come to think of it will Crisis Core send Zack to a contest? --- For some reason I never know what to put here. |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 4/5/2008 7:19:26 AM | message detail |
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Pre-MGS4: Samus - No (barely) Sephiroth - No (But the battle royale match scares me....) Mario - No (not even close, see Super Mario Galaxy) Post-MGS4: Samus - No (Nintendo SFF :P, to be honest I have no idea) Sephiroth - No (Stil no. If MGS4 would be released on a system that people cares about then yes.) Mario - No (Again Super Mario Galaxy.) --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. EC > Me |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 4/7/2008 12:55:35 AM | message detail |
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That's an interesting opinion you have there. --- Hot Content A'hoy: thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com PARENTAL ADVISORY - This signature contains Explicit Content. |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/7/2008 6:52:17 AM | message detail |
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*peeps in stats topic* *sees conversations about Charizard beating Alucard, and Snake beating Sephiroth, Mario, and Samus* *smiles, especially at the thought of Sephiroth losing to someone other than Link or Cloud. It's been a long time coming!* --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 4/7/2008 7:24:24 AM | message detail |
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Pre-MGS4: Samus - Eh, I'd take it Sephiroth - No (not close, especially if Crisis Core actually has an impact) Mario - No (not even close, Mario just tears apart non-Link Nintendo strength, Mario/Samus was only 60/40 because a good number of brackets honestly thought Samus could win) Post-MGS4: Samus - Yes (barely) Sephiroth - No Mario - No (In terms of a boost, I don't think MGS4 will do anything close to what Brawl did for Snake. Snake was *possibly* the second-most cult Noble Niner pre-Brawl announcement, MGS4 won't help make Snake more well-known with a fanbase like what Brawl did) --- ...I'm still War13104! "and seriously, white flags, god damnit. v.v" - ExThaNemesis, 11:44 PM EST, 1/28/07 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/7/2008 8:33:05 AM | message detail |
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hmm.. now that i think about it, charizard vs alucard is pretty hard
for me. id probably go for alucard since id struggle to take him over
mewtwo as well. but being a starter and having a brawl appearance may be dangerous.. --- --GENO ALLIANCE-- Supporters of Geno in Super Smash Bros. Brawl - http://thegenoalliance.ytmnd.com/ |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/7/2008 10:10:02 AM | message detail |
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...Charizard could potentially win over Alucard, yeah. I'll probably
give Alucard the benefit of the doubt this year, but, I mean, I dunno.
That would be a good match. --- Do you like suggesting ideas for contests? Come hither: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| ZFS | Posted 4/7/2008 12:17:43 PM | message detail |
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(not even close, Mario just tears apart non-Link Nintendo strength,
Mario/Samus was only 60/40 because a good number of brackets honestly
thought Samus could win) How much are we talking here? After Mario had gotten his crazy boost but before Brawl was even noteworthy, Snake pulled in 43% against him. There's certainly no way that Snake does worse than that today, especially with Brawl in his corner. So what are people really expecting from that match right now, percentage-wise? Choosing Mario is understandable, but the talk seems to imply that Mario just runs away with it. Can't agree there. Any idea what sort of expectations Konami had for The Essential Collection? Not that I'm aware. I did hear that the first shipment nearly sold out everywhere, though. We'll find out in a couple of weeks how it did. --- 6.12.2008 -- One Final Mission |
| Warsola | Posted 4/7/2008 12:21:09 PM | message detail |
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How much are we talking here? After Mario had gotten his crazy boost
but before Brawl was even noteworthy, Snake pulled in 43% against him.
There's certainly no way that Snake does worse than that today,
especially with Brawl in his corner. So what are people really
expecting from that match right now, percentage-wise? Choosing Mario is
understandable, but the talk seems to imply that Mario just runs away
with it. Can't agree there. I'm saying that as opposed to Brawl pushing Snake to, say, 52/48, it only pushes him to 55/45, and I don't think MGS4 will help Snake get over the hump, especially since Mario could likely boost a bit from Galaxy. Really, it comes down to I like Mario more, so I'm going to trust him, because I'd hate being wrong and take Snake to win. <_< --- Everybody's got a price! Everybody's gonna pay! 'Cause the Million Dollar Man! Always gets his way! |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 4/7/2008 12:25:28 PM | message detail |
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oh hey tag --- The Real First WWEGSB Brawl Tourney Champ WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Warsola | Posted 4/7/2008 12:26:37 PM | message detail |
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Oh, and by the "not even close" thing, I mean it never really looks like Snake can win. <_<; --- Everybody's got a price! Everybody's gonna pay! 'Cause the Million Dollar Man! Always gets his way! |
| ZFS | Posted 4/7/2008 12:33:21 PM | message detail |
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Ha. No problem with that -- I'd be in the same position, except on the opposite side. I'd agree, though. Brawl isn't going to push Snake up to 52 / 48 on Mario in a direct match, although I'd argue that indirectly Snake's already above that. Taking all the SFF into consideration, I think a match between the two right now would end up around 45 - 46% for Snake. The rest of that is where MGS4 comes in. --- 6.12.2008 -- One Final Mission |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 4/7/2008 3:38:08 PM | message detail |
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Speaking of Pokemon, http://www.thengamer.com/xstats/ranks.php?year=2007c 32 Pikachu 2007c 24.59 37 Mewtwo 2007c 23.76 43 Mudkip 2007c 21.53 45 Bidoof 2007c 21.32 ...which Mewtwo managed despite getting about the worst draw imaginable. But then he went and didn't make the Brawl cut, which begs the question... who should we rally behind for next time? Pikachu's the face of the franchise and is a pretty major player in Brawl, where he got a nice buff, but will anti-votes hold him back when we return to a 1v1 setting? Mewtwo had everything going his way until he got bumped from the roster... should we just transfer that support to Lucario, the 'new and improved' Mewtwo? Or should we instead move on to Charizard, the character most likely to combine old school nostalgia with a high Brawl playrate, while avoiding anti-votes? --- Hot Content A'hoy: thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com PARENTAL ADVISORY - This signature contains Explicit Content. |
| Same Orphanage | Posted 4/7/2008 3:40:56 PM | message detail |
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If we really feel the need to get more Pokemon into a contest, Lucario or Charizard would likely be the best candidates. --- RPG 9/10 Not exactly RPG, let's just say kind of like graphics. winner of a golden trophy |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/7/2008 5:42:17 PM | message detail |
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im stuck between charizard and mewtwo as lucario is far too new. --- --GENO ALLIANCE-- Supporters of Geno in Super Smash Bros. Brawl - http://thegenoalliance.ytmnd.com/ |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 4/7/2008 5:55:18 PM | message detail |
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It's settled then! We'll all nominate Charizard for the next Character Battle. --- Hot Content A'hoy: thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com PARENTAL ADVISORY - This signature contains Explicit Content. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/7/2008 10:20:19 PM | message detail |
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I predict Charizard would thrash Lucario. --- Do you like suggesting ideas for contests? Come hither: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/7/2008 10:25:23 PM | message detail |
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From Ngamer64 | Posted 4/7/2008 5:55:18 PM It's settled then! We'll all nominate Charizard for the next Character Battle. Speak for yourself! --- RPG 9/10 Not exactly RPG, let's just say kind of like graphics. winner of a golden trophy |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 4/8/2008 9:38:04 AM | message detail |
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Sorry Kleenex, but I'm afraid the hive mind has spoken. Obey, or be eradicated. --- Hot Content A'hoy: thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com PARENTAL ADVISORY - This signature contains Explicit Content. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2008 10:18:12 AM | message detail |
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CharFAQs --- Do you like suggesting ideas for contests? Come hither: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 4/8/2008 10:25:49 AM | message detail |
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Charizard should be the most popular pokémon in these contests. 120 Guybrush So there are 8 characters that would lose to Guybrush Threepwood. In other words he HAS to return this year. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. EC > Me |
| Warsola | Posted 4/8/2008 10:27:58 AM | message detail |
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45 Bidoof 2007c 21.32 Magus 2007c 21.17 OH GOD WHY? --- Everybody's got a price! Everybody's gonna pay! 'Cause the Million Dollar Man! Always gets his way! |
| Warsola | Posted 4/8/2008 10:31:30 AM | message detail |
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L-Block 97.09% 186,388 Tanner 2.91% 5,582 TOTAL VOTES 191,969 ....My god.... --- Everybody's got a price! Everybody's gonna pay! 'Cause the Million Dollar Man! Always gets his way! |
| Warsola | Posted 4/8/2008 10:32:25 AM | message detail |
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Sorry for triple post, but... Crono 49.54% 62,466 Magus 50.46% 63,622 TOTAL VOTES 126,088 YESSSSSSSSSS |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2008 10:35:17 AM | message detail |
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L-Block 97.09% 186,388 Tanner 2.91% 5,582 ...is that higher than Tetris's playrate here? I haven't seen the poll in a long time, but...haha! --- Do you like suggesting ideas for contests? Come hither: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 4/8/2008 10:37:06 AM | message detail |
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Not quite- Tetris has a 97.36% playrate. http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Have_You_Ever_Played --- Hot Content A'hoy: thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com PARENTAL ADVISORY - This signature contains Explicit Content. |
| Warsola | Posted 4/8/2008 10:38:20 AM | message detail |
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Also, I must say that the Raw stats are the sinlge most hilarious thing I've ever seen on this board. --- Everybody's got a price! Everybody's gonna pay! 'Cause the Million Dollar Man! Always gets his way! |
| voltch | Posted 4/8/2008 12:17:32 PM | message detail |
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pokefaqs --- For some reason I never know what to put here. |
| Haste_2 | Posted 4/8/2008 6:22:05 PM | message detail |
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Snake beating Sephiroth, but not Mario? No way...I mean, I bet
Sephiroth would've gotten around the same score on 2K6 Snake as Mario
did on 2K5 Snake. Certainly SSBB wouldn't make Snake do even worse on
Nintendo characters. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2008 8:56:16 PM | message detail |
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Also, that would mean we wouldn't be using the FF7/MGS theory anymore..... --- Do you like suggesting ideas for contests? Come hither: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| H__RR____H | Posted 4/9/2008 9:24:35 AM | message detail |
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Just for kicks, has anybody seen the SSBB-ad here where they ask you to
vote for your favorite SSBB-fighter in one-on-one polls? If
not...you're not missing much, but here it is: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/features/character-battle/index.php They tally the votes that each character has gotten regardless of who they were facing, and here's what they add up to (out of the fourteen characters this has): Ice Climbers - 6,289 Peach - 6,364 Olimar - 7,745 Yoshi - 8,739 DK - 11,022 Bowser - 12,725 Zelda - 12,813 Sheik - 14,986 ZSS - 15,000 Pit - 15,874 Mario - 16,593 Fox - 17,906 Samus - 17,984 Link - 21,179 Mean anything? --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| Master Moltar | Posted 4/9/2008 9:37:08 AM | message detail |
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Samus > Mario indirectly, but we all knew that anyway. Fox has boosted above Mario confirmed. --- Moltar Status: Brawlin' - 4339-2157-7264 CB6 Score: 511 - 9th place, not bad! |
| TRE Public Account | Posted 4/9/2008 9:45:42 AM | message detail |
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That list is pretty close to the actual X-Stats order. Fox and Pit are
much stronger than you would expect them to be. Perhaps because Fox was
top tier in SSBM and Pit seem to be near the top in SSBB? I'm not sure
where Fox places on the SSBB tier list. But, Link still dominates
despite not being too great in any of the SSB games. Sheer overwhelming
power, I guess. Samus and Mario are also out of order, but they
probably weren't too far apart if there was no SFF involved. ZSS did a
fair bit worse than Samus. If this was pre-SSBB release, ZSS would
probably be closer to Zelda who was pretty close to Tifa in 2k6. Olimar
outdoing Peach is also a bit surprising, but it is probably just a
quirk of being near the bottom of the list. --- Socii sunt mihi. qui olim viri fortes rivalesque erant. Saeve certando pugnandoque sprendor crescit. |
