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trannyscience | Posted 11/5/2007 4:47:23 PM | message detail
yeah. you've seen my Games Brackets before - I often set up "interesting" Nintendo v. Nintendo matches as a way to cut down on the Nintendo.

I also agree on voters having trouble caring for four months. I mean, it's been two months and I'm more than ready to wind down here. a lot of that is because the board is kinda frightening right now, but two more months added onto this would really be pushing a die-hard like me. imagine what it's like for someone who doesn't really care?
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wavedash101 | Posted 11/5/2007 4:50:25 PM | message detail
Remeber tranny, it just got released...it hasnt even sold through a holiday season yet, plus its bang for your buck...it also has the benefit of being mulitplatform

I also think Mass Effect will make it if the game lives up to the hype...MGS is suppose to be giving that game a huge push in terms of marketing over the holidays, akin to Gears

/It all depends on how much they move over the holidays though, how many people the games reach

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ZFS | Posted 11/5/2007 4:51:26 PM | message detail
Melee v Link to the Past

I'm fine with a match like this. These are distinctly different and strong enough that if they're going to meet up, it should be an interesting match to see what happens. Same thing with something like Chrono Trigger vs. Final Fantasy 6. But most of those others seem like they'd be really uninteresting past the first few minutes. The SFF matches we saw last time with Nintendo games doesn't inspire much confidence in those matches being very good. I can see what you're saying there about the others being debatable, though.


SFF is going to be inevitable in a bracket, though. Square and Nintendo have too much of a presence here not to have it happen even with a reasonable cap placed on them. Even with that in mind, I'd like to see it limited as much as possible, just to avoid boring matches. It's a tough situation.

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trannyscience | Posted 11/5/2007 4:51:33 PM | message detail
yeah, and it's already off the top 10. you'll understand why I'm skeptical.
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swirIdude | Posted 11/5/2007 4:52:34 PM | message detail
But at the same time, splitting Square and Nintendo could lead to a lot of boring early matches where the Squintendo entry dominates. Balance must be made carefully.
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trannyscience | Posted 11/5/2007 4:53:31 PM | message detail
those match are all good except for Mario 3/World, and maybe Zelda 1/TP. 3 and TP will win those matches without much trouble.
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swirIdude | Posted 11/5/2007 4:55:45 PM | message detail
Sadly, I also think Mario 3 would win that match.
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ZFS | Posted 11/5/2007 4:57:55 PM | message detail
Yeah, SMB3 should take that pretty easy.

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Ngamer64 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:06:18 PM | message detail
From tran's list I would drop...

Zelda 1 - having already seen it, and see it lose to Mario 3, makes it less interesting to me. I'd rather a Zelda wildcard like Majora's Mask was featured in its place. or Wind Waker, which I see as a wildcard in that it would crush outside competition but likely fold at the first sign of Nintendo SFF

Halo - one Halo is enough with a 64 limit IMO, and H3 has the sales and momentum and growing 360 fanbase to be the top choice.

Kingdom Hearts - iffy on this... we obviously need a KH, but not sure that we need both, not after the way KHII was exposed by FF12 in that GotY poll, and considering FF12 isn't going to be making this field

Pac-Man - guh... fine I guess if it gets a weak newish opponent, but we already know it folds badly in the face of anything the slightest bit old school, so don't see a real need for it

Soul Calibur - didn't we come to an agreement that Link + GC/PS2/Xbox was going to make SCII the strongest of the series, since Dreamcast fans would probably support it anyways?

GTA: VC - after the way it was exposed against Warcraft, for whatever reason, I think one GTA is enough, and SA seems the clear choice.

Half-Life - HL2 has surpassed the original and continues to stay fresh with these new modifications and Episodes and Boxes, so even as a fan of the series I'd be fine with letting HL1 miss the cut.

God of War - didn't 2 outsell and out-review the original? we need GoW represented of course, but I don't think it'll have such a huge impact that we need to see it twice.

Earthbound - lose to Doom pegs the game about right, and unless it gets that VC re-release soon I don't see that changing. would like to see this replaced with something else classic-Nintendo. how about like a Punch Out, or Tecmo Bowl?

Biggest snubs I'd want subbed in are Star Fox 64 and Mario Kart 64, both of which I think would deal out some serious damage to anything not named Mario 64/OoT/Melee.

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trannyscience | Posted 11/5/2007 5:09:42 PM | message detail
totally forgot Mario Kart.

Zelda 1 is one of the most fascinating games there is. no way do I ever want to see it dropped.

tell me, how do you go on a Zelda 1 / *insert modern popular game* match? Zelda 1 / Halo? Zelda 1 / God of War 2? we have utterly no idea how it holds up to modern games, or if modern games will fall to nostalgia / classic games. Zelda 1 is the posterchild of a timeless classic that doesn't resonate as much with the modern crowd.. or so we think. Zelda 1 / FF8 -- what happens? who knows. keep it in there.

FF1 is the same way.

I'm cool on dropping the rest. towards the end I was trying to come up with competitive second entrants since a lot of other halfway-popular titles just wouldn't hold up against the best we have.
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ZFS | Posted 11/5/2007 5:13:37 PM | message detail
Haha. Tecmo Bowl has to get in.

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wavedash101 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:14:20 PM | message detail
I'd take Super Mario Kart or Mario Kart DS before 64 personally

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trannyscience | Posted 11/5/2007 5:15:29 PM | message detail
http://www.famssu.com/tecmo/

You are visitor # 2540778

when the Tecmo Bowl fans rally, watch out.

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trannyscience | Posted 11/5/2007 5:16:11 PM | message detail
64 > SMK > MKDS. don't think you can really argue that from a strength standpoint.
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ZFS | Posted 11/5/2007 5:17:58 PM | message detail
Give me Kart 64 over the other two. I can't see any other iteration of Mario Kart topping 64 -- even if the other two are better!

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trannyscience | Posted 11/5/2007 5:18:53 PM | message detail
indeed. SMK rocks MK64 any day.

but Uniracers rocks SMK.

and F-Zero GX rocks Uniracers.

and F-Zero GX would get rocked by the worst incarnation of Mario Kart.


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greatone10 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:19:19 PM | message detail
SMK > 64 > DS

I think the original would be the most popular.
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Warsola | Posted 11/5/2007 5:19:26 PM | message detail
Tecmo Bowl would have the biggest day-night vote shift this side of MC/KH
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ZFS | Posted 11/5/2007 5:20:08 PM | message detail
Take that one further -- the original F-Zero rocks any iteration of Mario Kart!

aww yeah

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trannyscience | Posted 11/5/2007 5:20:39 PM | message detail
SMK wins just because you can play two-player. that's the fatal flaw of F-Zero SNES!
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Master Moltar | Posted 11/5/2007 5:21:06 PM | message detail
F-Zero GX...what an underappreciated game.

(64 owns it though!)
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trannyscience | Posted 11/5/2007 5:22:10 PM | message detail
there is no game -- not a racing game, not a platforming game, not Tetris, not anything -- that owns F-Zero GX, my friend.
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ZFS | Posted 11/5/2007 5:23:34 PM | message detail
Haha. SMK two-player was pretty kick ass back in the day.

If I'm going to sit down for a quick 10 minute session, though, it's gotta be F-Zero!

Which reminds me that I need to get around to playing GX sometime.

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Master Moltar | Posted 11/5/2007 5:23:58 PM | message detail
You'd be wrong tran-man.

Hell, I can think of another racer, Crash Team Racing > F-Zero GX!
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Keno316 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:24:24 PM | message detail
Original MK is probably under MK64. Sure. SMK started it all, but MK64 brought the party game element with the 4 player and I'd say was just more fun to play overall.
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trannyscience | Posted 11/5/2007 5:24:29 PM | message detail
Master Failtar :(
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Ngamer64 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:25:15 PM | message detail
Yeah, Zelda 1 has a huge range and would potentially be very interesting against new competition, but I would argue that Majora's Mask has a huge range and would potentially be very interesting against everything. Aside, of course, from OoT. MM v Halo? MM v StarCraft? Goodness knows what happens, just like Zelda 1. But then you can also say MM v FF6, MM v Mario 1, MM v Super Mario World, and it's still goodness knows what happens.

And yes, I feel extremely confident in saying MK64 would perform best in a traditional environment. It's got everything on the rest of the series... better sales, highest profile release, no hated on by some like MKDD and SC were, was THE #1 multiplayer experience early in the N64's lifetime, and most importantly, it's nostalgic for some while still remaining fairly modern and highly playable to this day.

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Master Moltar | Posted 11/5/2007 5:25:27 PM | message detail
I must say though, that it is one of the most satisfying games I've ever played. When you beat one of those story missions on Very Hard, the feeling is better than...just about anything!
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ZFS | Posted 11/5/2007 5:27:00 PM | message detail
Yeah, MK64 is pretty much the "bigger and better" version of SMK. Can't go wrong with having it represent Mario Kart.

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Master Moltar | Posted 11/5/2007 5:27:29 PM | message detail
And I'd love to see the best Zelda represented. Definitely interested in seeing how it would do.

(p.s - that's majora's mask for the uncool peeps)
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xp1337 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:28:11 PM | message detail
Yeah, MK64 is pretty much the "bigger and better" version of SMK. Can't go wrong with having it represent Mario Kart.

Wrong.

At least we can all agree that it shouldn't be the GBA Mario Kart.

I've even blotted the title of it out of my mind. Super Circuit was it?
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ZFS | Posted 11/5/2007 5:28:45 PM | message detail
get that out of here moltar

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wavedash101 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:28:59 PM | message detail
I agree with everything but the hate part Ngamer...MK 64 has alot of detractors, alot...I'd say SMK and MK DS are far more liked in general...I guess it would still be the most popular though just cause of its place on the N64

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Seginustemple | Posted 11/5/2007 5:30:49 PM | message detail
there is no game -- not a racing game, not a platforming game, not Tetris, not anything -- that owns F-Zero GX, my friend.

Ah, except for F-Zero X!
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Keno316 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:31:19 PM | message detail
Majora's Mask has to be one of my top favorite Zelda's. It definitely deserves to be in the contest. At least to see how it does.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:31:54 PM | message detail
I'd vote for MK64 is we're looking for a MK representative. SMK is a bit too old, and Double Dash has a lot of detractors for "messing" with the gameplay.

DS would be the next best choice, but I'd go with 64.
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xp1337 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:34:33 PM | message detail
Majora's Mask -should- just kick ass and take names, but the second it ran into another big Zelda it'd probably fold. Which would be a traveshemockery of justice, as it should triple any Zelda it faced with ease.
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Master Moltar | Posted 11/5/2007 5:36:51 PM | message detail
I know, I mean Twilight Princess? Who played and liked that mess.

mm is the only true zelda game imho
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:36:53 PM | message detail
As much as I love Majora's Mask, I have a feeling it wouldn't do nearly as well as it should. It's easily on one of the lower rungs of the Zelda ladder.
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ZFS | Posted 11/5/2007 5:37:02 PM | message detail
If there were justice within the Zelda series, Twilight Princess would be quadrupling the nearest one (LTTP)!

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xp1337 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:38:48 PM | message detail
I know, I mean Twilight Princess? Who played and liked that mess.

mm is the only true zelda game imho


Arbiter's Ground was totally awesome though.

Remake of MM with Stallord, Double Hookshots, and the Spinner = Game of the Century.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/5/2007 5:38:58 PM | message detail
Super Mario Bros. has to be the game with the biggest range of anything out there. It could be Top 10, or it could lose to GTASA.

Ah, except for F-Zero X!

I'm pretty sure that anyone who thinks F-Zero X > F-Zero GX hasn't beaten Story Mode on Very Hard.
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trannyscience | Posted 11/5/2007 5:40:17 PM | message detail
I can't stand MK64, personally. it ruined SMK in some weird way, and I can't quite figure out why. MK was never the same after SMK, though I did like the limited amount of MKDS that I played.

Majora's Mask would do fine. I mean, WW is "hated", yet it did pretty darn good. I agree that it has potential.

but so does Zelda 1, and Zelda 1 is one of three NES titles that are actually worth seeing. the 64 has more than that, seeing as our main demographic probably grew up with the 64.
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ZFS | Posted 11/5/2007 5:40:59 PM | message detail
I know, I mean Twilight Princess? Who played and liked that mess.

i see what this is moltar i see what this

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:41:22 PM | message detail
Only 3 NES titles worth seeing?

I can think of 4 at least.
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trannyscience | Posted 11/5/2007 5:42:31 PM | message detail
name 'em.

well, I guess you could say Mario 1/2/3, but I was just counting 3.
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wavedash101 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:42:39 PM | message detail
Duck Hunt lolz

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/5/2007 5:43:25 PM | message detail
Mario Bros.
Mario Bros. 3
Zelda
Final Fantasy
Tetris

There's 5.
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ZFS | Posted 11/5/2007 5:43:34 PM | message detail
SMB3, Zelda 1, SMB1, Mega Man 2.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/5/2007 5:43:39 PM | message detail
I demand a Duck Hunt/Donkey Kong rematch!
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