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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 546

Lopen | Posted 11/4/2007 12:30:26 PM | message detail
And by 18-20, I mean 38-40, and by Cloud, I mean L-Block.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/4/2007 12:39:29 PM | message detail
Man, I just had a thought. How crazy would the FFP of this contest have been? Four-way matches aside, creatively writing L-Block into advancing every round and potentially winning the whole thing would have been hilarious.

Some rounds someone thought it was a weapon and used it to bludgeon their opponents to death. Other rounds it just sat unassumingly in the corner until two of the others had been eliminated. Finally the other contestants realized that it, too, had been invited to fight...and it was winning. So they banded together to stop it, but it was too late.


I'd find it hard writing one with the L-Block winning though if Link won I'd just make him the main villain in the contest.
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paraboxx | Posted 11/4/2007 1:05:47 PM | message detail
Aw man, I missed out on some good FFX discussion. I've got a 100% file there myself, of sorts - didn't max out any stats, but still finished the Arena. And I did get all the Weapons.

Butterfly catching was the absolute worst. Lightning and chocobo things weren't too bad, really. Blitzball, meanwhile, I ended up spending more time with than the rest of the game...and I loved every minute of it. I can beat Luca in the first match pretty easily at this point. If Sphere Break had been any deeper, I would've done the same for it; as it is, it still ended up becoming my main source of money for the game.

As for the plot twist sucking...all I've got to say to that is, at least it ain't FF8.

I thought picking anything but L-Block here was crazy. after what he did to Snake last round, it seemed obvious to me that he was going to walk over Link and Cloud too. Link isn't invincible, he can be beaten. he's not held up as some kind of demigod to anyone but the people who follow these things.

Same here, except I didn't have the guts to say it at the time. So sad...

Still, that's something to talk about. The fact that this contest and everything we've come to expect from it trend wise has been broken in half.

That may be true, but I do have to agree with others that the odds of this happening again are astronomical. Trends will go back to normal next year, I think, and in fact I kind of hope so. I was looking forward to the Link/Cloud match (and the inevitable "lol hochi"). But I'm still thrilled that I was here to see the first successful bandwagon entry of the contest.

And that it was a Tetrad.
*bows to the Block*
Panthera | Posted 11/4/2007 1:11:08 PM | message detail
Hmm, I think I've figured out why L Block seems to look stronger with every passing round. He faces stronger competition every round, and that's important. Of course, this requires some sort of way to make MC/Dante somehow superior to Sonic/Squall, which is a little hard, so that match becomes anamolous. But in general, L Block gets his support from the "How funny is it to see Big Name Character X lose to a block?" mindset. In essence, his joke status makes HIM the true "King of SFF", because his support comes from essentially SFFing everything he sees. This also explains why Snake beat the block with his awful picture, but lost with proper pictures: both because Solid **** had weaker non-Block competition for the L Block to drain, and because he's resistant to L Block when he's at his "weakest". By that, I mean that more "casual" Snake fans won't care about the match if he isn't recognisable, or will vote for a "weaker" alternative like Kratos just because there isn't the same "L Block>Snake" humour if they don't realise it's the Snake they like. The people who vote for Snake when he has that type of picture are primarily very hardcore Snake fans, and while some of those can still be diverted to L, it seems logical that they'll be less likely to pick the L than the people who aren't Snakamaniacal enough to vote for Snake without pictorial reason. So basically, because L Block works by making voters think of how amusing it is to see him get votes instead of a bigger name character, putting him against big vote draws like Link and Cloud simply gives him a much larger audience to appeal to, thus allowing him to draw away more votes. That also can explain his rather static percentage; if we assume that a similar proportion of any given character's fans will be amused enough to vote L, his percentage logically WILL stay the same in most matches, but his vote totals will increase as he drains bigger and bigger voter pools. And that also explains why he would lose for so long and then win; in earlier rounds, a dominant character can EASILY break the 30ish% L Block can drain away just by pummeling the non-Blocks. Ramp up the competiton to where not even Link can break 30% with only 70ish% of the total votes available, and L Block starts winning.

I would be hesitant to give rallying too much credit, honestly. Rallying only brings in more voters, it doesn't make them vote against what they want. Now, if you know who you're recruiting, you can skew the results [see: planetgamecube rally during Mario/Cloud, obviously that's a fanbase that would heavily favour Mario], but it's hard to say what the results of rallying will really do when L Block is involved, since pretty much everyone who might care about a game character poll will have played Tetris, and thus possibly get the joke and vote for him. So all rallying is really doing is bringing people in and hoping they like the joke. I'll grant that rallied voters will probably vote L Block in larger percentages than non-rallied voters, but I don't think that anywhere near every voter a pro-L rallier recruits will abandon a Link/Cloud calibre character. I think L Block's success can mainly be attributed to the fact that he's a universally appealing "joke" that can siphon off a similar percentage of votes from anyone he faces. I would go so far as to say that if L Block shared a poll with CATS, he would do abnormally bad, as I don't think CATS' fanbase can be at all drained in any significant manner. Granted, losing his 30% from CATS only amounts to 3000-4000 votes or so, but you get my point, right?

Any thoughts? Am I on to something, or should I definately never again make theories while tired?
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/4/2007 2:03:04 PM | message detail
You can make them well tired if you use smaller paragraphs. I can't read it in that shape. D:
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/4/2007 2:04:21 PM | message detail
...

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*while

I shouldn't criticize others while tired, it seems. <_<
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/4/2007 2:28:39 PM | message detail
Hah. I'm guessing L-Block just got a rally or link from somewhere. WTF @ back-to-back 39% updates
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Lugia2 | Posted 11/4/2007 2:46:36 PM | message detail
Heroic Yuna? Hochi lost. EC won.
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Mumei | Posted 11/4/2007 2:49:58 PM | message detail
Patriots @ Colts is even more epic than this.

This topic should now be about that game.

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Merc25 | Posted 11/4/2007 3:12:10 PM | message detail
I believe this match has the highest votals in the history of these contests: 159485
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Agent M | Posted 11/4/2007 3:15:43 PM | message detail
wow is this topic ever slow today

seems like the L Block fanaticism has taken a turn for the worst
TRE Public Account | Posted 11/4/2007 3:17:34 PM | message detail
Not the highest yet. Yesterday has 164401 total votes.
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H__RR____H | Posted 11/4/2007 3:22:01 PM | message detail
This match is SHATTERING the old vote total record. Brutal.


Somebody said it's reasonable for L-Block to have 10k-20k votes rallied for it. For what it's worth, it's beating Link by 7,000 and Cloud by 16,000. It has broken the previous poll record when there's still a quarter of the match left, and L-Block also has nearly as many votes in this match right now as it did at the end of yesterday's match...

...color me suspicious (preferably with a dark blue...!), but methinks L-Block has a lot more rallied votes than 20,000.
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H__RR____H | Posted 11/4/2007 3:23:17 PM | message detail
Not the highest yet. Yesterday has 164401 total votes.

Wow, didn't even notice that.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/4/2007 3:25:45 PM | message detail
Panthera's post actually makes perfect sense.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/4/2007 3:50:44 PM | message detail
new record.... and at least 4 hours to go.

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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/4/2007 3:52:39 PM | message detail
From Lugia2 Posted 11/4/2007 5:46:36 PM #208
Heroic Yuna? Hochi lost. EC won.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that nobody has won until today's poll ends. For all we know, Cloud and L-Block's vote totals have been switched due to a glitch in the Matrix! D:
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SFF_potential | Posted 11/4/2007 3:57:54 PM | message detail
wow, over 1000 topics with L-Block in the title.....

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swirIdude | Posted 11/4/2007 4:08:23 PM | message detail
Ugh, the Patriots are winning, if they win this game I'll be sick for the entire game. Damn you New England Links.
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/4/2007 4:19:25 PM | message detail
I find it neat how today is the day that GameFAQs is Wikipedia's featured article. Wikipedia goers are infinitely more likely to vote for L-Block than any of the other three. <_<
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fallenstar | Posted 11/4/2007 4:32:26 PM | message detail
Link's vote total for Cloud Strife Samus Aran Link Sephiroth
at 20:16:02 = 49249
total votes at this time = 125878

Link's vote total for this match
at 20:15:01 =49812
total votes at this time = 167466

How could there be 42,000 more votes and not a single one go to link? Obviously the rallying occuring here does not just bring visitors to the site, it brings L block supporters.
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swirIdude | Posted 11/4/2007 4:33:08 PM | message detail
I find it neat how today is the day that GameFAQs is Wikipedia's featured article. Wikipedia goers are infinitely more likely to vote for L-Block than any of the other three. <_<

CONSPIRACY!
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transience | Posted 11/4/2007 4:33:54 PM | message detail
you can't just take two numbers like that and assume they're related. you could find correlations like that all over if you looked hard enough.

there's some rallying going on, no doubt, but it's impossible to accurately gauge how many votes it is.
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Agent M | Posted 11/4/2007 4:34:37 PM | message detail
This match will break 180k

I don't know if 200k is possible in the future.. a mass rally like this doesn't come every day.
RPGuy96 | Posted 11/4/2007 4:43:16 PM | message detail
A finals match with a significant percent more votes than any other match really isn't anything out of the ordinary.
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creativename | Posted 11/4/2007 4:47:10 PM | message detail
Heh, this topic looks like it's become a ghost town. As awesome as L-Block is, and for how much a vocal minority is enjoying this, he really succeeded in totally sucking the fun out of this contest for a majority of people it seems.

Somebody needs to make a "Top 10 Reasons This Contest is a Joke", David Letterman style. I'll probably put the good ones on my site :)

10) If not for Donkey Kong, the eventual champion doesn't make it out of the 2nd round
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Keno316 | Posted 11/4/2007 4:51:13 PM | message detail
I have to disagree with this being L-Block's fault.

If L weren't there, It'd just be Link doing this to Cloud and Co. and we'd be bored out of our minds without anything to say either...
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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/4/2007 4:55:49 PM | message detail
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/4/2007 4:57:13 PM | message detail
Or, y'know, the contest is fun but there really isn't anything to talk about. Just like, y'know, most of the other matches outside of the very beginning.
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Big Bob | Posted 11/4/2007 4:57:54 PM | message detail
Speculation on Best. Fictional. Character. Ever. Contest!
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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/4/2007 4:58:34 PM | message detail
I seem to be unable to write today, so let's try that again!

I'm pretty sure this will actually go down in history as "the joke contest." There is no reason why past characters should have their win/loss records affected by this thing, and we already know nobody is seriously going to take this contest in consideration when predicting 1v1 matches.

Oh ya, and a Tetris block won. Good times, glad people are having fun, but creative is right when he says that the past week or so feels a bit ruined for at least a few of the people here.
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/4/2007 4:58:39 PM | message detail
(That was in response to creativename and yo)
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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/4/2007 5:02:00 PM | message detail
Speculation on Best. Fictional. Character. Ever. Contest!

If Bacon is nice enough to give us Block/Link tonight, I'm 100% sure he'll be down with the Best Fictional Character idea. If we do get it, though, I hope gaming characters are limited to no more than half the field. I assume those of us who want this contest to go down want it to truly be a Best Fictional Character contest, not a Best Video Game, Star Wars, and Spider-Man Contest.
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swirIdude | Posted 11/4/2007 5:03:22 PM | message detail
But that's what the final rounds would look like anyway!
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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/4/2007 5:07:50 PM | message detail
Yeah, but it would kill the purpose if the majority of the entrants were still from the gaming world. In a 64-character bracket, I'd probably limit gaming entrants to 16 (certainly no more than 32).
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Sykolan | Posted 11/4/2007 5:15:03 PM | message detail
I disagree...having L-Block in the finals was probably the most hilarious thing a contest has ever done. Seriously, this was just one of those rare moments you have to appreciate.

Whether the Block won or lost; it's done its job...turning this contest upside-down and giving it a breath of fresh air. I would've just stayed away all day if the finale was just another boring Link > Cloud match. Watching this board explode on epic proportions today was just awesome...no way this is going to happen again for a long while.

Of course, I'm against the return of L-Block next year. By then, the euphoria will have worn off and it'll never make it past the first round. I'm sure people will find a new character to rally behind to make sure Link suffers another defeat...and hopefully, it won't be a "joke" (using the term loosely) character. If I had my way, Mario or Kirby would be winning these character battles most of the time. >_>

But enough of my silly posting. Time to go back to playing Fire Emblem. But before I go...

*digs up the slab of Link's win/loss record*
Win section reads: Every damn character you can imagine.
Loss section reads: Cloud Strife (and Jay Solano in parentheses)

*writes under Cloud's and Jay's name "L-Block, Tetris, 2007"*
*reburies the slab again*

When shall the slab be unearthed for a defeat once again? Only time will tell...
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/4/2007 5:15:14 PM | message detail
Both a Link/L and fictional character contest would be awesome.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/4/2007 5:16:55 PM | message detail
Games Contest >>> Fictional Character Contest
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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/4/2007 5:17:23 PM | message detail
Both a Fictional Character Contest and an era-less Games Contest would be euphoria. Forget about the contests themselves for a minute - can you guys imagine how bat**** awesome just the prediction period would be?

Mmmm-mmmm-mmm scrum-diddly-umptious!
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ZFS | Posted 11/4/2007 5:17:55 PM | message detail
We need to start talking about a games contest over this fictional character stuff.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/4/2007 5:18:36 PM | message detail
I don't really care about a Fictional Character Contest. There aren't any real good ones. Unless they count characters played in live-action like Jack Bauer or House. Then I'd be interested
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Kratos_42 | Posted 11/4/2007 5:19:17 PM | message detail
I haven't posted here since the start of the second round of this contest, but, dammit, holy **** L-Block. Considering how many points these last contests are worth, would an L-Block joke bracket actually have a chance to win this?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/4/2007 5:20:30 PM | message detail
Most L-Block brackets don't have Link in the finals.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/4/2007 5:20:58 PM | message detail
If Darth Vader counts, I don't see why Jack Bauer or Indiana Jones wouldn't.

I'd be in heaven with either contest, and the thought of them back-to-back is nearly too sweet (sweeter than the nWo days; now you know that's... two... sweeeeeeeeeet!!!).
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Sykolan | Posted 11/4/2007 5:21:27 PM | message detail
Considering how many points these last contests are worth, would an L-Block joke bracket actually have a chance to win this?

No chance in hell.

Whoever's at the top at the leaderboard right now wins.
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ZFS | Posted 11/4/2007 5:22:30 PM | message detail
A fictional character contest might get less interest from me than a female villains contest!!


(Okay, maybe it's not that bad!)

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/4/2007 5:23:26 PM | message detail
Yeah, I guess it wouldn't be that bad. But for some reason whenever I see talk about the fictional character contest the only things people bring up are yawnfests like Star Wars and comic books. Puhleaze
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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/4/2007 5:24:54 PM | message detail
Wait, you're telling me the thought of Darth Vader, Batman, Spider-Man, and Solid Snake sharing the same bracket doesn't make you giggle like a schoolgirl?
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/4/2007 5:25:29 PM | message detail
Not at all.
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ZFS | Posted 11/4/2007 5:26:07 PM | message detail
Yeah. The strongest characters you're going to get that aren't from videogames are from Star Wars and comic books.

woohoo fun

(i think im bitter that indiana jones wouldn't dominate such a contest)

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