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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/2/2007 9:21:11 AM | message detail
...anyone calling THAT rSFF, while ignoring Mario/Samus rSFF should be shot in the face.

In one siutation we have years of evidence where Samus > Mario, and in one we have years of evidence where Samus > Snake. Not to mention I've seen people doubting the effects of ZSS, yet Solid **** is accepted by all.

I'll just conclude that you are all delusion Snake fanboys, and all the hate I've garnered over the years for Samus was completely unjustified. Sounds good to me!

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XIII_rocks | Posted 11/2/2007 9:27:07 AM | message detail
I've just realised something. Because of his recent performances, it's at the point now where, if Block does not make the finals...he's choked big time.

That's an almost incomprehensible thought. "L-Block didn't make the finals! What a choker!"
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Dark Ninja1521 | Posted 11/2/2007 9:29:43 AM | message detail
L-Blovk still had a good showing though depsite being a joke momination. 0.88% prediction is damn low.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/2/2007 9:39:01 AM | message detail
L-Block won't be making the finals.

MC's 30% strong will show you all what's up! (until the finals where he will crumble miserably to stop lopen from winning imoimo)
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Lopen | Posted 11/2/2007 9:48:13 AM | message detail
30%. Believe
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wavedash101 | Posted 11/2/2007 9:49:59 AM | message detail
30% for L-Block

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/2/2007 9:51:56 AM | message detail
I'm pretty sure L managed has managed a pathetic 28% in multiple rounds. He's a joke. Really, there's no such thing as 28% strong, that's just stupid. Now 30%, that's golden, baby.

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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/2/2007 9:52:37 AM | message detail
Master Chief - 30%
L-Block - 30%

This leaves 40% for Snake and Dante to share, and we all know how that is going to go...

Man, Jade Curtiss isn't going to be looking very good at the end of this. <_<
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/2/2007 9:53:01 AM | message detail
Dante with 21% imoimo.

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wavedash101 | Posted 11/2/2007 9:54:12 AM | message detail
And he still will get like 70% on Tanner

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BDawg | Posted 11/2/2007 10:09:08 AM | message detail
Watching Snake demolish Chief will make up for having to watch Chief cruise through the easiest quarter of the bracket.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/2/2007 10:10:44 AM | message detail
Huh? Raise your hand if you don't think L-Block is practically guaranteed a spot in the finals...
PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/2/2007 10:19:21 AM | message detail
I don't.

I can honestly see L/Snake/MC finishing in any order next round. Say what you will about MC (and he definitely has the greatest potential to fail miserably), but he definitely still has a shot at advancing.

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Keno316 | Posted 11/2/2007 10:22:39 AM | message detail
He's got a shot..but I can't see L-Block getting anything BUT ~28% of the vote. And with weaker competition than Sonic and Squall, Snake can easily get around 31~32% again.

And that leaves 40% to share among MC and Dante. And I just can't see Dante doing THAT horrible to allow MC to squeak through.


But...with how unpredictable this contest has been so far, who knows...
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 11/2/2007 10:22:44 AM | message detail
Honestly, MC has a very good chance. L-Block s nowhere near being a lock, imo.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/2/2007 10:26:17 AM | message detail
I figure if Block can take care of Sonic and Squall AND Snake....he can take care of Chief. I mean in Round 3 it Solid **** that was the excuse. What's the excuse in L-Block's first actual win?
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/2/2007 10:27:01 AM | message detail
I still say Dante's prescence in the poll will hurt Snake, which is why I'm not booking him in as a lock for 1st. MC has been damn impressive all contest long, and if MC wasn't so far behind Snake in years past thanks to the 1v1 format, a whole hell of a lot more people would giving him a shot tomorrow. People are refusing to believe, no matter how impressive the numbers MC is putting up.

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BDawg | Posted 11/2/2007 10:27:29 AM | message detail
I don't really understand why Link is getting 40% updates in the during school vote. I guess Cloud wins the after school, I don't see how Link can go higher.
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 11/2/2007 10:28:42 AM | message detail
Link with 45%+ updates during the ASV. Believe.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/2/2007 10:29:51 AM | message detail
um... I dare say MC looked more impressive than Sonic all contest long, and I would most definitely take him over Sonic in this format. Yes, L-Block beat out Sonic and Squall, but he's also lost to Kratos and Kirby. Will he probably make the finals? Yes. Is it a lock? No way.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/2/2007 10:30:20 AM | message detail
Chief has been putting up some great numbers this year...but L-Block has been puttting up better each and every round.
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EvilPrinny | Posted 11/2/2007 10:30:39 AM | message detail
Think with L block is, he doesn't get affected by SFF. But neither does Chief... so I don't know who will advance
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/2/2007 10:30:49 AM | message detail
He's taking all the % from Samus, so really it's not that weird.

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/2/2007 10:31:32 AM | message detail
MC > L-Block. believe.

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creativename | Posted 11/2/2007 10:33:11 AM | message detail
Replaced larger font on the updates with bold.

Would people prefer normal font instead?

Sorry for creating extra work for RPGuy :)

Also what's this Samus not being SFFed talk by Link? She's being SFFed pretty hard. Sephiroth is just getting it worse.

For the finals, I'm a bit worried for Cloud, because L-Block could have a 2,000 vote lead over Cloud in that match before the match has barely begun.

Cloud has waaay more comeback power than Snake of course (not just because of strength but also because of trends), but that kind of lead would still be somewhat problematic. Especially with Link in there; with Link's presence, Cloud won't completely slaughter the day vote.


Also on Samus/Snake, I'd say Samus is looking to have been straight-up stronger than Snake this whole time. The match did look weird at the time, and I think Snake is closer to her indirectly that the result implies, but Samus does look like she was always stronger. I think now that match was plain SFF (very slight in favor of Samus), and not rSFF. I don't think it was dumb to think it was rSFF at the time though - I didn't really buy it totally, and have in fact never bought much into rSFF, but I could see the case. I really wasn't sure what happened there.


I can honestly see L/Snake/MC finishing in any order next round.

Any order? That's a big exaggeration. Snake is damn likely to get 1st, L-Block has a chance. MC has like no shot whatsoever to get 1st.

Honestly, MC has a very good chance. L-Block s nowhere near being a lock, imo.

He has a chance, but it's definitely not "very good". The big L dawg is no Lock, but Chief will have to get Lucky not to Lose.
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Mumei | Posted 11/2/2007 10:35:10 AM | message detail
I don't really understand why Link is getting 40% updates in the during school vote. I guess Cloud wins the after school, I don't see how Link can go higher.

Link to show Master Chief how it's done? <_<

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/2/2007 10:37:29 AM | message detail
Eh, I guess we'll see tomorrow, but I'm not willing to throw first place to Snake quite yet, and I'm not in the arguing mood. Granted it would just be bringing up all the past matches they've had this contest and comparing who they beat, but with all the strange overlap and whatnot, it's hard to say what competition is better in regards to the percentages each character was able to earn. Plus I have to go to a meeting in 10 minutes and then it's time to get ****ed up.

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creativename | Posted 11/2/2007 10:37:52 AM | message detail
I mean in Round 3 it Solid **** that was the excuse. What's the excuse in L-Block's first actual win?

Because L-Block is invincibLFF, immune to LFF, the excuse is that a stronger fourpack brought Snake down. Not much of an excuse however so much as a reason to believe Snake deserves to be the favorite again next round, with weaker competition.

People are refusing to believe, no matter how impressive the numbers MC is putting up.

You can't spell believe without L.

um... I dare say MC looked more impressive than Sonic all contest long, and I would most definitely take him over Sonic in this format.

I think there's an excellent chance you'd be wrong to do so. Just how weak do you think Squall is?

Sonic/Chief in this format is very debatable. I'd lean towards Sonic, and I think most would. I don't think Chief has done anything the past couple rounds that Squall would have too much trouble coming close to, at the least.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/2/2007 10:43:25 AM | message detail
I don't think Squall's that weak, certainly below Vincent, and we saw how Sonic/Vincent went last year. Squall would not get that close to Sonic in a 1v1 match, and Snake would not beat him 60/40 either. (That is the projection, yes? I didn't do it myself but I remember it being brought up last night). He's just weaker in this format, and he hasn't done a single thing in his matches to show he could easily dispose of MC in this format. Can he still win that match? Sure, but I'll take MC and see how things work out.

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Luis_Sera89 | Posted 11/2/2007 10:44:51 AM | message detail
This may just be my favourite match of the contest so far, just because Samus is holding up so well. By that I mean in comparison to Sephy of course >_> And by that I mean SFF notwithstanding she's still beating him anyway!
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BDawg | Posted 11/2/2007 10:45:33 AM | message detail
I think Snake looked fine until he ran into the immovable object. And I don't see MC being an irresistible force.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/2/2007 10:45:47 AM | message detail
All these people need to get the hell off the Samus > Seph upset train, it's mine and Moltar's dammit.

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MegatokyoEd | Posted 11/2/2007 10:48:04 AM | message detail
Chief hasn't impressed at all these past few rounds. He was struggling to get above 2000 on Dante last round until the day vote hit. Snake and L Block are virtual locks for the first two slots, the only question is who ends up where.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/2/2007 10:49:18 AM | message detail
that's the dumbest post i've ever read.

Cloud was struggling to get a % lead on Samus until after the board vote ended, clearly Cloud is weak!

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hochiminh155 | Posted 11/2/2007 10:50:03 AM | message detail
Oh my god, every time I go to the home page, I'm cursed by seeing that awful #8 moon crayon picture
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transience | Posted 11/2/2007 10:50:53 AM | message detail
it's funny - a year ago people went nuts at the prospect of Snake beating Sephiroth. now Samus is doing it with ease.

as for tomorrow, I haven't even decided who I think will advance yet. Snake has first place locked up there, but MC and da block are, well, who knows? I guarantee that if Chief wins, it will be the biggest day vote swing we've ever seen. and people will be loling pretty hard at him in the first few minutes when L is laying a beatdown of unparalleled proportions.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/2/2007 10:51:23 AM | message detail
I'm not gonna lie that picture is pretty bad. Needs more MYC everyone hanging on a cross picture.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/2/2007 10:52:27 AM | message detail
MC will be doing horribly in the beginning, no doubt. But he's going to make the day vote his ****. It's too bad there's no ASV tomorrow, and it'll be stretched out instead of condensed into three hours of awesome, but either way it'll be a show.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/2/2007 10:53:24 AM | message detail
If you think about it, L-Block didn't exactly do horrible in the day either. Sure it was mostly defense, but you can't tell me the lose 10, gain 20 and then stall for awhile method wasn't working for him.
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creativename | Posted 11/2/2007 10:55:31 AM | message detail
and Snake would not beat him 60/40 either. (That is the projection, yes?

Projections from that match are that Snake beats Sonic 60/40, and Sonic gets just over 52% on Squall. Sonic/Squall is basically the same as projected from last year, but yeah there's a lot of reason to think Sonic team is weaker in this format (or just got straight-up weaker the past year ala Chrono Trigger). However Sonic's fall-off from Snake wasn't that bad considering he was the 3rd strongest character in match. That match was actually one of the most straightforward matches we've had, no character collapsed or anything. (just pointing that out, it's not entirely relevant to our discussion)

nd he hasn't done a single thing in his matches to show he could easily dispose of MC in this format. Can he still win that match? Sure, but I'll take MC and see how things work out.

Well we agree then. I thought by saying you'd "definitely take him over Sonic" you were implying there was strong reason to consider Chief the favorite, rather than just picking out of favoritism :) There really isn't much reason to consider Chief a favorite over Sonic in this format. Right now it's looking like a very close call. It's unclear if he would even be favored by much over Squall.

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creativename | Posted 11/2/2007 10:59:44 AM | message detail
I think Snake looked fine until he ran into the immovable object. And I don't see MC being an irresistible force.

Hmmm, calling L-Block the immovable object is pretty fitting, if you buy into the loyalty thing.

Also the irresistible force is obviously Link :)


that's the dumbest post i've ever read.

Cloud was struggling to get a % lead on Samus until after the board vote ended, clearly Cloud is weak!


The post wasn't dumb at all. He said day vote, not board vote, which is a huuuge difference. The overnight vote is key - a large majority of the time, it's what is most important to %age stabilization, as I always say. His post did underrate the importance of the MC after school vote, which actually makes the overnight votes in Chief matches less important than usual. But it wasn't dumb in the least, that was uncalled for. Like I said, I don't really know if Squall would struggle much to at least come close to what Chief did the last couple rounds.
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transience | Posted 11/2/2007 11:02:01 AM | message detail
well, the problem for MC is going to be if L digs a Kratos/Sonic-like hole for him that even the wildest day vote imaginable can't dig their way out of. I mean, it's not like MC beat Dante by a ton, and Dante hasn't even been mentioned on this page.
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creativename | Posted 11/2/2007 11:07:06 AM | message detail
I guarantee that if Chief wins, it will be the biggest day vote swing we've ever seen.

Yes, this is true. If Chief wins, it might well put Sonic/Crono to shame. (that was the biggest comeback we've seen right?)

L-Block is known for being steady all day, but as we've seen, Chief isn't much stronger than even Dante until the ASV hits. He'll probably eat heavily into Snake's percentage (and also Dante's, but he'll have much less to donate). Not sure how much L-Block will go down in percent, but I don't think there's any way he'll be able to stall Chief the same way he did Snake - Chief will be making %age gains and plenty of outright cuts.

Not sure if he'll actually make vote cuts long-term though - L-Block might start off way higher than him in percentage, and so Chief's swing might only mean vote stalls, or relatively small vote cuts. The problem for Chief is that he'll be way more down than Snake was. But there should be plenty of updates where he vote cuts huge. There might even be a handful of updates where he vote cuts Snake, though those will be rare and Snake will finish way higher than Chief.
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Keno316 | Posted 11/2/2007 11:08:22 AM | message detail
L-Block is steady all day, and a monster at night. His worst time has always been the morning vote, and that has mainly always been in the process of stabilizing his %s.
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creativename | Posted 11/2/2007 11:09:15 AM | message detail
well, the problem for MC is going to be if L digs a Kratos/Sonic-like hole for him that even the wildest day vote imaginable can't dig their way out of. I mean, it's not like MC beat Dante by a ton, and Dante hasn't even been mentioned on this page.

Basically what I was trying to say, more concisely.

And I was mentioning Dante just then, and also implicitly talking about him when I was talking about Squall, duh ^_^
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/2/2007 11:15:09 AM | message detail
Link averaging nearly 40% BEFORE school lets out? Oh man, I didn't see that. We're looking at an over 40% finish here. Now THAT'S the Link I know
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Lopen | Posted 11/2/2007 11:38:34 AM | message detail
I could see Master Chief dropping down 2-3k in the first couple of hours like Sonic did and still manage to come back. That's how ridiculous I think an L-Block/MC swing is going to be. However, I don't think MC will fall behind as far as Sonic did. Even though he's relatively worse with the board vote and the night vote, I think MC's "voter floor" that I've been talking about will save him from dropping too low, even in the face of a front-loaded L and a horrible night.

And EC is right, bless believing soul. The only reason Master Chief is being ignored here is because of past expectations. Just taking this contest alone at its face value, MC has looked about as good as Snake. Forget Sonic.

47% on Ryu/Riku/Nightmare or 43% on Yuna/Alucard/Liquid?
57% on Vyse/Nightmare/Rayman or 45% on Yuna/Vercetti/Parappa?
32% on Block/Riku/Kratos or 35% on Ganon/Luigi/Yuna?

Granted that last one might have Solid **** to blame, but who really knows how much it hurt him. The effects of the sprite round have varied from ridiculous (2004 against Frog) to negligible. (2006 against Yoshi) Master Chief should not be ignored, here... and I also don't think L-Block is quite the lock for 28% as it seems.
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Mumei | Posted 11/2/2007 11:45:48 AM | message detail
Round 1: 40,116
Round 2: 37,825
Round 3: 40,774
Round 4: 44,753

Is it possible that maybe the Block just has a base of, say, 35,000 votes he's guaranteed to get or something, rather than a percentage he's guaranteed to pull?

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Tohoya | Posted 11/2/2007 11:46:46 AM | message detail
Why are we acting like voting trends affect matches now?

I was under the impression that voyting trends merely explained when characters get them ajority of their votes, not how many votes they got.
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transience | Posted 11/2/2007 11:48:25 AM | message detail
indeed. I was just talking about how L-Block is going to put MC in a place that will make him wish he was Snake after an hour. we might see a 500 vote lead at the first update.
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