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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/1/2007 10:13:24 PM | message detail
SBOGFHF for 2k8 imho
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ZFS | Posted 11/1/2007 10:13:44 PM | message detail
"Random Piece of Final Fantasy VII Furniture" or "Single Blade of Grass from Hyrule Field" would have won Balthier's fourpack. Poor, stupid Balthier.

I think we're starting to get out of hand with this. :)

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hochiminh155 | Posted 11/1/2007 10:14:15 PM | message detail
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I still don't get why Seph is doing so bad here. You mean to tell me Samus hurts Seph more than Solid Snake?
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/1/2007 10:15:06 PM | message detail
SPF strikes again !!
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Seginustemple | Posted 11/1/2007 10:15:10 PM | message detail
Seginustemple, I think you're way over-thinking things.

Which I was going to say even before I read your last line, so it seems you do realize that :)


Well, I know I voted for the block thinking he had no chance. I just wonder how many people did the exact same thing, and now resent it....
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creativename | Posted 11/1/2007 10:15:55 PM | message detail
"Random Piece of Final Fantasy VII Furniture" would be stronger than Midgar Zolom or Shinra Soldier or whatever the hell it is. Once again, it's the sheer audacity of the entrant that will draw in the joke votes.

Agreed, but mainly because of the name factor. "Nibelheim inn couch" would suck ass beyond belief.

"Random Piece of Final Fantasy VII Furniture" or "Single Blade of Grass from Hyrule Field" would have won Balthier's fourpack. Poor, stupid Balthier.

Might agree on the former, no on the latter - Hyrule!="The Legend of Zelda" :) That's pretty significant.

I'm pretty sure that long-ass name would help it get a lot more attention, and thus more votes, than if it was called "Hyrule Grass" though.
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Lopen | Posted 11/1/2007 10:15:56 PM | message detail
Eh... I still think the Zolom is far enough removed from an actual character that it has enough utter stupidity to get those votes. I wouldn't think the blade of grass or FFVII furniture would win any four pack in this bracket. Hell, not even second place.
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 11/1/2007 10:15:59 PM | message detail
Well, I know I voted for the block thinking he had no chance. I just wonder how many people did the exact same thing, and now resent it....

I said the same thing last night. I voted for L-Block never suspecting Sonic could have used my vote.
The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/1/2007 10:16:15 PM | message detail
Maybe voters are just smarter. In the Battle Royale, last place was eliminated. Here, it's top 2 move on. In those polls, Sephiroth was actually in danger so he got some vote support. Maybe voters are smart enough to judge that Seph has virtually no chance here so they just vote for Cloud to be safe
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/1/2007 10:17:12 PM | message detail
GameFAQs needs to hold a "Most Powerful Character Ever" poll. Link and Cloud would probably win anyway, but if voters were a little more intelligent (I'm not going to give them the credit to vote for Lenneth or KOSy en-masse), we could see an epic Samus vs. Sonic match in the final.
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creativename | Posted 11/1/2007 10:18:02 PM | message detail
I still don't get why Seph is doing so bad here. You mean to tell me Samus hurts Seph more than Solid Snake?

Like I said early in this match, these results right now don't entirely make sense to me, even though I did suspect Samus would finish higher than Sephiroth.
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ZFS | Posted 11/1/2007 10:18:08 PM | message detail
Eh... I still think the Zolom is far enough removed from an actual character that it has enough utter stupidity to get those votes. I wouldn't think the blade of grass or FFVII furniture would win any four pack in this bracket. Hell, not even second place.

I agree with this.

"Hyrule Blade of Gross" or "FF7 Furniture" isn't going to actually beat characters of note -- including the likes of Balthier and Ada Wong. Those two things are a world of difference from L-Block, or even Bidoof. There's nothing about them that people are supposed to like -- it's all namesake that would push that, and only the hardest of the hardcore are going to go that route.

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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/1/2007 10:18:16 PM | message detail
Might agree on the former, no on the latter - Hyrule!="The Legend of Zelda" :) That's pretty significant.

I'm pretty sure that long-ass name would help it get a lot more attention, and thus more votes, than if it was called "Hyrule Grass" though.


Yeah, completely agree. Also, while this stuff is fun to chat about, I think good ol' blocky fills our audacious and bodacious joke vote quota pretty nicely.
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creativename | Posted 11/1/2007 10:20:14 PM | message detail
Maybe voters are just smarter. In the Battle Royale, last place was eliminated. Here, it's top 2 move on. In those polls, Sephiroth was actually in danger so he got some vote support. Maybe voters are smart enough to judge that Seph has virtually no chance here so they just vote for Cloud to be safe

But that would imply less skewed and less top-heavy results for the BR, not more. And look at what happened to Mario and Samus there. Where were their fans if they knew this? Why would they vote for Link?

Unless you want to complicate it further by saying FF7 voters are smarter :)
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/1/2007 10:21:50 PM | message detail
And look at what happened to Mario and Samus there. Where were their fans if they knew this? Why would they vote for Link?

Nintendo fans don't care they clearly just flip coins for their vote. I know this after extensive study on the subject
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/1/2007 10:22:23 PM | message detail
Also, why did Mario beat Samus? There were lots of heads landings that day
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Seginustemple | Posted 11/1/2007 10:23:05 PM | message detail
Unless you want to complicate it further by saying FF7 voters are smarter :)

I know a certain vietnamese leader who might!
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Lopen | Posted 11/1/2007 10:23:13 PM | message detail
But that would imply less skewed and less top-heavy results for the BR, not more. And look at what happened to Mario and Samus there. Where were their fans if they knew this? Why would they vote for Link?

Unless you want to complicate it further by saying FF7 voters are smarter :)


But the difference is that regular voters have had months to absorb the rules of this format, whereas in the battle royal there was a text explanation but only people who were actually really paying attention knew exactly how it worked, I bet.
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creativename | Posted 11/1/2007 10:24:07 PM | message detail
"Hyrule Blade of Gross" or "FF7 Furniture" isn't going to actually beat characters of note -- including the likes of Balthier and Ada Wong. Those two things are a world of difference from L-Block, or even Bidoof. There's nothing about them that people are supposed to like -- it's all namesake that would push that, and only the hardest of the hardcore are going to go that route.

I agree with you...though, the presence of "Final Fantasy 7" or "The Legend of Zelda" in the poll option's actual name would make its possible range very wide.

Name factor probably puts picture factor to shame. For instance, when does Cloud do better - listed as Cloud with a picture of Tingle, or listed as Tingle but with a picture of Cloud? The name is what people in the end vote with; mess up the picture and people get confused, but mess up the name and people aren't going to vote based on the picture, they'll probably vote based on the name.
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paraboxx | Posted 11/1/2007 10:25:48 PM | message detail
GameFAQs needs to hold a "Most Powerful Character Ever" poll.

I really don't think this would change the results much.

Be an easy way to tell, though. Hold Mario vs. Samus again, with the poll question asking "Who is the strongest character". If Mario still wins? Not worth it.

If Samus wins? ...still not sure I'd want to see that contest, but at least the idea might have merit.
creativename | Posted 11/1/2007 10:26:36 PM | message detail
But the difference is that regular voters have had months to absorb the rules of this format, whereas in the battle royal there was a text explanation but only people who were actually really paying attention knew exactly how it worked, I bet.

No, because it's not that FF7 fans are smarter now then everyone was then, it's that FF7 fans were smarter than Nintendo fans were then. Because he was saying that's why they voted Sephiroth back then. But Nintendo fans didn't vote for Mario or Samus then.

Basically, I don't think any of this rules-based voting is really a valid line of reasoning as a way to explain the differences between the BR and this format :)
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/1/2007 10:27:31 PM | message detail
And Sephiroth finally wins his first update over Samus.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/1/2007 10:28:11 PM | message detail
Coin-flipping. I already told you. Solid, undeniable, undisprovable
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Lopen | Posted 11/1/2007 10:29:00 PM | message detail
Well also, by the time Sephiroth was in danger of being eliminated, the format had been going for a few days. The Nintendo characters were eliminated first and second, and this is how it'd be expected to go without any strategizing.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/1/2007 10:31:25 PM | message detail
Geez Samus is dying more than I expected. At first I thought 16% was a vast undershot buuuuuuuut maybe not >_>
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/1/2007 10:32:07 PM | message detail
Though it'd be nice if Link decided to die a bit too. He seems to have a problem with letting go of percentage
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creativename | Posted 11/1/2007 10:36:58 PM | message detail
Samus is not going to finish under 16%. I still think she gets 18+%, but not under 16.

Well also, by the time Sephiroth was in danger of being eliminated, the format had been going for a few days. The Nintendo characters were eliminated first and second, and this is how it'd be expected to go without any strategizing.

This is, like, the textbook example of over-thinking things IMO >_>


BTW, I think T-Block would've been the strongest Tetris Block in this contest. Lots would say I-Block, but with a bad picture he might be completely unrecognizable, he's not distinctive as a Tetris block (I think T-block would be the least pic-sensitive block). I could see Z-Block doing well, don't know how it would do compared to L. I have no idea how Square block would do.

You know it's funny, who ever suspected there were multiple Noble-Nine busting characters that never made it to these contests eh? Because if this is true T-Block is one too :)
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 11/1/2007 10:40:09 PM | message detail
aww yeah Link Chmofsky
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Haste_2 | Posted 11/1/2007 10:47:26 PM | message detail
Round 4 x-stats!

Cloud - 54.00%
Samus - 43.00%
Mega Man - 30.00%
Ryu - 20.00%

Link - 55.00%
Sephiroth - 50.25%
Mario - 38.50%
Vincent - 19.25%

Master Chief - 37.00%
Dante - 32.50%
Luigi - 29.25%
Pikachu - 24.00%

L-Block - 45.00%
Solid Snake - 44.75%
Sonic - 36.00%
Squall - 34.50%

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Gaddswell | Posted 11/1/2007 10:48:01 PM | message detail
Square Block would get the Square votes!
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Haste_2 | Posted 11/1/2007 10:49:50 PM | message detail
I wonder what would happen if we had "Zelda vs. Mario" and Zelda had a Link picture...

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/1/2007 10:50:51 PM | message detail
Wait...are those stats in relation to BL?
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Haste_2 | Posted 11/1/2007 10:51:42 PM | message detail
Yeah, BL stats.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/1/2007 10:52:43 PM | message detail
L-Block at 45% on BL makes me lol.
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/1/2007 10:52:53 PM | message detail
Kay, Cloud, it's nice that you can get close to him, but mind actually winning an update or two? =/
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/1/2007 10:53:39 PM | message detail
SMAUS just stole all of Link's votes.
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ZFS | Posted 11/1/2007 10:57:19 PM | message detail
Cloud will probably end up winning a number of them soon.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/1/2007 10:58:10 PM | message detail
Keep dreamin'.
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creativename | Posted 11/1/2007 10:58:11 PM | message detail
I wonder what would happen if we had "Zelda vs. Mario" and Zelda had a Link picture...

I think Mario would have that. Name factor>>pic factor.

I'm not sure about Mario vs. Link with a Zelda picture though, I think that's very unpredictable. I think Mario could possibly win that - it would be like ZSS in impact, but probably much worse.
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/1/2007 11:00:55 PM | message detail
hey hm stop jinxing it cloud loves me more
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/1/2007 11:01:44 PM | message detail
From creativename Posted 11/2/2007 1:58:11 AM #289
I wonder what would happen if we had "Zelda vs. Mario" and Zelda had a Link picture...

I think Mario would have that. Name factor>>pic factor.

I'm not sure about Mario vs. Link with a Zelda picture though, I think that's very unpredictable. I think Mario could possibly win that - it would be like ZSS in impact, but probably much worse.


Am I the only one that this makes no sense at all to?
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wavedash101 | Posted 11/1/2007 11:03:47 PM | message detail
that makes no sense
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/1/2007 11:06:37 PM | message detail
Man, Link is just so damn disgusting in these contests. It doesn't really sink in until you think about it and then realize that he's been in 29 contest matches (including BR) and has gotten 1st place in all but one of them.

I mean what the hell.
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Haste_2 | Posted 11/1/2007 11:08:12 PM | message detail
I just brought that up because I thought it was funny... I mean, there are a lot of people who think Link IS called Zelda...

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/1/2007 11:09:34 PM | message detail
I think the Link/Zelda thing was rendered negilgable during the Link/Zelda/Vincent/Bidoof match.
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 11/1/2007 11:11:53 PM | message detail
From KleenexTissue50 Posted 11/2/2007 2:09:34 AM #295
I think the Link/Zelda thing was rendered negilgable during the Link/Zelda/Vincent/Bidoof match.

Yeah, but that's because he was given the right name. A picture of Link with the name "Link" next to it and "Zelda" somewhere else is entirely different from a picture of Link with the name "Zelda" in it, but no name "Link" or picture Zelda to be found. >=/
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creativename | Posted 11/1/2007 11:22:32 PM | message detail
I'm going to switch the order of the updates around and put the percent per update ahead of votes per update. Is anyone against this?

I just brought that up because I thought it was funny... I mean, there are a lot of people who think Link IS called Zelda...

Yes I know that's what you were getting at, but clearly, they're a very small minority on this site :)
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creativename | Posted 11/1/2007 11:28:11 PM | message detail
Bear with me while I work out some bugs, columns will be messed up for now.
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creativename | Posted 11/1/2007 11:36:10 PM | message detail
All right, done.

Is this better or worse?
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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/1/2007 11:38:09 PM | message detail
I'm cool with either way.

Cloud will start winning updates soon, looks like.
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