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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 538

transience | Posted 10/29/2007 11:58:31 PM | message detail
honestly, I have no problem with someone suggesting Pikachu will take second just because everything involving Pikachu this year has been Weird.

it's tough to use logical arguments to support yourself though when Leon beat Pikachu by a good 10%.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/30/2007 12:01:06 AM | message detail
That's true, but Pikachu needs to beat Luigi to do it, and that honestly sounds weirder than anything we've seen so far. He still hasn't faced any Nintendo characters.
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Big Bob | Posted 10/30/2007 12:02:00 AM | message detail
Actually, the only thing that needs to happen is Ulti deciding that Master Chief > Dante is the obvious result. You know it.
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transience | Posted 10/30/2007 12:02:08 AM | message detail
yeah, but Luigi did face Mudkip, who almost beat him. and Bowser faced Mewtwo, who didn't exactly crumble against him.

say what you will about stuffing or joke characters or whatever, the fact remains that freaking Mudkip led Luigi for hours.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/30/2007 12:02:10 AM | message detail
Time .| Seph ....| Mario ....| Link .......| Vincent
01:00 | 29.95% | 25.18% | 35.59% | 9.28%
02:00 | 30.56% | 24.08% | 35.47% | 09.89%
03:00 | 32.31% | 21.87% | 35.73% | 10.09%

T-30 minutes before Sephiroth starts kicking Link's ass
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Shaggy_Heru | Posted 10/30/2007 12:06:41 AM | message detail
would Tidus/Leon/Vivi be considered to be a lot stronger than Dante/Amaterasu/Leon? They are certainly much tougher than his round one competition. They would have to be 1 1/2 times stronger to take that many votes from him. If so then maybe Pika does fail with serious opponents.

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BesaidGuy | Posted 10/30/2007 12:07:18 AM | message detail
1.People thinking Link will lose=LOL

Someone needs to pull up last years poll in which Link drops 42% in Snake/Sephy/Cloud


2.Master Chief>Pikachu for sure
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transience | Posted 10/30/2007 12:07:58 AM | message detail
strength-wise, Dante > Leon > Vivi > Tidus > Amaterasu. the problem is gauging the overlap between Tidus/Vivi and Dante/Leon.
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ZFS | Posted 10/30/2007 12:09:59 AM | message detail

Someone needs to pull up last years poll in which Link drops 42% in Snake/Sephy/Cloud


That doesn't exactly inspire a whole lot of confidence when he put up 45% on Crono/Vincent/Zero. Link is still looking like he's going to win the contest, though.

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BesaidGuy | Posted 10/30/2007 12:17:10 AM | message detail
His votals are only low because of Mario.

I honestly think, and while many others will disagree with me, that the SFF factor between Link and Mario is the strongest out of any characters not from the same game.

They are 2 of the biggest top 3 faces of gaming. They have both been flagship and launch titles for Nintendo systems.

-Both have 2 games on the top 10 greatest games ever(SMB3, SMW,LtTP,OoT)
-They both have current games on the biggest systems out, DS/Wii
-They both have nostalgia factor


Link is going to drop 40% in the Finals or more.



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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 10/30/2007 12:19:24 AM | message detail
Someone needs to pull up last years poll in which Link drops 42% in Snake/Sephy/Cloud

35.52% - Link's % against Sephiroth/Mario/Vincent 2k7 3:15am
35.27% - Link's % against Sephiroth/Mario/Cloud/Snake 2k6 3:15am

Can't say that Link is looking as good as last year. Whether that's lost strength, or simply lost SFF power though is still to be determined.
YoAriel33 | Posted 10/30/2007 12:22:31 AM | message detail
The Battle Royal could have simply produced very skewed results. Look at how badly Samus spanked Mega Man yesterday, and then look at the egg she laid in the Battle Royal. Throw Mega Man in the Battle Royal, and I'd be surprised to see him do worse, even though yesterday's result tells us he certainly should.
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Shaggy_Heru | Posted 10/30/2007 12:24:12 AM | message detail
From transience
strength-wise, Dante > Leon > Vivi > Tidus > Amaterasu. the problem is gauging the overlap between Tidus/Vivi and Dante/Leon.

that's a good point. I guess the real question is can Luigi steal more of Pika's votes than Tidus/Vivi. I'm thinking its probably yes. damn.

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/30/2007 12:25:09 AM | message detail
Hmm not sure what to say about Link here, I thought that Sephiorth would be closer, and but it seems odd that Mario would steal votes from him when Link SFF'D Mario in the last multi poll.

nice to see Vincent getting dominated, Crono would have done much better (like 13%).

Wow Cloud really did destroy his competition. This is why Clinkeroth never should be removed from the bracket. While Link most likely will win, Cloud is right now looking like a big threat, perhaps even he's the favourite right now?
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 10/30/2007 12:38:03 AM | message detail
The Battle Royal could have simply produced very skewed results. Look at how badly Samus spanked Mega Man yesterday, and then look at the egg she laid in the Battle Royal. Throw Mega Man in the Battle Royal, and I'd be surprised to see him do worse, even though yesterday's result tells us he certainly should.

Eh, seeing what Mega Man did in his one match against Link doesn't inspire me with great confidence about how well he would do in a poll with Link and Mario.

I do agree that the battle royal seems completely messed up though.
SmurfFAQs | Posted 10/30/2007 1:48:38 AM | message detail
I'm liking this result today. Sephy this close with Vincent holding him back puts Cloud in the driving seat as far as I'm concerned.

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I didn't think that a N9, even if he's Crono, would lose to Vincent....And I'm not a furry, damnit!
transience | Posted 10/30/2007 2:04:58 AM | message detail
hey, Sephiroth won an hour. not bad - too bad the morning and day votes will push you down a good amount.
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/30/2007 2:06:19 AM | message detail
Good stuff today.

First of all, we now know that the Battle Royale is a bunch of bullcrap now (I've always thought it might be, but not for sure...)! Secondly... I was always skeptical of Link being able to SFF Mario, with that 2K2 match and how badly Mario SFFed Samus. It's quite clear Mario is avoiding SFF today, especially since Mario is currently worth 40% on Link in the poll (slightly less using Morgoth's formula). And... that means the 2K2 stats argument can finally come to rest: Link/Sephiroth was indeed the main anomaly. I was expecting Mario to get hurt by the format more than this, though.

I don't think this is a sign of weakness for Link, but I figure it opens the door a little more for Cloud > Link if only because Link doesn't seem strengthened in 4-way polls... in otherwords, Cloud/Link should still be pretty close in a normal match. It's looking more likely to me that the right other two characters could allow Cloud to pull it off. Let me direct you to this match:

Let's compare Mario/Seph this round to Mario/Seph last round... this far in the poll...
Sephiroth - 31.33%
Mario - 23.55%

At the same time last round:
Sephiroth - 43.37%
Mario - 35.77%

Not that it means much of anything, but I'll point out that Link is hurting Mario more than Vincent is hurting Sephiroth, at this rate.

Mario doing vastly better than we ever imagined here
Really, now... why were so many so confident in Link killing Mario? I just don't get it. That meaningless Battle Royale?

If you had told me he'd be tripling Vincent, I'd have called you crazy.
Never understood this either. This is the beloved Sephiroth we're talking about here. Vincent is little more than someone who's riding off the FF7 fanbase. Vincent is not a fan-favorite.... I'm afraid Cloud and Sephiroth get that title. =p But, after today, I'm wanting to see a Sephiroth vs. Aeris match even more. =P

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/30/2007 2:22:45 AM | message detail
I wonder how many accounts would be banned during a 1 on 1 match with Sephiroth and Aeris :P

Nice to see that Seph is doing something to Link, I highly doubt that he will get the lead, or even make Link's lead below 1000, but he should finish with about 3% away from Link.
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/30/2007 2:22:46 AM | message detail
I'm liking this result today. Sephy this close with Vincent holding him back puts Cloud in the driving seat as far as I'm concerned.

Let's see here... Sephiroth + Vincent = 41.40%. Link = 35.23%. So, Cloud alone getting 41.40% might be fair enough to say, unless you want to say Cloud would beat Sephiroth with more than 52% or so. Too bad Link is going to gain big in the day (and of course Mario is hurting Link).

Oh, and Vincent won an update over Mario. =p

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ejm5446 | Posted 10/30/2007 2:23:19 AM | message detail
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/30/2007 2:30:13 AM | message detail
All this "character Y is hurting character X" is really overrated. Considering how Link OWNED Mario last year in a similair poll, I don't see how Mario all of a sudden got so many who prefed him over Link in just one year. Most of the voters aren't fanboys you know.

I'm not saying that Mario isn't hurting Link at all, but if it was Sonic or Masterchief in the poll instead of Mario, I doubt that Link would be more than 5% away from Sephiroth anyway.
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voltch | Posted 10/30/2007 2:35:49 AM | message detail
If you have a situation involving Link/cloud and two other nintendo beasts does link still pull through ahead of the rest?
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/30/2007 2:47:45 AM | message detail
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/30/2007 3:00:50 AM | message detail
If you have a situation involving Link/cloud and two other nintendo beasts does link still pull through ahead of the rest?

No way Link could beat Cloud in that case. The problem is... well, we'll never really get that chance. I think the closest we'd be able to get to that is Link/Cloud/Snake/Sonic in the final,.

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Gaddswell | Posted 10/30/2007 3:09:04 AM | message detail
Whoa, sure is strange to see Seph stalling and cutting into Link during the night.

Almost time for the morning vote!

By the way, has Stars and Turds of Round 3 been done?
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/30/2007 3:15:44 AM | message detail
Since it's obvious that Link and Cloud will be in the finals, here's my thought about which of the 8 other characters would favour Link or Cloud. Personally I think it's the other two opponents who will decide if Link or Cloud wins this year.

Masterchief: Masterchief has his own little fanbase, and mainstream voters. Cloud and Link are obviously way to strong for him to get 2nd place in the finals, but since he attracts mainstream voters it's hard to deny that he can take away votes from both characters. Personally I think Link would suffer a little more than Cloud from Masterchief since Cloud most likely has a more loyal fanbase while Link attracts more mainsteam and casual voters. But he's still one of the most "fair" character to have in the final. ADVANTAGE: Cloud

Luigi We have seen Link trashed Mario in SFF battles, we have seen Link trashed Yoshi as well. While I can see that Mario could hurt Link a little today, there's no way that Link wouldn't SFF Luigi to hell in the finals. This is by far the worst character to have in the final for Cloud, while it's the best character for Link. Then again, does anyone believe that Luigi will get to the finals? ADVANTAGE: Link

Dante I think that having Dante in the finals would be the same as having Masterchief, except that he could take away more of the "Playstation" votes away from Cloud than the mainstream votes from Link. Dante most likely won't get in to final tough, so why even bother who would have the advantage, but I think Link would have a small advantage here. ADVANTAGE: Link

Pikachu Another Nintendo character who Link would like to SFF as hell in the finals and then he would just have to worry about the other two characters. However Luigi has a bigger chance than Pikachu to reach the finals, and Luigi chances are very small. ADVANTAGE: Link

Solid Snake Pretty much everyone here believes that Snake will be in the finals, and he's one of the most fair characters to have in there. Super Smash Brawl Hype pretty much cancels out the "Playstation votes", and we saw how much both Link and Cloud gained from Snake last year. Cloud gained 11% from the previous match while Link gained 8, so personally I think that he would favor Link more than Cloud. ADVANTAGE: Link

The L-Block
Seriously I have no idea who gets the advantage if the L-Block actually upsets Sonic or Snake in the next round. HIs support mostly comes from Gamefaqs users right, where Cloud is stronger than Link? I dunno..... ADVANTAGE: Link

Sonic the Hedgehog

While Sonic isn't exactly a Nintendo character, it's hard to deny that he and Link would share the same kind of fanbase. The big question is tough if Sonic would steal votes from Link, or if he would get SFF'D by Link. I'm not really that sure, but it's better for Cloud if Sonic makes it than any real Nintendo character or Dante. But I wouldn't expect Sonic to win/lose that much just because Link is also in the poll. After Snake and Masterchief he's the most fair opponent. ADVANTAGE: Cloud

Squall

This is the only character that I'm 100% certain that Cloud would like to have. Remember when Squall pull those "respectable" 24% on Cloud? Squall wouldn't hurt Cloud in the finals, it work in the other way. If Squall somehow miraculously makes it to the finals, then Link is in a tight spot unless the 4th opponent is Luigi or Pikachu.
ADVANTAGE: Cloud

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/30/2007 3:24:59 AM | message detail
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stained glass | Posted 10/30/2007 3:26:17 AM | message detail
^That doesn't make sense. Even if Link massively SFFs the nintendo char's they'll still be taking more votes from him than from Cloud.
SmurfFAQs | Posted 10/30/2007 3:29:54 AM | message detail
I don't think you understand how SFF works Zylo. >_>

There's no situation where having a character from the same fanbase would be good for Cloud or Link.

Link wants Sonic to falter, Cloud wants Snake to falter. Thats the sum of it.
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 10/30/2007 3:36:23 AM | message detail
Yeah, if Squall makes it you can pencil in Link as champion, no questions asked. If he doesn't and either Luigi or Pikachu made it, Cloud wins. The rest are far more even in my opinion, with Dante and Snake hurting Cloud a bit more, Sonic and L-Block hurting Link a bit more. Master Chief would likely be an even split.
swirIdude | Posted 10/30/2007 4:31:16 AM | message detail
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Twilight Swift | Posted 10/30/2007 4:41:52 AM | message detail
People do realize, from viewing the last 2 matches of last year's royale for evidence, that Snake massively helped Link right? Now, since Sephiroth is in next round's match it's safe to say Link will win. If Snake makes the final, Cloud's going to need more than Sonic (if he gets there) to beat Link. The way this format goes it's so hard to pinpoint SFF, but I don't think Snake will have lost that Sony feeling people have for him where he sapped from Cloud last year.
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 10/30/2007 4:46:29 AM | message detail
I really don't get why everyone keeps thinking Snake massively helped Link. Here's where his percentage went:

10.36% to Cloud
9.28% to Link

That's 52.75% to Cloud. He hurts him, sure, but not by much.
Twilight Swift | Posted 10/30/2007 4:49:52 AM | message detail
That extra 2000 ish votes is huge since Cloud/Link are always neck and neck, sans last year. Their past few were settled by 3000-4000 ish, it could just make the difference with another SFFer there, you know?
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 10/30/2007 4:50:45 AM | message detail
Of course. On the other hand, I'd expect Sonic to hurt Link more than Snake hurt Cloud.
Twilight Swift | Posted 10/30/2007 4:53:47 AM | message detail
If Sonic even gets there. Besides the notion that Squall/Sonic SFF each other, people hoping they do, Sonic already only beat him with another person SFFing him (odds are more than Sonic) by like 2k? Why is he still considered a lock? I don't get it? I know he has defied the odds before in this contest and this forum is still full of people who can't get over their childhood buddy, but he definitely did not impress at all last round vs mediocre competition (so it should have been for him.)
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Twilight Swift | Posted 10/30/2007 4:56:27 AM | message detail
Plus, Mario's votes last year went 66% to Link and it seems Mario is way stronger this year, at least in terms of keeping the Nintendo fanbase from totally flocking to Link. I have a feeling next round will be punishing for Cloud/Seph.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/30/2007 5:00:05 AM | message detail
I don't think you understand how SFF works Zylo. >_>

So who do you think would get the most votes in the final, Luigi or Dante? Luigi is about as popular as Dante, but with Link in the poll there's no way that he gets more percent than Dante.

It's everyone who has jumped on the LFF or whatever they called it and forget to use common sense.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/30/2007 5:01:07 AM | message detail
Ive been meaning to ask.

What the hell is this LFF shenanigans about? What the hell IS LFF >_>?
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/30/2007 5:07:26 AM | message detail
What the hell is this LFF shenanigans about? What the hell IS LFF

It's some mubo jumbo that people made up. butis the same thing as rSFF. For example Kirby lost to Kratos and the L-Block because DK was also in the poll and made Kirby look a lot weaker. Or Squall lost to Sonic because a lot of potential Squall voters voted for Sora instead because everyone loves Sora more than Squall.

The LFF also means that everyone voter is a mindless company fanboy, while I can agree that it works a litte, it's very overrated. DK would still have lost to Kratos even if Marth wasn't in the poll.
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Forceful Dragon | Posted 10/30/2007 5:34:30 AM | message detail
It's some mubo jumbo that people made up. butis the same thing as rSFF. For example Kirby lost to Kratos and the L-Block because DK was also in the poll and made Kirby look a lot weaker. Or Squall lost to Sonic because a lot of potential Squall voters voted for Sora instead because everyone loves Sora more than Squall.

The LFF also means that everyone voter is a mindless company fanboy, while I can agree that it works a litte, it's very overrated. DK would still have lost to Kratos even if Marth wasn't in the poll



Way to use the worst possible examples.

How about this one?

Arthas: 21950
Diablo: 21603
KOS-MOS: 25822


Are you going to tell me that had there only been 1 Blizzard character in that match that KOS-MOS would have still earned 2nd place?

And in the case of Squall / Sora, its not so much that "a lot of people who would normally vote Squall like Sora better" as "some people who would normally vote Squall like Sora better"

It is difficult to determine just how much of an effect actually occurs from this, but it would be unreasonable to say that Sora and Squall being in the same match together had no effect on squall performance. And there are of course unkown factors with all of these matches. Sub-Zero for example finished last place. Who, if anyone, did he steal votes from? If his fanbase sits most closely to that of Sonic (which you might assume, seeing as both of them originated on early Sega systems) then do the votes he stole from Sonic equal or exceed those stolen from Squall by Sora?

No one has presumed to know everything about the effects of fanbases and how votes are stolen in these 4-way style matches, but you cannot deny it occurs. I think the KOS-MOS / Arthas / Diablo is more than proof enough for that.


I agree that sonic is probably still stronger than Squall, but something else to consider is that fact that some characters are simply going to be made naturally stronger by this 4-way style. Suppose in a 1v1 Squall would get 47% to Sonics 53%. But in this case, EVERYONE has to vote for either Squall or Sonic. There just wasn't any other choice, other than not voting.

Now throw in another character, lets say, Tails. Now tails is weak, but he is not without fans. In the 3 way match he'd be lucky to break 12% versus Squall and Sonic, but lets say he manages a whole 11% of the total votes. Of those 11% wouldn't it be safe to say that more of those came from people who previously voted Sonic? Because some sonic fans will vote for sonic over squall, but when it comes down to it, they just happen to like tails better. And hell there may have been some people who voted for squall who are closet tails fanatics. But honestly, Sonic takes a larger hit from the introduction of tails than Squall does, so lets say sonic loses 8% and squall loses 3.

We are now looking at 44% - 45% - 11%.

But when you throw in another character, lets say Meta Knight its gets confusing.
Who does meta knight steal from?
Does he steal from everyone evenly?
How many of sonics initial 53% only voted for sonic because they despise RPGs and Final Fantasy in particular?
----If there were a lot of these people how many of them will vote for Meta Knight, now given a Non Final Fantasy choice besides sonic?

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Forceful Dragon | Posted 10/30/2007 5:39:46 AM | message detail
The point is basically there are some extreme cases where you cannot deny that characters of the same fan base have had the effect of weakening each other allowing characters to advance who otherwise would not have.

Ryu would probably have lost to Bowser if it were 1v1, but it was clear to many, myself included that Toad and Mewtwo would adversely affect bowsers performance.

The case of Kirby/Kratos/DK is more abiguous than most on account of L-Block though. When you have such a wildly successful "joke character" the most relevant question to ask is "which characters voters are least likely to ditch them in favor of the comedy option". I voted for L block instead of kirby making me responsible for 1 less kirby vote. Is it possibly that for whatever reason the fans of Kraos are inherently less likely to abandon their character for a joke like L-Block?

The DK/Kirby connection un doubtably had some effect, but whether or not it was a critical effect is impossible to say.

(But we know this effect has been critical in other matches, so to dismiss it entirely would be wrong as well)

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Kyle Bowen | Posted 10/30/2007 6:05:44 AM | message detail
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RPGGamer0 | Posted 10/30/2007 6:52:27 AM | message detail
Sephiroth > Mario would be like 54-46 1v1. >_>

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hochiminh155 | Posted 10/30/2007 6:53:12 AM | message detail
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/30/2007 6:59:44 AM | message detail
Last year if Link/Mario was one on one Mario would've only got 24.26%, but right now he's expected to get 39.45%. Are Mario fans also Snake fans?
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/30/2007 7:03:24 AM | message detail
Why even bother asking? We should all know now that Battle Royale last year was a bunch of garbage.

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swirIdude | Posted 10/30/2007 7:04:04 AM | message detail
Garbage?

SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!
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