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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 536
| Ed Bellis | Posted 10/28/2007 10:03:26 AM | message detail |
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From creativename Posted 10/28/2007 12:57:12 PM #190 What is weird about either result? IIRC Snake beat Squall by a lot worse than he was projected to both times. Maybe I'm wrong on that count, though. --- This was KING BELLIS LOL "OoT doesn't have "the magic" because it has no Tingle." - onethousandfingers |
| consolefreak | Posted 10/28/2007 10:05:23 AM | message detail |
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Also regarding Squall/Snake SFF...I always said that was garbage.
The only reason to believe it was wild misattribution of Kingdom Hearts
factor to dumb Squall/Snake SFF. However after Snake stomped Squall last year I wondered a bit if I was hugely wrong, and Snake did SFF Squall? But obviously that was not the case and Squall did awesome in that match in retrospect. ...perhaps even overperforming. So now people are saying Squall SFFed Snake!! I mean good grief. Squall/Snake SFF is just another of those silly myths that people absolutely refuse to let go of for whatever reason. Just let it go :) SFF doesn't need to favour either character to be present. Also, http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2014 People are way overreacting about Squall's performance. My original Oracle prediction for him was over 29.5% (and I curse myself for lowering it now). I assumed little to no LFF or SFF between Squall and Sora in my original prediction That's why you are underreacting.. or something. The problem with no Squall/Sora SFF is that they actually share a game, one which we know meant quite a bit to Squall's popularity. It does seem the Aeris/Squall overlap is much bigger, due to generational issues, even though they don't share a game (KH probably means next to nothing for Aeris). But I don't know about totally dismissing the idea of Sora/Squall SFF, though smitelf's points were good. I said Aeris is more related to Squall than to Sora (in bad grammar). There is definitely Squall-Sora SFF. Or LFF, whatever. --- 268/368. Today : Sonic > Squall Tomorrow : Cloud > Samus *One_Winged_Ange* |
| satai_delenn | Posted 10/28/2007 10:08:55 AM | message detail |
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It occurs to me that Sonic might be suffering from Dante syndrome
here--in the sense that in his last two matches there really wasn't
much competition and a lot of people who didn't have much reason to
care about any
of the characters in the match just voted for Sonic because he was
recognizable and generally popular (as opposed to Dante, who gets the
votes because he's "cool" or "badass" or whatever). I'm thinking that a
lot of the Square/RPG vote fell into this category--who else were they
going to vote for? Duke Nukem? But now, of course, the Square fans and
such have plenty of characters to vote for, taking all of those "sure,
why not, it's Sonic" votes away and making him look a lot weaker
against Squall. Which supports my CRF theory too, actually. It's not that there's any Sonic/Sora overlap or Sonic/Squall overlap or any such thing. It's just that Sonic was more recognizable/palatable to people for whom characters like the Prince of Persia and Gordon Freeman were unfamiliar, but is losing those "casual recognizability" votes now that there are more popular characters there with him. The other thing, I suppose, is that Sonic's match last round happened what, a week after the Brawl announcement? And like I said in my analysis of that match, I figured the hype over that would last a hell of a lot less time than the Snake Brawl hype. Could also be that the excitement has died down and the Brawl fans aren't so Sonic-happy anymore. --- My Contest Hero: Riku Currently playing: Aria of Sorrow, Silent Hill 2, Super Mario RPG |
| smitelf | Posted 10/28/2007 10:11:48 AM | message detail |
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2) Sora is stronger than Aeris, but Aeris is more related to Squall than to Sora is. I don't see how you can conclude that Sora is stronger than Aeris. Sora hasn't proven anything by beating a brutally LFFed Aeris in the second round. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! "I just happen to think you are an idiot. Why must it be so personal?" - Sir Chris |
| Sonic_Factor | Posted 10/28/2007 10:14:11 AM | message detail |
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45.76 on MM > 43.13 on Zelda imo. Even yuna got 42+ on zelda. --- Hi. Hello. Howdy. |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 10/28/2007 10:15:52 AM | message detail |
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Squall is looking great here, but unfortunately, it's pretty much all
for naught. I doubt he beats two Noble Niners and a Tetris block next
round, and I don't think he'd beat Sonic if this were a 1v1 match.
Sonic characters have proven, more than representatives from any other
series, that this contest is not their cup of tea. In addition, I think
Sonic might be a bit hindered by his picture disadvantage. Like I told
Draco, Sonic runs on attitude (!!), and you don't give attitude (!!) a picture like that! --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 10/28/2007 10:16:37 AM | message detail |
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I doubt he beats two Noble Niners and a Tetris block next round man oh man, how absurd this would have looked before the contest --- This was KING BELLIS LOL "OoT doesn't have "the magic" because it has no Tingle." - onethousandfingers |
| consolefreak | Posted 10/28/2007 10:17:08 AM | message detail |
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I don't see how you can conclude that Sora is stronger than Aeris.
Sora hasn't proven anything by beating a brutally LFFed Aeris in the
second round. It's not a conclusion based on their performances this year -- that is indeed risky. But it is implied from previous performances. --- 268/368. Today : Sonic > Squall Tomorrow : Cloud > Samus *One_Winged_Ange* |
| smitelf | Posted 10/28/2007 10:19:42 AM | message detail |
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That's why you are underreacting.. or something. Let's put it this way: the overlap between Squall and Aeris makes the overlap between Squall and Sora look small by comparison, so in determining the outcome of this match using results from round 2, one is better off assuming it wasn't even there. Aeris made it impossible to get an accurate read. And if Squall and Sora are interacting at all, which is debatable because of various quirks of this format, it looks like Sora is being SFFed rather than LFFed (not the first time this has happened), which doesn't lend any credence to the theory that Squall > Sonic. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! "I just happen to think you are an idiot. Why must it be so personal?" - Sir Chris |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/28/2007 10:23:26 AM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1653 I don't see how people can deny that there will be LFF in Snake/Squall after this. And Aeris/Sora in 2k3 definitely proves LFF in FF/KH matches, too. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| smitelf | Posted 10/28/2007 10:24:47 AM | message detail |
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And Aeris/Sora in 2k3 definitely proves LFF in FF/KH matches, too. No, it proves SFF in FF/KH matches. And lol 2k3 anyway. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! "I just happen to think you are an idiot. Why must it be so personal?" - Sir Chris |
| consolefreak | Posted 10/28/2007 10:28:42 AM | message detail |
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Let's put it this way: the overlap between Squall and Aeris makes
the overlap between Squall and Sora look small by comparison, so in
determining the outcome of this match using results from round 2, one
is better off assuming it wasn't even there. Aeris made it impossible
to get an accurate read. Determining the outcome of today's match has very little to do with the previous round. And the biggest reason for that is the inclusion of Sonic. You reason as if the inclusion of Sonic is largely compensated by the removal of Aeris, or is that a misinterpretation? And if Squall and Sora are interacting at all, which is debatable because of various quirks of this format, it looks like Sora is being SFFed rather than LFFed (not the first time this has happened), which doesn't lend any credence to the theory that Squall > Sonic. Except that that's crap. Assuming a perfect overlap, if Squall SFFs Sora 90-10, that's still a 10% loss of votes. If you decrease the overlap by a certain amount, that is an amount that goes entirely to Sora, and doesn't influence the Squall-Sonic relationship. --- 268/368. Today : Sonic > Squall Tomorrow : Cloud > Samus *One_Winged_Ange* |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/28/2007 10:29:45 AM | message detail |
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Came into this match hoping Sonic would demolish to give me confidence
for next round... but this result is almost as good. The entire reason
I took Sonic > Snake in the first place was next round was supposed
to be Sonic/Snake/Squall/Kratos (nevermind that I ended up putting
Kirby there instead of Kratos, and didn't change Sonic > Snake). If
Squall really is this strong, or possibly even stronger depending on
how much more he gains from Sora relative to the others in the poll, I
still feel like Sonic has a damn good chance. Probably just because of
BRACKETS, but oh well, I'll let myself be terribly disappointed in a
few days. --- Explicit Content. hungry like the wolf |
| consolefreak | Posted 10/28/2007 10:31:07 AM | message detail |
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Came into this match hoping Sonic would demolish to give me
confidence for next round... but this result is almost as good. The
entire reason I took Sonic > Snake in the first place was next round
was supposed to be Sonic/Snake/Squall/Kratos (nevermind that I ended up
putting Kirby there instead of Kratos, and didn't change Sonic >
Snake). If Squall really is this strong, or possibly even stronger
depending on how much more he gains from Sora relative to the others in
the poll, I still feel like Sonic has a damn good chance. Probably just
because of BRACKETS, but oh well, I'll let myself be terribly
disappointed in a few days. Indeed. The stronger Squall looks, the hard it'll be for Snake to maintain a high percentage next round, but the weaker Sonic looks. It's almost as if Sonic/Squall's percentages don't really matter for next round. --- 268/368. Today : Sonic > Squall Tomorrow : Cloud > Samus *One_Winged_Ange* |
| smitelf | Posted 10/28/2007 10:43:29 AM | message detail |
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Determining the outcome of today's match has very little to do with the previous round. Of course the previous matches matter in determining the results of the next one. You need to look at the various factors in previous matches to figure out how characters are going to do in the next round. Or would you disagree that Sonic's performance last round, and the supposed Brawl boost, was a big factor in the 35%+ predictions for Sonic in this match? Because just taking Sonic's x-stat and Squall's x-stat and running them through Morgoth's prediction formula would make that kind of prediction for Sonic look like lunacy. And the biggest reason for that is the inclusion of Sonic. You reason as if the inclusion of Sonic is largely compensated by the removal of Aeris, or is that a misinterpretation? That's a complete misinterpretation, or at least that's not the way I thought it through at all. I'm saying that the Squall/Aeris LFF last round made the Squall/Sora whatever look like background noise, so it's easier to get a decent read on Squall if you discount it. Except that that's crap. Assuming a perfect overlap, if Squall SFFs Sora 90-10, that's still a 10% loss of votes. Your logic is totally backwards. Are you saying that if a character of equal strength to Zelda who didn't share a fanbase with Link had been subbed into her match with Link, Link would have done better? That's the way LFF works, but not SFF. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! "I just happen to think you are an idiot. Why must it be so personal?" - Sir Chris |
| consolefreak | Posted 10/28/2007 10:56:35 AM | message detail |
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Of course the previous matches matter in determining the results of
the next one. You need to look at the various factors in previous
matches to figure out how characters are going to do in the next round.
Or would you disagree that Sonic's performance last round, and the
supposed Brawl boost, was a big factor in the 35%+ predictions for
Sonic in this match? Because just taking Sonic's x-stat and Squall's
x-stat and running them through Morgoth's prediction formula would make
that kind of prediction for Sonic look like lunacy. I meant that the biggest difficulty in accurately predicting Squall's percentage today was not Aeris being out of the poll, but Sonic being in it. And no matter how close you were to predicting Squall, this is about the relation Sonic/Squall, and you can't deny Squall being frighteningly close to Sonic. Add Sora, and the "background noise" becomes pretty damn significant. Hardly discountable, I'm sure. Your logic is totally backwards. Are you saying that if a character of equal strength to Zelda who didn't share a fanbase with Link had been subbed into her match with Link, Link would have done better? That's the way LFF works, but not SFF. Again, this is about how Squall is performing relative to Sonic. Let's take the 4-pack Link-Vincent-Zelda-Bidoof. You then replace Zelda by a character of equal strength that is unrelated to any of the other characters (as is relevant in our current discussion). Does Link get a higher percentage? Very doubtful. But does the character that is of equal strength finish with just 8%? Because that's were your wrong -- it finishes way higher than that, and whatever percentage it is, it hurts Link just as much as Vincent and Bidoof. As a result, if you take a character of Zelda-esque strength and replace it in the 4-pack, Link finishes with a lower percentage, but so do all the others. And compared to having Zelda in the poll, Link will be beating Vincent and Bidoof worse. And that's what matters in the Snake-Squall-Sora example. --- 268/368. Today : Sonic > Squall Tomorrow : Cloud > Samus *One_Winged_Ange* |
| Sonic_Factor | Posted 10/28/2007 11:00:57 AM | message detail |
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squall is getting owned atm..damn sora slow down --- Hi. Hello. Howdy. |
| creativename | Posted 10/28/2007 11:06:19 AM | message detail |
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IIRC Snake beat Squall by a lot worse than he was projected to both times. Maybe I'm wrong on that count, though. Yes you misremember, the first time was 2K2 :) And last year it was fine, it looked only strange at the time because people didn't realize how much stronger Snake was. Afterwards, Squall's performance looked great, better than expected actually. I don't see how people can deny that there will be LFF in Snake/Squall after this. Are you kidding? The Snake/Squall SFF idea is a complete joke. I've gone over this. It's an idea where every shred of evidence utterly contradicts it, is based on rationalizations that only applied for very short bits of time and in retrospect imply the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what people originally expected. People originally thought Snake SFFed Squall. Then after it looked like Squall overperformed they adjusted to the complete opposite just so they wouldn't have to abandon the idea - that Squall SFFed Snake! That is literally comical :) --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Kyle Bowen | Posted 10/28/2007 11:07:00 AM | message detail |
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Squall actually won an update against Sonic here... but he is pissing
down his own leg while doing it. What would happen if Sora wasn't in
the poll. I am really asking that now. KB |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/28/2007 11:09:09 AM | message detail |
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Why is it so impossible that Snake did SFF Squall? --- 8/22/03. 10/24/07. Remember Crono. |
| creativename | Posted 10/28/2007 11:09:25 AM | message detail |
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Note that for our purposes, there could be Snake/Squall LFF in terms of any
two non-Nintendo characters having more LFF with each other than they
do with L-Block. Snake/Sonic should have more LFF with each other than
with L-Block - hell, even Squall/Sonic could have more LFF than they do
with L-Block. Also Squall might underperform next round due to him being the weakest character. Though I think he'll hold up OK, because he's the only Square character and how good Square has looked this year. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Kyle Bowen | Posted 10/28/2007 11:11:19 AM | message detail |
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He is the only square character in a match with two, if not three of
the other characters relying on a good bit of Nintendo strength. KB |
| consolefreak | Posted 10/28/2007 11:15:15 AM | message detail |
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Are you kidding? The Snake/Squall SFF idea is a complete joke. I've gone over this. It's an idea where every shred of evidence utterly contradicts it, is based on rationalizations that only applied for very short bits of time and in retrospect imply the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what people originally expected. People originally thought Snake SFFed Squall. Then after it looked like Squall overperformed they adjusted to the complete opposite just so they wouldn't have to abandon the idea - that Squall SFFed Snake! That is literally comical :) Every shred of evidence contradicts it? From where I'm standing, there's only 1 item that confirms it. Namely, last year's Squall-Snake, which seemed totally normal. What you disregard in that, however, is that the amount of SFF is in no way apparent from percentage disparities. Indeed, Squall - Snake, where Squall got the percentage on Snake that he was expected to get indirectly, and based on Xs, is in no way an indication of a lack of SFF. Who ever said the SFF favoured Snake by a wide margin? On the other hand, there are numerous FF-MGS matches over various contests that seem to indicate a certain significant overlap. What baffles me most, though, is referring to this concept as 'a complete joke' and 'literally comical'. How? Squall actually won an update against Sonic here... but he is pissing down his own leg while doing it. What would happen if Sora wasn't in the poll. I am really asking that now. Squall would be winning. --- 268/368. Today : Sonic > Squall Tomorrow : Cloud > Samus *One_Winged_Ange* |
| creativename | Posted 10/28/2007 11:18:01 AM | message detail |
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Why is it so impossible that Snake did SFF Squall? Do you understand that the only reason people believed this was because they thought Squall undeperformed against Snake last year? When he did not. In fact, the Squall/Snake SFF idea that people are now holding to is that Squall overperformed due to Final Fantasy SFFing Metal Gear. But of course that's a completely frivolous notion, as Squall's performance last year lines up with pretty much everything, including today's match even (and of course, very little lines up in this format). That's no more "impossible" than most things, but the logic is just beyond horrible. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| consolefreak | Posted 10/28/2007 11:19:43 AM | message detail |
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Also Squall might underperform next round due to him being the
weakest character. Though I think he'll hold up OK, because he's the
only Square character and how good Square has looked this year. I trust that when you say weakest, you disregard L-block there? --- 268/368. Today : Sonic > Squall Tomorrow : Cloud > Samus *One_Winged_Ange* |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/28/2007 11:20:32 AM | message detail |
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Squall is periodically cutting down on Sonic's lead in the middle of
the day. I don't now how anyone can say this is anything but great for
Squall and bad for Sonic. --- CB6 - 242/368; Oracle - 30th http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff192/Afroking97/sonicwii.jpg |
| creativename | Posted 10/28/2007 11:21:12 AM | message detail |
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Every shred of evidence contradicts it? From where I'm standing,
there's only 1 item that confirms it. Namely, last year's Squall-Snake,
which seemed totally normal. I have no idea what you're trying to say here? What you disregard in that, however, is that the amount of SFF is in no way apparent from percentage disparities. Indeed, Squall - Snake, where Squall got the percentage on Snake that he was expected to get indirectly, and based on Xs, is in no way an indication of a lack of SFF. Who ever said the SFF favoured Snake by a wide margin? What in the...so there was SFF that didn't expect the percentages? I mean...wow. That's just impossible to argue against. I'm very surprised that you're trying to say this. (unless I'm totally misunderstanding you) What baffles me most, though, is referring to this concept as 'a complete joke' and 'literally comical'. How? Because as I said - people went from Snake benefiting from it, then to Squall benefiting, just so they wouldn't have to give up the idea :) That cannot be anything but comical. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| ZFS | Posted 10/28/2007 11:22:39 AM | message detail |
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Squall's holding up a bit better than I thought he would. He's still
making cuts every now and then, and he should easily end within a few
percentage points of the hedgehog. Good show from Squall. There's no
telling what happens next round. --- "With each passing day, the world finds new and exciting ways to kill a man." |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 10/28/2007 11:23:21 AM | message detail |
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Squall is periodically cutting down on Sonic's lead in the middle of
the day. I don't now how anyone can say this is anything but great for
Squall and bad for Sonic. Holy crap, I hadn't even noticed. Squall is winning updates against Sonic in the day. There's an actual chance he won't lose to a Tetris block, my god. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Kyle Bowen | Posted 10/28/2007 11:23:35 AM | message detail |
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Anyone for Sonic concerned he might be affected more by LBlock and Squall or Snake? KB |
| consolefreak | Posted 10/28/2007 11:23:51 AM | message detail |
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Do you understand that the only reason people believed this was
because they thought Squall undeperformed against Snake last year? When
he did not. In fact, the Squall/Snake SFF idea that people are now
holding to is that Squall overperformed due to Final Fantasy SFFing
Metal Gear. But of course that's a completely frivolous notion, as
Squall's performance last year lines up with pretty much everything,
including today's match even (and of course, very little lines up in
this format). That's no more "impossible" than most things, but the logic is just beyond horrible. The idea existed long before that, actually. Squall-Snake was a detriment to it, if anything. Again, there can be a significant amount of SFF, evenly distributed. Anyway, there's FFVII-MGS, Sephiroth - Liquid, and a bunch of MGS-KH as well. --- 268/368. Today : Sonic > Squall Tomorrow : Cloud > Samus *One_Winged_Ange* |
| creativename | Posted 10/28/2007 11:26:27 AM | message detail |
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so there was SFF that didn't expect the percentages? *effect I trust that when you say weakest, you disregard L-block there? L-Block could finish anywhere. Last round he looked weaker than Squall (even before today's great performance by Squall), because Squall would probably have done better than that against Solid ****. However L-Block will very likely be stronger than ever next round, unless he gets a crappy pic (which is unlikely due to user made pictures). But we know Squall is weaker than Snake, and he should be weaker than Sonic (though that's debatable - I have already noted Sonic could finish 4th there), while L-Block is "different" and the most likely to take advantage of any format-induced underperformance for Squall. There's no telling what happens next round. Very true. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 10/28/2007 11:29:41 AM | message detail |
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I think the only "breather" we're getting in the next four days is
Link's match. Everything else is up in the air. Even Mega Man has a
decent shot. Hell, I'm willing to give Ryu a shot right now. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/28/2007 11:31:40 AM | message detail |
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I think the only "breather" we're getting in the next four days is Link's match. Bu...but maybe Mario will upset Sephiroth and then we...yeah you're right that's gonna be boring. --- CB6 - 242/368; Oracle - 30th http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff192/Afroking97/sonicwii.jpg |
| creativename | Posted 10/28/2007 11:31:42 AM | message detail |
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The idea existed long before that, actually. Only for people desperate to argue against the impact of Kingdom Hearts. Their great hope was the Snake would overperform on Squall. Squall-Snake was a detriment to it, if anything. Yes...which is what we've been saying... Again, there can be a significant amount of SFF, evenly distributed. ...I don't even know what to say to this. Basically, you seem to be magically making up LFF, based on the existence of past SFF, despite there never actually being an past SFF. Anyway, there's FFVII-MGS, Sephiroth - Liquid, and a bunch of MGS-KH as well. I'm not talking about FF/MG SFF, which has some circumstantial stuff going for it but is up in the air (the Metal Gear/KH SFF is very likely wrong though, that was only one match and due to the picture). I'm talking about Snake/Squall. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| consolefreak | Posted 10/28/2007 11:31:48 AM | message detail |
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I have no idea what you're trying to say here? I meant that last year's Squall-Snake is one of the few matches that indeed suggest a complete lack of MGS-FF SFF. What in the...so there was SFF that didn't expect the percentages? I mean...wow. That's just impossible to argue against. I'm very surprised that you're trying to say this. (unless I'm totally misunderstanding you) I'm actually not sure what you mean by that :p but I'll just rephrase what I was talking about -- it's not because Squall - Snake went as expected, that there was no SFF. Much less should the fact that the match went as expected be considered as an indication that there was in fact, no SFF. SFF doesn't necessarily imply favour over one of the characters. There can be huge SFF but it being split so evenly that you don't see it. Because as I said - people went from Snake benefiting from it, then to Squall benefiting, just so they wouldn't have to give up the idea :) That cannot be anything but comical. I think you're being a bit hasty with the term 'people' then, because I, at least, was a big proponent of MGS-FF SFF way before that, and that match did nothing to change my mind. --- 268/368. Today : Sonic > Squall Tomorrow : Cloud > Samus *One_Winged_Ange* |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 10/28/2007 11:34:19 AM | message detail |
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In all honesty, Mr. Tissue, I wouldn't be surprised if Vincent
challenges (dare I say, defeats?) Mario. This is just how Link rolls.
It is a fact of life. Beautiful life. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Kyle Bowen | Posted 10/28/2007 11:34:23 AM | message detail |
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Squall just went down in % and cut 17 votes on Sonic. GO GO KB |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/28/2007 11:35:51 AM | message detail |
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If you want an example of there being huge fanbase overlap (SFF)
without the result significantly favoring one character, just look at
Cloud/Sephiroth. --- 8/22/03. 10/24/07. Remember Crono. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/28/2007 11:36:00 AM | message detail |
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Oh, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Mario take last in that match. In fact, I'd bet on it. Just as far as who advances and in what order goes, it's already set in stone. --- CB6 - 242/368; Oracle - 30th http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff192/Afroking97/sonicwii.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 10/28/2007 11:36:28 AM | message detail |
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I think Sephiroth would SFF Vincent more than Link SFF Mario. --- The Board 8 BOP - http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB6%20BOP.xls Match 56: Sonic > Squall Points: 237/368 |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 10/28/2007 11:38:36 AM | message detail |
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I dunno; we saw Mario perform terribly in the Battle Royal last year.
He was so bad, in fact, that his percentage actually decreased on the
second day, after Samus was removed. Link took 100% of that SFF. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/28/2007 11:39:15 AM | message detail |
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From charmander6000 | Posted 10/28/2007 11:36:28 AM I think Sephiroth would SFF Vincent more than Link SFF Mario. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1002 Eh, not so sure about that. --- CB6 - 242/368; Oracle - 30th http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff192/Afroking97/sonicwii.jpg |
| Heroic Yuna | Posted 10/28/2007 11:40:06 AM | message detail |
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From charmander6000 Posted 10/28/2007 2:36:28 PM #241 I think Sephiroth would SFF Vincent more than Link SFF Mario. They share more of a fanbase, but people like them for different reasons, whereas Link and Mario are liked for the same reason. Link + Mario will get a lot more votes than Sephy + Vincent, but Vincent should finish ahead of Mario regardless. ~~~ Ashe. The Cream of Final Fantasy Fanboyism. http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/9855-550x-contra-poster-2-dsf.jpg |
| Sonic_Factor | Posted 10/28/2007 11:40:11 AM | message detail |
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You realize that's what mario was estimated to get around right? --- Hi. Hello. Howdy. |
| consolefreak | Posted 10/28/2007 11:48:15 AM | message detail |
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L-Block could finish anywhere. Last round he looked weaker than
Squall (even before today's great performance by Squall), because
Squall would probably have done better than that against Solid ****.
However L-Block will very likely be stronger than ever next round,
unless he gets a crappy pic (which is unlikely due to user made
pictures). But we know Squall is weaker than Snake, and he should be weaker than Sonic (though that's debatable - I have already noted Sonic could finish 4th there), while L-Block is "different" and the most likely to take advantage of any format-induced underperformance for Squall. Next round, I agree it can go either way, and L-block may very well beat Squall. Let there be no doubt though, that when comparing their current-round performances, Squall is easily the more impressive character. One could say that the difference between Squall's and L-block's percentages is largely compensated by the difference in strength of Snake-Sonic. The big difference, however, is that Snake was being hurt by both Riku and Kratos, and today it is actually Squall being hurt, by Sora. Only for people desperate to argue against the impact of Kingdom Hearts. Their great hope was the Snake would overperform on Squall. That is just wrong, sorry. I was always a big fan of MGS-KH SFF, KH-FF SFF and FF-MGS SFF. And I still am. And I never argued against a KH boost, on the contrary. There's a lot of evidence to support those theories. And not to believe them is absolutely fine, but to call them a joke, completely illogical or to insist that they sprouted strictly by the reasons you stated, is not. Yes...which is what we've been saying... Yes, but you're also saying that that match is what caused it, which is wrong. It ended it, more than anything. ...I don't even know what to say to this. Basically, you seem to be magically making up LFF, based on the existence of past SFF, despite there never actually being an past SFF. But there has been past SFF. I hate to keep repeating these, but are FFVII-MGS, Sephiroth - Liquid, MGS-KH (series), Aeris-Sora, Snake-Sora not reason enough to believe that there is SFF between FF/KH and MGS? I'm not talking about FF/MG SFF, which has some circumstantial stuff going for it but is up in the air (the Metal Gear/KH SFF is very likely wrong though, that was only one match and due to the picture). I'm talking about Snake/Squall. Ah, I think this may be the grand conclusion of a major misunderstanding. So, you acknowledge the possiblity of MGS-FF SFF? Because I think our definitions of SFF are slightly different. Anyway, Snake - Squall was a perfectly normal result -- we agree on this. Now let's take Snake - Sonic. Snake beats Sonic. Then let's take Sonic-Squall. Assume, for a second, last year strengths. Let's then take Squall - Sonic. Sonic beats Squall. Add the 3 together in a single poll, and do you take it to be Snake > Sonic > Squall? Because what may have appeared to be an entirely insignificant overlap between Snake and Squall, definitely hinders them in this example, no? Do you not consider Sonic > Snake > Squall to be a more feasible result? Despite Snake being stronger than Sonic? Because that's what I meant with Snake - Squall SFF. --- 268/368. Today : Sonic > Squall Tomorrow : Cloud > Samus *One_Winged_Ange* |
| Kyle Bowen | Posted 10/28/2007 11:50:51 AM | message detail |
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Squall with another 17 vote % decrease cut. KB |
| Sonic_Factor | Posted 10/28/2007 11:52:08 AM | message detail |
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and he'll lose it again just like the last one.. --- Hi. Hello. Howdy. |
| Kyle Bowen | Posted 10/28/2007 11:52:57 AM | message detail |
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and he'll lose it again just like the last one.. yea, but thats hardly the point. KB |
| consolefreak | Posted 10/28/2007 11:53:59 AM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1002 Eh, not so sure about that. Mario held up pretty good there, actually. I'd rather consider Mario > Sephiroth that Vincent > Mario. That's just not happening. --- 268/368. Today : Sonic > Squall Tomorrow : Cloud > Samus *One_Winged_Ange* |
