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Haste_2 | Posted 10/27/2007 7:15:13 AM | message detail
creativename, I'm on your side when it comes to L-Block's pic factor! >_>

Repost.... back on October 2nd.

Haste_2 | Posted 10/2/2007 2:23:09 PM | message detail
I've done a little analyzing on the bracket again... here are some conceivable upsets in my eyes that weren't really considered before the contest.

Round 2: Ganondorf > Mudkip > Luigi > Vergil... the odds of this happening is so low it's not funny, but I'm sure someone would've mentioned this if I didn't...

Round 2: Kratos > L-Block > Kirby > DK... this has been talked about already.

Round 3: Dante > Pikachu > Leon Kennedy > Ada Wong... yeah....laugh... laugh...

Round 3: Solid Snake > L-Block > Kratos > Ryu Hayabusa... yep. L-Block just needs his flat/Game Boy picture and he's set! Plus, Snake/Kratos/Hayabusa all wrapped in one = LFF among all three, maybe.

Round 3: Sonic the Hedgehog > Sub-Zero > Squall Leonhart > Aeris... we've yet to see him in action, but if Scorpion's any indication, Sub-Zero will do really well in this format. Squall and Aeris kill each other with LFF. One guru picked Sub-Zero in second in the third round.

Round 4: Master Chief > Dante > Ganondorf > Pikachu... this is assuming Pikachu pulls the upset over Leon Kennedy next round. How many had MC getting first, yet not Ganondorf in second, but rather Dante? Well, only four Gurus.

Again, these are only upsets that might as well be considered (even the slightest bit) now, contrary to opinions before the contest. If you think of another possible crazy upset, just say it!


Huh... the L-Block assumption was basically correct. MC > Dante has a great shot at happening. I thought Dante > Pikachu was crazy... but instead the crazier happened. The Sonic > Subby in Round 3 is all but shot, I think, though, as I don't see much Sora/Squall LFF. The upset involving Ganon/Luigi/Mudkip was LUIGI'S doing, not Mudkip's.

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BDawg | Posted 10/27/2007 7:16:25 AM | message detail
I guess I'll have faith that Sonic and Snake have separate enough fanbases (zomg Smash) to crush L-block into dust. In my opinion the block is only funny until he runs into your favorite characters, so you throw enough strong, diverse fanbases in there and someone isn't gonna like it so much. I guess basically I'm saying I don't subscribe to the belief you can chalk L-block up for 25% in any match it'd ever have. But it sure wouldn't be the first time it's surprised me.

Oh and it's hilarious now to see the two lowest characters ripping into the two strongest, percentage wise anyway. L-block even cut Snake once with his horrible day vote.
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jonthomson | Posted 10/27/2007 7:35:54 AM | message detail
L-Block poised to take it all
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/27/2007 9:02:11 AM | message detail
Looks like I missed some craziness last night... and I still don't understand all of this l-block picture crap... I mean really why is a large purple blob better than anything else he's received so far?

Anyway, I can legitimately, seriously see L-Block placing in the finals of the contest, let alone next round. I don't actually think it's going to happen, but I genuinely wouldn't be surprised, the stronger his competition gets, the better he keeps on looking, and obviously depending on how large his hardcore fanbase is, anything can happen.

Anyway, I'm totally expecting Sonic > Snake to happen next round, only it'll end up in my elimination anyway because it'll be L > Sonic > Snake, and those damn Snake > Sonic pickers will once again get more points than me despite having a worse pick. Alright, well I'm not really expecting that to happen, but it probably will just to anger me.

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/27/2007 9:39:42 AM | message detail
If L-Block gets a picture like he did in the first round (or, really, its 3D pictures just look worse), that's going to **** him against everyone -- he'll be facing a much more recognizable Snake who is currently beating him, one of the most recognizable characters ever in Sonic, and either Squall who is big in three Square games and two Square series or the biggest face of the Mortal Kombat series in Sub-Zero. I'd take Sub-Zero over probably anybody L-Block has advanced past except maybe Kirby or Kratos, and he won't get LFF'd. Squall's obviously stronger if he gets there, Solid will be stronger next round, and Sonic will hurt L-Block the most by being the most well-known -- no cult characters or small names in that bunch, and all are strong.

L-Block's not advancing another round...but he may get third!
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/27/2007 10:06:20 AM | message detail
anyone that thinks Kratos is coming back from this is on drugs, by the way. I'd probably bet my account on that not happening.

want to make a wager tranny

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creativename | Posted 10/27/2007 10:26:22 AM | message detail
Added a new graphing feature. You can now see updates of a certain length by adding "&seconds=N" to the URL.

e.g., to see the first 6 hours of 15 minute updates of this match, set it to 900 seconds and max to 24:
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=2917&type=2&max=24&seconds=900
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/27/2007 10:32:57 AM | message detail
If Snake had gotten his Brawl picture, do you guys think Riku would be any closer to Kratos?
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/27/2007 10:33:38 AM | message detail
creative, you've been laying the smack down the last few days. Thanks for all the work.
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paraboxx | Posted 10/27/2007 10:52:51 AM | message detail
Checking in. Disappointed to see L-Block down a few thou, but not too surprised...and not worried, either. Snake's ASV with this pic is legendary. L-Block will make up the difference and then some, I am certain.

(Yes, I know it's the weekend. Quiet, you. L-Block has this BELIEVE)

Team Rocket Elite:
Not a single person on the Top 50 scored full points today.


There are six new people on the list, right? Couldn't they have scored full points? Or is there a way to tell that they didn't?
Keno316 | Posted 10/27/2007 10:54:32 AM | message detail
Yeah! That Snake After Saturday School Vote is pretty massive. Not even Link can contend with it...
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/27/2007 10:59:50 AM | message detail
L-Block is holding up better than Solid Snake. This guy has a shot at advancing two more times.
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 10/27/2007 11:27:04 AM | message detail
From paraboxx Posted 10/27/2007 1:52:51 PM #310
Checking in. Disappointed to see L-Block down a few thou, but not too surprised...and not worried, either. Snake's ASV with this pic is legendary. L-Block will make up the difference and then some, I am certain.

(Yes, I know it's the weekend. Quiet, you. L-Block has this BELIEVE)

Team Rocket Elite:
Not a single person on the Top 50 scored full points today.


There are six new people on the list, right? Couldn't they have scored full points? Or is there a way to tell that they didn't?


He is referring to the people who were on the top 50, not those who are now.
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Tarrot | Posted 10/27/2007 11:30:19 AM | message detail
I think the problem is that L is facing too close of competition. From what I remember, Snake and Sonic were effectively equal in strength, pre-Brawl fear. I would imagine they're going to be within 2-3% of each other either way.

Lets take L's power as mostly independent of other fanbases, and treat him as the ultimate Joke Character. Figure the next round he gets 25% of the vote, which considering he's facing two of the Noble 9 + a third from 3 guys who are in the top 20 in strength by themselves, there's 75% of the vote to be split.

Assume that Snake/Sonic is like a 31/29 or 32/28 split, leaving 15% for the 4th. That seems reasonable. Personally though, I think any of the three in this contest could get 40% on Snake or Sonic (Sub Zero heads up, no, but with his independent fanbase possibly).

So leaving L constant at 25%, we have a roughly 29-27-21 split, giving the 4th about 40% on the mean of Snake and Sonic. Shows considerable strength from L-Block to be on that level.

The scary thing is assuming that L gets a definitive 28-30% per match. If he does that, L has a very legitimate chance of winning next round. I honestly think, assuming that FFMGSFF exists for whatever reason, Sora or Sub Zero would be the best shot's L would have of splitting the vote low enough to where his diehard joke vote would advance. Unless it turns to to be an RSFF scenario where Squall bleeds % from Snake, in which L could once again defeat the guy he got second to in the last round.

Overall, I think L's going to have to get lucky, or have perhaps the most diehard fanbase in the world to advance.
consolefreak | Posted 10/27/2007 11:30:25 AM | message detail
Checking in. Disappointed to see L-Block down a few thou, but not too surprised...and not worried, either. Snake's ASV with this pic is legendary. L-Block will make up the difference and then some, I am certain.

You're kidding, right?

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swirIdude | Posted 10/27/2007 11:43:56 AM | message detail
Pfft, L-Block can comeback from a 3,231 vote deficit easily.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/27/2007 11:52:41 AM | message detail
Just wait 'till the Russians wake up.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/27/2007 1:24:51 PM | message detail
Just wait until the Russians recover from their hang-overs.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/27/2007 1:25:37 PM | message detail
Crap the match will be over by then
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/27/2007 1:32:04 PM | message detail
darn you russia
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Lopen | Posted 10/27/2007 2:00:25 PM | message detail
How many had MC getting first, yet not Ganondorf in second, but rather Dante? Well, only four Gurus.

Holy crap, I had no idea it was such an out there upset. Guess my round 4 is looking pretty fierce right about now.

All this talk about L-Block legitimately placing against Link and Cloud... you know, this was my same logic for having MC beat Cloud in the finals. And who's to say it doesn't apply to Master Chief? A more static fanbase would dictate that he'd do a lot better in this format. While he hasn't maintained a constant percentage like L-Block has, he actually hasn't gone as low as L-Block yet, either.

Master Chief's fanbase could be like L-Block's but with a higher upper/lower bound. We've seen evidence to support it.

Personally though I think L-Block's lower bound is low enough to lose. I'd be pretty surprised if he got by Snake and Sonic next round.
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transience | Posted 10/27/2007 2:07:41 PM | message detail
don't compare MC to L-Block. he dropped 10% with two Nintendo guys in the poll.

L-Block goes up 1% or so with Solid Snake in the poll.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 10/27/2007 2:08:16 PM | message detail
This has probably been asked before, but... in a one-on-one setting, where would you peg L-Block to be at on Base Link?

Alternatively, which of these characters would you take L over in a one-on-one matchup?

Tidus
Pikachu
Mudkip
Ryu H.
Kratos
Alucard
Magus
Riku
Aeris
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Lopen | Posted 10/27/2007 2:17:58 PM | message detail
don't compare MC to L-Block. he dropped 10% with two Nintendo guys in the poll.

L-Block goes up 1% or so with Solid Snake in the poll.


Yeah, but it's possible the 7% MC lost were expendable voters when considering his voter floor. Say L-Block started against weaker opponents and he won with 45%, does that mean he's any less resilient among his last 30%?

And I'd take all of those against L-Block 1v1. Consistently managing 30% in a poll isn't going to help you nearly as much 1v1. Definitely a huge step above fodder, though... some of these like Tidus probably barely scrape by him.
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Lopen | Posted 10/27/2007 2:21:12 PM | message detail
And this is in no way backpedaling. If you'll recall I had MC getting a mere 39% against Vercetti, Yuna, and Parappa in the first round despite my bracket. He just filled me with a bit too much believe in the first round and I reevaluated my position on how strong the opponents would need to be for him to rapidly approach his lower bound.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/27/2007 2:36:53 PM | message detail
Given a solid picture, L-Block smokes Tidus. He (unfairly) beat Kirby badly who has beaten Tidus before...and you gotta give Kirby 60% of DK's votes if you want it to look like L-Block's expected to match Tidus in 2k5. L-Block is smashing both Kratos and Riku right now (also unfairly?), both of which are characters I'd take over Tidus. L-Block also beat Laharl about as bad as I'd think Tidus would when L-Block had his worst picture...

...and all of that are simply indirect comparisons. Head-to-head, FFX has a lot less exposure than Tetris, L-Block can be enjoyed even by those who don't like Tetris so much, and Tidus may have anti-votes. In Tidus's defense, we've never seen L-Block in a one-on-one match...but I like the four-pixel boot in that match, a lot.
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ZFS | Posted 10/27/2007 2:37:57 PM | message detail
I'd take Tidus over L-Block one-on-one with complete confidence.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/27/2007 2:40:17 PM | message detail
Tidus more like Flopus
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/27/2007 2:44:48 PM | message detail
I would take these over the L-Block in a 1vs1

Tidus: (not that confident tough)
Pikachu
Ryu H.
Kratos
Alucard
Magus (Fanboy pick)
Aeris
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/27/2007 2:47:10 PM | message detail
L-Block
Tidus
Shadow
Akuma

How's your prediction look?
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Lopen | Posted 10/27/2007 2:58:16 PM | message detail
L-Block - 29%
Tidus - 26%
Akuma - 25.5%
Shadow - 19.5%
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hochiminh155 | Posted 10/27/2007 4:14:15 PM | message detail
Chances Sub-Zero snakes by Squall and Sora tomorrow? Sora held up pretty well against Squall last round. If they divide enough, Subby could pull through
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 10/27/2007 4:14:58 PM | message detail
He probably will. And I was called an idiot when I asked if it was possible pre-contest. =/
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hochiminh155 | Posted 10/27/2007 4:16:16 PM | message detail
I'm just looking and plugging in my formula and Sub-Zero could pull through. I'm just throwing it out there now so people aren't surprised when/if it actually happens.
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Keno316 | Posted 10/27/2007 4:18:10 PM | message detail
Well, still one match left, but we have to start considering preliminary star and turd of the round.


Star I'd give it either to Vincent for his accomplishment (thought it was expected) Or L-Block again for managing to lead Snake for half the night and still take second comfortably.


Turd...sadly, probably Crono. Expected or not, he did blow it.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/27/2007 4:19:41 PM | message detail
I already decided on my star and turd.

L-Block and Leon, pretty easily for me
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/27/2007 4:20:31 PM | message detail
Well maybe replace L-Block with Pikachu. It's close. L-Block was more impressive but Pikachu's match was a bigget WTF moment for me
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hochiminh155 | Posted 10/27/2007 4:20:40 PM | message detail
Is there an L-Block curse? L-Block always beats whoever beat him in the previous round.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/27/2007 4:21:54 PM | message detail
Sonic > L-Block confirmed
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Seginustemple | Posted 10/27/2007 4:23:36 PM | message detail
Sub-Zero, being one of the very few people that I root for in these contests, had damn well better pull through. Or at least make an impressive showing, I like it when MK characters do well.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/27/2007 4:31:39 PM | message detail
I love me some block, but the fact that Snake isn't mopping the floor with Kratos right now proves his picture is noticeably hurting him. Give Snake his Brawl picture, and there's no way Kratos holds up this well.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 10/27/2007 4:33:22 PM | message detail
I don't know who's the bigger star this round (or indeed this entire contest), Pikachu or L-Block. Both whipped opponents who had whipped them in the last round. L-Block maintained his percentage with the introduction of Solid Snake while Pikachu went up ten percent with Dante and Ammy taking the places of Vivi and Tidus. Neither had any bracket support on the board for making it this far (some had both going out in the first round), and L-Block is going to shatter Cloud's prediction percentage record.

I'd probably give the nod to Pikachu because nobody took him for first even after the first two rounds and few considered him for second, while L-Block was a very shaky favourite over Kratos.

...It's kinda funny. A Noble Nine member was finally defeated after six contests and Vincent isn't even in the running for star of the round.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 10/27/2007 4:41:38 PM | message detail
Whatever happens, do we all agree that L-block NEEDS to come back in a 'normal' contest, just to see how he does?
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 10/27/2007 4:59:00 PM | message detail
I know I'm nominating him
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/27/2007 5:00:29 PM | message detail
I'll nominate him. Of course, there's also the very real possibility that Mudkip and Bidoof (not to mention Pikachu) all make it back, and that would ****ing suck mother ****ing ass in a field of 64.
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Lopen | Posted 10/27/2007 5:05:15 PM | message detail
Bah. I sure as hell won't be nominating no damn block. I really don't care what his legitimate strength is. I'd rather not know. Carrier, now that's a joke entrant with style.
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Mister Mario | Posted 10/27/2007 5:06:50 PM | message detail
Pikachu was amazing. After years of being incredibly hated fodder, he just shows up and kicks ass.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/27/2007 5:07:36 PM | message detail
And becomes an incredibly hated bracket buster. Movin' on up in the world!
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paraboxx | Posted 10/27/2007 5:38:09 PM | message detail
Okay, so the ASV thing didn't pan out. But no matter.

I am defending this upset to the end, dammit. Somehow, some way, L-Block will come through.

Perhaps a freak server accident will remove Snake's poll option, for example, and Bacon won't catch it in time to reverse the result.

...it could happen!!

Keno316:
Well, still one match left, but we have to start considering preliminary star and turd of the round.


Crono's collapse was pretty epic (and horribly frustrating), and Leon's greatest accomplishment was limiting Dante to second. But I think Zero may be the biggest Turd this time. There was legitimate upset talk for him for a while, and he wound up with 12%. Even with Link holding him back, that's pretty pathetic. (Sorry, BT.)

As for Star, well. There shouldn't even be a question. (Especially when Snake falls back to second tonight. You'll see!! YOU'LL ALL SEE)

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Agent M | Posted 10/27/2007 5:45:21 PM | message detail
Dunno, the weakest character in the 4 way polls have seemed to collapse worse than normal.

I was expecting Zero to bomb actually.
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