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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/26/2007 10:37:39 PM | message detail
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L-Block with 50% IMO IMO
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 10/26/2007 10:37:53 PM | message detail
We need them to make EXTREME L-Block, like they did with Bomberman.
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/26/2007 10:38:01 PM | message detail
If L-Block got that picture I would take him over anyone.

ANYONE

(that will be in my match-pic believe)
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/26/2007 10:38:26 PM | message detail
Snake edged around in his box, anticipating where his foe would land and preparing to strike it immediately after it landed. "Can't be too hard to surprise a block," he figured.

Snake edged close to a wall where his prety was falling toward. He nudged his box under a small outcropping about half the length of his box and found it to be a perfect fit. He placed a land mine next to him and waited for his nemesis to fall, which didn't take long.

Suddenly, the L twisted in midair, rotating itself 180 degrees around its origin. Its descent gained momentum, and Snake barely had enough time to react when it landed.

There was a blinding flash and the Block was gone.

Oddly enough, so was the wall Snake was next to, and so was Snake's box.

Unbeknownst to Snake, with those three lines, God had just gotten to Level 10 on Tetris.

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smitelf | Posted 10/26/2007 10:38:30 PM | message detail
Do people really think L-block's pic matters?! He's a goddamn L-shaped block.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/26/2007 10:38:33 PM | message detail
L-Block is massively, massively more pic-sensitive than Snake could ever be.

*sigh*

That just doesn't make SENSE. There's no one out there that doesn't realize that's the L-Block from Tetris with this picture. Period. The difference in the version between two Tetris sprites shaped like an L and the difference between Snake's Brawl picture and an unrecognizable blob of pixels is self-evident. Denying it is even more ludicrous than your stubborn reluctance to admit L-Block is a joke character.
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paraboxx | Posted 10/26/2007 10:39:11 PM | message detail
We need them to make EXTREME L-Block, like they did with Bomberman.

Wasn't that Round 1's pic?
creativename | Posted 10/26/2007 10:39:49 PM | message detail
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Wow, great picture! Have no idea what the boost would be, but for sure it would be significant.


a different L-Block picture is not going to convince somebody to vote for it. it's a Tetris block.

But you just destroyed your own argument right there. That's exactly it. It's a freakin' BLOCK!

Like I posted in the last topic, L-Block has NO fanbase whatsoever. Zip. Zero. El-Zilcho!

That L-Block would be epically more pic-sensitive than an actual character is just common sense to me.
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transience | Posted 10/26/2007 10:40:52 PM | message detail
Like I posted in the last topic, L-Block has NO fanbase whatsoever. Zip. Zero. El-Zilcho!

which is why it's a joke character / entrant.

and why it performs like a joke entrant.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/26/2007 10:42:14 PM | message detail
I'm also very unsure about L-Block's picture truly affecting his performances. Who votes for L-Block based on the picture? Either people appreciate the joke or they don't.
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creativename | Posted 10/26/2007 10:43:16 PM | message detail
why? it's gotten the same percentage, more or less, from three different matches. are you telling me the pictures are getting better?

Oh, and very obviously, I'm going to say yes. The format is probably playing a role, as is some loyalty factor. But we've gone over this plenty of times before. L-Block's 1st round picture was beyond awful, and everyone assumed it would hurt it a lot until it did so "well". Obviously, in retrospect, the performance wasn't really that great.

L's 2nd round was largely due to LFF; today is the first time it's getting a picture where most should easily be able to tell what it is at first glance.

I have no idea what sort of picture L gets next round, but it could well be much stronger than it is in today's match.
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transience | Posted 10/26/2007 10:43:27 PM | message detail
the only thing you need is for people to understand what "L-Block" is. in that regard, it's pic-sensitive, I agree there.

but to give it a GB Tetris picture as opposed to the Purple L? that's nothing.
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Yesmar | Posted 10/26/2007 10:43:44 PM | message detail
I'm gonna have to agree with creative here. While I don't think that L-Block is AS pic sensitive as he makes it out to be, I see where he's coming from.

People aren't just gonna joke vote for a random group of blocks, but if it's clear that it's an actual block from Tetris than the joke is much easier to get.
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smitelf | Posted 10/26/2007 10:43:46 PM | message detail
That L-Block would be epically more pic-sensitive than an actual character is just common sense to me.

It makes the complete opposite of sense to me, because L-block's pics are all the same except for color and a few black lines. It doesn't have a "good" or "bad" pic.
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paraboxx | Posted 10/26/2007 10:43:55 PM | message detail
That just doesn't make SENSE. There's no one out there that doesn't realize that's the L-Block from Tetris with this picture. Period.

You guys are overlooking the other half of the pic factor, which is nostalgia. The Solid **** sprite doesn't just hurt Snake because some people don't recognize him. It also hurts him because those that do recognize him are likely to think of the original Metal Gear when they look at that pic. And when you've got Metal Gear Solid and Smash Bros Brawl on your resume, Metal Gear is not the game you want people thinking about when they're considering whether or not to vote for you.

Same goes for L-Block. Yes, people see an "L" and they get the joke immediately. But how many more people are going to vote for the joke if they're fondly remembering NES Tetris at the same time?

This is what I was trying to express earlier, by the way. (And why, if L-Block doesn't pull off the upset, I'm blaming the pic.)
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/26/2007 10:43:58 PM | message detail
Yeah, the picture is pretty pointless here. 85% of my friends that I've mentioned this contest to knew exactly what I was talking about as soon as I said "L-Block". They would have voted for it picture or not.
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transience | Posted 10/26/2007 10:44:39 PM | message detail
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I dunno, that's pretty recognizable to me. maybe even better than this round? either way, it's a push for me.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/26/2007 10:45:21 PM | message detail
but if it's clear that it's an actual block from Tetris than the joke is much easier to get.

What one Earth could "L-Block" be other than a Tetris piece? It's not that hard to figure out on the name alone.
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Keno316 | Posted 10/26/2007 10:45:32 PM | message detail
Seriously...how hard is it for a video gamer to not recognize who/where L-Block is from?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/26/2007 10:46:17 PM | message detail
L-Block's picture affecting his performances to a degree is probably likely - there is a notable difference between the picture HM posted and the red thing L got stuck with in the first round, even for a joke entrant - but saying that it's greater than Solid ****, the most infamous and 'reliable' pic factor we have (and doing so with utter CONFIDENCE) comes off as wishful thinking. People don't vote for L-Block because of Tetris fanboyism. They vote for it because it's funny to vote for an L-shaped block in a contest match. L-Block would dismantle Tetris.
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smitelf | Posted 10/26/2007 10:46:22 PM | message detail
Put two pics of L-block side by side and most people wouldn't be able to say which was from which version of the game. This is obviously not the case with Snake.
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Tai | Posted 10/26/2007 10:46:30 PM | message detail
14 vote gain for Snake.
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ZFS | Posted 10/26/2007 10:46:35 PM | message detail
I personally don't believe the picture matters much for the L-Block. I can understand the idea of "nostalgia" being bigger when you see an actual Tetris piece, but I doubt that sways very many people who voted for Snake right now. It's hard to give the L-Block a good or bad picture because it's just an L -- you're just changing the look of it.

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stained glass | Posted 10/26/2007 10:48:33 PM | message detail
GFAQs users aren't particularly intelligent. Maybe more people will get the joke if they see a tetris block as opposed to a random 'L'.
Yesmar | Posted 10/26/2007 10:48:40 PM | message detail
Seriously...how hard is it for a video gamer to not recognize who/where L-Block is from?

We are talking about the same group of people who can't deduce that the Snake and Samus they are looking at could be the same ones they love and the same group of people who go "Oh! Back when I was just seeing artwork of an anthropomorphic frog, I wasn't sure who it was, but now that I see a *sprite* of the anthropomorphic frog, it's all coming together."
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transience | Posted 10/26/2007 10:48:45 PM | message detail
What one Earth could "L-Block" be other than a Tetris piece? It's not that hard to figure out on the name alone.

you'd think that, but..

What one (haw haw) Earth could "Solid Snake" be other than Solid Snake? It's not that hard to figure out on the name alone.
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creativename | Posted 10/26/2007 10:49:09 PM | message detail
Unbeknownst to Snake, with those three lines, God had just gotten to Level 10 on Tetris.

Hah! :)


Do people really think L-block's pic matters?! He's a goddamn L-shaped block.

I find it incomprehensible - utterly incomprehensible - that people can even debate this at this point. I mean, it couldn't possibly be staring people in the face any harder.


There's no one out there that doesn't realize that's the L-Block from Tetris with this picture.

There is not one reason to believe this, and a gazillion reasons to believe the exact opposite.

Seriously, "L-Block"? Are you joking? Just think of how many people on this board had to ask "What the **** is L-Block" when people started to nomination rally for it.

Denying it is even more ludicrous than your stubborn reluctance to admit L-Block is a joke character.

Some of that is tongue in cheek, though it depends on what you mean by joke. Again, people probably smile when voting for it, but it's strength is no joke.


which is why it's a joke character / entrant. and why it performs like a joke entrant.

If that's your definition of joke entrant, then fine :) I prefer "board favorite"...like "height challenged" vs. midget :)
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paraboxx | Posted 10/26/2007 10:49:52 PM | message detail
For the record, though, I have a hard time believing that L-Block's pic factor would be bigger than Snake's, simply because of how Big Boss crushed Magus last round (then fell apart in this one).
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/26/2007 10:49:55 PM | message detail
if you ever quote my typos again i will end you
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/26/2007 10:51:02 PM | message detail
There is not one reason to believe this

How about the reason that THE PICTURE IS THE L-SHAPED BLOCK FROM TETRIS
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transience | Posted 10/26/2007 10:51:31 PM | message detail
"joke character" doesn't have a negative stigma to it - at least not in my mind. it just means that it's not a "legitimate" character -- ie, it's a Tetris block.

I hope it wins the whole damn contest due to the format - it's got a chance. I'd give it the third most likely entrant to win this contest after Link and Cloud!

man, I'm glad L didn't make it in 2004. woulda totally ruined this amazing run.
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smitelf | Posted 10/26/2007 10:51:37 PM | message detail
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GFAQs users aren't particularly intelligent. Maybe more people will get the joke if they see a tetris block as opposed to a random 'L'.

I think it's more likely that they can't differentiate between a bold, purple L and a GB Tetris block.
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paraboxx | Posted 10/26/2007 10:54:38 PM | message detail
Oh, and you can't call L-Block a joke character at this point any more than you can call Phoenix Wright one.

L-Block's done much better than Phoenix, in fact, making him somewhat less of a joke.
paraboxx | Posted 10/26/2007 10:56:08 PM | message detail
L-Block's done much better than Phoenix, in fact, making him somewhat less of a joke.

it dammit it

stupid joke characters
creativename | Posted 10/26/2007 10:56:39 PM | message detail
Seriously...how hard is it for a video gamer to not recognize who/where L-Block is from?

Lots, in the context of deciding who to vote for in a few seconds once you come to the site. A huge percentage of the voters would take a second or two to realize what it was. Again, tons of people on this very board had to be explained what "L-Block" was. Are you REALLY giving the gamefaqs homepage visitor that much credit? I mean, that kind of thinking been debunked many times.


but saying that it's greater than Solid ****, the most infamous and 'reliable' pic factor we have (and doing so with utter CONFIDENCE) comes off as wishful thinking.

Wait - wishful thinking? Wishful for what?

Anyway, you're right about there being one thing Solid **** has that L doesn't - a control. We know with confidence that Solid **** matters; in L's case, there's other factors to consider, and no control. So it's not definitive. But I think this is a case of common sense overriding the need for absolute, unquestionable data.

They vote for it because it's funny to vote for an L-shaped block in a contest match.

Absolutely! :)

L-Block would dismantle Tetris.

Actually I'm not sure about this. I have no idea what would happen there really. And I think Tetris was probably heavily SFFed by LoZ anyway.

Enough picture discussion though...if I haven't convinced anyone yet, I doubt I can without an explicit experiment of some sort, which obviously isn't possible.
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transience | Posted 10/26/2007 10:56:41 PM | message detail
Phoenix Wright is a character with personality/depth/whatever. he may be funny, but he's not a joke. you can come up with exceptions all day trying to prove L as a "character" and I won't bother responding if you want to fight that fight (Link has no personality either!!!), but at the heart of it we all know it's just a damn Tetris block.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/26/2007 10:57:00 PM | message detail
Performances don't decide what makes a joke character a joke. It has nothing to do with strength. If anyone was thinking that the connotation for 'joke character' was a character that performs poorly in contests... why? The only person you can POSSIBLY attribute that to I think is Jay Solano, and that's because the whole 'joke' was to get a character that would get the lowest vote total in contest history (though how things turned out...)

...epic Jay v L-Block match go
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/26/2007 10:57:37 PM | message detail
Nah, just a more powerful joke.

I mean, come on - it's a freakin' Tetris block
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 10/26/2007 10:59:08 PM | message detail
I still don't understand how tetris block is eligible while RTS units are not.
Karma Hunter | Posted 10/26/2007 10:59:57 PM | message detail
Wait - wishful thinking? Wishful for what?

Wanting L-Block to be even MORE powerful.

I think this is a case of common sense

That a substantial amount of people don't seem to share in the slightest. Common sense may not be so common, but don't overstate your position.

Actually I'm not sure about this. I have no idea what would happen there really.

Best case scenario is in a direct match Tetris gets bailed out by its own picture (I-block/L-Block SFF...?). Indirectly, though... Tetris gets mauled.
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chaos knight | Posted 10/26/2007 11:00:26 PM | message detail
Is it just me or was L-Block the most annoying block to get normally in Tetris too?
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ZFS | Posted 10/26/2007 11:00:33 PM | message detail
Well, you have a new person running these contests now. I think CJayC wouldn't allow anything that wasn't a character into the contest, but SBAllen probably doesn't care.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/26/2007 11:00:36 PM | message detail
I still don't understand how tetris block is eligible while RTS units are not.

New administration. Nominate Carrier to your heart's content next year.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/26/2007 11:01:31 PM | message detail
Time .| Kratos ..| L-Block | Snake ...| Riku
01:00 | 17.62% | 36.23% | 31.30% | 14.86%
02:00 | 18.59% | 31.79% | 33.88% | 15.74%

As always an epic 2nd hour drop-off
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transience | Posted 10/26/2007 11:01:47 PM | message detail
anybody that thinks L is the worst block in Tetris either

1.) sucks at tetris;
2.) hasn't played bastet
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 10/26/2007 11:02:03 PM | message detail
Carrier vs. L or I-Block, who wins?
creativename | Posted 10/26/2007 11:02:19 PM | message detail
For the record, though, I have a hard time believing that L-Block's pic factor would be bigger than Snake's, simply because of how Big Boss crushed Magus last round (then fell apart in this one).

Well if you're talking about Big Boss, it's a lot more debatable than with Solid Snake, which I don't even think is overly debatable that L is more pic-sensitive.

Big Boss though I think would be more name sensitive than pic even :)


Oh, and you can't call L-Block a joke character at this point any more than you can call Phoenix Wright one.

I always thought Phoenix was a joke character, was surprised to see others thought he wasn't. I guess his games are actually popular here now, so I no longer consider him a joke, so I still get a jokish vibe from him.


Performances don't decide what makes a joke character a joke. It has nothing to do with strength.

What do you want from me, man? An "L-Block is a joke character!" statement? Fine, there it was :) Doesn't really matter much either way.
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paraboxx | Posted 10/26/2007 11:04:43 PM | message detail
Big Boss though I think would be more name sensitive than pic even :)

...actually, I might think twice before voting for Naked Snake.

Too many memories of Naked Raiden.
Keno316 | Posted 10/26/2007 11:04:46 PM | message detail
How long was it til Kratos overtook L-Block last round, anyway?
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/26/2007 11:04:54 PM | message detail
Phoenix IS a joke. Only Board 8 and a few others care about him.
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