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HaRRicH | Posted 10/25/2007 10:46:05 PM | message detail
I do begin to wonder if most Pokemon could be grouped together or not though. I mean...24.95% against Bowser/Toad with Ryu in the poll, 24.97% against Ganon/Luigi with Vergil in the poll, or 13.27% against Link/Zelda with Vincent in the poll?

Those don't seem that different to me, forgive me. Pikachu is currently doing as good as any of them so far, too. I'm just...I dunno, I wonder if Pokemon are all that different or if Mewtwo is even the top Pokemon (directly or indirectly). There's room for questioning.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/25/2007 10:46:22 PM | message detail
Uhh how could Pikachu be stronger than Mewtwo? In a direct match maybe, but I thought consensus placed Mewtwo way higher in the stats than Pikachu would be.

People don't actually think that Pikachu's stronger than Vivi now, do they?
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/25/2007 10:46:59 PM | message detail
From smitelf | Posted 10/25/2007 10:45:55 PM
Did anyone predict Pikachu > Dante? This seems to me like the most insane result of the contest so far.

Sabin had this in his Guru bracket. But only 3 Gurus had Pikachu getting out of this round, period.
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Diorelli | Posted 10/25/2007 10:48:14 PM | message detail
Leon :(

Gah, I really didn't buy that Dante/Leon overlap. Sneaky way for the contest to hit the sense into my head.
creativename | Posted 10/25/2007 10:50:09 PM | message detail
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n00b
It seems Dante never really started to take off until after a couple hours. He doesn't seem to have a very good opening vote. I wouldn't count him out completely here

I really hope this is more than wishful thinking.


Harrich
I don't think Pikachu's first match is a good case of LFF since Tidus and Serge are from different series and generations AND Pikachu had Isaac to contend with too.

Haste2's idea, which might have some merit, is that Pikachu was hurt both rounds. I too think Tidus was hurt by LFF more there, but what if everyone was hurt? And Pikachu/Tidus/Vivi were all hurt relative to Leon in round 2?

The distasteful thing there is that it makes Pikachu too close to Leon in a "legit" sense. That also doesn't sound right.

Pikachu and Mewtwo both need to come back next year...but it's a goddamn shame Mewtwo didn't get Pikachu's spot.

I think a lot of people would've taken Mewtwo to win here though. He would've been the underdog, but not a shocker. (also he probably would've won last round)


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To get back to the earlier point, I still take Fox over Pika in a 1v1 situation, and without any real hesitation. But Pika v Donkey Kong? Yikes! I'd probably flop back and forth a few times on that one.

Oh god, DK...so volatile. That's one moody monkey.
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smitelf | Posted 10/25/2007 10:50:46 PM | message detail
Gah, I really didn't buy that Dante/Leon overlap.

Yeah, I still don't see the rationale behind it (though obviously it is happening).
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/25/2007 10:51:29 PM | message detail
EC's face is going to explode when he sees this match tomorrow.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/25/2007 10:52:36 PM | message detail
They're very similar characters in terms of design and appeal, and I know it has already been debated, but DMC and RE4 really are also similar in terms of appeal.
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/25/2007 10:54:11 PM | message detail
Looks like Dante's starting to come back. 2 nice cuts in a row.
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creativename | Posted 10/25/2007 10:54:26 PM | message detail
I think Mewtwo and Pikachu are probably fairly close together now, in this format.

Did anyone predict Pikachu > Dante? This seems to me like the most insane result of the contest so far.

L-Block>Kirby was pretty nuts too.

I wonder which will have the lower general bracket percentage. Probably this one, because it's a later round...but then, the general bracketmakers might have a lot more faith in Pikachu than L-Block.

Board-wise, they're probably on the same level of "no ****ing way".
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2007 10:54:36 PM | message detail
The "Pikachu was hurt in his last rounds" theory is without merit. Without Tidus hurting him more than Pikachu, Vivi wins that match. And as we saw in Round 1, Vivi isn't on Leon's level.
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smitelf | Posted 10/25/2007 10:55:55 PM | message detail
From YoAriel33
They're very similar characters in terms of design and appeal, and I know it has already been debated, but DMC and RE4 really are also similar in terms of appeal.

Apparently so. Madness. Are there other documented cases of SFF between characters in different genres from different developers?
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/25/2007 10:55:59 PM | message detail
Argh

Pikachu has 1st all locked up now I suppose
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/25/2007 10:56:46 PM | message detail
And Pikachu takes back 43 votes in one fell swoop.
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smitelf | Posted 10/25/2007 10:56:49 PM | message detail
Wait, never mind, I thought of one: Mario/Pac-Man Icon SFF.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2007 10:57:22 PM | message detail
Apparently so. Madness. Are there other documented cases of SFF between characters in different genres from different developers?

They're both Capcom
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creativename | Posted 10/25/2007 10:57:45 PM | message detail
The "Pikachu was hurt in his last rounds" theory is without merit. Without Tidus hurting him more than Pikachu, Vivi wins that match. And as we saw in Round 1, Vivi isn't on Leon's level.

Yes, this is what I meant when I said putting Pikachu too close to Leon doesn't sound right.

Leon himself I could see not being as strong as people thought, it's how much he beat Vivi by in the 1st round that brings the Pikachu was hurt too notion into doubt.
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/25/2007 10:58:18 PM | message detail
Also MGS/FF SFF...if it exists

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creativename | Posted 10/25/2007 10:59:10 PM | message detail
They're both Capcom

Mega Man vs. Zero vs. Dante vs. Leon vs. Pikachu go
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/25/2007 10:59:28 PM | message detail
You know, one could make a case that DMC and RE4 really aren't all that different even in terms of genre. They're both white-knuckle action games with some survival horror elements (and even a pinch of RPG elements) thrown in. The controls and perspective are different, but they do have a lot in common.
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/25/2007 11:00:32 PM | message detail
Mega Man > Dante

Mega Man would SFF Pika.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2007 11:01:30 PM | message detail
Up until RE4, you couldn't really classify RE as an 'action' genre. 'Twas pure survival-horror, emphasis on the survival.

RE4 is when you were encouraged to just blow everything away... but unfortunately, that's where Leon gets the bulk of his strength...
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/25/2007 11:02:19 PM | message detail
I think someone needs to write some fanfic for this match.
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Diorelli | Posted 10/25/2007 11:02:25 PM | message detail
They're both Capcom.

They're also both designed by Shinji Mikami. Shinji's favoruite character in the RE series is Leon and based Dante off that. I knew this. I just find it hard to believe that they would appeal to the same audience. Well, until now that is.
Diorelli | Posted 10/25/2007 11:04:28 PM | message detail
*favorite (favourite if you're Brit like me.)
smitelf | Posted 10/25/2007 11:05:38 PM | message detail
They're both Capcom

Hey, you're right.
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satai_delenn | Posted 10/25/2007 11:05:43 PM | message detail
This match is making me almost glad that the FFP didn't get off the ground this year. >_>
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/25/2007 11:06:15 PM | message detail
Has anyone brought up the possibility of a Pikachu/Leon overlap? RE4 did sell mostly on Nintendo consoles in America.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/25/2007 11:07:12 PM | message detail
Uhh...no.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/25/2007 11:07:43 PM | message detail
RE4 is when you were encouraged to just blow everything away... but unfortunately, that's where Leon gets the bulk of his strength...

Definitely. RE4 strays from the series, and for that reason has been universally hailed as the series' "rebirth." It actually has more in common with Devil May Cry than the older RE games.

God you suck, Pikachu.
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creativename | Posted 10/25/2007 11:07:48 PM | message detail
Mega Man would SFF Pika.

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ZFS | Posted 10/25/2007 11:08:02 PM | message detail
Has anyone brought up the possibility of a Pikachu/Leon overlap?

No.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/25/2007 11:08:37 PM | message detail
Hey maybe Pikachu has overlap with Cloud I mean they're both yellow is could happen right.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/25/2007 11:09:08 PM | message detail
I vote based on color and pointiness of ears.
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ZFS | Posted 10/25/2007 11:10:09 PM | message detail
no self-respecting cloud voter entertains the idea of voting for pikachu


besides cloud's yellow is different from pikachu's yellow


it's true

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/25/2007 11:11:31 PM | message detail
Cloud also has bolt materia and Pikachu uses thunderbolt uber SFF confirmed.
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ZFS | Posted 10/25/2007 11:12:16 PM | message detail
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never using bolt materia again confirmed

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MasterOfHunters | Posted 10/25/2007 11:12:38 PM | message detail
They're both Capcom

I really don't think we have many pre-RE4 DMC/RE fans here. A huge chunk of DMC fanbase were RE fans who got shafted when Capcom moved the franchise to Nintendo. Not to mention the biggest reason DMC quickly got the spotlight was from the playable demo shipped with PS2 version of Code Veronica.
Big Bob | Posted 10/25/2007 11:35:46 PM | message detail
Actually, thanks to a nifty move called Hidden Power, Pikachu can use attacks of any element type!

*has driven HM off from RPGs forever*
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Paris | Posted 10/25/2007 11:47:12 PM | message detail
Am I the only one who isn't surprised by Leon sucking? I don't have him surviving this match, and I certainly wasn't thinking of overlapping fanbases when I made my bracket.

As much as I love his games, he's nothing but a midcarder.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/26/2007 12:00:34 AM | message detail
Yeah I know it's not like he dominated Pikachu last round or anything
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__Mega64__ | Posted 10/26/2007 12:45:40 AM | message detail
So I wake up, and this is what I see?

...BEST CONTEST EVER!
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hochiminh155 | Posted 10/26/2007 12:52:32 AM | message detail
This match still makes no sense. Pikachu barely beat Vivi last round with Tidus there and Leon slaughtered him last round. Now you mean to tell me that Dante and Leon have a significantly higher overlap than Vivi/Tidus?
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greatone10 | Posted 10/26/2007 1:14:03 AM | message detail
Good god. What the hell is going on here? When the hell did GameFAQs like Pokemon so much (at least, all the ones that should have a negative vote total because they suck so much)? I long for the days when Xenogears was more popular than G/S/C.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/26/2007 1:15:30 AM | message detail
Somehow, the more I think about it, this result becomes more and more Sony and Square's fault.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE
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Ultimaphazon | Posted 10/26/2007 1:17:29 AM | message detail
I really hate the scoring system for this contest
*has Dante>Leon*
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octoinky | Posted 10/26/2007 1:23:09 AM | message detail
Yup, just discussing it with Ngamer... Basically no good bracket has Pikachu here... So all the "wrong" Leon > Dante gain 4 points on the better Dante > Leon!
greatone10 | Posted 10/26/2007 1:26:22 AM | message detail
Ugh, after 4 days of a perfect* Div.Finals, I get a double red and red/yellow. God damnit.

*Well, some Karate Kid wannabe took the King of All Koopas's spot, but I knew that coming before we started.
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__Mega64__ | Posted 10/26/2007 1:27:58 AM | message detail
Pikachu > Cloud
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__Mega64__ | Posted 10/26/2007 1:28:39 AM | message detail
And, uh, Mudkip > Snake
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