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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 526
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/20/2007 11:53:51 AM | message detail |
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FF13 will make PS3-hate go down a lot...but until it gets more
ownership and respect, not to mention OTHER games for people to care
about, any character from FF13 will bomb. The only way to avoid that
fate is to have it ported on the 360 or Wii, and I don't know how
likely that is. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Lady Ashe | Posted 10/20/2007 11:54:40 AM | message detail |
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Touché. ~~~ Ashe. The Cream of Final Fantasy Fanboyism. http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/9855-550x-contra-poster-2-dsf.jpg |
| Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 10/20/2007 11:56:59 AM | message detail |
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question:When FFXIII comes out as well as versus XIII will lightning
and that other guy have a higher chance of being arounf auron/squall
level or will the current PS3 hate make them vaan level contestants? I'd expect PS3 hate/indifference to go down a lot as the price lowers and better games are released. I think it all depends on how likable/cool the characters are. |
| voltch | Posted 10/20/2007 12:01:09 PM | message detail |
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Well the versus XIII guy looks awesome,i hope his personality doesn't suck. --- *shakes fist at his own bracket* |
| creativename | Posted 10/20/2007 12:03:16 PM | message detail |
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In terms of Final Fantasy character strength, I think it'll probably go FF7>FFX>=FF8>FF13>everything else. I expect FF13 character to be weaker than FF10 characters in general, but sronger than any other game. FF13 might be hurt by PS3's lack of market saturation (though it should be much higher by the time the game comes out), but it won't be hurt by not-the-first-FF-game-for-the-generation factor. FF13 is not going to get overlooked. As for Vs. 13, I have no idea how successful that game will be. It could be a force, or it could be a joke. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| creativename | Posted 10/20/2007 12:04:08 PM | message detail |
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Also the fact that it seems to be sci-fi rather than medieval is probably a big help. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| voltch | Posted 10/20/2007 12:06:57 PM | message detail |
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i was thinking that if they are near squall/vincent level then the high midcarder pack will become incredibly stacked. that would make matches more exciting if you get more strong characters with nearly the same amount of strength. --- *shakes fist at his own bracket* |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/20/2007 12:11:37 PM | message detail |
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They won't be as strong as Squall/Vincent/Auron...since those characters weren't as strong as they are now before KH/KH2/AC/DoC. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| Lopen | Posted 10/20/2007 12:18:59 PM | message detail |
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1. Luigi/Ganondorf/Yuna/Master Chief With bacondorf likely to be in full force, I think Luigi has a great chance for second place here, but it's really a toss-up. I'm looking forward to this for second place and to see how much of a whoopin Master Chief lays down. A match where I care about first and second place... hell yeah. 2. Samus/Mega Man/Yoshi/Scorpion I've been waiting for this match all contest. I've been wanting to see MM/Samus for so long... now I know MM doesn't have "it's freaking Mega Man" going for him, but my money is still only him to SFF Samus's support out from under her. That pic just makes things look better... am I the only one vaguely considering Mega Man > Scorpion here...? Heh. 3. Link/Crono/Vincent/Zero The first appearance round just made this match a whole lot more interesting. I still like Vincent's chances, but CT sprites seem to do well. 4. Cloud/Auron/Ryu/Marcus Auron/Ryu is debatable because of Cloud there.. and Ryu being one of my big upsets I'm looking forward to this. Not liking Ryu's chances with that beastly picture advantage Auron has, though... but there's definitely still a chance for him. 5. Snake/Kratos/L/Riku Oh gawd oh gawd please stop the L-Block. 6. Sonic/Squall/Sora/Sub-Zero I think Sora might be able to give Squall a scare. Logic says that Squall should beat him even worse because Aeris is gone, but... I'm just not entirely sure here. Could be interesting. 7. Dante/Leon/Pikachu/Amaterasu Boring match. I suppose Leon > Dante has a slight chance of happening, but I'm not seeing it. The upset potential alone puts it above the next one. 8. Sephiroth/Mario/Big Boss/Fox Bleh. Who cares. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| ZFS | Posted 10/20/2007 12:19:09 PM | message detail |
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FF13 should end up being pretty strong in these contests. It helps that
it's being developed by the same team that has made the most popular FF
games -- FF7, FF8, FF10 -- and is bound to have the same type of mass
appeal Final Fantasy tends to have. FF12 was closer to something like
FFT than any the more mainstream titles -- and its characters' strength
certainly shows. creative had it about right, I think -- FF7 > FF10 > FF13 as a whole. FF8 is really only Squall, and a large part of what makes him what he is can be credited to Kingdom Hearts. I don't think FF13 is going to produce a Vincent or Auron strength character, though. I'd expect the highest to be just a bit below that. Although it's hard to say anything really definitive about that right now. --- "Ha! No spoony bard could spin a sweeter tale!" |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 10/20/2007 12:37:12 PM | message detail |
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When is Final Fantasy XIII scheduled for release, anyway? Whenever it
is, the PS3 better pick things up between now and then, because in
terms of site-wide appeal, it's pretty much where the Xbox was in 2003,
and that's no good. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 10/20/2007 12:44:14 PM | message detail |
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The XBox was at 30% ownership by September 2003...the PS3 is trailing rather far behind that. --- Mustache...and green... www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 10/20/2007 12:47:08 PM | message detail |
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Pass the plate of ouch, plz. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| BDawg | Posted 10/20/2007 12:51:53 PM | message detail |
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It's way too early to say anything about FFXIII. I sure didn't see
anyone pegging Balthier to be beaten down, and that game was already
out. --- Should I start running now? |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/20/2007 12:53:14 PM | message detail |
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Being released at the end of a console's lifespan is often the kiss of
death for some games, so I guess we should have seen it coming with
FFXII...but still. --- The apples were too strong for him.- Abomstar http://server3.uploadit.org/files/ff6man-PhoenixVote.jpg |
| FFDragon | Posted 10/20/2007 12:59:14 PM | message detail |
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FFVI, FFIX, and now FFXII aren't the pinnacles of strength at all. --- Married to PepsiPlunge June 01, 2005: HERO'S PLUNGE! The revenge was swift and sweet (Metal Gear Solid 2) |
| FFDragon | Posted 10/20/2007 12:59:43 PM | message detail |
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I mean, Kuja lost to ****ing Hand. >_> --- Married to PepsiPlunge June 01, 2005: HERO'S PLUNGE! The revenge was swift and sweet (Metal Gear Solid 2) |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/20/2007 1:55:34 PM | message detail |
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With how Shredder-Subby is doing today in comparison to how he did last
round and to Gordon (though Sonic and Gordon both have reason to gain,
to be fair), don't be surprised to see Sub-Zero K some A next round.
Performing like he is today, he doesn't have a great shot to advance
next round...but if pics matter for him much, then his trademark look
will seal the deal for him over Squall/Sora. I wanna see how Scorpion
does while Samus/Mega/Yoshi duke it out tomorrow though before I say
for sure...but if he impresses while those three are duking it out,
then Sub-Zero impressing while Squall/Sora battle is all but guaranteed. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Sonic_Factor | Posted 10/20/2007 2:03:21 PM | message detail |
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Sub is definitely being hurt by the pic imo..he'll do better next round
for sure. Sonic will probably impress again, since he will have his
sprite. --- Hi. Hello. Howdy. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/20/2007 2:21:16 PM | message detail |
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It's funny how I missed eight of the sixteen chances to get second
place correct this round, yet I'll possibly manage be in the Top
Twenty-Five on the leaderboard by tomorrow (#29 right now)...and I
think lots of other people can say they've still made it through this
round okay position-wise. Makes me so mad Hayabusa didn't come through
for me a second time though...! --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Lopen | Posted 10/20/2007 2:30:17 PM | message detail |
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Hmmm. If Sub-Zero is being hurt by the
Shredder (I'm not sure I buy it, this could just be a weird result
without much logical explanation really) pic, you've gotta think maybe
Master Chief was stronger last year and this boost isn't quite as much
the format/Halo 3 as we think. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/20/2007 2:47:05 PM | message detail |
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1. Zero/Link/Vincent/Crono- Obvious reasons. Zero will likely get his
MMX sprite, which is what he used against Mega Man in 2004. That
combined with LoZ Link should let him take advantage of the Square
split even moreso. 2. Ganondorf/Luigi/MC/Yuna - Luigi was close enough to Ganon last round that pig-Ganon could really screw things up. Ganon seems like the kind of guy who would perform best with his OoT model. 3. Snake/Kratos/Riku/L-block- What would have been a great match in Riku/Kratos was made even more awesome with the addition of L-block. Should be a nice 3-way split for second, especially with Solid **** resulting in more votes to go around. 4. Samus/Mega Man/Scorpion/Yoshi- I was hoping for a Mega Man > Samus upset this contest, but I was banking on it being a round later, and due to Bowser's presence instead of Yoshi. Nonetheless, it's been awhile since Mega Man has been in the top half of the Noble Nine, so it would be great to see the Blue Bomber pull this one off. 5. Cloud/Marcus/Auron/Ryu- Auron and Ryu should have an epic battle for second, and we'll finally get some idea on where Marcus stands. 6. Dante/Leon/Pikachu/Amasasetasru- The only interesting part here will be how close Leon comes to Dante 7. Sonic/Squall/Subby/Sora- The S-club could result in a big upset if Subby can take advantage of Sora/Squall SFF. I wouldn't count on it though. 8. Sephiroth/Fox/Mario/Big Boss- Booooooooooring TuRtLe ~~~ 189/240 in the contest. Next pick: Squall > Sora BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/20/2007 3:00:33 PM | message detail |
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I'd agree with that...the only thing that scares me about
Shredder-Subby hurting Sub-Zero is that he would absolutely destroy
Alucard last year. There's no doubting Sub-Zero would win, but even
worse than the ~56-44 beating last year suggests? I don't know if I
would have bought Sub-Zero (or MC) beating Alucard even worse than that
last year if Subz had his classic shot. Everything is looking to side with the idea that Shredder-Zero hurts and it's hard to disagree with it; MC certainly destroyed Alucard this round (post-Halo 3) and Sub-Zero did much better last round than this round (though Sonic's looking stronger and Gordon/Duke > PoP/VJ), plus I did bring up the idea that this pic hurt Sub-Zero last year when it wasn't a popular idea. I just have doubt without much reason right now, I guess...I'll call it stubborn instinct until I think on it some more, ha. I just find it hard to believe Sub-Zero would waylay Alucard like so head-to-head. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Yesmar | Posted 10/20/2007 3:07:15 PM | message detail |
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It's an FMV. That's so ****ing unfair then. Hopefully if people complain enough, he'll change it to something fairer. --- "Look out-- It's Liquids and Gases!" |
| Lopen | Posted 10/20/2007 3:16:38 PM | message detail |
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Eh, as much as I like to promote stronger Master Chiefs for all years,
I still don't buy it. I'd sooner think this was Sonic jumping pretty
big from the Brawl announcement and the two PC characters having more
resistance to it because they're from PC games than anything. I've always said Gordon overperforms hugely as the competition gets stronger and stronger. Maybe the competition is so strong, puffing him up so much he's "approaching Sub-Zero" in strength. Not sure if Sub-Zero's % even comes close to matching up with what he should get on Duke though, proportionally. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/20/2007 3:22:11 PM | message detail |
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Just curious: is LFF in action here, where Duke and Gordon are
splitting the PC-FPS fanbase enough for Sub-Zero and Sonic to look
better than than actually should...or let Ike and Guybrush look better
than they should? Seems like a possibility, though if Sub-Zero or
Guybrush should have done worse then that would just be crazy. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| ZFS | Posted 10/20/2007 3:31:09 PM | message detail |
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When is Final Fantasy XIII scheduled for release, anyway? Whenever
it is, the PS3 better pick things up between now and then, because in
terms of site-wide appeal, it's pretty much where the Xbox was in 2003,
and that's no good. At the earliest, probably Fall 2008. In all likelihood, it'll come out sometime in early 2009. By the time it comes out, the PS3 should be in fine shape. Perhaps not winning the "console war," but it'll be both cheap enough and have a solid library of games that the ownership should skyrocket on GameFAQs once FF13 comes out, if it doesn't improve rather significantly in 2008. Right now, the PS3 just doesn't have the games that would interest the type of gamers on GameFAQs, so you gotta figure that it isn't going to be doing too hot in ownership. --- "Ha! No spoony bard could spin a sweeter tale!" |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/20/2007 3:32:02 PM | message detail |
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Gordon is performing awesomely here! Haha, I knew it! Go Gordon! Go Orange Box! --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune RIP Eddie Guerrero. 1967-2005. Deputy Chief! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/20/2007 3:33:27 PM | message detail |
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I'm not understanding this Duke = PC talk. I thought his most popular
games were the N64 ports, which are the only ones I've ever played. TuRtLe ~~~ 205/256 in the contest. Next pick: Samus > Mega Man BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| smitelf | Posted 10/20/2007 3:33:55 PM | message detail |
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It's an FMV. That's what I was wondering when I first saw that pic...I didn't recall FFX's graphics being that good in-game <_< Auron's pic should definitely be changed to fit the theme - it's not like he doesn't have enough of an advantage over Cloud without giving him an FMV-pic. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Political Compass: -0.38, -4.21 |
| Lady Ashe | Posted 10/20/2007 3:36:29 PM | message detail |
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How does it not fit the theme? It's from the first game he appeared in. ~~~ Ashe. The Cream of Final Fantasy Fanboyism. http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/9855-550x-contra-poster-2-dsf.jpg |
| Lopen | Posted 10/20/2007 3:40:47 PM | message detail |
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Cloud should have an FMV too, honestly. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/20/2007 3:43:17 PM | message detail |
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fmv round plz --- Moltar Status: The Analysis Crew...believe Duke/Gordon/Sonic/Sub-Zero - Bracket: Sonic > Sub-Zero - Vote: Sonic (207/248) |
| Lady Ashe | Posted 10/20/2007 3:43:33 PM | message detail |
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Perhaps, but you certainly shouldn't take away a character's picture just because it is too good. ~~~ Ashe. The Cream of Final Fantasy Fanboyism. http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/9855-550x-contra-poster-2-dsf.jpg |
| Lopen | Posted 10/20/2007 3:51:42 PM | message detail |
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Yes you should. Auron's pic should be the very first from the game... obscured by Sin Scales. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/20/2007 4:22:43 PM | message detail |
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Round 3- Division 1 Finals Previous Matches: Round 1 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2863 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2864 Round 2 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2893 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2894 Characters Involved: Mega Man The Blue Bomber looked impressive last round, and appears in all his 8-bit glory for a showdown with fellow Noble Niner Samus. Can he pull off the upset? Yoshi Something I wasn't counting on when I made my bracket, Yoshi's presence can very easily cause Samus to lose to Mega Man. Samus Samus better watch her step. Nintendo SFF along with her ass-tastic NES sprite puts her once again in a precarious position Scorpion Scorpion makes another Cinderella run, but this is the end of the line for him. Perhaps he can take third over Yoshi with all the SFF that will be flying around. Predictions: Pre-contest, this was a lock. Samus > Mega Man. Now with Yoshi being here instead of Knuckles, it looks like my Mega Man > Samus upset might come one round too early. Yes, I was counting on Bowser to be the trigger, but if the upset does pan out, it will be worth the lost points to see Mega Man beat a Noble Niner that isn't pre-Brawl Snake or pre-Brawl Sonic. TuRtLe's Prediction: Mega Man 33%, Samus 32%, Yoshi 20%, Scorpion 15% TuRtLe's Bracket: Samus > Mega Man TuRtLe's Vote: Mega Man TuRtLe ~~~ 205/256 in the contest. Next pick: Samus > Mega Man BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| charmander6000 | Posted 10/20/2007 6:34:29 PM | message detail |
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Match XLIX: Mega Man vs Yoshi vs Samus vs Scorpion Past Matches Round 2 Mega Man - 37.73% Yoshi - 28.24% Knuckles the Echidna - 20.27% KOS-MOS - 13.75% Samus - 45.96% Scorpion - 24.01% Frog - 17.45% Midna - 12.57% Analysis Round 3 have begun and we’ll be starting off with two noble nines going at it. Last round Yoshi was able to avoid SFF against Mega Man despite being affected by it two years ago letting him come in second with ease. Samus was able to take the easy win while scoring a nice percentage while Scorpion continues to flex his new found strength by showing Frog no mercy. Samus is the favorite going into the match, she was the strongest character of last year’s bracket plus along with Crono Mega Man’s performance in that contest wasn’t the greatest for someone in the Noble Nine. One on one Samus is expected to beat Mega Man 58/42, but there are some other factors in this match. Firstly Yoshi is also in the poll and if anyone remembers Mario characters are higher up the Nintendo ladder than Metroid characters. I’m not saying that Yoshi is going to reverse SFF Samus though his inclusion in the poll will hurt Samus more than help her. While most people believe that Mega Man will only get second I believe that he has what it takes to beat last year’s champ. The reason I picked Mega Man to win this match is the same reason why other people picked Mario to beat Samus in 2k5; Samus may have the bigger fanbase, but the fans of both characters will probably choose Mega Man over Samus. We know that Samus fans aren’t the most loyal fans by seeing that she hasn’t SFF anything yet (though you may make a case about Midna) and when given her ZSS picture she drops to the strength of Tifa. Yoshi being in the poll helps as well. Directly Yoshi won’t play much of a roll in this poll, but indirectly he could be the deciding factor between Samus and Mega Man. Despite both having Nintendo-like fans Yoshi will probably have more common with Samus than Mega Man which will hurt her in the long run. As I’ve said before Samus hasn’t really SFF anything before and Mario is higher on the Nintendo ladder than Metroid. Despite all the Nintendo Yoshi will probably still scrape third in this match. Scorpion being the odd man out in this poll means that he won’t be affecting anything in the poll though even using that to his advantage I’m still expecting him to come in last. He is quite different than what he was in 2k4 and while two MK reps are enough I do want to see someone else from the series to test their strength. Mega Man > Samus was my biggest upset pick of the bracket. Not only do I have this here, but I also have it next round (with Cloud in first obviously) though without Bowser it may be tough for Mega Man to pull the upset again. Anyway this is all or nothing for my bracket. charmander6000’s Bracket: Mega Man > Samus charmander6000’s Prediction: Mega Man - 31.28%, Samus - 30.63%, Yoshi - 21.63%, Scorpion - 16.46% --- The Board 8 BOP - http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB6%20BOP.xls Match 48: Sonic > Sub-Zero Points: 173/248 |
| paraboxx | Posted 10/20/2007 6:53:34 PM | message detail |
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creativename: It would be a NES pic right? (on L-Block) It would probably come from the original arcade Tetris. I haven't been able to find a sprite sheet of it, but I remember it being a bit different from the NES version's. Still recognizable as an in-game tetrad, though, which is all L-Block should need to upset Kratos and Riku (and Snake, of course, as per my bold prediction !). Black Turtle: Hold on a second, wasn't Master Chief in some really old game that supposedly happens centuries after Halo 3? I believe you're referring to Marathon, a 1994 game (and trilogy) for the Macintosh. I don't think Master Chief is in it. Finally, as someone without a bracket, here are my most anticipated matches of Round 3: 1. Snake/Kratos/L-Block/Riku - L-Block > Snake. Mark my words. 2. Cloud/Auron/Ryu/Marcus - Which will make the difference: SF4 or the pic? 3. Link/Crono/Vincent/Zero - All the hype surrounding this match is infectious. 4. Samus/Mega Man/Yoshi/Scorpion - Samus' pic makes things interesting. 5. Luigi/Ganondorf/Yuna/Master Chief - Third-place tossup could be fun. 6. Sonic/Squall/Sora/Sub-Zero - Seems like cut-and-dry Sonic > Squall to me. 7. Sephiroth/Mario/Big Boss/Fox - The only lock of the round. 8. Dante/Leon/Pikachu/Amaterasu - Even in a contest, these guys just bore me. |
| swirIdude | Posted 10/20/2007 7:23:36 PM | message detail |
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Winners/Losers? Doesn't look like anyone's posted it. Better get to it! --- Jesus never had co-op adventure mode. Brawl is a little bit better. ~McMoogle |
| Haste_2 | Posted 10/20/2007 7:51:45 PM | message detail |
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To comment on this match... Perhaps the Duke/Gordon difference this round is all Gordon, not Duke crumbling? I mean, Sub-Zero is making Duke looking like PoP, and I don't think the picture is making THAT much of a difference on him... (I dont think Duke could quite take on PoP... could be wrong, though) As for tomorrow... ever since Round 1 I've believed that Mega Man is probably back in shape this year. That would give him a great shot at Samus, not only because of the Nintendo split (I'm not buying Mega Man being a big part of it), but also the picture. Samus did have MP:C, though. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| charmander6000 | Posted 10/20/2007 8:19:36 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man - 65.05% Knuckles - 34.95% Samus - 65.69% Scorpion - 34.31% Knuckles vs Scorpion, who wins? --- The Board 8 BOP - http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB6%20BOP.xls Match 48: Sonic > Sub-Zero Points: 173/248 |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 10/20/2007 8:23:33 PM | message detail |
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I'm sure Knuckles takes it. He got the ass-end of a Mega Man + Yoshi beatdown. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/20/2007 8:23:47 PM | message detail |
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Gotta roll with Knuckles -- I'm not taking Scorpion > Rikku, plus I just like Knuckles more. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/20/2007 8:30:21 PM | message detail |
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Division 1: Round 3 - Match 49 – Mega Man vs. Yoshi vs. Samus vs. Scorpion Moltar’s Analysis Mega Man Round 1 – 50.49% vs. KOS-MOS, Arthas and Diablo Round 2 – 37.73% vs. Yoshi, Knuckles and KOS-MOS Samus better watch out! Yoshi Round 1 – 35.48% vs. Knuckles, Rikku and Vaan Round 2 – 28.24% vs. Mega Man, Knuckles and KOS-MOS Go Yoshi, avoid that SFF! Samus Round 1 – 51.75% vs. Frog, Axel and Kerrigan Round 2 – 45.96% vs. Scorpion, Frog and Midna And Samus responds to Mega Man with a finger. Scorpion Round 1 – 36.64% vs. Midna, Kratos and Agent 47 Round 2 – 24.01% vs. Samus, Frog and Midna What is this, 2002? Round 3 starts with a hard-hitter right off the bat. Two Noble Niners, and two not as strong series fan-favorites. Where does it go from there? Let’s find out! Unless Samus and Mega Man do some serious SFF damage to each other, Yoshi and Scorpion aren’t seeing the light of Round 4. Yoshi should hold up pretty well considering Samus will be thrown into the mix. Us Yoshi voters are quite the bunch. Even with two icons like Samus and Mega Man, we’ll still support our Yoshi! The real issue here is Samus vs. Mega Man for #1. A hotly debated match that has been tossed around too many times to count. We’ve seen that Samus underperforms against strong Nintendo competition, and some are hoping that because of this, Mega Man will be able to capitalize. Well, I’ve always been on the Samus side of the debate, and I’m not switching now. I don’t think Yoshi or Mega Man put a huge dent in Samus’s armor SFF-wise. She’s got everything Mega Man has going for him + Smash. Prime 3’s recency effect also swings the match to Samus’s side. Mega’s sprite should help him get close, but Samus has got this. Moltar’s Bracket Says: Samus > Mega Man Moltar’s Prediction is: Samus: 34% - Mega Man: 30% - Yoshi: 20% - Scorpion: 16% Ultimaterializer’s Analysis We've now reached the late rounds of the contest, and there's only 2 weeks left. Sounds exciting, but barring Snake and Sonic last year, character battles have had some anticlimactic ending rounds since 2003. This match should be no different, because it has two Noble Nineers. Scorpion has had a nice run, but his competition hasn't been good. However, Yoshi is a nice little enigma. Samus *might* SFF Mega Man enough for Yoshi to sneak into third place.... ...or not. Yoshi will do well early, but should fall far enough behind after the NPH for this to be a snooze. Ulti's Prediction: Samus [35.00%] Mega Man [30.00%] Yoshi [25.00%] Scorpion [10.00%] Heroic Mario’s Analysis Ah, the sprite round. Nothing gets people talking about upsets more than characters who get old, ugly sprites. In this case, it’s NES Samus against iconic Mega Man, with Yoshi thrown into the mix to cause problems. Most probably aren’t thinking Mega Man is going to win here, but odds are no one is going to be surprised if he does – that picture is, admittedly, very cool. Yoshi, despite not being in contention for second at all, is who is going to end up making the match. Either he’s going to hurt Samus enough for Mega Man to squeeze by, or he’s going to do nothing of note and let Samus rock the match. I suppose there’s a possibility that he hurts Mega Man and Samus about equally giving us a pretty tame result, too. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/20/2007 8:30:41 PM | message detail |
| I’m not banking on Yoshi doing a whole lot to
Samus that he isn’t going to do to Mega Man, though. I think Samus is
so far ahead of Mega Man normally, that she has quite a bit of room to
spare for any sort of SFF that may bring her down. The Blue Bomber has
been pretty solid in this format so far, and I wouldn’t be shocked if
he did manage to slip by, but he’s up against some tough competition in
Samus. I think the difference between both of them last year gave Samus
a win with something like 60/40, too, and that’s before Samus had
Corruption – whatever that accounts for. I think the best part of the match may be watching Yoshi and Scorpion go at it. Scorp’s got that dedicated fanbase backing him, and he’s easily the most independent of everyone here – it might as well be three Nintendo characters and Scorpion. For as big a match as this seems like, it should end up being pretty tame. Samus Aran – 32% Mega Man – 28% Yoshi – 20% Scorpion – 20% Bracket: Samus > Mega Man Vote: Samus Yoblazer’s Analysis Round three, baby! We got all the grunt work out of the way, and we're left with a mere two weeks left in the contest. Two weeks of rantin', ravin', votin', analyzin', fanboyin' gold. Yes, folks, this is where the real action is. Only the brave need apply, cha! The match that'll start off on the contest's final leg is also one of the third round's more anticipated matches. We have two Noble 9ers, an SFF X-Factor, and a true dark horse from years past. Of course, I'm referring to Samus Aran, Mega Man, Yoshi, and Scorpion. So far, our two respected micarders, Yoshi and Scorpion, have had good contest years. Yoshi cruised to an easy first round win and comfortably beat out Knuckles in one of the second round's debated match-ups. Scorpion, sly devil that he is, destroyed Midna on two separate occasions and shocked nearly the entire board by making it this far. Despite these fine performances, however, we all know who this match is really between, and it's one that has been years in the making. OK, so it isn't nearly as good as Samus vs. Mega Man in a traditional match, but it should still be fun to finally watch these two go at it. If Knuckles were here in Yoshi's place, I'd bet the house on a Samus victory. With a true blue Nintendo character here instead, it becomes less clear. How much will Yoshi's presence hurt Samus? Will it be enough to let Mega Man slip by? While those questions are good ones, neither are the ones I've been asking: just how "Nintendo" is Mega Man? Does he occupy a rung on the same SFF ladder as Yoshi and Samus, is he relatively independent, or is he somewhere in the middle? I believe this match will offer better answers than anything else we've seen with the Blue Bomber. I'm going to guess that Mega Man more or less is an unofficial Nintendo character, and as such, will be duking it out for the same fanbase as Samus. I also feel he's clearly the weaker of the two directly, and the only way he'll make it out of this match with the first place medal is if Yoshi really does hurt Samus significantly more. It's certainly a possibility, but it's not what I'm betting on. Samus has looked very strong in the first two rounds, and she broke Midna apart with probable SFF in her last match. I'd be feeling a bit better if she had a better picture, and I'd be feeling a LOT better if Knuckles was here instead, but I still think Samus will take it. Samus Aran - 33% Mega Man - 31% Yoshi - 18% Scorpion - 18% Lopen’s Analysis Hoo boy, here we go. Serious analysis time for an especially odd result... how has it taken so long for this? |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/20/2007 8:31:30 PM | message detail |
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I'd always considered Mega Man to be the favorite against Samus. Sorta
the same deal as with Mario in 2005. The underdog statistically, but
the favorite nonetheless. Course we can't exactly say "it's freaking
Mega Man" like we can with Mario, but this has just been my gut with
this one. Mega Man has usually looked good in SFF situations, whereas
Samus has usually looked bad. The only exception to this is their two
matches against Link... in which Samus did about as expected whereas
Mega Man flopped. I think that can be explained by the Mega Man/Link
picture (heavily weighted towards Link, totally) and Samus "reaching
out" beyond her core Nintendo fanbase, which explains why she looks
stronger against non Ninty opponents when she's not in her Malibu Suit.
And the seeming SFF strength discrepancy only hurts Samus more when
Yoshi gets thrown into the mix. So now, the match is here, and we get to see Mega Man vs Samus... and things look all the sweeter for Mega Man. Mega Man's got his charming sprite from his glory days... whereas Samus... looks like a half bird half reptile body builder. I'm pretty convinced that compared to the rest of the Metroid series and Smash, the NES game is actually incredibly weak. To me it just didn't seem very popular back in the day. I've heard people say otherwise, but having a grasp on the 8-Bit era's popularity is one thing I'm mostly confident in... only got one match from that division wrong in 2004, after all! (Damn you Pong you're not 8-Bit I blame you) As a result, I think a match where it'd be a nail biter between Mega Man and Samus... might actually end up being a nail biter between Samus and... dare I say it... SCORPION!? ... you think I'm joking, but I'm not. Why Scorpion and not Yoshi, though? I mean certainly, even if Yoshi is going to get SFFed by Mega Man he'll still look better than Scorpion, right? Well, I've got a theory on Yoshi... I think he does poorly when he has his sprite. Let's look at this history of Yoshi's sprite, shall we? 1. 2004: Yoshi gets shoved down to the neighborhood of 19% against Link. Link is cutting Yoshi's tongue off,...so that might be to blame. (Good man, Link, good man) 2. 2005: Yoshi gets decimated, over doubled by Mega Man. Yoshi is two seconds from getting shot in the face... so that might be to blame. (Good man, Mega Man, good man) 3. 2006: Yoshi does about as expected... maybe a bit better... against Snake the Purple freakin Power Ranger. Doing about as expected against Snake in the sprite round? HA! No bodily harm to save Yoshi from this "disgrace." And yes, again, Yoshi will be gettin SFFed from Mega Man/Samus here... whereas Scorpion will not. Scorpion's sprite is also the best or second best in the match, and I have faith in the fighting fanbase to not let him drop too low. If any time we're to see the upset to end all upsets, it's now. I'm not going to officially take it, just because I think Mega Man > Samus is still the likely result and very much bold enough. Just let it be known that if it does happen, I humored it! (And if it doesn't even come close you may all laugh at me) Lopen's prediction: Mega Man - 32.34% Samus - 26.05% Scorpion - 24.56% Yoshi - 17.05% Transience’s Analysis this is one of the biggest matches of the contest, if only because we've debated what might happen in a match between these two for at least two years. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/20/2007 8:31:46 PM | message detail |
| Samus is fairly notorious for being an extremely
strong character while having very little to prop her up. Metroid is
almost definitely the weakest of the Noble Nine series', and it
probably isn't even close. Mega Man is a dated, dead series, but it
*did* have a ton of fans at one point. the Metroid series has never had
anything besides niche popularity, and I doubt that any Metroid game is
even in the top 20 on this site. her 60-40 beatdown at the hands of
Mario is proof of how low her standing is with Nintendo. she seems to
be propped up by her awesome character design, her iconicness and
Smash, which is enough to beat down pretty much anybody. she draws her
strength from a bunch of sources - Metroid isn't your typical Nintendo
series but still gets votes from the Nintendo crowd - but struggles
mightily when someone saps away her core fanbase. she barely was able
to SFF Ganondorf, after all. meanwhile, Mega Man *crushed* Yoshi in 2005. Mega Man is undoubtedly more well-known than Samus, with one weakness: he isn't in a Smash game. put Mega in a Smash game and Clinkeroth would be the limit. he has every advantage that Samus has - great character design, classic roots - but just lacks that appearance in Smash. he clearly has some overlap with the Nintendo guys. despite being clearly weaker than Samus, can he take advantage of her mostly apathetic fanbase? god only knows. chances are that the answer is no, though. that's a lot of ground to make up, especially when Mega Man seems to be fading into obscurity, having gone without a notable release for a good decade or so now. Mega Man seems fairly similar to Sonic, and Samus obliterated Sonic in 2004. there's only two reasons that I think Mega Man might win here: Yoshi and that picture. Yoshi's clearly closer to Samus than he (it?) is to Mega Man, and Yoshi has one hell of a devoted fanbase for some unknown reason. I wouldn't even be that surprised if Yoshi placed, just in case one of the two big guns "SFFed" the other. it's tough to pick anything but Samus and Mega Man, though, and it's tough to pick Mega Man over Samus when Samus just got the biggest Wii game of the year thus far and is one of the most hyped characters for Brawl. Mega Man has... uh, I think he got a DS game or three this year, but not many people cared. honestly, announcing him for Brawl would mean more than anything over the last five years combined. that's how dormant that series is to a lot of people. then there's that picture. Samus definitely got the worst of it. (and Scorpion got the best, though Mega Man isn't far behind) I don't think it's life-threatening though because you can still tell it's Samus. she still has her big bad suit on. if people know the name and see the suit, they should be fine, even if the picture isn't all that appealing. Yoshi and Scorpion do look pretty good to take a good chunk of the votes, though. both Samus and Mega Man have good reasons to win this match, but I'm sticking with the character that has clearly been more impressive over the years. Prime 3: Corruption. Mega Man: Star Force Dragon? Samus wins this match transience's prediction: Samus with 32.43%, Mega Man with 29.32%, Yoshi with 21.69%, Scorpion with 16.56% Guest’s Analysis - Kleenex Round 3! Man, this contest is going fast. And this round it's...sprite round? Oh dear. Well, "first appearance" round, if you want to get technical. Either way, this should be interesting, especially considering some of the entrants that are remaining. But let's worry about today's match. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/20/2007 8:32:48 PM | message detail |
| Mega Man and Samus have both been pretty
impressive the past two rounds, and they're obviously the clear-cut
favorites to advance here. Yoshi also did a good job at resisting Mega
Man SFF to advance, and Scorpion just did his thing. Normally, this
match would be pretty easy to pin a result to - Samus over Mega Man,
end of story. But then you've got your pictures. Yoshi and Scorpion
have plenty recognizable pics, but that's not the point here. A lot of
people seem to be clamoring for a Samus underpreformance due to her
Metroid sprite - especially because Mega Man's is a lot more
recognizable. But is it enough to put Mega Man over Samus? I mean,
Yoshi's going to SFF or LFF or WTF Samus, isn't he? Eh, nah. Pics
aren't going to make a huge difference here. Samus might do a percent
lower than normal, but it's not going to allow Mega Man to catch up.
The match should go as expected. Only thing exciting here is who takes
3rd between Yoshi and Scorpion. This analysis was pretty boring, yeah, but I'm expcting it to be a pretty boring match, so NYAH. Samus (30.56%) > Mega Man (27.89%) > Yoshi (20.96%) > Scorpion (20.59%) Crew Consensus: Pretty one-sided, as Samus > Mega Man is the overwhelming favorite. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/20/2007 8:33:44 PM | message detail |
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Who wins the board vote here? Yoshi 1st, but between Mega and Samus?... --- The apples were too strong for him.- Abomstar http://server3.uploadit.org/files/ff6man-PhoenixVote.jpg |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/20/2007 8:36:05 PM | message detail |
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Also, skimming last year's stats, I forgot about a snub we talked about a lot this year... ...if you were to replace Aeris with Tifa this round, would Squall > Sora still be plausible in Squall/Tifa/Sora/Lara? Sora wasn't far off from Squall (who could arguably beat Tifa), Tifa wasn't in KH1 at all (although Aeris was barely in it), and Sora did outdo Aeris by 10% this round. It feels like Tifa would have been the easy favorite to advance past Sora and potentially even Squall pre-contest, but now...not so sure. What do you guys think? --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
