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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/19/2007 9:57:44 PM | message detail
WTF are those hands?
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/19/2007 9:58:07 PM | message detail
Too bad Magus didn't advance. It'd be interesting to see if he overperformed again with a sprite.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/19/2007 9:59:18 PM | message detail
If Big Boss Vs. Magus happened this round the percents would probably be reversed >_>
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BDawg | Posted 10/19/2007 10:00:17 PM | message detail
Ok I looked at the pics and Auron is defintely not a "sprite" and I'm loving it.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/19/2007 10:02:21 PM | message detail
It's not a sprite, but it is his in-game model.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/19/2007 10:07:29 PM | message detail
http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/thumb/0/09/Earlyganon.jpg/120px-Earlyganon.jpg

last place here i come
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Lady Ashe | Posted 10/19/2007 10:07:55 PM | message detail
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/19/2007 10:08:29 PM | message detail
If Ganon actually gets that, he is screwed beyond belief.
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swirIdude | Posted 10/19/2007 10:08:43 PM | message detail
That would be very bad...
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creativename | Posted 10/19/2007 10:13:09 PM | message detail
I actually like the "first appearance" concept a lot better than sprite round. It makes things more reasonable, and you don't need contrived, obscure sprites for characters who don't really have sprites. This might be the first thing where SBAllen has outdone CJayC.


Master Moltar
Return to Round 1 format YESSSSS

Agreed :)


Harrich
GO L-BLOCK!!!

He's a virtual lock now! He can't lose! :)

I'm being kinda serious here actually. I think he might totally thrash Kratos and Riku with the in-game pic he has to get here.

It would be a NES pic right? I mean, he can't get a black+white pic right?


paraboxx
For some reason, I almost feel like she'd be better off with a Justin Bailey pic,

A what?


Haste2
Hey... maybe Subby underperformed against Auron last year, too!

Very good chance this was the case. People wondered about that Shredder pic at the time too, though it wasn't really focused on.


transcience
I like how the board vote went to the obvious favourite for once because he was announced in Brawl.

Heh I didn't even think of that :)

That's the amazing power of Brawl - it can even overcome board 8 BRACKETS!

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Panthera | Posted 10/19/2007 10:13:50 PM | message detail
http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/thumb/0/09/Earlyganon.jpg/120px-Earlyganon.jpg

Whoa.

Congratulations Ganon, if you got that pic, you could probably lose to CATS.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/19/2007 10:17:04 PM | message detail
I was also going to point out the possibility of fat turd Pikachu from the original games, but I'm having such a hard time finding it, I doubt Bacon's actually going to use it.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/19/2007 10:17:59 PM | message detail
Like I said earlier, if Ganon gets his LoZ sprite I'm screwed. Luigi will take second there easily, and it will probably be Chief > Dante the round after, which puts Ashe comfortably above me.

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Keno316 | Posted 10/19/2007 10:19:05 PM | message detail
So, if sprite Crono manages to survive Vincent...again...The Noble Nine will look to live for another year.
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creativename | Posted 10/19/2007 10:19:05 PM | message detail
Don't know who said this, I saw Seginustemple quote it
Anybody who can't recognize classic Metroid or LoZ sprites doesn't deserve to vote.

I don't think it's about recognition for someone like Samus, I think it's about likability. An ugly pic might make her less likable. For most fans it wouldn't matter, especially against weak competition, but a relatively small fraction is all that's needed, and Mega Man is obviously not weak.



Master Moltar
Really, it's just one game. Jeez GameFAQs, a little Nintendo fanservice and you go crazy

Pitiful


Heh, yeah :) It really shouldn't make this much of a difference. Oh well, I don't mind much.

shh i'm being subtle

Oh I didn't even notice your sig.

But wait...wouldn't you slaughter the innocent for fun and profit anyway? :)


Keno
So the Finals are looking to be 2 boosted Brawl characters with their own individual fanbase. The Brawl related powerhouse of these contests. ...And the strongest Square character on this site... Yeah...the Finals are looking interesting...

I didn't think of this, so that's why people were saying Cloud>Link.

Link still has to be the favorite...but it seems as time goes by, Cloud's chances keep squeaking higher.


BDawg
At this point I can only assume Cloud would beat Link 60-40 if he was in Brawl.

I think it would be 55-45 or more in favor of Cloud.


MegatokyEd
If this is Orange Box though, he might prove himself in the day. Most Orange Box buyers were 360 owners who most likely were being introduced to HL2 for the first time. So he might actually hold up if he gets some semblance of the Xbox vote.

Gordon...doing decent in the day? Does...not...compute!

That would be a lot more likely to make the universe implode than him simply winning a match.

Too bad Magus didn't advance. It'd be interesting to see if he overperformed again with a sprite.

I'm pretty confident he would have.


n00b Avenger
If Big Boss Vs. Magus happened this round the percents would probably be reversed >_>

Actually I don't even think this is going out on a limb. We already know Big Boss is pic-sensitive.


Lady Ashe
You mean Yuna.

Maybe. Forgot about her.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/19/2007 10:20:07 PM | message detail
Don't assume Luigi gets a good pic either!

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9341/luiginm6.png

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creativename | Posted 10/19/2007 10:20:24 PM | message detail
I recall seeing Pig Ganon in these contests before, anyone remember what match?
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smitelf | Posted 10/19/2007 10:21:18 PM | message detail
I just looked at the pics, and wow, the sprite round concept is SO biased toward newer characters.

Samus is unrecognizable, which will benefit Yoshi and Mega Man, and Auron might manage to advance after all with Cloud given such a weak picture.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/19/2007 10:22:30 PM | message detail
LttP Pig Ganon was in the villains contest, but the LttP one is a tad more recognizable.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/Lttp-ganon.png
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smitelf | Posted 10/19/2007 10:24:22 PM | message detail
From creativename
Just saw the pics. My thoughts (again, haven't really read other people's, so shouldn't be anything new).

That pic definitely brings up some concerns for Samus. It's not like she's out of Mega Man's league, and with the new format already adding some variance... Not like Samus is the underdog now, and she win still win easily, but people have to wonder a bit.

I'd be very, very surprised now if Ryu ended up beating out Auron. As we've seen, SFF seems to be less important in this format due to the character already largely being reduced to his core fanbase. I already figured Auron would hold up well against Cloud. And with that awful sprite pic, as well as the tendency of 3rd/4th place characters to collapse, I could see Ryu sucking it up badly next round anyway.

Also, perhaps the most important thing...I wonder if we will see Pig Ganon? That could actually make Luigi a big favorite in that match.


Heh, looks like you just said exactly what I did, but waaay better and sooner <_<
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ZFS | Posted 10/19/2007 10:25:46 PM | message detail
http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/thumb/0/09/Earlyganon.jpg/120px-Earlyganon.jpg

Holy what.

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Who Cares? | Posted 10/19/2007 10:27:49 PM | message detail
I just looked at the pics, and wow, the sprite round concept is SO biased toward newer characters.

No kidding. If you're going to put sprites, at least give them sprites that they're famous for. Very dissapointed not to see the classic SF2 Ryu, but I just gotta hope when Ryu got 43% on Snake with that sprite, it wasn't totally because of Solid ****!
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RPGuy96 | Posted 10/19/2007 10:30:51 PM | message detail
I actually like the "first appearance" concept a lot better than sprite round. It makes things more reasonable, and you don't need contrived, obscure sprites for characters who don't really have sprites. This might be the first thing where SBAllen has outdone CJayC.

2003's sprite round was almost a first appearance round - the only exception was Alucard's Symphony sprite.
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ZFS | Posted 10/19/2007 10:33:28 PM | message detail
I was also going to point out the possibility of fat turd Pikachu from the original games, but I'm having such a hard time finding it, I doubt Bacon's actually going to use it.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/b/ba/Spr_1b_025.png


dun dun

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Seginustemple | Posted 10/19/2007 10:34:32 PM | message detail
I actually like the "first appearance" concept a lot better than sprite round. It makes things more reasonable, and you don't need contrived, obscure sprites for characters who don't really have sprites.

You need more obscure pics for characters that have rather unpopular first games, though. I can see why it'd be seen as more fair but I still think it's a bit biased towards newer characters who only have so many pics anyways.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/19/2007 10:34:39 PM | message detail
Hold on a second, wasn't Master Chief in some really old game that supposedly happens centuries after Halo 3?

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/19/2007 10:37:33 PM | message detail
You know, themes are cool and all...but why isn't there a consistent effort to get every character a great pic every match? I just don't like the idea of characters getting practically unrecognizable sprites for the sake of staying in the theme and such.
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Dark_Mits | Posted 10/19/2007 10:39:01 PM | message detail
You mean Doom?
JaKyL25 | Posted 10/19/2007 10:39:02 PM | message detail
2003's sprite round was almost a first appearance round - the only exception was Alucard's Symphony sprite.

Damn CJayC and his SotN love!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/19/2007 10:44:53 PM | message detail
At least Bacon has a theme.

I still have no clue what in the hell posessed Ceej to use ZSS

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/19/2007 10:50:07 PM | message detail
On the plus side, I just realized Luigi will be getting his Mario 1 sprite, which isn't much better than pig-ganon.

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creativename | Posted 10/19/2007 10:50:23 PM | message detail
I just love Scorpion's pic. Not that it will matter...though maybe he has an outside shot to finish ahead of Yoshi, who may be suffering mild double-SFF here, like Aeris did.

If you told me Yoshi would get an SMW sprite, I would normally figure that'd be great for him, but I actually don't love that sprite for some reason.

Oh, and I expect an utter Marcus Fenix collapse here. Not only is he by far the weakest character, but his face is very small there, makes him much harder to recognize as Guy From Gears.


smitelf
and Auron might manage to advance after all with Cloud given such a weak picture.

I really think Auron would've advanced anyway. I said after the last round that I thought he deserved to be a clear favorite. I figured this would be a Mega Man/Yoshi situation where he'd resist most of the SFF he'd suffer 1-on-1 due to the format. And the gap between him and Ryu last round was huge.

Now yes, this might be a reverse-Ryu/Riku situation (SFF/LFF in the round after, rather than the round before), and Auron/Cloud are in the same game (coincidentally, also the same series as Riku/Roxas), but I still expect Auron to hold up well. It is Auron, after all. And the KH fanbase might not even have a clear preference for Cloud.


Kleenex
LttP Pig Ganon was in the villains contest, but the LttP one is a tad more recognizable.

Ah OK. Yeah, the SNES sprite is much better (though it would still probably hurt him) That NES sprite is just...good grief.


Who Cares
Very dissapointed not to see the classic SF2 Ryu

That would've been cool.


HM
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/b/ba/Spr_1b_025.png

Hah!! That's awesome :) It actually doesn't even look that bad...I'd never vote for Pikachu normally, but I might vote for him against meh characters if he had that pic. It makes him a lot more...inoffensive, or something.


Harrich
You know, themes are cool and all...but why isn't there a consistent effort to get every character a great pic every match? I just don't like the idea of characters getting practically unrecognizable sprites for the sake of staying in the theme and such.

Yeah, I'd prefer it this way too.

I think the best thing would be for them to outsource the pic creation to users anyway, though. I mean, creating match pics can't be a very productive use of an admin's time.
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smitelf | Posted 10/19/2007 10:53:11 PM | message detail
Mega Man is in an extremely good position. Samus will be SFFed by Yoshi, and that alone would be enough to put Mega Man within a few percent of her, though with no real chance of beating her. But add to that the worst pic imaginable for Samus, and first place looks very attainable for him.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/19/2007 10:53:55 PM | message detail
I stand corrected. It seems as though Yoshi got his Yoshi's Island sprite against Snake last year.

Not like there's really much difference.

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creativename | Posted 10/19/2007 10:54:08 PM | message detail
On the plus side, I just realized Luigi will be getting his Mario 1 sprite, which isn't much better than pig-ganon.

Except that sprite was, like, the iconic Player 2.

And someone brought up that poll the other day where SMB had like a 95% playrate at this site.

LoZ would have a really high playrate too, but Pig Ganon is only the final boss, so you don't see him for very long.

I don't think NES Luigi, while ugly, would be nearly as bad as Piganon.
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smitelf | Posted 10/19/2007 10:54:35 PM | message detail
I really think Auron would've advanced anyway.

Possibly, but that pic makes him a near-lock - which is a shame, because I would have liked to see him facing a non-crippled Cloud just to see how SFFable he really is.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/19/2007 10:55:05 PM | message detail
I don't think Samus's pic is that bad.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/19/2007 10:56:25 PM | message detail
Scorpion's pic is TIGHT! I like Cloud's too for some reason. Samus' pic is horrible and Marcus looks like LOL.
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smitelf | Posted 10/19/2007 10:57:01 PM | message detail
If you told me Yoshi would get an SMW sprite, I would normally figure that'd be great for him, but I actually don't love that sprite for some reason.

I don't think anyone else's sprite matters in that match. Samus's is so terrible that the rest are benign by comparison, though Scorpion might get a slight bump from his (I would have taken him over Yoshi anyway, though).
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smitelf | Posted 10/19/2007 10:58:34 PM | message detail
From KleenexTissue50
I don't think Samus's pic is that bad.

It doesn't have to be a Big Boss-like change. MM would be within a few percent anyway. That pic is definitely bad enough to cost Samus those precious few percent.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/19/2007 10:59:08 PM | message detail
I don't think it will be, but we'll see what happens.
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ZFS | Posted 10/19/2007 10:59:39 PM | message detail
I think some of this picture talk is getting out of hand. Most of these characters aren't in that bad of shape. Samus' picture may not be good, but it's hardly something that throws an otherwise unquestionable match into question. None of these approach the...thing that Ganon could end up getting. That's an instance where the pic could be devastating, not NES Samus.

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smitelf | Posted 10/19/2007 11:01:20 PM | message detail
Well, I don't mean that Mega Man will definitely beat Samus, just that the pic is definitely bad enough to cost her the match if I'm not overestimating Mega Man's base strength or underestimating Samus's.
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smitelf | Posted 10/19/2007 11:04:10 PM | message detail
NES Samus wouldn't be devastating if she wasn't already suffering from SFF, which decreases her padding against Mega Man by a lot. When the difference between two characters would be maybe 3%ish without pic factor interference, the pic factor is a big deal.
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JaKyL25 | Posted 10/19/2007 11:13:29 PM | message detail
On the plus side, I just realized Luigi will be getting his Mario 1 sprite, which isn't much better than pig-ganon.

Wouldn't Luigi get his sprite from Mario Bros.? Not SMB, but the original Mario Bros. Granted, that supports your point even more.

And wow, Mario will get his Jumpman sprite.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/19/2007 11:14:48 PM | message detail
I still have no clue what in the hell possessed Ceej to use ZSS

To this day, I still don't see why it had such a negative affect on Samus. Ok sure she's a bit unrecognizable, but she still looks pretty badass IMO. But whatever.

Also is anyone expecting a bad Fox sprite? I kind of am.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 10/19/2007 11:16:11 PM | message detail
10 people fell off the Top 50 today. EdBellis, lil_leftee, PSU_Jer, ShadowMario, LeonhartFour, jumpers123, PhiloSOULpher, MarioSuperstar, Buzzoro and syntaxerror7 did not have Squall > Sora as yesterday's winners.

12 people stayed on the Top 50 after scoring half points. RyanYeung, PaGz_GF, shadow8021, E_Gadd, hochiminh155, LegendaryGeno, THEVinceYoung, Warning_Cmexy, zorsmobile, warrant6767, Icehawk9902 and One_winged_ange also did not have Squall > Sora as yesterday's winners.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/19/2007 11:17:59 PM | message detail
From HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/19/2007 11:14:48 PM
I still have no clue what in the hell possessed Ceej to use ZSS

To this day, I still don't see why it had such a negative affect on Samus. Ok sure she's a bit unrecognizable, but she still looks pretty badass IMO. But whatever.

Also is anyone expecting a bad Fox sprite? I kind of am.


http://www.n-philes.com/games/SNES/SNES_starfox/star_fox_snes.jpg

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/19/2007 11:26:31 PM | message detail
That link doesn't work for whatever reason :(
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 10/19/2007 11:28:48 PM | message detail
Here are Mario and Luigi:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e1/MarioLuigi_MarioBrosSprites.png

Doesn't look too bad.
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