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Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/4/2007 4:55:51 PM | message detail
On second thought, add Isaac, Jak and Zidane to the top of Low and Agent 47 somewhere in the middle.

The part you've all been waiting for!

8. Fodderline

Simon Belmont
Banjo
Little Mac
Frank West

9. Fodder

Miles Edgeworth
Vyse
Wander
Toad
Parappa the Rapper
Spyro the Dragon
CATS
Laharl
Sarah Kerrigan

10. Uber-Fodder.

Midgar Zolom
Daxter
Agent J
Jade Curtiss
Nathan Hale
Haseo
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 4:56:21 PM | message detail
oh, I misread you. I thought you said you wouldn't consider.. bah.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 4:56:41 PM | message detail
in all honesty, I just wanted to type IT'S THE SUPER SHREDDER~~!
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ZFS | Posted 10/4/2007 4:57:33 PM | message detail
10. Uber-Fodder.

Midgar Zolom


Pfft. What is this? Zolom beats Simon Belmont, yo!

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Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/4/2007 4:58:16 PM | message detail
Joe tops Uber-Fodder.

K. There's no way that Snake is stronger than Samus.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/4/2007 5:12:38 PM | message detail
As much as I hate to admit it, given what we've seen the last 2 years, Sub-Zero and not-sub Zero might be close. I still have faith that last year was a major fluke on Luigi's part, and Zero is stilll at Danta's level.

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BesaidGuy | Posted 10/4/2007 5:16:35 PM | message detail
Master Chief>Vincent.

Believe
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/4/2007 5:20:48 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb6/cb6-33.jpg

Nice and cozy. Yoshi sure as hell isn't at a picture disadvantage this time around.
ZFS | Posted 10/4/2007 5:22:02 PM | message detail
there's something awkward about that pic but i can't quite put my finger on it

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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/4/2007 5:22:40 PM | message detail
It's a ****ing orgy?
red sox 777 | Posted 10/4/2007 5:25:53 PM | message detail
Clinkeroth:

Link
Cloud
Sephiroth

Noble:

Mario
Snake
Samus
Crono
Sonic
Mega Man

Not really sure where to put Samus here.....no solid numbers for her since her loss to Cloud in 2004. I think Snake is stronger than Mario indirectly, but he loses in direct matches to Mario and Samus and Mario doesn't lose directly to anyone in this tier (except an outside chance for Crono), so I put Mario higher.

Not sure if Crono beats Sonic in a rematch, but I think he's stronger indirectly......and has a chance of beating Mario. He got 57.5% on Bowser last year, and Mario has never been all that far ahead of Bowser. The 2003 proportion had Mario getting 59.44% or so on Bowser; mutual matches against Snake had Mario getting 57.71% on Bowser, and the 2005 Sephiroth proportion has Mario getting 53.96% on Bowser. Obviously the last proportion there is inaccurate, but Mario doesn't beat Crono that badly last year....probably gets in the 52% range on Crono. Yes, lower than in 2005.

Also not entirely sure if Sonic beats MM in a rematch....today's match has me thinking MM might be able to win again, and their performances on Snake last year were very close.....At the time, Snake/Sonic seemed to me to be a Snake overperformance, but after today's match, and MC/Auron/Leon impressing, it could be Crono/Sonic where Sonic overperformed. In contrast to Crono's division, Zero, Luigi, and Kirby have not been acting like they were underrated.

Near-Elite:

Squall
Vincent
Auron
Ganondorf
Tifa
Bowser
Zelda
Sora
Magus

Squall > Vincent? Well, their last match was very close, and Squall's had KH2 since, while Vincent has had DoC and AC. Either character could be ahead right now. And if Snake SFF'd Squall at all.....that pushes Squall awfully close to Sonic/MM.

Upper Midcarder:

Leon
Fox
Yoshi
Knuckles
Dante
Luigi
Ryu
Master Chief
Aeris
Sub-Zero
Kirby
Zero
Yuna
Ryu Hayabusa
Mewtwo
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Bracket: Sonic > Sub-Zero -- Vote: Sonic
Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/4/2007 5:27:20 PM | message detail
Uh-oh, there goes KOS-MOS' one(Or two, kekekeke.) big advantage(s.).
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 10/4/2007 5:28:46 PM | message detail
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/4/2007 5:29:10 PM | message detail
I wonder how the L-Block will look.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 5:29:38 PM | message detail
Yoshi > Mega Man, write it in a book
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Big Bob | Posted 10/4/2007 5:30:20 PM | message detail
KOS-MOS looks so out of place there. Three cartoony guys and...an android chick?
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/4/2007 5:31:18 PM | message detail
No.

1. Magus? Unless you think Phoenix is awesomely strong or something, hell no.
2. No way is Auron stronger than Ganon. Same goes for Squall.
3. The noble rankings are totally messed up... You say Sanke's indirectly stronger than Mario, yet you put him below. This means that you think that Snake could take MP3 boosted Samus? Not a chance.
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BesaidGuy | Posted 10/4/2007 5:33:20 PM | message detail
While this might seem outrageous, I feel that in this format, Snake>Sephiroth.

Metal Gear so far has shined. Add in the fact that Snake is now in Brawl, giving him a slight Nintendo vote, the fact that he has his own fanbase outside of Nintendo, and the fact that everyone that he will be matched up with later on will suffer from some form of SFF, Snake looks to place 3rd this year.
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FFDragon | Posted 10/4/2007 5:33:34 PM | message detail
So if I'm guessing correctly, it's going to be the two winners of last round up top and the two second places on the bottom.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 5:33:50 PM | message detail
uh
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/4/2007 5:33:55 PM | message detail
Mega Man looks more out of place. The other three are rocking some awesome 3D models, while MM just has his boring 2D art.
BesaidGuy | Posted 10/4/2007 5:34:18 PM | message detail
Yoshi > Mega Man, write it in a book

My bracket agrees with you Tranny
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/4/2007 5:34:32 PM | message detail
Eh, I know it's harder to make pics for this format...but I'm not digging this style.

Yoshi and MM got good spots in it though, so whoo.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 5:35:52 PM | message detail
those pictures are going to look so funny when it's, like, a tetris block.

pikachu wins this picture style too
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ZFS | Posted 10/4/2007 5:36:01 PM | message detail
While this might seem outrageous, I feel that in this format, Snake>Sephiroth.

I doubt it. It took some voodoo and Cloud being in the same poll for Snake to just barely slip by last year.

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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 10/4/2007 5:37:05 PM | message detail
2. No way is Auron stronger than Ganon. Same goes for Squall.

Auron, Squall, and Vincent could be argued stronger than Ganon. Especially since Ganon has shown a weakness towards FF characters (lol TIDUS)
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 5:37:46 PM | message detail
lol Auron 2k5 then
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ZFS | Posted 10/4/2007 5:39:14 PM | message detail
pkachu wins this picture style too

imagine bidoof

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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 5:39:47 PM | message detail
augh

i believe in miracles
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/4/2007 5:40:32 PM | message detail
2. No way is Auron stronger than Ganon. Same goes for Squall.

Once again, did you not see Vincent/Squall 2k5 and the x-stats for 2k6? Squall is closer to Vincent than Ganondorf is, unless Ganon has boosted significantly.

I'd love to see a match between Squall and Ganondorf.

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BesaidGuy | Posted 10/4/2007 5:41:58 PM | message detail
I think Brawl has that big of a push.

Also, I said In This Format

One on One Sephiroth wins, but this format, I feel like Snake gets SFF less than almost anyone else, but also gets the slight Brawl boost, which also gives him a slight/minimal Nintendo vote.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/4/2007 5:42:04 PM | message detail
Mudkips going to own this style.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/4/2007 5:42:20 PM | message detail
We get to see Zero with a good pic for the first time since 2k5. Should be good fun.

And I suddenly have a real bad feeling about Mudkip advancing. He'll stick out like a sore thumb in that picture.

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redrocket | Posted 10/4/2007 5:45:13 PM | message detail
And I suddenly have a real bad feeling about Mudkip advancing. He'll stick out like a sore thumb in that picture.

That's a bad thing???

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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 5:45:53 PM | message detail
I think the point is that it's a good thing. Luigi always does well in those action shots though.
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FFDragon | Posted 10/4/2007 5:47:19 PM | message detail
If Big Boss gets a MGS3 picture (can't see him getting a melty pic with this style), does he overperform? And if so, by how much?
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 5:48:02 PM | message detail
who knows? if it happens, all bets are off between him and Magus. some people had him winning two rounds in 2005 because of that.
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ZFS | Posted 10/4/2007 5:48:35 PM | message detail
I think Brawl has that big of a push.

Also, I said In This Format


But Snake had both of these things in his favor last year, and that was against a handicapped Sephiroth. I really wouldn't think much has changed for Snake over the past year that would make him stronger due to Brawl; this format is practically a repeat of last year's Battle Royale, too.

Not that it matters since the two of them don't face, and Snake's path is about as cut and dry as it gets, but even then, I don't see Snake having Sephiroth-esque strength even this format. There hasn't been much to show he's at that level yet.

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BesaidGuy | Posted 10/4/2007 5:51:55 PM | message detail
Am I the only one who doesn't have Sonic in the Final 16?


I had to be drunk making this bracket. I seriously had to be.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/4/2007 6:02:37 PM | message detail
1. Magus? Unless you think Phoenix is awesomely strong or something, hell no.

Yeah, Magus does seem really out of place there. But, I don't see him being worth much below 40% or so on Crono indirectly (what the 2005 stats suggest), which should put him above Leon. I'm not taking much from the Phoenix match......Bomberman isn't exactly weak (at least if you believe 2k4 Squall is very close to Sonic anyway), and Phoenix is the type of character who should really benefit from this format. That and he's probably boosted a lot since last year due to his sales doubling or something like that. And Magus's defeat of Ganondorf in 2003 indicates that as overrated as he may have been, he did have a decent amount of strength at one point, and I don't think he's fallen completely off the map as Crono hasn't.

2. No way is Auron stronger than Ganon. Same goes for Squall.

Auron last year did 7% better than Ganon did against Alucard in 2004, and got nearly 60% on Sub-Zero, who today is getting over 45% of the Sonic/Sub-Zero votes. Squall, of course, did better than Ganon against Vincent, and not too much worse than MM/Sonic against Snake, despite possible SFF. I'm not saying that those show clearly that Squall/Auron > Ganon, but neither does Ganon > Auron 2005 show that Ganon > Auron is still the case. KH2 boost.

3. The noble rankings are totally messed up... You say Sanke's indirectly stronger than Mario, yet you put him below. This means that you think that Snake could take MP3 boosted Samus? Not a chance.

I said Samus beats Snake directly. But she loses to Mario, and I am uncertain of her strength against Crono/Sonic/MM, although she'd have to be the favorite against all of them. Snake beat Sonic and MM with no trouble, and I doubt he'd have too much difficulty with Crono. Samus was easily stronger than Mario indirectly in 2003/4, but she hasn't had a match that reveals much about her strength since losing to Cloud in 2004.

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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 6:03:58 PM | message detail
ever the CT fanboy - sorry, but Magus just isn't that strong anymore. unless you think this format hurts CT, which is counterintuitive.
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/4/2007 6:14:49 PM | message detail
Alucard's dropped

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Draco1214 | Posted 10/4/2007 6:21:55 PM | message detail
My winners/losers:

Winners:
1) Ryu Hayabusa
2) Pikachu
3) Master Chief
4) L-Block
5) Marcus Fenix
6) Meta Knight
7) Sub-Zero
8) Liquid Snake
9) Phoenix Wright
10) Arthas Menethil

Losers:
1) Balthier
2) Gordon Freeman
3) Midna
4) Raiden
5) Tidus
6) Magus
7) Knuckles the Echidna
8) Sonic the Hedgehog
9) Vyse
10) Zelos Wilder
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 6:23:55 PM | message detail
I'm loving this 40% barrier.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/4/2007 6:25:31 PM | message detail
Err, Tidus has been dropping, sure, but not so much FF10.

Uh, not so sure about that. Yuna and Rikku boosted from X-2 and Auron boosted from KH2. Without that, I think FFX would be looking pretty bad...and I'd count on it to be weaker in a games contest than it was in 2k4.
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/4/2007 6:28:26 PM | message detail
I dont think so...you cant compare cast to an FF...doesnt it still do well in FF polls?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/4/2007 6:32:09 PM | message detail
I dunno. Have we seen FFX since the Top 100 list?
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JonPen1416 | Posted 10/4/2007 6:39:05 PM | message detail
So has anyone even remotely considered Mega Man > KOS-MOS? Sure, it's pretty extraordinarily unlikely, but I don't think it would necessarily be the strangest thing this contest.

I mean, with Sonic characters bombing, and MM/Yoshi SFF, it would seem to be in the realm of possibility. Too bad KOS-MOS isn't like 2.5x stronger and too bad pretty much every other semi-obscure RPG character has bombed in this contest so far and KOS-MOS is probably overrated as is because of Blizzard SFF. Oh well, I thought it was worth considering.
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/4/2007 6:41:41 PM | message detail
So has anyone even remotely considered Mega Man > KOS-MOS?

It's mentioned in some of the Crew write-ups. Highly unlikely, but not impossible.
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/4/2007 6:54:14 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb6/cb6-33.jpg

Nice to finally see a round 2 pic. It looks great, but I think Knuckles and KOS are a little too low. The style gives an advantage to those who got first in their matches.
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