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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 509

Lady Ashe | Posted 10/4/2007 3:04:42 PM | message detail
argh what the hell do you mean "even with"

that picture sucked ass
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 3:05:20 PM | message detail
not bad. my opinions:

Winners

1. Master Chief
2. Ryu Hayabusa
3. Sub-Zero
4. L-Block
5. Fox

Losers

1. Tidus
2. Sonic characters
3. Midna
4. Balthier
5. Vyse
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/4/2007 3:07:47 PM | message detail
After this performance, I wouldn't place Midna anywhere near the top 5 losers list. I doubt Scorpion is that far away from Subby if at all.
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swirIdude | Posted 10/4/2007 3:08:42 PM | message detail
Yeah, I decided not to do a ranking just because it's still hard to place exactly who did better than who here.
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swirIdude | Posted 10/4/2007 3:09:19 PM | message detail
argh what the hell do you mean "even with"

that picture sucked ass


Well I agree, but before the match, I saw people saying "Oh, he's kickass in that MGS4 trailer, surely that look will benefit him!"
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Lady Ashe | Posted 10/4/2007 3:11:10 PM | message detail
And I'm kindof disappointed that Marcus didn't get a mention. Oh well, maybe when he beats down Ocelot. =D
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swirIdude | Posted 10/4/2007 3:14:24 PM | message detail
Oh yay, you beat Kefka by a few percentage points, you're a real story around these parts!

If he does rip Ocelot a new one he's looking at Star of Round 2.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 3:14:56 PM | message detail
well, I had high hopes for Midna. and she wasn't even close.

there's more winners than losers, really. Ryu and Mudkip also deserve a mention.
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swirIdude | Posted 10/4/2007 3:16:14 PM | message detail
I gave Mudkip a mention, and felt like Ryu's performance was created mostly by Bowser leeching. I would expect most of Toad's 10% to go to Bowser if he was removed, and probably most of Mewtwo's votes as well.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 3:18:02 PM | message detail
it's tough to give Scorpion and Sub some love in this format and not Ryu.. especially when he looked as good as anyone. if I combined them, fighting game characters would be my #1.
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swirIdude | Posted 10/4/2007 3:20:45 PM | message detail
Yeah, my post is technically just a well-thought out opinion, you can surely make a case for Ryu.
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/4/2007 3:33:16 PM | message detail
This is a bit different - the groups of characters I'd call winners and losers:

Winners:
1. Xobox
2. Pokémon
3. Fighting games
4. METAL GEAR?!
5. RE4

Losers:
1. Women
2. Sonic
3. Pre-FFVII Square
4. Post-FFVIII Square
5. Cult RPG characters
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TheRye | Posted 10/4/2007 3:34:27 PM | message detail
Joke characters should easily be in the top 5
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swirIdude | Posted 10/4/2007 3:34:43 PM | message detail
Zolom drags them down.
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/4/2007 3:34:59 PM | message detail
Aww, no non-character/other winner and loser of the round? Slow used to have them.

Can't think of any though..I guess winners would be those who, despite getting multiple matches wrong, still stay on the leaderboard, and perhaps MGS and Pokemon fans. Losers? Casuals for not reading the rules, definitely.
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Sonic/Sub-Zero/Prince/Joe - Bracket: Sonic > Sub-Zero - Vote: Sonic (103/124)
hochiminh155 | Posted 10/4/2007 3:35:39 PM | message detail
I consider myself to be a winner of Round 1.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 3:38:49 PM | message detail
heh, I had some ideas about that.. maybe next year.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/4/2007 3:42:45 PM | message detail
Eh, Zelos is probably around Lloyd's level. He was likely SFF'd out of a good 5-8%, and Tom's not the scrub he was in 2003... Still weak, but not total fodder anymore...

Out of boredom, TIERS:

0: Clinkerothio

Link
Cloud
Sephiroth
Mario

1: Noble

Samus
Snake
Mega Man
Sonic
Crono

2: Near Noble

Ganondorf
Vincent
Bowser
Yoshi
Auron
Zelda
Master Chief(lol)
Luigi
Dante

3: Upper

Ryu
Zero
Squall
Sora
Leon
Kirby


That's the upper branch. Thoughts?
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swirIdude | Posted 10/4/2007 3:44:27 PM | message detail
Aww, no non-character/other winner and loser of the round?

What?
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Warsola | Posted 10/4/2007 3:48:12 PM | message detail
Luigi > Squall? What?
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/4/2007 3:54:05 PM | message detail
What?

It's hard to explain, but Slow would always have an extra winner/loser of the round (that wasn't a contest character). Like if vote totals were high, he'd put "Voters" as one of the winners of the round, or if bracket scores were low, he'd put "bracketmakers" with the losers.

Perhaps someone who's got an older one archived can point it out.
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Sonic/Sub-Zero/Prince/Joe - Bracket: Sonic > Sub-Zero - Vote: Sonic (103/124)
Master Moltar | Posted 10/4/2007 3:55:35 PM | message detail
Out of boredom, TEARS:

fixed

What is this Mario > Samus indirectly nonsense! And I don't even know where to begin with the second and third ones.
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Sonic/Sub-Zero/Prince/Joe - Bracket: Sonic > Sub-Zero - Vote: Sonic (103/124)
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/4/2007 4:02:16 PM | message detail
Actual tiers:

Clinkeroth

Solid Smario Aran

Cronic Man

Squall/Vincent/Ganondorf

Auron
Bowser
Tifa
Dante
Ryu
Yoshi
Luigi
Zero

Sora
Leon
Kirby
Master Chief

Midcarders

lowcarders

High Fodder

Low Fodder

Nathan Hale

TuRtLe
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/4/2007 4:03:43 PM | message detail
Oh, throw Zelda in Sora's tier

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/4/2007 4:04:36 PM | message detail
And Knuckles

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GrapefruitKing | Posted 10/4/2007 4:05:40 PM | message detail
Zero > Chief?

lol
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TexasAggie | Posted 10/4/2007 4:07:15 PM | message detail
I'd take zelda over ryu and zero.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 4:07:38 PM | message detail
hmm

46% on Mega Man or 46% on Luigi?
45% on Bowser or 46% on Luigi?

aw yeah fanboyism
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xyzzy
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/4/2007 4:13:06 PM | message detail
bububububut 52% on KIRBY who got 48% on BOWSER who got 49% on SNAKE who got 47% on SAMUS

Clearly Luigi is a beast and a half.
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Sonic/Sub-Zero/Prince/Joe - Bracket: Sonic > Sub-Zero - Vote: Sonic (103/124)
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/4/2007 4:13:08 PM | message detail
I'm being conservative here. There's no way to tell how Chief would do if this wasn't a 4-way bracket, and he should come back down to earth by the next time we have another character battle.

And I've already stated how Luigi was borked last year. And Sora is looking to be completely different from the Sora we saw get 46% on Mega Man.

TuRtLe
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 4:13:54 PM | message detail
oh

okay
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xyzzy
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/4/2007 4:16:16 PM | message detail
You'd take Zelda over Ryu? That must mean you think she's Bowser-level, because I'd expect a Bowser/Ryu rematch to be under 55-45.

TuRtLe
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 4:16:57 PM | message detail
I'd take Zelda over Luigi.. so, probably.
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/4/2007 4:20:35 PM | message detail
Here's my opinion of it all. Pretty much in order, including the honorable mentions.

WINNERS:
1)L-Block - Nobody expected him to be a threat in the later rounds, but this...thing just might be. And this was with a 3D picture... a more generic 2D picture might be even stronger.
2)Sub-Zero - Judging by how close he is to Sonic.. wait, wasn't MC supposed to be leagues above Subby in this format?
3)Master Chief- First, you lose to Sub-Zero. Then, you get 46% in poll with Yuna. I was expecting MC to get 46% on Yuna alone pre-contest. Astonishing.
4)Ryu Hayabusa - what everyone else said.
5)Mudkip - a random Pokemon... above the fodder line by a good amount. Whoa. And it's far more than just 4Chan and fads, I get the feeling. Luigi didn't even come close to doubling Mudkipz.
H)Pikachu - go from being more than doubled by Fox, and now beating Tidus? Amazing how far Pokemon has gone...
H)Fox McCloud - I was more impressed with Fox's SFFing ability than anything, but considering Fox equaled Luigi in seemingly stronger competition... Fox could be dang close to Luigi in popularity.
H)Big Boss - 23% with Mario in the poll... just a huge jump from his original match with Auron.
H)Scorpion... killed Midna, who's also above Kratos Aurion. And even Lloyd didn't do too shabby, verifying Kratos isn't too much of a chump.
H)Pyramid Head... Shadow could barely 1.5x your votes and you were supposed to be the lowest of fodder. Not bad.
H)Arthas Menethil... not great percentage-wise, but you beat Diablo! Diablo was supposed to be the clear-cut top Blizzard character and all.
H)Meta Knight... supposedly MK being anywhere near Ness was crazy-talk. Someone thought he'd be at 12% on BL. He shut everyone up.
H)Phoenix Wright... out of all the matches in Round 1, my jaw didn't drop like on this day when I first saw the results. Phoenix... almost leading Magus 40 minutes in?! He proceeded to...well, at least beat Bomberman.

LOSERS:
1)Balthier Bunansa - You lose to someone who's supposed to be fodder, and you're the top dude from FF12. Talk about fail.
2)Magus - Sorry, but 31% against a bunch of chumps? My, how you've fallen from grace.
3)Riku - You were supposed to beat Hayabusa with 60%. You add Roxas' score to you and you still can't even BEAT Hayabusa.
4)Zelos Wilder - Okay, even Mithos does decent, but Tom Nook of all characters manhandles you!
5)Gordon Freeman... Wait, weren't you supposed to excel in this format? Well, it turns out people still don't care about you.
H)Vyse - 10% and get doubled by Nightmare... you were once kinda respected...
H)Daxter - You get tripled by Wesker and Lara Croft. Considering your reconizability, simply horrendous.
H)Tingle - Ha. You get 25% on Sora, yet your true fanbase is revealed once you get involved with other Nintendo characters.
H)Jade Curtiss - 8% in a pack of fodder. If it wasn't for Zelos doing so poorly, nobody would've expected you to do so awful. You were supposed to be above Haseo!
H)Miles Edgeworth - after a decent performance by PW, you'd hope the fan-favorite of the series could do something, like be a threat to Bidoof. Not so.
H)CATS... so much for CATS voters being dilligent. It looks like CATS voters are actually quite casual.
H)Matt (Wii Sports)... I feel bad for this guy. Couldn't even garner joke votes well.
H)Simon Belmont... completely killed. It seems Castlevania characters aside from Alucard are nothing these days.
H)Knuckles the Echidna... agh, you were supposed to be close to Yoshi, weren't you? Did you drop or does the format hate you?

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Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/4/2007 4:21:33 PM | message detail
Whoops, attach Ryu H. Sub-Zero and Scorpion to the bottom of "Upper"

Now, it gets messy.

4: Upper Midcarders:

Marcus Fenix
Kratos
Aeris
Yuna
Pikachu
Vivi
Fox
Ocelot
L-Block(lol)

5: Midcarders:

Riku
Knuckles
Rikku
Donkey Kong
Duke
Gordon
Ike
Magus(Assuming Gordon's consistent...)
Big Boss
Jill
Liquid Snake
Alucard
Ness
Frog
Axel
Meta Knight
Kefka(Controversial, I know.)
Tidus
Midna
Mewtwo
Mudkipz
Peach
Tommy
Akuma
Wario
Shadow
Arthas
Diablo
Phoenix Wright
Bomberman

6: Low Midcarders:

Amaterasu
Marth
Raiden
Kratos Aurion
Sam Fisher
KOS-MOS
Crash
Bidoof
Pac-Man
Vergil
Thrall
Prince of Persia
Lara
Nightmare
Pit
Geno

7: Low:

Roxas
Wesker
Ridley
HK-47
Lloyd
The Boss
Tails
Tom Nook
Zelos
Pyramid Head
Chris(lol)
Captain Falcon
Ada(Yes, that's right. I trust her 2006 stat)
Balthier
Vaan

That was hard. Next up, the TRUE fodder. Yay!
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/4/2007 4:26:31 PM | message detail
1. I'm talking this format.
2. Squall is and always will be an overrated piece of trash. Thanks, rSFF.
3. I can't remember why I put Zero so high!
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/4/2007 4:28:22 PM | message detail
I also expect Luigi to get a nice boost.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/4/2007 4:28:47 PM | message detail
You consider Geno a low midcarder, but think Squall loses to guys like Bowser, Auronm Zeldam Yoshi and Dante, despite him going even with Vincent in 2k5, and winding up equal to Vincent in the 2k6 stats?

Actually, just thinking about it, a "dream" match for our next real character battle would be Ganondorf/Squall. That would be quite the slobberknocker.

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BesaidGuy | Posted 10/4/2007 4:28:54 PM | message detail
Turtle you always make me laugh so much.


You like Zero so much that you try and place him over people he clearly has no chance against.


I am the biggest Tidus fanboy on this planet but I had him losing to Pikachu. Why? Becuase Everyone hates Tidus, FFX has been dropping in popularity and Pokemon has seen a huge surge with the new anime and the most popular game for the past months.


As of now, I would really consider putting Sub Zero or Scorpion over Zero, or at the least, making it VERY VERY close.



Also, Master Chief that low? What more does he have to prove to you? Did you see that day vote?


Sora that low is just lol
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swirIdude | Posted 10/4/2007 4:28:58 PM | message detail
It's hard to explain, but Slow would always have an extra winner/loser of the round (that wasn't a contest character). Like if vote totals were high, he'd put "Voters" as one of the winners of the round, or if bracket scores were low, he'd put "bracketmakers" with the losers.

I see...something to add for Round 2!
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/4/2007 4:29:31 PM | message detail
Why is Mewtwo below people like Marcus Fenix, Ocelot, and PIKACHU? Mewtwo barely lost to Bowser.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/4/2007 4:30:38 PM | message detail
Scorpion over Zero?

How the hell can you possibly justify that after Zero beat the complete and utter crap out of Scorpion in 2k3?

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ZFS | Posted 10/4/2007 4:31:58 PM | message detail
FFX has been dropping in popularity

Err, Tidus has been dropping, sure, but not so much FF10.

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Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/4/2007 4:35:09 PM | message detail
1. Yeah, Sora was a silly mistake. He should be higher.
2. Mewtwo is overrated due to the SFF bombardment Bowser was receiving. Take away Ryu and Toad, Mewtwo wouldn't move that much. Bowser would.
3. Squall was overrated that year. rSFF, BT, rSFF.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 4:41:23 PM | message detail
uhh since I'm incredibly bored

Link
Cloud
Sephiroth

Mario
Snake
Samus

Sonic
Mega Man
Crono

Vincent
Squall
Ganondorf
Tifa

Auron
Zelda
Bowser
Yoshi
Sora
Luigi

Leon
Dante
Kratos
Ryu
Master Chief
Aeris
Sub-Zero
Kirby
Zero
Knuckles
Ryu Hayabusa (?)

Shadow
Riku
Rikku
Fox
Vivi
DK

whatever
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 4:41:44 PM | message detail
throw Mewtwo in with Vivi and them
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ZFS | Posted 10/4/2007 4:43:25 PM | message detail
I agree with yours. I might put Auron up a notch, but otherwise that's pretty spot on it looks like.

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Haste_2 | Posted 10/4/2007 4:45:08 PM | message detail
I wouldn't take Scorpion over Zero 1-on-1. In a four-way poll... maybe. I'd say Scorpion's 37% against his competition is slightly better than Zero's 40% against his own competition (I'll take Kratos Aurion over Lloyd by a decent amount still). The Jill/Kirby expected result swung 13% in three years. Plus, things change in this new format. I would consider Sub-Zero over Zero in a traditional match, though that should've been considered even last year.

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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2007 4:52:42 PM | message detail
I don't know why you wouldn't consider Sub-Zero over Zero. is 46% on Luigi all that much better than 40% on Auron with IT'S THE SUPER SHREDDER~~!? this isn't *all* format here. Sub-Zero is legitimate. he looks like he'd definitely beat Zero in this format, so you have to at *least* consider him vs. Zero, who hasn't looked all that great in the past few years.
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/4/2007 4:54:59 PM | message detail
Who were you talking to, transience?

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