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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 504

KamikazePotato | Posted 9/30/2007 9:46:01 PM | message detail
...what
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Gaddswell | Posted 9/30/2007 9:46:05 PM | message detail
Aeris cuts Squall!
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Janus5000 | Posted 9/30/2007 9:46:32 PM | message detail
more like squall cuts himself olololol
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ZFS | Posted 9/30/2007 9:46:39 PM | message detail
Check out Aeris rocking Squall over here!

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Who Cares? | Posted 9/30/2007 9:47:41 PM | message detail
I'd rather see Vega before Guile personally...who didn't like Vega, seriously?
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transience | Posted 9/30/2007 9:48:06 PM | message detail
I can't stand Vega!
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ZFS | Posted 9/30/2007 9:48:23 PM | message detail
Vega was augh.

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paraboxx | Posted 9/30/2007 9:48:53 PM | message detail
...well if we're talking about fan favorites, give me Dan and Dee Jay any day.

In contest terms, I'm pretty sure Vega's fodder.
Who Cares? | Posted 9/30/2007 9:48:58 PM | message detail
Awww! :(
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creativename | Posted 9/30/2007 9:50:58 PM | message detail
She's arguably do worse than Akuma.

There's nothing to argue here. She would do worse for sure.


In contest terms, I'm pretty sure Vega's fodder.

You are waaaay wrong. Vega>Akuma no question. I'm 99% positive. Vega would be stronger than Guile probably.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/30/2007 9:52:00 PM | message detail
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/30/2007 9:52:47 PM | message detail
**** Vega. Cheap PoS.

and yeah, Akuma's doing bad? That's news to me. He seems to be doing rather expected, well slightly less. but Still solid.
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paraboxx | Posted 9/30/2007 9:52:48 PM | message detail
I'd be willing to consider - barely - Vega outdoing Akuma, just because of the whole Original Cast Member thing.

But Vega does not beat Guile. Period.
TexasAggie | Posted 9/30/2007 9:53:29 PM | message detail
Im feeling pretty good about having Squall>Sora next round.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/30/2007 9:53:30 PM | message detail
Vega sounded like a girl when he lost. Nobody likes limp-wristed Spanish losers.

In terms of untested SF characters:

Guile > Cammy = Zangief = E Honda = Blanca > Sagat > Dhalsim > Fei Long > Balrog > T Hawk > the other black guy

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/30/2007 9:53:49 PM | message detail
Oh, throw Vega after Sagat there

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/30/2007 9:54:30 PM | message detail
Dhalsim > Sagat > the rest of the Street Fighters combined

Hooray for people who don't care a lot for the series.
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creativename | Posted 9/30/2007 9:55:30 PM | message detail
But Vega does not beat Guile. Period.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

I think Guile would do OK, but Vega was badass. He was very popular. That's what gets you to do well in these contests.

Again, I have little doubt. And I've actually been pretty good at pegging SF characters' strengths I think.

Blank would also do decent. I don't have much confidence in any other SF character that hasn't made it yet.
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creativename | Posted 9/30/2007 9:56:58 PM | message detail
Cammy = Zangief = E Honda = Blanca

What? Tell me that you didn't just lump Blanka in with these chumps.

And anyone who thinks Vega would be weaker than Zangief is utterly clueless about SF character strengths.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/30/2007 9:58:08 PM | message detail

And anyone who thinks Vega would be weaker than Zangief is utterly clueless about SF character strengths.


More like Vega being weaker than E. Honda. Seriously what the hell at E. Honda being equal with those guys and ahead of Sagat and Vega.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/30/2007 9:58:44 PM | message detail
Guile > Cammy = Zangief = E Honda = Blanca > Sagat

Gief, Honda, and Blanka higher than Sagat? Doubtful. Even Doubt about Cammy.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/30/2007 9:58:57 PM | message detail
Hmmm, looking at the SF2 wiki, seems as though Cammy, Fei Long, Dee Jay and T Hawk were added in Super Street Fighter 2. That must have been the version I owned as a kid.

And Akuma was a code-required secret character in Turbo? Didn't know that.

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creativename | Posted 9/30/2007 9:59:14 PM | message detail
More like Vega being weaker than E. Honda. Seriously what the hell at E. Honda being equal with those guys and ahead of Sagat and Vega.

I know, it's almost like he's doing it backwards on purpose.
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paraboxx | Posted 9/30/2007 9:59:41 PM | message detail
Zangief was one of exactly three SF characters in Marvel vs. Capcom 1.
Vega didn't make the versus series at all.

Where are you getting these theories about SF character strengths from, might I ask?

And what do you think about Dhalsim, btw?
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/30/2007 10:00:46 PM | message detail
Zangief, E Honda and Blanca all have memorable character designs, and Cammy is a bad-assed blonde British chick that kicked total ass in that game. Sagat is much less memorable.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/30/2007 10:02:01 PM | message detail
The only thing I remember about Dhal-sim was "YOGA FIRE!".

I'm basing these lists based on how much I used/remember them from when I was a kid.

TuRtLe
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Heroic Dr Wily | Posted 9/30/2007 10:02:48 PM | message detail
A 7 foot muay thai fighter with a scar on his chest and an eyepatch is a less memorable guy than the run of the mill sumo and wrestler?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/30/2007 10:02:51 PM | message detail
This massive disagreement about which SF characters we need to see reminds me of the contention with FF6 characters... I just can't see anything notable out of the remaining ones. But Akuma - I don't know where people are getting off calling this performance disappointing. *Maybe* Geno doing better than expected, but there's only so much percentage to go around, and he's being saddled by that picture to some extent (Liquid was one thing, but I see a symbol when I glance at Akuma and not much more). If this many people even know the name 'Akuma', I consider it an impressive thing. What was the expectation - for Akuma > Aeris to actually HAPPEN?
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/30/2007 10:03:13 PM | message detail
E. Honda's a fat sumo guy. How is that more memorable than an elastic Indian?
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creativename | Posted 9/30/2007 10:04:58 PM | message detail
Where are you getting these theories about SF character strengths from, might I ask?

Just from what I know about the games from when I was a kid, and guesstimating how their strengths have changed over the years. (Blanka would've done a lot better relative to the others way back in the day, for instance; he's aged worse than most of them)

And what do you think about Dhalsim, btw?

Fodder probably. He might not embarrass himself but I wouldn't have any faith in him. He just wasn't "cool", though he was fun to fight with. I'd put him ahead of Zangief, but not sure how he'd compare to E. Honda...I put him a little ahead of Honda I guess, but it's debatable.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 9/30/2007 10:05:36 PM | message detail
Zangief was definitely memorable. It's just... I don't know if people would give a damn enough to vote for him. He was one of the more boring character to play as. Stupid 360 degree controller spin. Freaking hardest move to pull off in the damn game
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Who Cares? | Posted 9/30/2007 10:06:22 PM | message detail
This massive disagreement about which SF characters we need to see reminds me of the contention with FF6 characters... I just can't see anything notable out of the remaining ones.

I don't think we really NEED so see anymore new Sf2 characters in, just idle talk. I'd be content with getting Ken, Chun, & Bison back in the bracket...in some debatable matches for once!
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Mumei | Posted 9/30/2007 10:06:51 PM | message detail
"OH YEAH MY SUGGESTED STREET FIGHTER CHARACTER WILL GET 15% ON BASE LINK WHEREAS YOURS SHALL ONLY GET 14%. WHAT NOW, *****?!?!!"

(Argue about something else.)

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BDawg | Posted 9/30/2007 10:07:27 PM | message detail
So now I'm #38. I can only assume practically everybody has had their chance up there at this point. Well thanks Hayabusa, and damn he held up well during the day.
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Ex2 DstylezAdvanced | Posted 9/30/2007 10:07:31 PM | message detail
SF character popularity(for characters that have not been in a contest):

Guile
Sagat or Vega, whichever...
Blanka
Cammy
Dhalsim
Gief
the other 3 SSFII characters most don't care for.
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creativename | Posted 9/30/2007 10:07:45 PM | message detail
Oh, you were talking to BT.

I'd expect Sagat to be stronger than E. Honda/Zangief because I think the fanbase would support him a lot more. There is something to be said for E. Honda being more memorable, but I think that's more in a joke sense.
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Ex2 DstylezAdvanced | Posted 9/30/2007 10:09:25 PM | message detail
Oh yeah. Balrog no one really cares for unless you're Daigo. and Honda sucked. No one uses him
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paraboxx | Posted 9/30/2007 10:09:26 PM | message detail
What was the expectation - for Akuma > Aeris to actually HAPPEN?

After Ryu > Bowser and Ryu H > Riku, and going by the idea that Akuma's a fan favorite on the level of Ken, yes, that's what some of us expected.

Clearly, one of these things didn't pan out.

And yeah, I think I'm abandoning the whole SF character order argument. It's basically asking which one looks the least like fodder, and none of us have any serious proof to back up our claims anyway, so.
MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/30/2007 10:09:35 PM | message detail
Guile
Sagat or Vega, whichever...
Blanka
Cammy
Dhalsim
Gief
the other 3 SSFII characters most don't care for.


Do people actually like Guile?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/30/2007 10:10:50 PM | message detail
Oh come on, who didn't spam E Honda's slap move? It was like Chun-Li's kick in that regard.

And Cammy was easily my best character, which is probably why I remember her so fondly. I used to dominate with Cammy.

Blanca is memorable for the electric shock thing and the Kano-esque cannonball move.

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creativename | Posted 9/30/2007 10:10:50 PM | message detail
SF2 characters are a lot stronger than FF6 characters, I don't think there's much doubt about that. Multiple guys from SF2 would probably beat the strongest FF6 character.

I've always figured Shadow and Kefka would be the only characters from that game worth a damn. Never figured Locke to be anything but fodder.

Maybe Mog wouldn't be pathetic, I dunno.
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BDawg | Posted 9/30/2007 10:11:02 PM | message detail
Seriously, SF couldn't even get Ken or Chun Li in a 128 character poll.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/30/2007 10:12:11 PM | message detail
SONIC BOOM! is all Guile needs to do respectably. He also had the coolest stage theme

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creativename | Posted 9/30/2007 10:12:32 PM | message detail
Seriously, SF couldn't even get Ken or Chun Li in a 128 character poll.

Fighting game characters have long been known to have a lot more trouble with nominations than with actual poll strength.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/30/2007 10:13:14 PM | message detail
I still think Mog could impress. He's a fan favourite from the game, and is an iconic part of the franchise. Maybe not Vivi levels of strength, but I'd take him to be a low midcarder at worst.

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Ex2 DstylezAdvanced | Posted 9/30/2007 10:14:37 PM | message detail
He's the most popular( Ken who?)and most used character next to Ryu in SFII. But people also use Dhalsim a lot also. <_<


however, in Japan, Chun is top.
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Who Cares? | Posted 9/30/2007 10:15:15 PM | message detail
Fighting game characters have long been known to have a lot more trouble with nominations than with actual poll strength.

Yep, look how long it took Sub-Zero to finally get in. Hell freakin' Kerrigan beat him out for a Rally spot in 2k5 iirc.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/30/2007 10:27:14 PM | message detail
I was just reading the Wiki on the MvC games, I really need to try them one of these days. It would give me an excuse to fire up my Dreamcast.

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creativename | Posted 9/30/2007 10:29:13 PM | message detail
Yep, look how long it took Sub-Zero to finally get in. Hell freakin' Kerrigan beat him out for a Rally spot in 2k5 iirc.

There's a LOT of midcard-level fighting game characters we are never going to see.

This holds for a lot of midcard characters, but moreso for the fighting genre than any other genre probably.
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paraboxx | Posted 9/30/2007 10:33:08 PM | message detail
I blame '02's contest.

That was fighter heaven, and like three of them got votes.
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