GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 503
| GrapefruitKing | Posted 9/29/2007 9:48:12 PM | message detail |
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haseo what are you doing I believe that he is sucking it. Hard. --- Oracle Challenge - Today's prediction:~ Riku 36.03% - Ninja 35.21% - Roxex 20.76% - Hase-who? 8.00% ~ Status: ? |
| Seginustemple | Posted 9/29/2007 9:49:52 PM | message detail |
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Well, it's very possible that he'd get 80%, but what of the other 20%?
You'd have to assume that Ryu get's SOME of Roxas's votes, for reasons
already mentioned. even if Riku got 80% of Roxas's votes, he'd be
losing to Ryu right now. --- If you fail at life you try suicide. If you fail at suicide, what's next? Failing at poetry... - Fidormula |
| BDawg | Posted 9/29/2007 9:51:20 PM | message detail |
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Hehe Riku bomba, enjoy the night vote. --- Should I start running now? |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/29/2007 9:51:37 PM | message detail |
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What the hell was that update? Riku barely gained on Roxas and Ryu H shot up? --- Demyx is better than Axel. I don't like Haley Scarnato |
| Xcarvengerx | Posted 9/29/2007 9:51:47 PM | message detail |
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"Hayabusa armor" secret in Halo 3. --- Xcarvengerx (scar-fan-gear-rex) /n/ = A plethora of quixotic illumination. The cream of Chocobo fanboyism. |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/29/2007 9:52:38 PM | message detail |
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Well, it's very possible that he'd get 80%, but what of the other
20%? You'd have to assume that Ryu get's SOME of Roxas's votes, for
reasons already mentioned. even if Riku got 80% of Roxas's votes, he'd
be losing to Ryu right now. Yeah, I'm willing to give Riku/Roxas an insane overlap, but Riku would need 100% of it to be leading right now. That will likely change by the end of the match, but the overlap percentage would still be insane. I'll attribute some of the rest to Haseo, and the remainder to this contest being an absolute circus, because there's no way in hell I take a guy who tied Jill against a guy who 45'D Yoshi. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Gaddswell | Posted 9/29/2007 9:52:58 PM | message detail |
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48% update already. I expect Ryu H to get a 50% update in the night now. --- Finally a damn bracket! http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png |
| transience | Posted 9/29/2007 9:54:06 PM | message detail |
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because there's no way in hell I take a guy who tied Jill against a guy who 45'D Yoshi. to be fair... Arabusa! --- ZFStix: nin nin nin ima ninja!!! nin nin nin XD ZFStix: kill it |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/29/2007 9:54:08 PM | message detail |
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You know, this is really starting to make me worry about Sora beating
Aeris in round 2. I think he might end up needing the day vote to win
that one. TuRtLe ~~~ 83/108 in the contest. Next pick: Ryu H > Riku BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/29/2007 9:55:22 PM | message detail |
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Calling an 80% overlap belief 'foolish' is still pretty darn inexcusable. It was just standard bloated hyperbole. An 80% overlap is quite possible. It's inexcusable to assert the 80% in the first place without even playing the game itself, let alone knowing the roles the characters play in it. I stand by my original statement - something like Sora/Roxas would be a different story, but these characters neither have the strength nor relative connection to warrant a greater overlap than Cloud/Sephiroth. --- Samus 2K5 is horribly underrated, and is indirectly stronger than Mario. KHF sucks and never existed either, much like my package. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/29/2007 9:55:27 PM | message detail |
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I just realized, I have Mega Man going to the quarterfinals. He's going to be alone in a poll with Clinkeroth if that happens. Ouchies TuRtLe ~~~ 83/108 in the contest. Next pick: Ryu H > Riku BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| Kaxon | Posted 9/29/2007 9:58:35 PM | message detail |
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I just realized, I have Mega Man going to the quarterfinals. He's going to be alone in a poll with Clinkeroth if that happens. Time to finally get his revenge on Sephiroth, Solid Snake style! Believe! --- R.I.P. Robert Jordan, 1948-2007 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/29/2007 10:01:53 PM | message detail |
| And aside from the fact that we don't know how a
Bowser/Ryu match would go these days - Bowser has looked significantly
weaker, Ryu stronger - Bowser had hinted at being a chump in this
format before. Does DK get 80% of Marth's votes because they're from the series that Marth gets virtually all his strength from? whoa DK > Kratos believe --- Samus 2K5 is horribly underrated, and is indirectly stronger than Mario. KHF sucks and never existed either, much like my package. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/29/2007 10:02:47 PM | message detail |
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Holy crap, I didn't even realize that. How epic would that be if he finally got his revenge 5 years after the fact? Believe! This is my new upset that I'll be plugging non-stop in the stats topic, despite it not being worth any points. TuRtLe ~~~ 83/108 in the contest. Next pick: Ryu H > Riku BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| creativename | Posted 9/29/2007 10:03:01 PM | message detail |
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transcience to be fair... Arabusa! Heh, I do think that's a factor actually. He's quite unrecognizable. Though it's also reasonable to say that Hayabusa benefits from this format. KH It's inexcusable to assert the 80% in the first place without even playing the game itself, let alone knowing the roles the characters play in it. You're getting going overboard now my friend :) Pretty much everything you're saying is wrong. Also, you have to play a game to judge character similarity...? You obviously do not believe this, so why say it?? Argue against the 80% all you want, that could well be too high an expectation. But calling it foolish or impossible was (I hate to say it) dumb. Virtually any statement like that regarding these contests is outlandish, unless it's some blatant thing. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| creativename | Posted 9/29/2007 10:05:54 PM | message detail |
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Does DK get 80% of Marth's votes because they're from the series
that Marth gets virtually all his strength from? whoa DK > Kratos
believe I would've hoped that foisting made-up garbage logic upon the people you're talking to would be beneath you :) You know quite well nobody would expect anything close like that, especially considering one of the characters is from the freakin' video game stone age :o) --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| JustForFun1988 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:05:54 PM | message detail |
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Well, i like the Megaman > Sephiroth idea. If you can somehow defeat Samus, then destroy Sephiroth as well. --- Proud Supporter of Solid Snake, Dante and Ryu. Alt Account of someone who is lame and stupid |
| Haste_2 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:06:03 PM | message detail |
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Unbelievable... Hayabusa is doing better against everyone than I thought he'd even do against Riku alone... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/29/2007 10:09:27 PM | message detail |
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Round 4 should be Mega Man/Samus/Bowser/Cloud Mega Man isn't THAT weak, and Bowser should be able to leech enough away from Samus. My only regret, is not taking Mega Man > Samus in Round 3, since Yoshi is looking real good to advance over Knuckles. TuRtLe ~~~ 83/108 in the contest. Next pick: Ryu H > Riku BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| creativename | Posted 9/29/2007 10:10:30 PM | message detail |
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Bowser has looked significantly weaker, Ryu stronger - Bowser had hinted at being a chump in this format before. Also....what? (I really hope you're not talking about polls of the day) Anyway, I'm semi-confident in Bowser finishing ahead of the other Ryu next round. Oh all these Ryus and their LFF exploitation! How shameful :( --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| paraboxx | Posted 9/29/2007 10:12:37 PM | message detail |
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Does LFF = Lone Fanbase Factor? inquiring newbies want to know |
| swirIdude | Posted 9/29/2007 10:13:00 PM | message detail |
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Leeching --- http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2931/ivotededgeworthck7.png |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/29/2007 10:13:41 PM | message detail |
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I think it stands for Leech, and I'm not sure why they're inventing a
new factor, since SFF works perfectly fine. We didn't call Cloud a
leech when Snake beat out Sephiroth. TuRtLe ~~~ 83/108 in the contest. Next pick: Ryu H > Riku BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| Seginustemple | Posted 9/29/2007 10:15:45 PM | message detail |
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BTW Ryu > Riku + Roxas is realized. >_> --- If you fail at life you try suicide. If you fail at suicide, what's next? Failing at poetry... - Fidormula |
| Tohoya | Posted 9/29/2007 10:16:54 PM | message detail |
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Is this Ryu boosting through the the roof with xbox boost, or have riku
and roxas suddenly taken a huge dive? With the strength Axel showed
earlier, I'm inclined to say the former, but then, it could just be
that frog really sucked. --- "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." --Ezekiel 23:20 |
| paraboxx | Posted 9/29/2007 10:17:17 PM | message detail |
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Ah, ok. And I think making a different factor makes sense. It's a different phenomenon, even if it's from the same root. SFF explains how the winning character beats the loser by so much (or, in Mario/Samus' case, at all); LFF explains how the character that should be winning is losing instead. |
| Seginustemple | Posted 9/29/2007 10:18:09 PM | message detail |
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Didn't we have rSFF for that? Is that one like so 5 minutes ago or whatever? --- If you fail at life you try suicide. If you fail at suicide, what's next? Failing at poetry... - Fidormula |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:19:55 PM | message detail |
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Is this Ryu boosting through the the roof with xbox boost, or have
riku and roxas suddenly taken a huge dive? With the strength Axel
showed earlier, I'm inclined to say the former, but then, it could just
be that frog really sucked. I think it's the format of the contest far more than anything else. We've trashed previous results (Villains Contest, Female Bracket, the entirety of the first Character Battle) before, so I don't think we should be so quick to speculate about "actual" boosts and drops (by "actual," I mean changes that would transfer over to 1v1 matches) when the very format of the contest is so drastically different. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| swirIdude | Posted 9/29/2007 10:20:55 PM | message detail |
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This format are sick. --- http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2931/ivotededgeworthck7.png |
| Gaddswell | Posted 9/29/2007 10:20:58 PM | message detail |
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Bam. Ryu wins an update with 50.15%. --- Finally a damn bracket! http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png |
| Lopen | Posted 9/29/2007 10:21:57 PM | message detail |
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Hayabusa > Snake believe. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/29/2007 10:23:19 PM | message detail |
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Christ, I figured Roxas would make Ryu/Riku close. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect Ryu to be dominating this badly. TuRtLe ~~~ 83/108 in the contest. Next pick: Ryu H > Riku BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| paraboxx | Posted 9/29/2007 10:24:11 PM | message detail |
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As for tonight's match, I'm still convinced that Square characters are
dying this year, with a few exceptions. I'm not going to argue about it
yet, since there's not much conclusive evidence right now...but it's still the theory I'm going with. Having said that, I wouldn't mind seeing Kasumi get another shot after this. (And after yesterday, come to think of it.) And speaking of fighting game characters: Man, I can't wait to see Akuma own tomorrow. He's one of the franchise's most popular characters. So is Ken. I expect similar things from Akuma. (Though I'd be happy to eat those words!) |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/29/2007 10:25:20 PM | message detail |
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Like I've been saying earlier, until this contest I had no clue who
Akuma was. Was he even in the original Street Fighter 2? Or did he come
in during one of the sequels? TuRtLe ~~~ 83/108 in the contest. Next pick: Ryu H > Riku BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| paraboxx | Posted 9/29/2007 10:26:12 PM | message detail |
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Quick postscript: By "this year", I could mean "in this format". I'm...not sure which I do. |
| JustForFun1988 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:26:14 PM | message detail |
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I have Squall > Aeris for tomorrow but Akuma beating Aeris due to Square SFF would be another joyous thing for me. Akuma is one of my favourite SF fighter. --- Proud Supporter of Solid Snake, Dante and Ryu. Alt Account of someone who is lame and stupid |
| Master Moltar | Posted 9/29/2007 10:26:24 PM | message detail |
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Riku definitely isn't what he was in 2006. At this point he's not
looking like anything more than a solid midcarder. Roxas is hurting,
but not to this extent. Can't wait until Round 2. I don't want to say Ryu H. is a beastly beast now this early in the game. --- Moltar Status: The Analysis Crew...believe Haseo/Riku/Roxas/Ryu H. - Bracket: Riku > Ryu H. - Vote: Riku (91/108) |
| Keno316 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:26:32 PM | message detail |
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How is a SFF match between two square characters proof that Square's
dying?! That's like saying those SFF matches with a bunch of Ninty
characters under performing is proof Ninty is dying. --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB *Claims KG's Eclair, C.C. & Tear Grants* |
| Keno316 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:27:20 PM | message detail |
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Oh...this format...OK. That makes a bit more sense...though still a stretch... --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB *Claims KG's Eclair, C.C. & Tear Grants* |
| Draco1214 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:27:27 PM | message detail |
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Akuma showed up during one of the SF2 games and has been in every single Capcom fighting game/crossover since. --- Currently Playing: Wild Arms 3, Persona 3 |
| ZFS | Posted 9/29/2007 10:29:21 PM | message detail |
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This has little to do with Square "dying," although you can
unfortunately make a case that they're a lot less relevant to the site
now in strength (FF7 aside) than they were many years ago, and more to
do with SFF and the format. Hayabusa is doing amazing
right now, but I'm still not taking him over Riku one-on-one. There are
some instances where you can point out to Square not performing up to
snuff, but there are reasons other than Square as a collective simply
dropping. --- let's mosey |
| JustForFun1988 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:29:23 PM | message detail |
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Super Street Fighter II Turbo (1994) - secret character and secret
non-playable boss (as Shin Akuma). His Shin Akuma incarnation is his
strongest in the series. Since he has the highest reaction time (in
addition to his top-notch fighting habits), he will only challenge
those who have truly mastered the game. X-Men: Children of the Atom (1994) - secret character Street Fighter Alpha (1995) - secret character Street Fighter: The Movie (1995) - normal character in the arcade version and secret character in the console versions. Street Fighter Alpha 2 (1996) - normal character, Shin Akuma is a secret non-playable boss (Arcade and Console versions) and a secret character (Console versions only, except for the SNES one) Street Fighter EX (1996) - secret character X-Men vs. Street Fighter (1996) - secret character Pocket Fighter (1997) - "secret" character Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter (1997) - normal character, the final boss is called "Cyber Akuma", also a secret character (PlayStation version) Street Fighter EX Plus (1997) - secret character Cyberbots: Full Metal Madness (1997) - Secret "Zero Akuma" mech, it's also worth noting that its name is a pun on Evangelion's Unit-00's Japanese name, Zerogouki. (Console versions only) Street Fighter Alpha 3 (1998) - normal character, Shin Akuma is a secret character in the console versions. Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact (1998) - both Akuma and Shin Akuma are secret characters Capcom vs. SNK: Match of the Millennium (1999) - secret character Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike (1999) - normal character Capcom vs. SNK: Millennium Fight 2000 (2000) - secret character Marvel vs. Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes (2000) - normal character (unlockable on console version) Capcom vs. SNK Pro (2001) - normal character, Shin Akuma is a secret boss character Capcom vs. SNK 2 (2001) - normal character, Shin Akuma is a secret character and a secret final boss as well SVC Chaos: SNK vs. Capcom (2003) - normal character, Shin Akuma is a hidden character (normal character in the console versions) and a boss as well Capcom Fighting Evolution (2004) - Shin Akuma only, secret character and secret final boss Street Fighter Alpha Anthology (2006) - Akuma/Shin Akuma are playable & Secret Character(s) (See individual games above from more information) [edit] List of non-fighting games featuring Akuma Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo (1996) - final boss and unlockable character SNK vs. Capcom: Card Fighters Clash (1999) - both "Akuma" and "Zero Akuma" cards SNK vs. Capcom: Card Fighters 2 Expand Edition (2001) - "Akuma", "Shin Akuma", and "Zero Akuma" card Namco x Capcom (2005) - boss character Not saying much but i just hope Akuma to be almost as strong as Chun-Li. --- Proud Supporter of Solid Snake, Dante and Ryu. Alt Account of someone who is lame and stupid |
| paraboxx | Posted 9/29/2007 10:29:30 PM | message detail |
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Akuma came in during the fourth and final update of the original Street Fighter 2 engine. Since then, he has appeared in more games than any Street Fighter but Ryu. So, yeah. Popular. But probably not much moreso than Ken. |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:31:03 PM | message detail |
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You know, now that I think about it, how much "Square strength" is
actually present on this site? On the Final Fantasy side of the things,
you have two games and Squall. On the Chrono side, there's Crono. On
the Kingdom Hearts side, there's Sora and maybe
Riku. There are no other Square characters capable of winning a match.
Final Fantasy VII is the only thing that keeps it from being "just
another company." --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 9/29/2007 10:31:28 PM | message detail |
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Yeah. Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo was only in arcades and a couple
other not-so-popular consoles(3DO). I'd be more confident if that
version of the game saw light on the SNES or Genesis --- This story is not an end yet. Because only you are in the infinity loop. |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:32:49 PM | message detail |
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Also, before anyone brings up the likes of Magus, Frog, and Kairi, I'm
mainly referring to Square characters that can win against decent
competition and haven't been disappointing for years. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| creativename | Posted 9/29/2007 10:33:48 PM | message detail |
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If it wasn't for Squall/Aeris overlap I'd take Akuma to flop. With the
overlap I think he can get 20+%. I still don't think he has a legit
shot to place though. paraboxx And I think making a different factor makes sense. It's a different phenomenon, even if it's from the same root. SFF explains how the winning character beats the loser by so much (or, in Mario/Samus' case, at all); LFF explains how the character that should be winning is losing instead. Yeah LFF is a special case - SFF as we normally talk about it is zero-sum. Split/leeching is negative-sum. Both overlapping characters are hurt. Also, the proportions between the overlapping characters aren't necessarily even affected at all. (for instance, I think the Bowser/Mewtwo proportion probably isn't too far off from how they really are, and that might be the case with today's match as well) I'm not going to argue about it yet, since there's not much conclusive evidence right now... There's lots of theories that I would never try hard to convince people of, yet I still use them when I make my Oracle predictions. I wouldn't go with Square weakness here, but it's possible. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Draco1214 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:33:54 PM | message detail |
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There's Vivi, too. --- Currently Playing: Wild Arms 3, Persona 3 |
| paraboxx | Posted 9/29/2007 10:34:20 PM | message detail |
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For further evidence of Akuma's popularity, look no further than the three people that rushed to his defense the moment it was questioned. *smirk* And I never said this was proof of Square dying. I said it was bad proof of it, in fact. But we seem to be getting more and more bad proof as time goes on. ...speaking of which: On the Final Fantasy side of the things, you have two games and Squall. Are you referring to FFX? Because that's rapidly becoming "Auron." |
| Keno316 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:34:46 PM | message detail |
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Hey! Didn't notice Ryu got a 50% update... --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB *Claims KG's Eclair, C.C. & Tear Grants* |
