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| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:35:57 PM | message detail |
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Hayabusa is doing amazing right now, but I'm still not taking him over Riku one-on-one. Same, and I think that's a testament to the complete uniqueness of this format. Ryu bombed so, so hard against Dante last year, while Riku performed admirably against the character that beat him. That's a no-brainer, right? But if a new guy were to look at this result, he'd assume Ryu could 60/40 Riku in a straight match. It's just amazing. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:36:28 PM | message detail |
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Ah, forgot about Vivi. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Keno316 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:36:43 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, at this point using this format to try to predict one of one matches seems like a far stretch... --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB *Claims KG's Eclair, C.C. & Tear Grants* |
| Lopen | Posted 9/29/2007 10:37:04 PM | message detail |
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You know, I don't know how you can justify not taking Ryu Hayabusa over Riku if he keeps anything near this %. This is just ridiculous.. Ryu had an increase, there's no doubt about that. Hell, it's possible Dante really did hit him with some action game SFF and he's been better than we thought all along. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/29/2007 10:37:35 PM | message detail |
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I think it's a safe assumption that the vast vast majority of people
only know Ryu through Street Fighter 2/Super Street Fighter 2. I can't
see Akuma being on the Ken/Chunners/Bison level, or even close to it
for that matter. I'd expect him to be low-midcard/high-fodder like I
would put guys like Zangief, E Honda and Cammy at. The only Street
Fighter character yet to make an appearance that would do something is
Guile. TuRtLe ~~~ 83/108 in the contest. Next pick: Ryu H > Riku BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| ZFS | Posted 9/29/2007 10:37:43 PM | message detail |
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You know, now that I think about it, how much "Square strength" is actually present on this site? There is plenty of Square strength here. They aren't near the commanding presence they once had here, unfortunately, but they are second only to Nintendo, and in many cases ahead of the even Nintendo's best. The fact they two of the three strongest characters are Square, and the next one knocking at the door to break the "noble nine" is a testament to that. But Final Fantasy is certainly their bread winner. Outside of that, they have very few big franchises on GameFAQs, but that's to be expected. Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, and Kingdom Hearts are a big enough three not to really doubt what strength they have. On the character side of things, that's primarily fueled by Final Fantasy 7, obviously, but Square's even stronger on the game front. No reason to really question it, I don't think. They're not doing so hot right now, as a company, which is probably why they've sort of lost some focus in the past few years, but they're far from being just another company. Without them, this is an all Nintendo show. --- let's mosey |
| lcadwallader | Posted 9/29/2007 10:38:39 PM | message detail |
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| ZFS | Posted 9/29/2007 10:39:32 PM | message detail |
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Are you referring to FFX? Because that's rapidly becoming "Auron." Eh, Rikku and Yuna aren't what I would call weak, or having been disappointing for years. Auron's the near elite of the bunch, but FF10 has a good chunk of pretty strong characters. Second to FF7 in that regard. --- let's mosey |
| Lopen | Posted 9/29/2007 10:41:10 PM | message detail |
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I think it's a safe assumption that the vast vast majority of people
only know Ryu through Street Fighter 2/Super Street Fighter 2 I don't think that's a safe assumption at all. Look at Morrigan and Strider Hiryu in 2002 (yes it's 2002 but bear with me here) and hell... even the favorite fighting game polls. It might be a majority, but it's not even a vast majority that know him just from Street Fighter 2/Super Street Fighter 2. Believe it or not, Street Fighter 3, Marvel vs Capcom, Capcom vs SNK, and Street Fighter Alpha do exist. The people thinking the fighting genre has been dead since the Super Nintendo need to think again. Just look at Nightmare's decent performance and Sub Zero/Scorpion's apparent boosts since 2004. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| creativename | Posted 9/29/2007 10:42:12 PM | message detail |
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paraboxx Since then, he has appeared in more games than any Street Fighter but Ryu. The fact that he's absent (or virtually absent) in the most relevant SF2 versions is hard to understate. Lopen You know, I don't know how you can justify not taking Ryu Hayabusa over Riku if he keeps anything near this %. This is just ridiculous.. Ryu had an increase, there's no doubt about that. You have a point, but it's uncertain. Ryu does look stronger. I'd have to say I'd probably take Riku over Arabusa 1-on-1, but Hayabusa otherwise. Though I wouldn't be too confident in either pick. Riku looks to have declined/been overrated while Hayabusa looks to have increased - but it's hard to say how much the format plays a role. In the end you just have to go with what feels more right to you, because nothing is definitive. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Kaxon | Posted 9/29/2007 10:43:06 PM | message detail |
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Also, before anyone brings up the likes of Magus, Frog, and Kairi,
I'm mainly referring to Square characters that can win against decent
competition and haven't been disappointing for years. Well, in 2003 and 2004 Square characters in general had a lot of strength, but since then most of them have been slowly declining (and the ones that haven't have appeared in newer games like KH2 or FF X-2). To some extent I think that's just the nature of the company, since most of their characters never appear again unlike the Nintendo characters who constantly get sequels. --- R.I.P. Robert Jordan, 1948-2007 |
| Seginustemple | Posted 9/29/2007 10:45:06 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, even FF7 only decays over the years. Unless they get that FF7 remake. Eh. --- If you fail at life you try suicide. If you fail at suicide, what's next? Failing at poetry... - Fidormula |
| creativename | Posted 9/29/2007 10:45:20 PM | message detail |
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I don't think people expect Akuma to be fodder, but if for instance he
were the boss in SF2 instead of Bison, he'd be a lot stronger - almost
certainly stronger than Bison is by a good bit because of his design,
and the fact that his name doesn't suck (I still maintain that if Bison
were called Vega, he'd be significantly stronger in these contests). If he were in SF2 it wouldn't be most of his strength, but it would be a huge chunk. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Lopen | Posted 9/29/2007 10:45:45 PM | message detail |
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Well I mean, it's just that he has 45.5% right now. To pick Riku to win you have to assume over 80% of the Roxas and
Haseo voters go to Riku. I agree the format skews some things, but it's
hard to argue that anyone who's got 45.5% in a poll doesn't beat the
other three entrants 1v1 especially when none of the other three are even at 30%. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| ZFS | Posted 9/29/2007 10:45:48 PM | message detail |
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The fighting genre may not have been dead since then, but Street
Fighter is certainly nowhere near the popularity it once had. It is a
pretty safe assumption that most people know the Street Fighter
characters through SF2 as opposed to later iterations. I definitely
wouldn't be hyping up any of the other
games to be anything particularly notable. Sure, some people have
played them, but I wouldn't imagine a large amount of them did,
especially the more casual players. Akuma should be good to be around that area where most of the SF characters are, I think. It's nowhere near enough to get second (I don't think he's going even be in contention), but he shouldn't be fodder or anything. He's got some popularity to him, but it isn't going to begin to approach Ryu's or anything. --- let's mosey |
| paraboxx | Posted 9/29/2007 10:46:24 PM | message detail |
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FF10 has a good chunk of pretty strong characters. Second to FF7 in that regard. I can agree with that, I suppose. Certainly "second to FF7" isn't in question. And the four of them are at the very least midcarders. But back in '03, didn't Yuna lose handily to Knuckles, the guy people are still laughing about Magus losing to today? (Assuming '03's stats aren't as useless as '02's.) The fact that he's absent (or virtually absent) in the most relevant SF2 versions is hard to understate. I wouldn't call the Alpha series irrelevant, exactly. SFA3 hit Greatest Hits status, as I recall. But you're right that the most popular characters are probably going to be the mainstays, who've been there since the original game. Maybe it's better to say Akuma's ceiling is Ken? |
| creativename | Posted 9/29/2007 10:47:52 PM | message detail |
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To some extent I think that's just the nature of the company, since
most of their characters never appear again unlike the Nintendo
characters who constantly get sequels. Excellent point...for some reason I didn't think about this even though it's obvious. The ones that are re-emphasized (Cloud, Sephiroth, to a lesser extent Auron) are the ones that have stickiness. If Square whored out their characters like Nintendo does (fighting games, racing games, endless FF7 sequels/spinoffs with Sephiroth the main boss every time - Ganon style!), they'd probably still dominate completely. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| emanresU weN | Posted 9/29/2007 10:48:13 PM | message detail |
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Finally got a division perfect. --- This is The_Ocelot |
| creativename | Posted 9/29/2007 10:50:16 PM | message detail |
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I'd still love to see how Cid Highwind would do in one of
these...obviously the strongest Cid, and I'm pretty sure he'd be
substantially stronger than Barret. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| ZFS | Posted 9/29/2007 10:51:03 PM | message detail |
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But back in '03, didn't Yuna lose handily to Knuckles, the guy people are still laughing about Magus losing to today? It was something like 55/45 back then. But we've seen her recently -- even ignoring the female bracket -- and she's certainly not bad or anything. Nowhere near what last year might lead one to believe, but around there with Rikku. --- let's mosey |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/29/2007 10:52:05 PM | message detail |
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I'm not sure if Cid would be stronger than Red but I'd love to see both of them in a contest. --- Demyx is better than Axel. I don't like Haley Scarnato |
| transience | Posted 9/29/2007 10:52:06 PM | message detail |
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man, this reminds me so much of last year. "Link's got 42%, yeah, but Cloud, Sephiroth and Snake have a ton of overlap. Cloud is still going to make a match of this." I have a hard time justifying Riku being stronger than Ryu when I'm staring 45% right in the face. yeah, Riku's going to rock the day vote. but Ryu's got the entire night vote ahead of him still. Ryu is currently beating Riku and Roxas combined. that's just sick. and if you believe Snake/Sora was anything other than a picture? ooooooh boy. as for Akuma, if I believed he could match Ken, I'd actually call him the favourite tomorrow. irrelevant Square characters seem to be just fading away into obscurity this year, and Aeris's performance last year certainly hints at her being one of those types -- FF7 or not. I feel plenty concerned about tomorrow's match. --- ZFStix: nin nin nin ima ninja!!! nin nin nin XD ZFStix: kill it |
| ZFS | Posted 9/29/2007 10:53:10 PM | message detail |
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Of the remaining major FF7 characters we haven't seen, I'd say it's
something like Red XIII >= Cid > Barret > Yuffie > Cait
Sith. Seeing either Red or Cid would be cool. I'd like to see how Zack would do after Crisis Core comes out over here, too! --- let's mosey |
| Lopen | Posted 9/29/2007 10:56:56 PM | message detail |
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Eh, I may be alone in this, and biased, but I think Yuffie is the
strongest FFVII character we haven't seen yet. Don't underestimate the
KHF, man. Yuffie may have haters, but I'd wager she has more fans than any of the remaining characters too. Someone go get a poll to prove me utterly wrong though, I wouldn't be surprised. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| ZFS | Posted 9/29/2007 10:58:24 PM | message detail |
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Poll, you say !! Who is your favorite Final Fantasy VII character? Barret 4.39% 1526 Cid 9.57% 3323 Red XIII 9.4% 3264 Yuffie 4.57% 1587 TOTAL VOTES 34728 (http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=845) --- let's mosey |
| transience | Posted 9/29/2007 10:58:29 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=845 PEACH'D --- ZFStix: nin nin nin ima ninja!!! nin nin nin XD ZFStix: kill it |
| Gaddswell | Posted 9/29/2007 10:58:53 PM | message detail |
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I want to see Yuffie next out of the remaining FFVII characters too. --- Finally a damn bracket! http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:59:27 PM | message detail |
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I have a hard time justifying Riku being stronger than Ryu when I'm staring 45% right in the face. yeah Completely agreed. And Hayabusa is unlikely to get slaughtered during the day, either. A very disappointing performance by Riku after two straight impressive contests, and a great show by Hayabusa. I guess he's finally exceeded our predictions from 2k4. <_< --- Mustache...and green... www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:59:27 PM | message detail |
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Have Red, Barret, or Cait Sith ever been in additional software? Yuffie
does have both KH games under her belt. Obviously, I don't know
anything about FFVII or how much fans like the smaller characters, but
I figure that could be a big boost for Yuffie. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| transience | Posted 9/29/2007 10:59:37 PM | message detail |
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anyway, if we haveeeeeeee to see a sixth FF7 character, make it red 13.
after that, make it Barret. after that, Cid. after that, Yuffie. --- ZFStix: nin nin nin ima ninja!!! nin nin nin XD ZFStix: kill it |
| Draco1214 | Posted 9/29/2007 10:59:42 PM | message detail |
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Yuffie sucks, let's get some Red XIII in here! --- Currently Playing: Wild Arms 3, Persona 3 |
| ZFS | Posted 9/29/2007 10:59:51 PM | message detail |
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I'd rather see Johnny before we see Yuffie. aww yeah. --- let's mosey |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/29/2007 11:00:40 PM | message detail |
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Cid > Red > Barret > Cait Sith > Yuffie Noone likes Yuffie TuRtLe ~~~ 83/108 in the contest. Next pick: Ryu H > Riku BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| Lopen | Posted 9/29/2007 11:01:12 PM | message detail |
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Eh, that's a hugely old poll and predates both KH games if I'm not
mistaken. Give me Yuffie to beat both of them now in such a poll. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/29/2007 11:01:46 PM | message detail |
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Didn't Yuffie only finish ahead of Cait Sith both on the GameFAQs-FF7
poll and some FF7-stie poll HM used to dangle around? I also remember
on said site that there was a poll asking about what people remember
the most about each character...and 50+% remembered her for stealing
your materia. Plus, who doesn't remember the "ooh secret character"
arguments, ha..... No way she beats Cid, Red, or Barret. KH2 or DoC or whatever else, nu-uh. No way for me. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| ZFS | Posted 9/29/2007 11:02:11 PM | message detail |
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Yuffie's role at the very most in those games could be comparable to
Aeris, at the worst it's something like Vivi. I wouldn't put too much
into Yuffie's role in those KH games, unless you believe simply being
present regardless of role would give her a huge boost. Even then, I'm not sure she'd be stronger than Red or Cid. --- let's mosey |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/29/2007 11:02:36 PM | message detail |
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Heh, Cid and Red both beat out Aeris in that poll. Hilarious. TuRtLe ~~~ 83/108 in the contest. Next pick: Ryu H > Riku BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| Gaddswell | Posted 9/29/2007 11:02:45 PM | message detail |
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People talk about Yuffie the same way people talk about Pikachu. >_> --- Finally a damn bracket! http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png |
| transience | Posted 9/29/2007 11:04:59 PM | message detail |
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Yuffie will do fine just because she's from FF7, but that doesn't mean
she'd be the strongest. it's not like Vincent where it's a
fan-favourite at play, and Yuffie is arguably the least important cast
member. I won't speak about her KH roles since I don't like those
games, but as far as FF7 goes? she'd beat Cait Sith and the Turks.
congrats. --- ZFStix: nin nin nin ima ninja!!! nin nin nin XD ZFStix: kill it |
| Lopen | Posted 9/29/2007 11:05:01 PM | message detail |
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She doesn't need a huge boost though. None of the entrants that aren't
Cloud, Seph, or Vincent are drawing significant % anyway. I don't think
such a poll really helps determine much when the range is 5-10% on
every character that isn't the big three. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/29/2007 11:06:12 PM | message detail |
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I get the feeling I won't enjoy FFVII's cast as much as I'm liking FFX's. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| ZFS | Posted 9/29/2007 11:06:25 PM | message detail |
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She was second to last -- only ahead of Cait Sith -- in that FFOnline
poll I used to throw around. Really, among the fanbase she's not
beating Cid or Red. Not a chance. --- let's mosey |
| transience | Posted 9/29/2007 11:07:37 PM | message detail |
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FF10's cast is better, though FF7 wins where it counts -- Cloud. Aeris (2003c) VS Aeris (2002c) Aeris has a strength of 32.81. Aeris has a strength of 30.62. Aeris wins with 53.34% of the vote! A win of 6,151 with 92,152 total votes cast. there's your huge KHF! --- ZFStix: nin nin nin ima ninja!!! nin nin nin XD ZFStix: kill it |
| Gaddswell | Posted 9/29/2007 11:08:42 PM | message detail |
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Wow, Ryu H with a 51.73% update. --- Finally a damn bracket! http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png |
| hochiminh155 | Posted 9/29/2007 11:08:46 PM | message detail |
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For FFVII, Barrey, Cid or Red would do the best. It is a fact frickin
Yuffie would be much weaker than those three. If you argue otherwise,
you're quite dumb. As for today, obvious match. However, I don't know if Riku advances next round. Snake SFFed Sora, it would be prudent to assume he'll do that to Riku. --- Hochiminh155's Trail to Failure swirldude has exposed me as a prediction fraud. |
| Janus5000 | Posted 9/29/2007 11:10:04 PM | message detail |
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*just comes home* *checks poll results* *bursts out laughing* --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." - Joseph Stalin |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/29/2007 11:10:11 PM | message detail |
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Oh, Yuffie beat Barret by all of sixty-one votes. Mmmkay...doesn't
change that more than half of the people who know Yuffie through FF7
knew her from the damnable stolen materia. I doubt KH1/2 did a lot for
her either, though I've not played either for myself, and I'd think
many people who played KH1/2 also played FF7...probably first, even.
It's also worth a mention that she didn't get seeded in the female's
side of last year's contest...nomination's don't mean everything, but
who was the strongest female snubbed last year? ...Yuffie? Okay then. Yuffie would be trash. She might be able to win a match, but she'd be trash. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/29/2007 11:10:24 PM | message detail |
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Aeris (2006c) VS Aeris (2003c) Aeris has a strength of 35.38. Aeris has a strength of 32.81. Aeris wins with 53.63% of the vote! A win of 8,510 with 117,156 total votes cast. Wow, if anybody ever needs evidence to argue Zelda massively overperforming on Samus, feel free to use this. Jesus.... TuRtLe ~~~ 83/108 in the contest. Next pick: Ryu H > Riku BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| Seginustemple | Posted 9/29/2007 11:10:46 PM | message detail |
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At this rate he doesn't need to. --- If you fail at life you try suicide. If you fail at suicide, what's next? Failing at poetry... - Fidormula |
| hochiminh155 | Posted 9/29/2007 11:11:14 PM | message detail |
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