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Keno316 | Posted 9/25/2007 9:21:21 PM | message detail
Why is the updater off by 2 minutes already?
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 9/25/2007 9:24:42 PM | message detail
Ridley and Vivi are about to be within less than 10% of each other. I will not accept this
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trannyscience | Posted 9/25/2007 9:27:34 PM | message detail
well, this is pretty much exactly what I expected so far. Leon's showing he's legit, Vivi's still a solid midcarder and Ridley's got his 20%. I feel that Pikachu/Vivi is a tossup, just like I thought an hour ago. Vivi will likely go up with the night vote too, though Leon probably does a number on everyone with the day vote.

I expect Ridley to drop after the initial vote too. he just seems the type.
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Keno316 | Posted 9/25/2007 9:27:39 PM | message detail
Wow...this is the deadest I've ever seen these during the NPH...
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Big Bob | Posted 9/25/2007 9:28:02 PM | message detail
Vivi gets a lot of appeal from his black mage appearance, correct?

You can't get more recognizable than Pikachu. Sorry, Vivi. And Tidus sucking your votes away too...
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Gaddswell | Posted 9/25/2007 9:28:23 PM | message detail
Wow Leon!

Leon > Dante has a chance after all.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/25/2007 9:29:08 PM | message detail
And I still say Tidus SFFing...anyone really makes no sense to me.
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ZFS | Posted 9/25/2007 9:29:21 PM | message detail
You can't get more recognizable than Pikachu. Sorry, Vivi.

There is appeal in a Black Mage. Vivi actually looks cool. It's more than simply being recognizable. Pikachu doesn't have anything on Vivi as far as that goes.

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BDawg | Posted 9/25/2007 9:29:37 PM | message detail
Oh I could make some kind of pro-Leon comparison to Dante's four pack, but Ada in round 3 is too depressing. And I imagine Vivi might chip Leon's percentage in the day if he can rough up Zelda.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 9/25/2007 9:32:36 PM | message detail
Yeah. For a minute I was kind of interested at the prospect of Leon surpassing Dante. Then I realized that RE4 popularity was a double-edged sword in the form of Ada's presence. AND I CURSED THE MOONS
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Keno316 | Posted 9/25/2007 9:33:41 PM | message detail
lol Spyro...
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/25/2007 9:34:19 PM | message detail
Ridley is so badass
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trannyscience | Posted 9/25/2007 9:35:13 PM | message detail
well, we'll see how Ada holds up with Dante in the poll. it's not "SFF", but I could see a lot of her votes going to Dante. I like Balthier in that match still... for now. maybe I'm just hopeful that one of the best matches of the contest isn't ruined.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/25/2007 9:42:05 PM | message detail
I do think Balthier will hold up better than Ada next round compared to this round...but if it has to come to that for Balthier > Ada, I'm predicting Ammy's going to Round Three.
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ZFS | Posted 9/25/2007 9:43:45 PM | message detail
I think Amaterasu is the least likely to move on to round 3, myself. Ada's probably the safe bet, but Balthier isn't out of contention there.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/25/2007 9:52:10 PM | message detail
I dunno. I think Ada pulls it off. Her prediction % is a pretty clear indicator of what the casuals want.

Which makes absolutely no sense given her match against Samus last year.

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Master Moltar | Posted 9/25/2007 9:53:33 PM | message detail
Vivi nearly losing updates to Ridley?

Oh my word...
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/25/2007 9:55:25 PM | message detail
Eh, after seeing Vaan be decimated in the highest-voted match this contest (Rikku be damned), Balthier clearly losing to Ada in the lowest-voted match this contest, FF9 >= FF12 in the modern-FF poll last year, understanding FF12 was a love/hate game before the contest, and hearing FF12 has an ensemble cast recently...

...I'll remain doubtful of Balthier's chances next round. I know nobody's thinking of him as a favorite, but if he has to rely on having a more solid fanbase than Ada to beat her with Dante in the poll already sucking in lots of votes then I'm going to consider Ammy the most proven.


It'll be worth mentioning for next round that Ada's the only character with games not just on the PS2. Good luck Balthier.
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BDawg | Posted 9/25/2007 9:55:33 PM | message detail
Mmm yeah looks like Vivi/Ridley will be the closest match pretty soon.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/25/2007 9:55:39 PM | message detail
I dunno. I think Ada pulls it off. Her prediction % is a pretty clear indicator of what the casuals want.

augh why have people forgotten about alphabetical order already
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transience | Posted 9/25/2007 10:01:21 PM | message detail
yeah, I'm taking Amaterasu for last as well. my reasoning? I don't have any.

but... that GOTY poll is screaming at me, even if it's already proven to be completely unreliable.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/25/2007 10:05:06 PM | message detail
Side-note for Ulti if he reads this:

Ulti, as I've read over the 500-topic, I want to know if we can get an explanation on each of the mod-rulings about the stats topics.
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wavedash101 | Posted 9/25/2007 10:05:35 PM | message detail
Go Leon
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/25/2007 10:08:01 PM | message detail
Damn it EffDee, you taking Vivi today means hochi is back at #1, and by my count will be making his stat topic comeback sometime today.

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Gaddswell | Posted 9/25/2007 10:08:34 PM | message detail
Vivi finally seems to be recovering a bit. That earlier was quite a drop.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/25/2007 10:08:55 PM | message detail
It's not her first place percentage so much as her total percentage.

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/25/2007 10:12:04 PM | message detail
I don't blame anybody for not having a lot of faith in Ammy...and I don't either. Ada's the most likely favorite, but Ammy already getting 23% on Dante should stand for something considering Ada's performance last year and Balthier's performance yesterday. Ada could be stronger, Ammy may be misleading, and/or Balthier's fanbase may be more loyal...but I don't think Ammy's out of the running -- I'm taking that pretty tiger-lion-art-creature over Balthier next round regardless of what happens with Ada.
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ZFS | Posted 9/25/2007 10:14:03 PM | message detail
...I'll remain doubtful of Balthier's chances next round. I know nobody's thinking of him as a favorite, but if he has to rely on having a more solid fanbase than Ada to beat her with Dante in the poll already sucking in lots of votes then I'm going to consider Ammy the most proven.

Well, I believe Balthier's undoubtedly stronger than Amaterasu one-on-one, and I have a very hard time believing that she has more of a following on GameFAQs than Balthier would. Outside of Balthier underperforming expectations, there's little reason to suspect that Amaterasu is up to the task of beating out a Final Fantasy character. Let's get real here -- she came in second ahead of the likes of Little Mac and Matt the Mii. That's not proven.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/25/2007 10:15:09 PM | message detail
Amatasdsersau got 23% on Dante with Little Mac and Matt in the poll. Throw in decently strengthed characters and I'll be surprised if she breaks 15% in round 2.

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/25/2007 10:22:44 PM | message detail
Balthier was the heavy board-favorite who got 33% with Ada Wong, Frank West, and Jade Curtiss...and still took second place.


I'll take Ammy's under-dog'd 23% with Dante/Mac/Matt over that. Dante smokes every one of them, and I'd take Mac to fight with Frank while taking Mac or Matt to pummel (haw haw) Jade. Ammy would hold up well enough to Ada or Balthier, though head-to-head I wouldn't take Ammy over either of them. Still, I want to see the loyalty of the Okami fanbase behind Amster.
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transience | Posted 9/25/2007 10:24:12 PM | message detail
put Ridley in Dante's fourpack in place of Little Mac -- who wins that thing?
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/25/2007 10:27:37 PM | message detail
Also, since you said "Throw in decently strengthed characters and I'll be surprised if she breaks 15% in round 2."...if you were to put Ada in, say, Agent 47's place before the contest, how many people would have taken her to even beat Kratos Aurion? Kratos took third place with 21% in a poll that Scorpion won. Forgive me for being skeptic about Balthier doing well next round.

Ada may just be impressive this year, but I want to see it first.
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Keno316 | Posted 9/25/2007 10:30:21 PM | message detail
Ammy beating Balthier next round would make my contest...
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/25/2007 10:31:19 PM | message detail
I'd roll with Dante > Ridley in that situation -- I've got Leon > Dante and Ridley's considerably more well-known than Ammy or Matt. It'd be up for grabs, but I'd take Ridley (screw Matt leeching off of him!).
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transience | Posted 9/25/2007 10:32:32 PM | message detail
put Ada in Midna's place and I take Scorpion > Kratos there. I'm just not convinced on Ada... we'll see.

Ada is clearly the same pick there. I'm just not confident in her and don't mind rolling the dice. it's Ada freaking Wong.
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transience | Posted 9/25/2007 10:35:54 PM | message detail
I'd roll with Dante > Ridley in that situation -- I've got Leon > Dante and Ridley's considerably more well-known than Ammy or Matt. It'd be up for grabs, but I'd take Ridley (screw Matt leeching off of him!).

yeah, I would too. Leon's putting up big numbers despite a guy who I would take for second in Dante's pack AND Vivi, who I think is a legit midcarder. Leon > Dante looks damn good directly -- we'll see what happens otherwise (ie Ada). Leon/Dante and Crono/Vincent in probably the same week is an awesome contest.

Ridley's folding right now though, and Vivi's picking up some votes. Ridley sure seemed like a first-hour guy in 2005, and he's looking like it again.
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transience | Posted 9/25/2007 10:38:53 PM | message detail
bam -- 40%.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/25/2007 10:39:27 PM | message detail
Knew I was feeling confident in Leon for a reason.
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Gaddswell | Posted 9/25/2007 10:42:38 PM | message detail
Leon finally hits 40%!

I'm surprised Spyro's doing so horribly here considering Crash did so well. Then again, Jak didn't preform so hot either. Was Crash hated a lot back then?
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/25/2007 10:46:52 PM | message detail
Right, but if you would take Kratos > Ada in Scorpion's match then -- considering she replaces Midna instead of Agent 47 -- she gets about...I'm going to guess 22%. Dante >> Sub-Zero, and Ammy already landed 23% on him with Mac and Matt in the match. I trust that Ada and Balthier are decently stronger than those two, but if our idea that Ada couldn't have beaten Kratos Aurion in Scorpion's match is right, then I just don't see how Ammy doesn't already have a larger advantage than we're giving credit for.


I cannot believe I'm arguing for Ameratasu (trying to spell it without looking, shut up!) being an unrespected underdog to advance into Round Three past the favorite of Ada Wong.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/25/2007 10:51:02 PM | message detail
Didn't mean to put in the second > in "Dante >> Sub-Zero"...though I think there should be more than one whole > as well!

>xone.five o yea
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transience | Posted 9/25/2007 10:55:33 PM | message detail
well, I look at it differently.. I think it's just really difficult to get above 50% in a poll. I just started my writeup for the Kirby match, and Kirby should utterly dominate his pack.. yet there's no way I'm going for 60% there. your name better be "Cloud" or "Link" or I'm not expecting that kind of domination -- I don't care what it's against.

Amaterasu getting 22% isn't THAT impressive. not yet - not until I see her beat something not named Little Mac and Matt. she's impressed me before, but both of those guys had reasons to bomb. does Amaterasu get 31% or whatever Balthier got in the Ada Wong match? I'm skeptical.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/25/2007 11:00:06 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sceptical of Balthier, too. He pulled in a third of the vote with one of the fodderiest characters in the contest, another fodder character, and lost by over 5% to someone who barely broke 20% on Samus. Additionally, there's nothing to indicate his fanbase is any more dedicated than Ada's or Ammy's. In fact, I'd argue the opposite, since Final Fantasy XII's playerbase is probably on par with Resident Evil 4's and vastly superior to Okami's, yet he still lost fairly considerably to a minor RE4 character. If you're compressing percentages (and I expect all three to be in the 18-22% range, with Dante around 40%), I don't see why you'd expect Ada to lose significantly more than Balthier. And Ammy could be the type of character who would struggle to get high percentages but should be able to maintain low ones - which is what she'd need to be to take 2nd. Or she could have just got a lot of apathy votes due to her awesome artwork, which would be diminished with Ada and Balthier taking the place of Mac and Matt.

On the subject of what Ada in the 3rd round means for Leon: tranny brought up placing Ridley in Dante's 4-pack, and I think he has a great shot of winning there. Leon's got a much stronger 4-pack than Dante and he's looking to finish on top of 40%, which is pretty impressive. So that means that Ada > Leon > Dante people could decide the third round match...I guess you have to ask yourself how likely you think Ada > Leon > Dante is versus Ada > Dante > Leon. Given the nature of Resident Evil 4 and Devil May Cry I don't think the first is significantly more likely to occur than the second, and that cuts down the amount of leeching Ada would do. On the flip side, I think both Leon > Ada > others and Dante > Ada > others is pretty likely, so I think Ada will get SFF'd pretty hard by both of the gun toting, one-liner spouting Capcom badasses. So I don't think Ada will kill Leon unless the match is really close...I'd expect the fourth character to benefit the most from it.

And a bit on that fourth character - Vivi's not looking too hot here. It's hard to judge exactly where Leon and Pikachu land, so it's tough to say how much stronger Vivi is than Pikachu in a one on one, but I don't think this is a particularly good sign. I suppose you can salvage this by saying that we have some evidence that Old Square and New Square don't SFF each other, or, judging by votals, even leech each other (see: FFVII/CT with the highest votals of that contest). But I don't even know if Vivi acts like Old Square or not - one one hand, he didn't get SFF'd by Sephiroth (probably), on the other he doesn't have FFVI or CT's horrible day vote. So I'm not sure what Tidus can do to him.

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Draco1214 | Posted 9/25/2007 11:03:02 PM | message detail
Hmmmm...I don't know if this has ever been mentioned but Sub-Zero has a really good shot at surviving his division. Aeris (Sora?) and Squall can split the vote to let him through.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/25/2007 11:03:37 PM | message detail
Probably not reaching 33%, no, but there's also a lot more votes to go around there than their match in Round Two. I agree Mac and Matt aren't much, but I am cautious about thinking Okami fans are going to budge for either one of those two.
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Buzzup | Posted 9/25/2007 11:07:33 PM | message detail
Sub-Zero won't even get there, he'll job in round 2 to the man with the most hardcore fanbase of alle hardcore fanbases, Gordon Freeman!
transience | Posted 9/25/2007 11:07:41 PM | message detail
have you played FF12, RPGuy? Balthier is quite the fan-favourite within the game - I think the problem here is that people are fairly apathetic about the game itself. I don't think it has the playership that we expected prior. I think the polls it won were a lot of franchise voting. I think KH2 is actually more popular than FF12 is.

I certainly think his fanbase likes him more than the RE4 fanbase likes Ada. the RE4 fanbase is certainly larger than the FF12 fanbase, but I wonder how likely they are to stick with their guy. we've already seen them abandon her once.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/25/2007 11:11:00 PM | message detail
I think KH2 is actually more popular than FF12 is.

I FEEL SOMEWHAT MORE JUSTIFIED FROM MY GOTY-PREDICTIONS NOW YAY
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voltch | Posted 9/25/2007 11:13:28 PM | message detail
FACT OR FICTION:If we had seedings in this contest people would have picked differently,subconcsiously as well.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/25/2007 11:19:25 PM | message detail
I'm ~64 hours into FFXII, mostly due to hunting. I expected better out of Balthier, as did nearly all of us. And apathy towards the game is no excuse - I think a lot of people on GameFAQs have played it, they just don't like/don't care about it. But apathy towards the game doesn't preclude them from liking the character - Dante's actually a pretty good example of that, judging from the Series contest. I think Balthier just isn't as popular as we thought he would be even within the Final Fantasy XII fanbase. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that's happened - we've come to expect Auron > Tidus situations, but they're probably still special cases.
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