GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 497
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/24/2007 8:40:12 AM | message detail |
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I see no way that Amatsesrserseru makes round 3. You may think I'm crazy, but I have a feeling this is more Ada's strength than Balthier's weakness. Why did the new Zelda and Final Fantasy characters bomb so bad? This makes no sense whatsoever. TuRtLe ~~~ 63/84 in the contest. Next pick: Han Solo > Ada Wang BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| Keno316 | Posted 9/24/2007 8:44:45 AM | message detail |
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This just proves timelessness is a powerful factor on its own. Noble Nine are Eternal! --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB *Claims KG's Eclair, C.C. & Tear Grants* |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/24/2007 8:47:14 AM | message detail |
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This isn't THAT surprising... while I was putting heavy money on the
other end of the spectrum, this is exactly what is meant by a wide
range. Balthier has regrettably fallen into the lower echelon of his
range, into fodder territory. What is the reason for this? Personally, I go with FFXII having FFVI-syndrome - an ensemble cast that doesn't create a single character that people can universally rally around. Balthier happens to be to FFXII what Kefka is to FFVI - the consensus fan-favorite, but not able to capitalize on the strength of the game in nearly the same way a proper protagonist would. ...now factor in that FFXII is several light years less popular than FFVI, and you have your disparity. Midna suffers from much of the same... functionally, she's just a Zelda side character from ONE Zelda. And Twilight Princess hasn't sold me on its popularity - it's just too new to have the presence the more classic games have. ...and more importantly, its performance on FFXII (and GeoW) doesn't seem NEARLY as impressive considering what that competition has shown since then. --- Samus 2K5 is horribly underrated, and is indirectly stronger than Mario. KHF sucks and never existed either, much like my package. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/24/2007 8:47:28 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, all the good timelessness did for Kefka, or Mac. TuRtLe ~~~ 63/84 in the contest. Next pick: Han Solo > Ada Wang BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| Keno316 | Posted 9/24/2007 8:47:59 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, all the good timelessness did for Kefka, or Mac. They sleep beyond the flow of time. --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB *Claims KG's Eclair, C.C. & Tear Grants* |
| Samurai7 | Posted 9/24/2007 8:57:26 AM | message detail |
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Ada being in the same poll as Leon will just make him do better. --- Conformity and rebellion...both ways are simple-minded--they are only for people who cannot cope with contradiction and ambiguity. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/24/2007 9:01:43 AM | message detail |
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Ada being in the same poll as Leon will just make him do better. Why do people think this...? Unless Leon decisively gets an advantage with Ada that would differentiate from a more neutral party (say, Amaterasu), he's more liable to be hurt by her presence and the splitting of the RE4 fanbase than helped. While it's certainly not impossible for him to get that kind of a SFF advantage, I find it highly unlikely - especially considering that Ada is so weak already. And even if that were the case... her presence is presumably in absence of the once-favorite Balthier, who has just as much reason to hurt Leon's competition as Ada does to 'help' Leon. --- Samus 2K5 is horribly underrated, and is indirectly stronger than Mario. KHF sucks and never existed either, much like my package. |
| Samurai7 | Posted 9/24/2007 9:05:26 AM | message detail |
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Why do people think this...? Unless Leon decisively gets an
advantage with Ada that would differentiate from a more neutral party
(say, Amaterasu), he's more liable to be hurt by her presence and the
splitting of the RE4 fanbase than helped. While it's certainly not
impossible for him to get that kind of a SFF advantage, I find it
highly unlikely - especially considering that Ada is so weak already.
And even if that were the case... her presence is presumably in absence
of the once-favorite Balthier, who has just as much reason to hurt
Leon's competition as Ada does to 'help' Leon. Ada and Leon get their popularity from the EXACT SAME GAME (RE2 be damned). He'll SFF her in to oblivion. --- Conformity and rebellion...both ways are simple-minded--they are only for people who cannot cope with contradiction and ambiguity. |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/24/2007 9:07:06 AM | message detail |
| Yeah, that's the double-edged sword that is this
whole "help or hurt" theory. It's not illogical to assume that Ada
could "help" Leon, but one can also surmise that a more neutral
character (Balthier, Amaterasu, Marcus Fenix, etc) would hurt his
opponents more. And Jade is a guy? *sigh* |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/24/2007 9:08:45 AM | message detail |
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Ada and Leon get their popularity from the EXACT SAME GAME (RE2 be damned). He'll SFF her in to oblivion. ...so reading comprehension isn't exactly your strength, I see. Maybe I should put it another way - Leon and Ada may split and dilute their fanbase because THAT'S WHAT SAME FANBASE FACTOR MEANS --- Samus 2K5 is horribly underrated, and is indirectly stronger than Mario. KHF sucks and never existed either, much like my package. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/24/2007 9:10:26 AM | message detail |
| I MEAN DAMN DID YOU EVEN READ MY PARAGRAPH YOU
COULD HAVE AT LEAST TYPED A DIFFERENT RESPONSE SOME KIND OF REBUTTAL
GEEZ STOP TALKING ...what? --- Samus 2K5 is horribly underrated, and is indirectly stronger than Mario. KHF sucks and never existed either, much like my package. |
| Kaxon | Posted 9/24/2007 9:11:05 AM | message detail |
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From: greatone10 | Posted: 9/24/2007 1:49:13 AM | Message Detail | #383 Freeman's practically in this fourpack as it is. Frank West and Jade Curtiss even sound like Freeman opponents. --- R.I.P. Robert Jordan, 1948-2007 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/24/2007 9:13:02 AM | message detail |
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Like I said the last time somebody tried to pull the "SFF helps" theory, look at it this way. You have Leon, Vivi and Dante in a poll. For the sake of argument, they all get 33%. Throw in a fourth character, they will steal percentage from everybody. Make that fourth character Ada, suddenly she steals the majority of the percentage she gets from Leon. SFF DOES NOT HELP YOU AT ALL IN THESE POLLS! Adding a character who shares a fanbase with another character just ensure that instead of taking percentage from everyone equally, you're taking the majority of it from the one character who's fanbase you share. TuRtLe ~~~ 63/84 in the contest. Next pick: Han Solo > Ada Wang BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| Lady Ashe | Posted 9/24/2007 9:14:01 AM | message detail |
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But BT, who would vote Ada over Leon?!?! That's pretty much the logic behind SFF helping. <_< ~~~ Ashe. The Cream of Final Fantasy Fanboyism. http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/9855-550x-contra-poster-2-dsf.jpg |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/24/2007 9:15:33 AM | message detail |
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Frank West and Jade Curtiss even sound like Freeman opponents. XD, so true. Ah, Gordon Freeman, one of shiniest beacons of contest light there ever was. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/24/2007 9:15:43 AM | message detail |
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It may be a small amount, but there are a good number of people who
would vote Ada over Leon, and most of them would have voted for Leon
had Ada not been in the poll. TuRtLe ~~~ 63/84 in the contest. Next pick: Han Solo > Ada Wang BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/24/2007 9:19:05 AM | message detail |
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Another way to look at it is the Battle Royale last year. Link SFF'd the utter and absolute crap out of Mario and Samus, yet as the percentage showed, Link was helped on the days they were removed from the poll. Had it been Mega Man/Sonic instead of Samus/Mario, Link would have broken 40% on the first day. TuRtLe ~~~ 63/84 in the contest. Next pick: Han Solo > Ada Wang BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/24/2007 9:22:38 AM | message detail |
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And I can't believe we didn't notice this before, but Snake had almost
the exact same vote total the first 2 days of the Battle Royale,
despite everybody but Link losing votes. No wonder MGS characters have
been impressing (aside from lol raiden) TuRtLe ~~~ 63/84 in the contest. Next pick: Han Solo > Ada Wang BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| JustForFun1988 | Posted 9/24/2007 9:30:44 AM | message detail |
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Seriously, many people still don't know how SFF works in this format. Bowser SFF Toad to hell and yet Bowser lost badly to Ryu due to Toad leeching votes off Bowser. Rikku SFF Vaan by a large margin and yet she lost to Knuckles because Vaan is sharing the fanbase vote with her. If Vaan was replaced by a neutral that does not have too much of a relation with Yoshi, Knuckles and Rikku, Rikku would have won against Knuckles. BTW, 12% voted for Ganondorf against Link so i can a small group of people voting for Ada instead of Leon. These people just have different taste. --- Proud Supporter of Solid Snake, Dante and Ryu. Alt Account of someone who is lame and stupid |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/24/2007 10:23:38 AM | message detail |
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BT, HOW many times is it going to take for you to learn that the
argument isn't if you start with 3 people, and add one person it's not
going to hurt them. Everyone knows that would hurt them, we're not
morons. The argument IS, if you had a 4 way poll, it helps them when compared to any random characters, because they are hurt less due to their ability to SFF. Now, that's still debatable, but stop acting like a jackass, like that's impossible. I know it's been explained to you at least 5 times. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| MnMZero | Posted 9/24/2007 10:48:45 AM | message detail |
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Midna suffers from much of the same... functionally, she's just a
Zelda side character from ONE Zelda. And Twilight Princess hasn't sold
me on its popularity - it's just too new to have the presence the more
classic games have. I don't know why you'd classify Midna as "suffering". I thought she did rather well actually. People just had way too high expectations for her. You can't just raise your hand and instantly be a high midcarder no matter what series you come from. It's even harder if you're not the main playable character in the game. Plus people were taking Tingle's value against Sora a bit too seriously in judging that Midna HAD to be at a certain level if Tingle got X amount. Of course, seeing how Tingle bombed make Midna look better in that she actually did do okay. Scorpion was never a slouch to begin with... --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| MnMZero | Posted 9/24/2007 10:55:06 AM | message detail |
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Ada and Leon get their popularity from the EXACT SAME GAME (RE2 be damned). He'll SFF her in to oblivion. Just because they come from the same game doesn't mean that ALL RE fans like Leon better than Ada. I'd easily vote for Ada over Leon and I don't find that strange at all. He may be the strongest representative from the serious, but he definitely doesn't have a grasp over the series like someone like Link does. Just because Leon is stronger, it doesn't mean he should automatically SFF her to the ground. I actually don't think the disparity between them will differ from their actual indirect strength, were they to meet up. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| consolefreak | Posted 9/24/2007 10:58:02 AM | message detail |
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But BT, who would vote Ada over Leon?!?! That's pretty much the logic behind SFF helping. <_< Ada's going to steal more votes from non-RE characters than she would from RE characters? How? There are a million ways to disprove this 'logic', but there is no explanation required; just look at the matches. Does anyone really think Rikku would not have won if Vaan would've been replaced with Tails? Does anyone actually believe Ryu legitimately beats Bowser? It doesn't matter to what degree there is SFF, the advantage/disadvantage is proportional. --- 67/84. Today : Balthier > Ada (Balthier) *One_Winged_Ange* |
| Lady Ashe | Posted 9/24/2007 11:01:50 AM | message detail |
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Hey, don't yell at me. D: I disagree with the theory. That's why I overused the punctuation. <_< Anyway, it's nearly time. How do people think this one will go? No room for lead changes, but it would still be nice to see Balthier make up some ground with the ASV. =/ ~~~ Ashe. The Cream of Final Fantasy Fanboyism. http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/9855-550x-contra-poster-2-dsf.jpg |
| MnMZero | Posted 9/24/2007 11:06:17 AM | message detail |
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I'm not looking for Balthier to do too much with the ASV. He's not
doing terrible by all means. It's just Ada is making him look bad. He's
still in striking distance for next round goes. Next round ought to be
pretty interesting since we get to observe how characters hold up
amongst stronger competition. Besides obvious SFF situations, the
stronger character might not always go on to round 3. At least that's
what I'm hoping happens sometime next round. I'd hate for the rest of
the bracket to be cookie cutter based off of the first round... --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| transience | Posted 9/24/2007 12:01:05 PM | message detail |
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I don't think Balthier will do much with the after school vote, but if he keeps it within 3000, I liks his chances in round 2. --- ZFStix: nin nin nin ima ninja!!! nin nin nin XD ZFStix: kill it |
| swirIdude | Posted 9/24/2007 12:02:11 PM | message detail |
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My bracket likes his chances too. My bracket is a moron though. --- http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2931/ivotededgeworthck7.png |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/24/2007 12:03:38 PM | message detail |
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If that last update is any indication though, Balthier may just get buried by Ada in the afterschool vote after all... --- Samus 2K5 is horribly underrated, and is indirectly stronger than Mario. KHF sucks and never existed either, much like my package. |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/24/2007 12:09:18 PM | message detail |
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Balthier dropped like a rock those last two updates. ASV looks like it might make him look even worse. --- Demyx is better than Axel. I don't like Haley Scarnato |
| transience | Posted 9/24/2007 12:11:19 PM | message detail |
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yeah.. we're in trouble here. man, what a bomb. --- ZFStix: nin nin nin ima ninja!!! nin nin nin XD ZFStix: kill it |
| swirIdude | Posted 9/24/2007 12:12:32 PM | message detail |
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It's as people say, kiddies love the M rated gore fests! --- http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2931/ivotededgeworthck7.png |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/24/2007 12:13:45 PM | message detail |
| FF12 suffers from being FF9 more than FF6. It's
popular, but it's at the tail end of a system's life span and isn't
getting half the attention it deserves. ~*ST*~ --- Petition for a system notification when a contribution is removed: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=37308859 |
| voltch | Posted 9/24/2007 12:23:08 PM | message detail |
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wow i figured i was gonna give this match a miss and then i see something very few predicted happening. balthier was this weak! i can understand him being lower than say auron but i figured he'd be near tidus at least. --- Rufus shinra destroyed my bracket in the sc2k6 contest. |
| Big Bob | Posted 9/24/2007 12:24:11 PM | message detail |
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I figured that Balthier would be the next Auron, so this is the match that utterly screws my chances. --- September 29th: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=38262325 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/24/2007 12:28:06 PM | message detail |
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That... may have been a 'scare' in the vein of HK-47/Lloyd, actually. Balthier isn't doing too shabbily now, considering. --- Samus 2K5 is horribly underrated, and is indirectly stronger than Mario. KHF sucks and never existed either, much like my package. |
| MnMZero | Posted 9/24/2007 12:29:15 PM | message detail |
| I always thought the Balthier = FFXII's Auron felt
a bit forced. Just from what generally get from people talking about
FFXII, it seems that it was more the other characters being subpar
rather than Balthier himself standing out. From looking at comments
from people playing the game, the first vibes I got were that none of
the characters really stood out, and Balthier seemed like the only
really likable character. Then that just rolled into the "Balthier =
FFXII's Auron" train. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| transience | Posted 9/24/2007 12:34:39 PM | message detail |
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well, you could say the same thing about FF10 - Auron is written to be superior to everyone else. the same is true of Balthier. --- ZFStix: nin nin nin ima ninja!!! nin nin nin XD ZFStix: kill it |
| MnMZero | Posted 9/24/2007 12:38:59 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, but people still seemed to like the FFX crew outside of Kimahri.
Auron just stood out that much more from that pack. The notion I got
from FFXII is that Balthier seemed like the only character that WAS
likable. So yeah, he has that distance from the rest of his cast, but
it doesn't mean that he himself is a really popular character. Again,
this is just from an outsider's viewpoint. I can't really comment on
him until I play the game. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| Samurai7 | Posted 9/24/2007 12:46:41 PM | message detail |
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Ok, so leon vivi and dk are all in the poll and they all get 33% even. You throw in a character thats even strength to Ada ignoring SFF. Say she gets 21% so thats 7% from each of them. (Since we're ignoring SFF) Leon - 26 % DK - 26 % Vivi - 26 % Ada - 21 % Now. We'll adjust the numbers ignoring SFF advantage and just assume she takes 50% of her 21 from leon. Leon - 22.5 % DK - 27.25 % Vivi - 27.25 % Ada - 21 % This is how a shared fanbase would hurt Leon. Theoretically they share the same fanbase so most of the votes she'd gain would come from him. But suppose he can SFF 50% of those votes away from Ada? Seriously, who would vote Ada over Leon? Leon - 33% DK - 27.25% Vivi - 27.25% Ada- 10.5% As long as the amount he can SFF is proportional to the amount that the fanbase splits he'll benefit. Hell, looking at it in this example he'd only need to SFF 22% compared to how the fanbase split to do it. So even if you think Ada only getting 50% of her strength from the exact same pool Leon is low theres a lot of room to work with if you boost that number up. --- Conformity and rebellion...both ways are simple-minded--they are only for people who cannot cope with contradiction and ambiguity. |
| Lady Ashe | Posted 9/24/2007 12:48:18 PM | message detail |
| If Balthier were in FFX, people would still feel
the same way about him. (Ignoring the fact that his personality doesn't
really fit with the FFX world) ~~~ Ashe. The Cream of Final Fantasy Fanboyism. http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/9855-550x-contra-poster-2-dsf.jpg |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/24/2007 12:52:11 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, but people still seemed to like the FFX crew outside of Kimahri. ...not really. FFX's cast wasn't well-liked at all, especially shortly after the game came out. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| TexasAggie | Posted 9/24/2007 12:55:24 PM | message detail |
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This is my first time to miss consecutive matches. Tidus>Pikachu and Leon>Vivi better pan out. --- Contest pts: 70 (leaderboard position #7) Today: Balthier>Ada Wong |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 9/24/2007 12:55:27 PM | message detail |
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Only by you. --- caps |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/24/2007 12:58:56 PM | message detail |
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I don't know about that. Tidus hate especially was pretty widespread,
and even Yuna didn't account to much on GameFAQs until FFX-2 came out. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 9/24/2007 1:01:16 PM | message detail |
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At the rate this division is going, I wouldn't be surprised to see Pika > Tidus. I won't mention Leon/Vivi, since that's close enough as it is. --- Moltar Status: The Analysis Crew...believe Ada/Balthier/Frank/Jade - Bracket: Balthier > Ada - Vote: Ada (71/84) |
| Lady Ashe | Posted 9/24/2007 1:03:42 PM | message detail |
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If either Tidus > Pika or Vivi > Leon don't happen I will hurt myself for failing so many back to back matches. =/ It's like I just stopped trying for the bottom half of the bracket. D: So uh, how long was the MC/Yuna bet for anyway? It's getting boring without What'sHisFace around. =/ ~~~ Ashe. The Cream of Final Fantasy Fanboyism. http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/9855-550x-contra-poster-2-dsf.jpg |
| TexasAggie | Posted 9/24/2007 1:07:10 PM | message detail |
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I tie hochiminh if Tidus>Pika pans out. --- Contest pts: 70 (leaderboard position #7) Today: Balthier>Ada Wong |
| swirIdude | Posted 9/24/2007 1:13:17 PM | message detail |
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I think it was 5 days...which means...tomorrow he's back, I think. Just in time to wear his new "I picked Tidus > Isaac so I suck" sig proudly! By the way, I'm opening nominations for his new sig...anyone got ideas? --- http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2931/ivotededgeworthck7.png |
| MnMZero | Posted 9/24/2007 1:17:59 PM | message detail |
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...not really. FFX's cast wasn't well-liked at all, especially shortly after the game came out. I'm not saying they were universally liked, but they still have their share of fans amongst their haters. Tidus woudn't have been able to go toe to toe with Ganondorf if he was as hated as people seemed to make him appear to be. I'm just saying in contrast, I'm not seeing the FFXII cast get any love at all. No love/hate, just oodles and oodles of "meh". --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/24/2007 1:19:47 PM | message detail |
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Balthier has real, legitimate fans. it's just that FF12 is a fraction
of FF10's popularity on this website. pretty much everyone that plays
FF12 likes Balthier. --- xyzzy character battle vi score: 56/68 |
