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SonicRaptor | Posted 9/22/2007 10:55:49 PM | message detail
Matt was always fodder, regardless of what Board 8 thought.
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Mumei | Posted 9/22/2007 10:56:02 PM | message detail
The only people I recall even talking about Okami are... me, oli, PartOfYourWorld (or something like that), WVI, KH, and maybe Chich when he was complaining about things he disliked about it.

And that was only for a few months, tops, after the release last September.

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/22/2007 10:57:07 PM | message detail
Holy **** at Liquid/Alucard...

...THROUGH THIS ARM!!!

I imagine I'm one of the few people on the board that, despite not having Liquid advance, still got two points out of the ordeal. Awesome. We also finally get the MC/Liquid "match" that we wanted since 2k4. Double-awesome.



As for today's match...goddammit Matt. I am not surprised...but it sucks.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/22/2007 10:57:33 PM | message detail
Ammy looks 300x better than every other character in this match.

I mean...damn. That's an awesome picture.


The artistic appeal of Okami is unparalleled. That's something I'd just factor directly into Ammy's strength, I have no idea how you could get a bad picture of her.

...now that doesn't explain why Dante got shafted here, but maybe SB is saving the good pics for the rounds that matter...
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Mumei | Posted 9/22/2007 10:59:17 PM | message detail
So, can I pretend that Ammy is suffering Capcom SFF and is actually stronger indirectly? <_<

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ZFS | Posted 9/22/2007 11:01:58 PM | message detail
The competition here is pretty terrible, but man, Amaterasu? Really? Ah, well!

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JaKyL25 | Posted 9/22/2007 11:02:02 PM | message detail
Matt was always fodder, regardless of what Board 8 thought.

I still think he could beat Mac with a better pick and classification as being from Wii Sports, but yeah, there's no way he could have taken Amaterasu.

Could someone explain why she ISN'T Wander 2.0? Is it because you hear/see her name in the actual game?
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Keno316 | Posted 9/22/2007 11:02:22 PM | message detail
What's wrong with Ammy?
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Mumei | Posted 9/22/2007 11:03:41 PM | message detail
Could someone explain why she ISN'T Wander 2.0? Is it because you hear/see her name in the actual game?

Mostly.

Still a cult-y character, but her name is shown many, many times.

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ZFS | Posted 9/22/2007 11:03:46 PM | message detail
That nickname for one!

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/22/2007 11:04:25 PM | message detail
Could someone explain why she ISN'T Wander 2.0? Is it because you hear/see her name in the actual game?

That's the only thing I can think of. You hear/see her name a LOT (though much of the time it's just shortened to 'Ammy'), but even so this is impressive. Her being the face of her game and having a picture galaxies better than Wander may have helped as well...
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 9/22/2007 11:09:37 PM | message detail
Why is Yuna being questioned as number two next round? Would you really only take her to overtake Ness 27-25 in yesterdays match? I don't know about you, but barely only beating Ness by 2% shouldn't put you on par with Yuna.

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ZFS | Posted 9/22/2007 11:09:58 PM | message detail
Could someone explain why she ISN'T Wander 2.0?

Well, I think it'd be hard to ever find a Wander 2.0. That guy has way too much going against him -- poor design, lack of a name outside of the credits, doesn't do anything particularly cool in the game, etc. Based entirely on the visual design, I'd take Amaterasu to do significantly better than Wander one-on-one or otherwise, and this was pre-match, not an after-the-fact deal. That said, I'd take Shadow of the Colossus over Okami all day.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/22/2007 11:10:01 PM | message detail
And not like it needs to be said, but unless Mac has some day vote magic in him (he's technically Nintendo so it's *possible*, but the old-school factor would indicate the opposite), he's WAY finished. The best he can do is stall and Ammy's gonna be well over 1000 votes before too long.

Awesome. :)
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ZFS | Posted 9/22/2007 11:11:26 PM | message detail
aww yeah agree with ec

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Mumei | Posted 9/22/2007 11:11:45 PM | message detail
Ammy's a great nickname for those who are incapable of spelling Amaterasu. =)

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JaKyL25 | Posted 9/22/2007 11:12:18 PM | message detail
Based on Alucard and Liquid's performances, I don't see why anyone's doubting Yuna.

MC will blow them all out, but Yuna should be in second by a margin that's never in doubt.

Of course, then we get the epid LS/Alucard rematch for 3rd place. Then we can TRULY test FF/MGS SFF. Or does MC stealing Alucards X-Box Live Arcade vote counter that?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/22/2007 11:12:19 PM | message detail
Why is Yuna being questioned as number two next round? Would you really only take her to overtake Ness 27-25 in yesterdays match? I don't know about you, but barely only beating Ness by 2% shouldn't put you on par with Yuna.

And until two days ago, I would have argued that being blown out by Master Chief is even worse.

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JaKyL25 | Posted 9/22/2007 11:14:48 PM | message detail
Of course, then we get the epid LS/Alucard rematch for 3rd place.

LOL, that's a typo, but I like the word I just invented there, and it fits. It will be epic but tepid. Epid.
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Mumei | Posted 9/22/2007 11:15:06 PM | message detail
God, why can't I find any of the awesome Ammy pictures online?

Especially the Solar Flare weapon art. :(

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/22/2007 11:16:09 PM | message detail
Why is Yuna being questioned as number two next round? Would you really only take her to overtake Ness 27-25 in yesterdays match? I don't know about you, but barely only beating Ness by 2% shouldn't put you on par with Yuna.

Ness was in a privileged position anyway -- only Nintendo character in a poll with three other PS1 stars. Not that it helped him a lot, but it's hard to argue for Ness to beat either Alucard or Liquid one-on-one. Yuna could beat Ness worse than that...but so could Liquid or Alucard.
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thok | Posted 9/22/2007 11:18:09 PM | message detail
Amaterasu apparently has generic anime character strength. Curious.

Who wins in Amaterasu versus Lloyd Irving?
Karma Hunter | Posted 9/22/2007 11:18:55 PM | message detail
And Jesus, Matt, I know people didn't expect much out of you especially after seeing that pic, but you got it fixed and you're STILL bleeding percentage.

I'm just gonna assume it's because people don't realize it's a Mii... and hope Barret never gets in so I can continue to believe in the excuses for CJ/Matt/uhuhuhdarnyoulackofblackvideogamecharacters
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JaKyL25 | Posted 9/22/2007 11:21:12 PM | message detail
Who wins in Amaterasu versus Lloyd Irving?

Lloyd, but I'd think about it. If it was a more popular ToS character, I wouldn't.

To be honest though, I'd wait to see Amaterasu's day vote today before I say that's final.
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 9/22/2007 11:24:03 PM | message detail
I wouldn't be so sure about that HaRR... Alucard just keeps looking crappier year after year, and it's not like Liquid exactly impressed the last time we saw him. It's not that I don't think they beat Ness... but even if you use Yuna's 2K5 value, which I'll argue to the death is underrated, but for right now you can use it at face value, and that's still stronger than I would ever give Liquid or Alucard. Add in any Ganon/Samus SFF you think happened, and then adjust for however far underadjusted Samus is (oh, how she is, just check out KH's sig!), it makes her look even better. Yes I'm aware the format is different in this, so anything is possible, but nothing from yesterday should make anyone feel any better about Liquid or Alucard over Yuna than they felt before the contest started.

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Just Some Person | Posted 9/22/2007 11:25:35 PM | message detail
Wait...did I miss an epic end to an epic match?

I read the topic, and apparently there was a huge push by Alucard at the end...and he still lost? And there's no topic by the management?

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/22/2007 11:26:40 PM | message detail
Alucard was leading by 17 going into the last update, and Liquid pulled one out of his ass to win by 3 (even thought it was more of Alucard dropping off but whatever).

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Just Some Person | Posted 9/22/2007 11:28:29 PM | message detail
Wow, 3 votes huh?

Sounded like a good time all around.

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/22/2007 11:30:58 PM | message detail
I don't mean to argue that Yuna isn't likely to get second next round or some such. I just wanted to point out that -- like Yuna if she had a typical and not unusual four-pack with Ness -- Liquid and Alucard would have likely beat Ness worse than 27-25 with a more diverse four-pack. This is coming from someone who had Ness > Alucard and defends Ness a lot, too.

I don't think she's gonna have a blow-out for second place, but I do think she firmly has it.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/22/2007 11:32:39 PM | message detail
My point is more of Alucard/Liquid did nothing so impressive yesterday that people should suddenly be questioning Yuna in that match. I mean most had Alucard > Ness to begin with, so now someone beats Alucard by 3, and they have a great shot at Yuna. Doesn't make sense to me.

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transience | Posted 9/22/2007 11:32:54 PM | message detail
so uh i hear the last match was close or something

also wtf amaterejfdshjahuiheuihsajasu
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/22/2007 11:33:46 PM | message detail
I'll agree to that, foot-massager.
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creativename | Posted 9/22/2007 11:36:42 PM | message detail
Harrich
I imagine I'm one of the few people on the board that, despite not having Liquid advance, still got two points out of the ordeal.

That's funny, because I'd actually consider Ness>Alucard to be clearly a worse pick than Alucard>Ness :)


In this match I actually have the wolf in my bracket, but that was just luck, this was a total coin flip between her and Little Mac. I iniitally had Matt and had some confidence in him, but changed that after thinking about it more (I realized he probably wouldn't be listed as "Matt the Mii", and hearing he was black). After his pic of course everyone knew he'd suck. I predicted 11% for him in the Oracle (surprisingly below most people), hopefully he doesn't go up during the day.


Mumei
Ammy's a great nickname for those who are incapable of spelling Amaterasu. =)

Why were we not informed of this nickname before the contest?? Would've saved some trouble :)


Jakyl
Based on Alucard and Liquid's performances, I don't see why anyone's doubting Yuna. MC will blow them all out, but Yuna should be in second by a margin that's never in doubt.

You're probably right that Yuna will win. But it's not a lock.

I figure Yuna's around the 25%ish range, maybe a little higher. Alucard's very likely below that now, but I think he could give her a run if he had any sort of format dynamic (split fanbase) working in his favor, but he doesn't.

Of course, then we get the epid LS/Alucard rematch for 3rd place. Then we can TRULY test FF/MGS SFF. Or does MC stealing Alucards X-Box Live Arcade vote counter that?

If any FF/MGS SFF existed, I don't see how it could benefit Yuna. Not only a female, not only not a badass, but not from the FF7/FF8 generation either.

Also I doubt Alucard has any truly notable XBox Live Arcade vote. Though XBox Live Arcade is awesome.


KH
And until two days ago, I would have argued that being blown out by Master Chief is even worse.

I wouldn't have said that. Though again, I probably have less respect for Ness than most here.

and hope Barret never gets in so I can continue to believe in the excuses for CJ/Matt/uhuhuhdarnyoulackofblackvideogamecharacters

Red XIII would be stronger than Barret I think.


Just Some Person
And there's no topic by the management?

With the confusing bracket and lack of auditing (or even communication about a cursory glance) and all that, I think the new management is a lot less in the direction of 'giving a crap' and 'bothering' than our old overlord ;) Still, it's been a great contest.
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transience | Posted 9/22/2007 11:37:50 PM | message detail
hmm, it looks like Mac is better than Amatuheurhejhfasu with the night vote.. he'll win some updates eventually. the question here is if Amatuheurhejhfasu is day vote material -- she'll probably be better than Mac given how old and dated he is, but I wonder if her trends aren't more PW-like.

still, damn impressive. this match was all wrapped up in my mind.
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creativename | Posted 9/22/2007 11:38:58 PM | message detail
Alucard was leading by 17 going into the last update, and Liquid pulled one out of his ass to win by 3 (even thought it was more of Alucard dropping off but whatever).

Seems like a classic case of Alucard ralliers/cheaters becoming overconfident and lazy in their moment of triumph!
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transience | Posted 9/22/2007 11:39:46 PM | message detail
oh, and I'm still baffled by the Matt picks. being a Mii doesn't mean that people will like you -- it means you're a joke.
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Xcarvengerx | Posted 9/22/2007 11:42:13 PM | message detail
transience: You can just type Ammy for Amaterasu, rather than Amatuheurhejhfasu... >_>
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/22/2007 11:43:10 PM | message detail
That's funny, because I'd actually consider Ness>Alucard to be clearly a worse pick than Alucard>Ness :)

Ha, and it apparently was, but Ness landed 25% in a very tough match so I remain somewhat-justified. It's a lot like when I had Bowser > Mewtwo and Mewtwo landed just shy of 25%.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/22/2007 11:43:56 PM | message detail
Also, though the format complicates things...would anybody take Ness > Mewtwo now?
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creativename | Posted 9/22/2007 11:45:03 PM | message detail
Speaking of Live Arcade and Symphony of the Night, my brother downloaded that game. Why are it's graphics so bad? They seem SNES quality to me, not PlayStation quality at all. The Alucard movement thing is cool, but the sprites and backgrounds are relatively poor, from what I've seen.

I'm sure SotN's a great, not trying to dis it, but was it originally supposed to be for SNES or something?


oh, and I'm still baffled by the Matt picks. being a Mii doesn't mean that people will like you -- it means you're a joke.

If this was one of the other (read: white) Miis, who was listed as "... The Mii", and had a profile Mii pic rather than a boxing one, I think they'd be doing a lot better.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/22/2007 11:46:30 PM | message detail
Uh...Mewtwo slaughters Ness. That might've been a tough match before the contest, but not now.

In fact, if Mewtwo was in Ness's place, he would've won that fourpack.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/22/2007 11:46:35 PM | message detail
Also, though the format complicates things...would anybody take Ness > Mewtwo now?

I want to meet the person that would. I love easy marks. <.<
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creativename | Posted 9/22/2007 11:47:01 PM | message detail
Also, though the format complicates things...would anybody take Ness > Mewtwo now?

No chance, Mewtwo wins easily.

Also I hope that Scorpion/Ness debate is over now. Scorpion is stronger than Liquid, I have almost no doubt.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/22/2007 11:47:23 PM | message detail
Why would you put Yuna at 25% on BL? Her value in 2K5 if anything, is underrated, and she's above 26%, and then add onto that, that crazy KH2F you bastards like to throw around, and she only has reason to be stronger. Putting Yuna at 25% just seems like crazy reasoning to try and justify her losing.

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creativename | Posted 9/22/2007 11:47:41 PM | message detail
In fact, if Mewtwo was in Ness's place, he would've won that fourpack.

Yup.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/22/2007 11:51:02 PM | message detail
Also I hope that Scorpion/Ness debate is over now. Scorpion is stronger than Liquid, I have almost no doubt.

I do want to wait a bit longer before I say Scorpion > Liquid (or Alucard). I'm not gonna go that far yet, but seeing how Ness -- while doing well -- missed a great opportunity, I wouldn't be surprised. I just wanna see them both in action again first.
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creativename | Posted 9/22/2007 11:51:59 PM | message detail
Why would you put Yuna at 25% on BL? Her value in 2K5 if anything, is underrated, and she's above 26%, and then add onto that, that crazy KH2F you bastards like to throw around, and she only has reason to be stronger. Putting Yuna at 25% just seems like crazy reasoning to try and justify her losing.

I never considered her higher than 26%-27% to begin with. Also her 2K5 value was 24%, and I doubt it'd be underrated by much.

Also I've never heard anyone discuss KH2F for anyone other than Auron (and of course the original KH characters themselves), and for Auron I've not seen anyone say it was at crazy levels. I didn't even know Yuna was in the game - I doubt it was a big role. She doesn't have the instant appeal of Auron anyway.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/22/2007 11:53:02 PM | message detail

I never considered her higher than 26%-27% to begin with. Also her 2K5 value was 24%, and I doubt it'd be underrated by much.


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voltch | Posted 9/22/2007 11:54:05 PM | message detail
3 votes?!
out of so many thousands of votes it went this close?
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creativename | Posted 9/22/2007 11:54:59 PM | message detail
I see you're using my BL values, so maybe that accounts for part of the discrepancy in our Yuna estimates. I don't really use BL values anymore. They may be better for year-to-year comparison, but the added confusion isn't worth it I think.
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