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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 491
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/19/2007 5:08:39 PM | message detail |
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-34% chance it'll happen. --- Kleenex - Now with an invigorating blast of citrus cherry flavor. CB6 - 48/64; Oracle - 34th |
| Lady Ashe | Posted 9/19/2007 5:10:14 PM | message detail |
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argh why does homunculus have to have a bracket so similar to mine i
want to overtake him but we've got a bunch of matches the same =/ ~~~ Ashe. The Cream of Final Fantasy Fanboyism. Embok. |
| andaca | Posted 9/19/2007 5:10:31 PM | message detail |
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Darn. I need to find out what I was smoking when I picked Ganondorf>Vivi. |
| Gaddswell | Posted 9/19/2007 5:11:22 PM | message detail |
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Just wait until Link > Cloud. You'll pass him then. --- Finally a damn bracket! http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png |
| Haste_2 | Posted 9/19/2007 5:12:52 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man did better on Arthas than Sephiroth did on Meta Knight...
Arthas has no excuse to do that poorly when Meta Knight had SFF to deal
with himself (I'm not saying that MK is a joke, but Sephiroth >>
Mega Man). Kerrigan didn't do so hot even given the four-way format (so
you can't just say a sole PC character will overperform). And, the
picture is not Arthas quality (granted, pictures may not matter so much
here). Disregarding the picture, I find Arthas to be cooler-looking
than Thrall from what I've seen. Thrall = a bust? No idea, honestly,
since I don't know crap about Thrall, aside from being in WoW, I think.
--- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/19/2007 5:13:43 PM | message detail |
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that's one dedicated fanbase though. neither pick is a bad one, let's put it that way. --- THE ORDER MATTERS?!?!?!?!?! "war uh ya what is it good for absulite nothing" -ertyu |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 9/19/2007 5:15:02 PM | message detail |
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Thrall's more of a Warcraft 3 character than a WoW character, just like Arthas, I think. You neglected to mention the possible SFF in Arthas's match though. Diablo being there can't have helped him. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 9/19/2007 5:16:21 PM | message detail |
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But Peach being in Meta-Knight's match certainly didn't help him.
(Though I think we can all agree BT was being an idiot (surprise!) when
he said Meta-Knight gets 30% on Seph if Peach is removed.) --- Mustache...and green... www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/19/2007 5:18:14 PM | message detail |
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Meta-Knight = Auron aw yeah --- THE ORDER MATTERS?!?!?!?!?! "war uh ya what is it good for absulite nothing" -ertyu |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 5:19:18 PM | message detail |
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Sephiroth may be stronger than Mega Man, but I'd take Diablo to smack
Peach down decisively as well. Arthas impressed, there's simply no way
to spin that. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 9/19/2007 5:19:29 PM | message detail |
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I think this discussion would matter more if Thrall's competition was
stronger. MK did better on Sephiroth than Arthas did on Mega Man quite
frankly because MK was surprisingly strong. I'd probably take him to
beat Thrall 1-on-1 after what I've seen. Luckily for Thrall, he doesn't have to beat anyone nearly as strong as MK to advance. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 5:20:25 PM | message detail |
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And of course, you're comparing a match where the fourth character was KOS-MOS to one where the fourth character was CATS. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/19/2007 5:20:30 PM | message detail |
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MK vs. Vergil is... arguable. I'd pick Meta-Knight and I'm sure most
people here would, but I doubt the actual difference is all that much. --- THE ORDER MATTERS?!?!?!?!?! "war uh ya what is it good for absulite nothing" -ertyu |
| emanresU weN | Posted 9/19/2007 5:20:31 PM | message detail |
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I don't know if this has been discussed or not (probably has) but do
you guys think that the announcement of the heavily rumored PS3 FFVII
game (whether it's a remake or not) will give FFVII characters a big
boost in strength this year? What about next year? --- This is The_Ocelot |
| Lady Ashe | Posted 9/19/2007 5:22:33 PM | message detail |
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No. No. Not until the game is released and the PS3 stops being a joke in the mind of the drones. =/ ~~~ Ashe. The Cream of Final Fantasy Fanboyism. Embok. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 5:22:39 PM | message detail |
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Remake = heavy FFVII character boost, about the only thing that will
get Cloud to beat Link again outside of maybe a SSBB appearance or
something Announcement of a Remake = gets the site a bit more traffic that may favor FFVII disproportionately, may matter in a nailbiter Rumor of an Announcement of a Remake = lol --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 9/19/2007 5:23:08 PM | message detail |
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Next year maybe, depending on when it comes out, but not this year. The announcement's appeal would largely be to FFVII's current voting block that already exists. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| emanresU weN | Posted 9/19/2007 5:23:43 PM | message detail |
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So maybe then by the time SC2K8 rolls around (ie the PS3 isn't a joke
and the game is closer to release) the characters will get a noticeable
increase. --- This is The_Ocelot |
| Haste_2 | Posted 9/19/2007 5:23:52 PM | message detail |
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Fox and Luigi will end up at about the same percentage. Pit has 18.54%.
Captain Falcon has 18.79%. Pit over Captain Falcon, anyone? --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/19/2007 5:24:18 PM | message detail |
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the announcement probably wouldn't matter. a trailer accompanying it? well, all bets are off. --- THE ORDER MATTERS?!?!?!?!?! "war uh ya what is it good for absulite nothing" -ertyu |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 5:25:03 PM | message detail |
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The announcement's appeal would largely be to FFVII's current voting block that already exists People have always used this argument. It NEVER works. FFVII's current voting block is already well over a supermajority of the site. The question is to ask - what will get them favoring FFVII over OTHER things that they currently like more? --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 9/19/2007 5:27:07 PM | message detail |
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Fox and Luigi will end up at about the same percentage. Pit has
18.54%. Captain Falcon has 18.79%. Pit over Captain Falcon, anyone? This question is largely moot, because practically from the day of SSBB's release I would say "Clearly, yes," but as for this very moment I'd still take the Captain. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| ZFS | Posted 9/19/2007 5:28:12 PM | message detail |
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If the FF7 remake gets announced tonight, which it should if it's going
to happen at TGS, then it'd be a sure fire bet that we'd get another
trailer accompanying it. internetz explode http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb6/cb6-18.jpg Vergil looks the best here, I think. Thrall's just awful. --- Final Fantasy VII Remake -- Believe |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 9/19/2007 5:32:46 PM | message detail |
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FFVII's current voting block is already well over a supermajority of
the site. The question is to ask - what will get them favoring FFVII
over OTHER things that they currently like more? Fair enough, but who are we talking about boosting? I daresay even an actual remake with a surprise release tomorrow wouldn't put Cloud or Sephiroth over Link, no matter how much it increased them both over Mario. Would it help Vincent overtake Crono and perhaps Mega Man? I expect Vincent to be stronger than Crono without any help by next contest. Vincent + Remake vs. Mega Man? That's a scratcher. Aeris and Tifa, I really don't know. MASSIVE ZOLOM BOOST CONFIRMED though. I guarantee this much: an FFVII remake would get Red XIII into the contest. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/19/2007 5:35:00 PM | message detail |
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yeah, if FF7 gets remade, I think you can call Vincent "noble nine". an
announcement might push him over Crono, but that's about all i can see
it doing. can't see Cloud passing Link *quite* yet, and it doesn't
really affect anyone else. maaaaaaaaybe Aeris, but it would just assure
her a win over Sora. don't think she could pass Squall, though with
that pack, you really don't know. --- THE ORDER MATTERS?!?!?!?!?! "war uh ya what is it good for absulite nothing" -ertyu |
| charmander6000 | Posted 9/19/2007 5:37:06 PM | message detail |
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Match XVIII: Ganondorf vs Ratchet vs Thrall vs Vergil Information Name: Ganondorf Game/Series From: The Legend of Zelda series Past Contests: CB2k3, CB2k4, VC2k5, CB2k5, CB2k6 Wins: Tidus (2k3), Alucard (2k4), Giygas (VC), Ansem (VC), Dr. Robotnik (VC), Diablo (VC), Yuna (2k5), Auron (2k5) Losses: Magus (2k3), Link (2k4), Sephiroth (VC), Samus (2k5), Vincent (2k6) Name: Ratchet Game/Series From: Ratchet & Clank series Past Contests: CB2k3, CB2k4 Wins: None Losses: Luigi (2k3), Dante (2k4) Name: Thrall Game/Series From: Warcraft series Past Contests: None Wins: N/A Losses: N/A Name: Vergil Game/Series From: Devil May Cry series Past Contests: VC2k5 Wins: Ghaleon (VC) Losses: Sephiroth (VC) Analysis This is one of the matches I screwed up when making my bracket. The winner is obvious and second place is debatable, but I took the other non-debated character to come in second. Well that’s okay my bracket was already screwed when I made it. Like the last match we have one strong character among weaker characters. Ganondorf is taking first in this match, he is a near-elite and one of the strongest among them. Ganondorf has had Twilight Princess come out since his last appearance and looking at other Zelda characters that were in the game perform, some didn’t get the huge boost that some were expecting. Even without Twilight Princess’ boost Ganondorf already has this match, but could make his future matches a little more interesting. Like most matches the interesting part is who comes in second. Before the contest Vergil was the favorite, but ever since we’ve seen Arthas’ performance the favorite status has shifted towards Thrall. During Vergil’s last contest appearance Devil May Cry 3 was only a month or two old and in his past games *spoilers* he went by a different name *end spoilers* so with more fans getting DMC3 since his last appearance maybe he gained. Warcraft is something you don’t mess with on GameFAQs. It was able to upset GTA in the series contest and Arthas was able to beat Diablo for third. From what I can get Thrall is a very well known character and to even come in second he doesn’t even need to be as strong as Arthas. I think it’s safe to say that Thrall will be the favorite going in the match. In this match I picked Ratchet to come in second, why? I don’t know. I do think Ratchet will perform better than in his previous contest. Like Jak Ratchet has probably gone down in strength because he has past his prime, but unlike Jak Ratchet has been getting main games for his series and hasn’t truly disappear into the night. Even though I have him in my bracket I don’t see him coming in second unless Thrall bombs despite Arthas’ performance and if Vergil overperformed against Sephiroth, which I’m not counting on that either. Ganondorf shall take first rather easily and for the second time in a row I’ll go against my bracket and pick Thrall to come in second. After Arthas’ performance earlier this round and the strength of his opponents I think he would be the safe choice. charmander6000’s Bracket: Ganondorf > Ratchet charmander6000’s Prediction: Ganondorf - 41.36%, Thrall - 24.43%, Vergil - 21.41%, Ratchet - 12.80% --- The Board 8 BOP - http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB6%20BOP.xls Match 17: Luigi > Pit Points: 50/64 |
| ZFS | Posted 9/19/2007 5:38:45 PM | message detail |
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I think Cloud might have some magic to work in the finals if the FF7
remake gets announced. I wouldn't say for sure or anything, but the
announcement would be so huge that you gotta figure that certainly
becomes possible. Outside of him, there'd be Vincent over Crono, but I think he can do that with or without an announcement. Everyone else has such a cut and dry path that they might do better as a result, but they're not going to go any further. --- Final Fantasy VII Remake -- Believe |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/19/2007 5:39:53 PM | message detail |
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he'd need some incredibly new design or something. that's where I
believe in Twilight Princess -- "badass Link". don't know if the same
old Cloud would really increase more than a speck, and I don't think
that's enough to reverse 54/46 and Twilight Princess now actually being
out. but you never know. --- THE ORDER MATTERS?!?!?!?!?! "war uh ya what is it good for absulite nothing" -ertyu |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/19/2007 5:40:07 PM | message detail |
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If there's an FF7 remake just add Vincent to the 'Terrific Ten', as he
already fits the criteria and would be stronger than Crono, Sonic, and
MM. --- The apples were too strong for him.- Abomstar |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 9/19/2007 5:44:51 PM | message detail |
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he'd need some incredibly new design or something. that's where I
believe in Twilight Princess -- "badass Link". don't know if the same
old Cloud would really increase more than a speck, and I don't think
that's enough to reverse 54/46 and Twilight Princess now actually being
out. but you never know. I could actually see some of Cloud's "Badass" support fade if there was a remake. His more realistic character design makes him less distinctive, IMO, and kids love that unrealistically spiky hair. Also, any fleshing out the story gets is only going to make more people realize how much of a tool Cloud is for most of the game. The new exposure would more than offset this, but it's just a thought. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 9/19/2007 5:46:32 PM | message detail |
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I just realized; we need to get Zack into the contest. If I was lucky
enough to win the Guru, I'll consider him as my nomination. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 5:48:16 PM | message detail |
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While I think Cloud's more effeminate character design does hurt him, it certainly won't make him *decrease* or anything. And I'm convinced people like Cloud's tool personality, prefer it to what he is at the end of the game in fact. A guy who doesn't care about anyone or anything and is obsessed with nothing but revenge SO BADASS aww yeah Clod --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/19/2007 5:48:52 PM | message detail |
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Cloud is awesome, fools if I win the guru you're all nominating Cloud --- THE ORDER MATTERS?!?!?!?!?! "war uh ya what is it good for absulite nothing" -ertyu |
| ZFS | Posted 9/19/2007 5:50:01 PM | message detail |
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Cloud has nothing to worry about in the badass factor department. I'm
sorry, but Cloud pulling off an Omnislash in all its graphical glory
will make people scream like little girls. aww yeah --- Final Fantasy VII Remake -- Believe |
| Centurion | Posted 9/19/2007 6:17:43 PM | message detail |
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Hey guys, check out this interesting topic on the FAQ Contributors Social board that is related to the contest: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=2000096&topic=38248592 --- ««««« Çéñ†ür¡ôñ »»»»» |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/19/2007 6:19:18 PM | message detail |
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yeah, every board I've seen has people with abysmal scores. I think the
top 500 or so brackets are essentially the only "serious" brackets in
the contest - ie, those with any chance of winning. --- THE ORDER MATTERS?!?!?!?!?! "war uh ya what is it good for absulite nothing" -ertyu |
| Master Moltar | Posted 9/19/2007 6:46:34 PM | message detail |
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Division 5: Round 1 - Match 18 – Ganondorf vs. Ratchet vs. Thrall vs. Vergil Moltar’s Analysis Ganondorf Game/Series Known From: Legend of Zelda Seed in 2003: 12 Seed in 2004: 8 Seed in 2005: 3 Seed in 2006: 4 Lost in 2003 to Magus in Round 2 Lost in 2004 to Link in Round 2 Lost in 2005 to Samus in Round 3 Lost in 2006 to Vincent in Round 1 Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Ratchet Game/Series Known From: Ratchet and Clank Seed in 2003: 14 Seed in 2004: 13 Lost in 2003 to Luigi in Round 1 Lost in 2004 to Dante in Round 1 Even I had forgotten he had been in 2 contests! Thrall Game/Series Known From: Warcraft Can he follow in Arthas’s footsteps? Vergil Game/Series Known From: Devil May Cry Die MATCH OF ROUND 1 RIGHT HERE! You know why? Because it has Ganon taking first by a mile. Bias aside, there are other characters gunning for second (I don’t even know how to re-phrase it at this point). First up is Thrall, and I honestly couldn’t tell you much about him. If Arthas is any sign though, he shouldn’t be counted out of this match. Then there is Vergil, who we know a bit more about. He was in the Villians Contest and lost 80-20 to Sephiroth. Doesn’t sound too good…but Liquid only got 24% on him and he might advance and...uhh, next! Lastly, there’s Ratchet. Killed in 2003. Came back. Killed in 2004. Honestly, I went with Vergil because I liked him the most out of the three. DMC is a strong franchise on the site, and I can see Vergil getting some backing in this match. Ratchet gets the casual vote since his name is in the title of a Sony platforming series. Thrall…maybe does as well as Arthas? Who really cares though? As long as Ganondorf gets first, nothing else matters. Who cares if you lose two points on who gets second? I’ll tell you who, no one! The only reason this match needs to take place is because we need to watch Ganondorf own some faces after the tragedy that happened last year. This time you will see the true power of the beast! Moltar’s Bracket Says: Ganondorf > Vergil > Thrall > Ratchet Moltar’s Prediction is: Ganondorf: 47% - Vergil: 20% - Thrall: 19% - Ratchet: 14% Ultimaterializer’s Analysis Second match in a row in which the winner will likely be so far ahead of the three others that any of the three other conceivably stands a chance. Even with last year's loss, Ganondorf is still a *beast* for a non-NN character and will have a boost thanks to Twilight Princess. Process of elimination with the other three should be easy enough. We already know that Vergil is stronger than Ratchet (and by quite a lot), so it comes down to World of Warcraft being a wild card again. But like I said back in the second match of the contest, Blizzard fans care about the games, not the characters so much. Rallying attempts for Kerrigan bombing twice have kind of proven this, and I don't even think this match falls on a Tuesday if the contest starts on time. Thrall, despite being arguably the best character in the Worldcraft universe, should easily fall by the wayside here. The popularity of DMC3 is no joke. Ulti's Prediction: Ganondorf [45.50%] Vergil [25.00%] Thrall [14.76%] Ratchet [14.74%] Heroic Mario’s Analysis Ganondorf – 45% Thrall -- 23% Vergil -- 20% Ratchet -- 12% Man, as exciting as Division 5 gets later on, its first round sucks. Not to say this match is unexciting, at least insofar as its potential to be close, but man, these characters (except Ganon) are just no! |
| Master Moltar | Posted 9/19/2007 6:46:56 PM | message detail |
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fanbase and how they support their character. If they support him in
any meaningful way, and give him the same kind of love they gave
Arthas, I think he’s a lock to move on. But if for whatever reason they
don’t back him, Vergil has a good shot at taking second. Given the
nature of this format, I’m banking on it before the former before the
latter. After Arthas’ performance earlier in the round, I think there’s good reason to have confidence in Thrall. Arthas is undoubtedly the stronger of the two, but Thrall doesn’t exactly need to be hanging with Arthas in order to pull this off either. I’m really skeptical of how Devil May Cry is going to do in this type of format, too. DMC, particularly Dante and to a lesser extent Vergil, strikes me as a big casual draw, but with very little hardcore backing. I suppose we might get an idea of how true that is or isn’t here. But yeah, this match just depends on the Warcraft fans. Ganon is going to take this rather dominantly, so it’s just a battle for second between Thrall and Vergil -- Ratchet’s got no shot at this one -- and I like Thrall’s chances. Let’s hope he gets the box art picture! Bracket: Ganondorf > Thrall Vote: Ganondorf Yoblazer’s Analysis God damned Mudkip. Moving on from that train wreck, we arrive at a match guaranteed to leave a less bitter aftertaste. Thank heavens, too, because that god damned Mudkip. As we've already seen several times before, today's match features two characters practically guaranteed to earn first and fourth place, and two others sandwiched in the middle. In first place, Ganondorf *plays organ*. The Gerudo King had a poor 2006, only appearing in one match before getting the boot, but that means nothing here. Ganon has some pretty scary power, and he's the only Nintendo character in this field, so he'll cruise to Round 2 all nice and pretty. His true test lies in the next few rounds; today is just a warm-up. In last place, Ratchet *plays kazoo*. I love Ratchet's games, but as a character, he's admittedly very, very weak. So weak, in fact, that he's never even managed more than 25% in a match. That kind of reputation and a complete lack of a fanbase ain't gonna get it done here, son. Pump some iron, come back in a few years, and maybe you can crack the fodder line. *snicker* OK, now the MEAT. Thrall vs. Vergil, baby! Warcraft vs. Devil May Cry, oh yeah! I believe Vergil is the considerable favorite in the Guru Challenge and BOP, but many have argued that Thrall's chances are looking up. What is the basis for this claim? Well, the fantastic performance of Warcraft's Arthas Menethil, for starters. Arthas shocked the board by not only greatly surpassing his predicted percentage, but by beating Diablo along the way. In addition to this, several other characters with relatively small, rabid fanbases, such as Phoenix Wright, HK-47, and the god damned Pokemon, have performed admirably as well. With Thrall's Warcraft background and 100% recognizability among WoW fans, he's in line for the same performance, and that's why I picked him. Of course, Vergil may have something to say about that, but I believe him to be a bit too casual to stand up to a fanbase such as Thrall's. Simply put: if Thrall is as strong as Arthas, this match is completely over. Knowing nothing about Warcraft, I'm not sure if he is, but hell, let's say he is and call it a day. God damned Mudkip. Ganondorf - 41% Thrall - 24% Vergil - 21% Ratchet - 14% Lopen’s Analysis Vergil, Thrall, and Ratchet. This match was a no brainer for me when the bracket came out, and right now, I think it still is. Everyone's ignoring Ratchet, and I think everyone is justified, so I'm going to do that too. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 9/19/2007 6:47:51 PM | message detail |
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So what we've got is a battle between Vergil and Thrall. People are citing Arthas's mighty
15% as a reason to fear Thrall in this match. Citing that Vergil could
not possibly defeat Diablo in a poll. Man, screw that. I'd take Vergil
to give KOS-MOS a run in that poll. 15% is 15%. Arthas is not strong. I
said that Mega Man was going to suck up Diablo's votes, and sure
enough, Diablo sucked. I don't buy it was some sort of Blizzard fanbase
split... he just doesn't seem to be the type of character to do well in
these polls. You want a better idea of Arthas's strength? Compare him
to KOS-MOS's performance. WoW is not popular here, we've seen it in
enough polls to know that. Warcraft 3 is what is keeping Arthas
afloat... and Warcraft 3 would make Arthas much stronger than Thrall. As if Vergil needs Thrall to be fodder, though. Vergil looked good in the Villains Contest. Based on what he did there, I'd call him a low midcarder. Sephiroth owned him, but I blame the match pic to some degree and the fact that it's Sephiroth. Seph's underperformances in that contest didn't come until the later rounds. Anywho. Vergil > Thrall. I'll be pretty surprised if it's close, but never say never, I guess! Oh, and as an aside, you'll notice I'm taking Pigman to go low. Well, if you remember what I said before in Zelda's match... I expect some near elite characters to do poorly in this contest. Zelda was one, and big surprise, Pigman is another. Zelda coattail votes are less likely the more and more opponents you get. Lopen's Prediction: Pigman – 36.54% Vergil – 30.27% Thrall – 18.96% Ratchet – 15.23% Karma Hunter’s Analysis ...and after that abomination, we're back. Ganondorf The King of Evil is back after his kinda-sorta-HAHAHAHA embarrassing loss to Vincent last year, and hopes to resolidify his position as second strongest Zelda character after his main competition slipped up against the same guy this year. He's got zero competition for first place in this match, so he's got to spread his wings and try to show us if he got anything from TP here. Can he show us why Zeldafear shouldn't just be renamed Linkfear...? Ratchet One of the weakest recurring entrants to ever grace these contests. Has he had a new game? It doesn't really freakin' matter. Ratchet comes in last with zero competition barring a miracle. Thrall After what Arthas pulled off, Thrall is looking primed to ride the WC fanbase to an upset over his main competition for second... Vergil A two-and-done from the Villains Contest, Vergil is here to back up his sole win over... Ghaleon... and take home second in this match. He's the 'proven' contestant, but being borderline-to-outright fodder himself doesn't bode terribly well for him... especially if he benefited from Sephy anti-votes in the VC. It's all about the battle for second today, with the villain of DMC3 measuring up against a protagonist from the ensemble cast of WC. According to the Series Contest, both series are roughly equal, but considering how bunk those stats are I'll go with my gut and say that WC is stronger. Add up that Thrall is about one of the only characters worth a damn from the series and I feel good about taking him here... but unlike Arthas, he doesn't have badass BOXART BAYBEE... instead a picture where I'm going to take a stab and say it's from the final cutscene of the Orc campaign in WC3 or something. In any case, it's not recognizable. Not that Thrall has a lot of recognizable pics... but his in-game face shot would do better than this. His in-game *sprite* would do better than this. The Orc on the RoC box, even if it's not him, would do better for him than all three. But he's got this, and while it's not fantastic it's hardly too discouraging... especially considering it still is pretty much unmistakably an orc. ...or Shrek, who knows. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 9/19/2007 6:48:18 PM | message detail |
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But I'm gonna stick with Thrall here. Picture aside, I believe he's
more popular, and if he falters, the slight overlap that is here (um...
Vergil/Ratchet...) should help more than hurt. It's hard to call, but I
feel confident. And if it doesn't work out, I'll just chew out Funk and his blind faith in the WC fanbase! :O Karma Hunter's Vote: Vergil. I need more power! Karma Hunter's Krazy Prediction: Ganondorf with 42%, Thrall with 26%, Vergil with 21%, Ratchet with 9% Let's see how NOT overestimating the obvious winner works here... if that's what this is. Upset Probability: 40% DMC3's sold pretty damn well, especially with the special edition. Throw in that the characters are much more popular than the games, and that the reason for that is their character designs... well, Vergil is not only Dante's twin, but he may be underrated by going out against Sephiroth with a Nelo Angelo picture. He's certainly the most glamorous of anyone in the picture, and he kills in the pic factor today. Put this all together with Thrall not getting as expected support, and... well, you know the rest. *DTs* Transience’s Analysis Vergil. Thrall. Vergil. Thrall. Vergil. Thrall. I went back and forth on these guys for three weeks until brackets closed. I hate this match because I don't know what to think of either guy. let's start with Vergil. his performance in the villain contest is pretty mediocre - 21% on Sephiroth (which isn't really all that bad - I mean, Liquid Snake got 24%), and he couldn't even double some guy named Ghaleon. the highlight of his contest career is this match picture - http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/spc2k5/b06.jpg - Ghaleon's face is just transcendent. Thrall's far more of an unknown. apparently, he's some kind of quest-giver in World of Warcraft and a fairly prominent figure - well, as prominent as NPCs can get, anyway. Thrall doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would be universally popular, but no one is more devoted to their guys than the World of Warcraft community. plus, Arthas did much better than expected, which has made Thrall the trendy pick to take this match. I have reservations about Thrall doing so well, though.. I wonder how numerous the Thrall fanbase actually is. I can see him getting 15-20%, but he's probably going to need more than that in order to beat Vergil. I'd put my money on him if I knew he would get rallied for, but as-is, I'm skeptical. plus, there's a chance that he completely bombs. Vergil's projected to beat Kerrigan 62-38, and while Thrall's probably stronger, I wonder by how much. I really don't know what to think here, but I'm taking the proven quantity over the guy who may end up blowing Vergil out or may end up flopping hard. Vergil's high fodder Thrall could end up anywhere Ganondorf destroys transience's prediction: Ganondorf with 46.88%, Vergil with 22.44%, Thrall with 20.55%, Ratchet with 10.13% Guest’s Analysis - The Real Truth Ah so I'm finally doing one of these. For those of you that don't know me (Which is probably a lot), I've been coming to Board 8 for about 3 years now, but I've never really participated in anything. Alright, enough with the introduction. So to start off, Ganondorf obviously takes first place. He shouldn't be receiving any SFF since two of the characters live on the PS2 and the other on the PC. He's also just strong regardless, so even if there were SFF, not many characters have a chance at beating him. Who takes second then? Well lets see. Ratchet- Summer 2004 Contest Chaos Division - 13 Seed Chaos Round 1 --- Lost to (4) Dante, 14602 [19.72%] - 59437 [80.28%] 3 years ago and Dante is obviously stronger than Vergil, but to me, this is pretty much a strong indication of how well Ratchet will do in this match. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 9/19/2007 6:49:07 PM | message detail |
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appeared in a contest. Many people have switched from saying Vergil to
win, to saying Thrall will win, after Arthas performed "Well" in his
match, where he actually managed to slightly beat out Diablo for 3rd
place. Now I'm not sure exactly how popular Thrall is compared to
Arthas, but I know that I'd at least heart the name Arthas before the
contest started. Will Thrall be stronger than Arthas? I'm guessing not. Vergil - Many DMC fans like Vergil more than they like Dante. Why? Because he's just that awesome. Vergil has appeared in one contest (The Villains contest) and did respectably before losing badly to Sephiroth. Jenova Round 1 --- Defeated (5) Ghaleon, 41182 [64.45%] - 22713 [35.55%] Jenova Semifinal --- Lost to (1) Sephiroth, 17291 [21.19%] - 64294 [78.81%] Extrapolated Strength --- 14th Place [21.19%] Now getting 21.19% may seem like complete garbage, but there's two things to take into account: 1. He was facing Sephiroth, who's the 3rd strongest character in these contests and 2. The picture he received looked nothing like him at all. People that love Devil May Cry 3, love Vergil and would vote for him over most characters. So what does all this mean? Well in my opinion, Vergil is the second strongest here, but there's also the PS2 factor that he shares with Ratchet, which neither Ganon (Like it would matter) or Thrall has to worry about. Like I said though, people love Vergil and I think he'll come out alright. My prediction? Ganon with 43% - Vergil with 25.5% - Thrall with 19% - Ratchet with 12.5% Crew Consensus: 5 have Ganon > Vergil, 3 have Ganon > Ratchet. This one's up in the air. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 6:53:25 PM | message detail |
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WHO has Ganon > Ratchet???? --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 9/19/2007 7:08:51 PM | message detail |
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GANON > THRALL GEEZ I'M TOO BUSY WITH SONY'S CONFERENCE TO CARE --- Moltar Status: The Analysis Crew...believe Ganondorf/Ratchet/Thrall/Vergil - Bracket: Ganon > Vergil - Vote: Ganon (60/68) |
| Gaddswell | Posted 9/19/2007 7:10:59 PM | message detail |
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Temporary Stats topic: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=38348144 --- Finally a damn bracket! http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/19/2007 7:30:21 PM | message detail |
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But Peach being in Meta-Knight's match certainly didn't help him.
(Though I think we can all agree BT was being an idiot (surprise!) when
he said Meta-Knight gets 30% on Seph if Peach is removed.) Wait.... what? I never said that. Though it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility. I'd say more around 25%. TuRtLe ~~~ 50/64 in the contest. Next pick: Luigi > mudkipz BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/19/2007 7:50:00 PM | message detail |
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Come on Luigi, get to 46%! --- The apples were too strong for him.- Abomstar |
| swirIdude | Posted 9/19/2007 7:59:59 PM | message detail |
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Thrall didn't get the powder monkey's boxart pic, Ganondorf got the
same damn OoT pic the bilge rat always has, an' Vergil got essentially
the same thin' as the bilge rat did against Ghaleon. Browse Like a Pirate FTW. --- http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2931/ivotededgeworthck7.png |
| Big Bob | Posted 9/19/2007 8:08:54 PM | message detail |
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I have Ganon > Thrall. >_> Something wrong with that? --- September 29th: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=38262325 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/19/2007 8:13:26 PM | message detail |
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Round 1- Division 5 Group B Characters Involved: Ganondorf Summer 2003 Contest North Division - 12 Seed Northern Round 1 --- Defeated (5) Tidus, 58660 [50.68%] - 57078 [49.32%] Northern Quarterfinal --- Lost to (13) Magus, 54529 [49.70%] - 55179 [50.30%] Extrapolated Strength --- 11th Place [33.60%] Summer 2004 Contest Hyrule Division - 8 Seed Hyrule Round 1 --- Defeated (9) Alucard, 50045 [57.16%] - 37512 [42.84%] Hyrule Quarterfinal --- Lost to (1) Link, 10640 [12.10%] - 77295 [87.90%] Extrapolated Strength --- 10th Place [32.38%] Spring 2005 Contest Triforce Division - 1 Seed Triforce Round 1 --- Defeated (8) Giygas, 67715 [84.98%] - 11966 [15.02%] Triforce Semifinal --- Defeated (4) Ansem, 58317 [74.44%] - 20027 [25.56%] Triforce Final --- Defeated (3) Dr. Robotnik, 66693 [76.64%] - 20323 [23.36%] Final Four --- Defeated (7) Diablo, 56848 [65.20%] - 30345 [34.80%] Finals --- Lost to (1) Sephiroth, 43286 [41.83%] - 60193 [58.17%] Extrapolated Strength --- 2nd Place [41.83%] Summer 2005 Contest Zebes Division - 3 Seed Zebes Round 1 --- Defeated (6) Yuna, 65476 [61.20%] - 41503 [38.80%] Zebes Semifinal --- Defeated (2) Auron, 53655 [54.10%] - 45514 [45.90%] Zebes Final --- Lost to (1) Samus, 36363 [40.34%] - 53776 [59.66%] Extrapolated Strength --- 15th Place [30.83%] Summer 2006 Contest Blast Division - 4 Seed Blast Round 1 --- Lost to (5) Vincent, 60685 [47.41%] - 67321 [52.59%] Extrapolated Strength --- 14th Place [38.35%] Ganondorf returns, fresh off a long off-season and a new game. Despite Zelda, Midna and Tingle all performing under expectations, Ganon's path this year is pretty weak, so he should have no trouble getting far. Ratchet Summer 2003 Contest North Division - 14 Seed Northern Round 1 --- Lost to (3) Luigi, 24099 [25.46%] - 70550 [74.54%] Extrapolated Strength --- 57th Place [12.44%] Summer 2004 Contest Chaos Division - 13 Seed Chaos Round 1 --- Lost to (4) Dante, 14602 [19.72%] - 59437 [80.28%] Extrapolated Strength --- 62nd Place [10.05%] After seeing Jak disappoint, I highly doubt Ratchet will be doing much here. He lost to Dante by as much as Vergil lost to Sephiroth, and that was before Dante's big boost. Thrall Leader of the Orcish horde, Thrall is the second Warcraft character to debut in this contest, and will hopefully follow Arthas' lead by turning heads and impressing the hell out of everyone. Vergil Spring 2005 Contest Jenova Division - 4 Seed Jenova Round 1 --- Defeated (5) Ghaleon, 41182 [64.45%] - 22713 [35.55%] Jenova Semifinal --- Lost to (1) Sephiroth, 17291 [21.19%] - 64294 [78.81%] Extrapolated Strength --- 14th Place [21.19%] The board favourite for this match, Vergil's claim to fame is beating out some obscure RPG villain before getting the crap beat out of him by Sephiroth. People are saying that DMC3:SE will boost him, but I'm not buying it. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/19/2007 8:13:42 PM | message detail |
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Predictions: A match that went under the radar during the bracketmaking period. It was gjenerally accepted that Vergil was going to walk away with this one. That all changed with one match: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2864 Arthas, the other Warcraft character who debuted this year, managed to beat his Blizzard compatriate Diablo, and come repectably close to KOS-MOS in the process. Surely, without another Blizzard PC character in the poll, Arthas would have won that match. I don't know about you guys, but I'd take KOS-MOS comfortably over Vergil and Ratchet. Seems to me this match shouldn't even be close, as Thrall is much more likable than the jerkass Arthas. Percentagewise, Ganon shouldn't have trouble breaking 40% here, though I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't. Ratchet should get a good 15% for himself since his opponents are similar to Jak. Thrall should be comfortably above Vergil, though anything can happen in these things. TuRtLe's Prediction: Ganondorf 40%, Thrall 25%, Vergil 20%, Ratchet 15% TuRtLe's Bracket: Ganondorf > Thrall TuRtLe's Vote: FOR THE HORDE! TuRtLe ~~~ 50/64 in the contest. Next pick: Luigi > mudkipz BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
