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| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/19/2007 9:42:36 AM | message detail |
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SSBB beat OoT? Let's not get ridiculous now, it's not beating the number two game on the site. Fixed TuRtLe ~~~ 50/64 in the contest. Next pick: Luigi > mudkipz BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/19/2007 9:45:08 AM | message detail |
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SSBB also has no chance of beating OOT or LTTP. --- Character Battle VI -- Points: 51/64 -- T-128 (36 way) Bracket: Luigi > Pit -- Vote: Pit |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 9:45:26 AM | message detail |
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Even if FF7 were still the number one game on the site, I'd say SSBB
takes it down quicker than it does OoT. And as for FF7 vs OoT itself...
in FF7's corner is the fact that it actually won once upon a time, with
crap votals and a 54-46 margin. Oh, and the (lol) Top Ten List. I
wouldn't be surprised if a FF7/OoT match doubled the votes of their
previous encounter. With a reversed margin. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| BDawg | Posted 9/19/2007 9:45:33 AM | message detail |
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I don't know who would vote FFVII over OoT but wouldn't vote FF series over Zelda series. --- Should I start running now? |
| ZFS | Posted 9/19/2007 9:47:10 AM | message detail |
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I wouldn't take SSBB over OoT (#2!) or FF7 (#1!). I could see it being a good third, but beyond that? No way. --- Final Fantasy VII Remake -- Believe |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/19/2007 9:48:21 AM | message detail |
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I think FFVII still wins a rematch.....most of Link's gains against
Cloud were from 2003 to 2004, and thus far Zelda characters have looked
pretty bad this year, so it appears TP didn't do too much. Add onto
this that FFVII/OOT was held something like a week after the initial TP
announcement at E3 2004 and.... --- Character Battle VI -- Points: 51/64 -- T-128 (36 way) Bracket: Luigi > Pit -- Vote: Pit |
| BDawg | Posted 9/19/2007 9:50:45 AM | message detail |
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Heh this is the first match where the strength lines up in alphabetical
order. It makes for a very nice bar graph, especially since nobody is
close. --- Should I start running now? |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/19/2007 9:52:40 AM | message detail |
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There sure is a lot of whining today. When's the last time the whiners were out in these numbers? TuRtLe ~~~ 50/64 in the contest. Next pick: Luigi > mudkipz BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 9/19/2007 9:53:28 AM | message detail |
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I say let's actually see SSBB before we say who it can and can't beat.
If this single player mode is actually a good solid 1 player
experience, and it's loved for more than just it's multiplayer, I could
see it becoming the number one game on the site. With all the hype
behind it right now, if it delivers in that aspect, it's potential is
insane. I don't particularly think the single player experience will be
that great (hope I'm wrong), and that even if it is, that it will be the number 1 game on the site, but there's no reason why it should be discounted at this point in time. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| ESY16 | Posted 9/19/2007 9:54:58 AM | message detail |
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I would also take FFVII in a re-match with OoT. As for SSBB, I could see it getting 3rd but only after being released and hailed as being as good as or better than the hype. --- Member of Woot or Shirt.Woot? Vote for my shirt! http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/EntryWindow.aspx?id=2298 |
| __hiei__ | Posted 9/19/2007 9:55:09 AM | message detail |
| Zelda series won be like 51% in the series contest.any small boost would put FF in the top again. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 9:57:21 AM | message detail |
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Link's TOTAL increase on Cloud from 2004 to 2006 has been greater than
his jump from 2003 to 2004. And then you have the people that say the
2003-2004 jump wasn't as great as it appeared because Link was
underrated in 2k3 because of the picture. Factor in that we've had a
big Nintendo boost, a new Zelda game, Zelda winning the Series Contest
despite FF being massively favored here (hold that match again and I
struggle to see FF break 48%), massive anti-votes for FF7 in general,
and I don't see FF7 really making a match of it. It's certainly got a
chance.... and it'd have the brackets behind it... but I can't see
today's site that favors Link so decisively defer to FFVII again.
Despite it being the roots of what made this site. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 9:58:21 AM | message detail |
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If this single player mode is actually a good solid 1 player
experience, and it's loved for more than just it's multiplayer, I could
see it becoming the number one game on the site. No. Not a discussion EC, you're more wrong than you've ever been. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 9/19/2007 10:02:29 AM | message detail |
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...and why's that? You have no idea what
that experience is going to entail. If it's an amazing game that
everyone loves, why can't it become the top game? It has the name
recognition, it's certainly going to sell well, and it's going to
extend it's fanbase well beyond people who don't own the console it's
on/don't own it, through the multiplayer aspect of it (yes, obviously
the other SS games have this too, but I'm saying this in comparison to
FF7 and OOT, if the single player is an amazing experience.) The hype
behind it here is bigger than Twilight Princess, FFwhatever, and any
other game you want to throw out there. There's no reason to be
ignorant and shout out that it can't be on par with OoT and FF7, when
it has what it has going for it. I already said I don't personally
expect it to, but there's no reason why it doesn't have the potential
for it. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 10:04:23 AM | message detail |
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Do NOT even insinuate that I am ignorant in the same breath that you
argue SSBB to even have a chance of touching the top spot on this site.
My patience is strained as it is, it's farcical enough that I even
deigned to respond. You've never been more wrong. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| NotTerrafire | Posted 9/19/2007 10:05:38 AM | message detail |
| This match is BORING. All the leads are increasing >_< |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 9/19/2007 10:06:10 AM | message detail |
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So basically what you're saying is that no matter how amazing a game
is, no matter how well received it is, no matter how big the hype for
it is, and no matter how well it sells, it's not going to be able to
beat out OoT of FF7 in a popularity contest. I think that's pretty
ignorant, sorry if you disagree. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| ZFS | Posted 9/19/2007 10:06:46 AM | message detail |
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The only thing that you mentioned there
that would make OoT an appealing choice for an upset is the fact that
we've gone through a Nintendo Boost. Zelda beating the FF series, Link
continuing to beat Cloud, another Zelda game releasing -- none of that
has to do with Ocarina of Time beating Final Fantasy 7. Within months
of the all Square final, and FF7 taking it to OoT, Link came back and
beat Cloud. I don't put stock into any of that in a rematch with
exception to the Nintendo Boost, which is the most pertinent of the
reasons listed. If there has been a shift, with more Nintendo
fans and Square fans being "diluted," then maybe, sure. But even then,
I think FF7 wins today in a rematch, albeit in a much closer one. We've seen how much this site loves FF7 -- rightfully so! -- and I can't see anyone that voted FF7 then jumping ship because of the Wii or Twilight Princess having been released. --- Final Fantasy VII Remake -- Believe |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 10:12:14 AM | message detail |
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SSBB doesn't have what it takes because of what it *is*, plain and
simple. It's not the lack of single-player that holds SSBM back, it's
the nature of the game and of on the system it was on. How many people
on this site own a Wii? Even if you extrapolate to guess how many will
have one after SSBB releases/will buy won for SSBB, it doesn't come
close to touching those that have played OoT. SSBB doesn't have the
USERBASE for becoming the #1 game here. If you want to talk in the
future after past generations have faded and the Wii has more ownership
than the PS2 ever did and SSBB has had more room to grow and shine than
SSBM did... well, I don't even think I'll be on this site that far in
the future, but that's a pointless argument regardless. It's about as
relevant as me asserting that "game X that hasn't been released or
named" will be the #1 game instead, except I'm more likely to be
correct because my options are larger. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| ESY16 | Posted 9/19/2007 10:12:56 AM | message detail |
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Interesting question/preposterous theory: Can Halo 3 win the Game of the Year poll on GameFAQs if it lives up to the hype? The thinking behind this is that Halo 3 seems to be popular enough on this site, and having SSBB, SMG, and Metroid in the poll could provide some heavy SFF. --- Member of Woot or Shirt.Woot? Vote for my shirt! http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/EntryWindow.aspx?id=2298 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 10:14:21 AM | message detail |
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Of course Halo 3 can "win" the GotY poll (or at least come in first in
a poll, though the options in the 'final round' will likely be diluted
enough to make it lose). But... GTA games have regularly won GotY polls
as well. It doesn't really mean anything. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/19/2007 10:15:07 AM | message detail |
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Link's TOTAL increase on Cloud from 2004 to 2006 has been greater than his jump from 2003 to 2004. Actually.... Link's % on Cloud in 2003: 48.39% 2004: 51.82% 2005: 52.44% 2006: 53.93% Change from 03 to 04: 3.43% Change from 04 to 06: 2.11% --- Character Battle VI -- Points: 51/64 -- T-128 (36 way) Bracket: Luigi > Pit -- Vote: Pit |
| ZFS | Posted 9/19/2007 10:15:55 AM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2591 It's moe stacked than a GotY would be (the final one, anyway), but I don't think Brawl is going to have to worry about SFF, outside of dealing it to the other two. --- Final Fantasy VII Remake -- Believe |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 9/19/2007 10:18:16 AM | message detail |
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...and like I said I don't expect it to be number one game on the site,
I said it has the potential to. And SSBB has what OoT and FF7 don't
have, it's going to be able to strongly appeal to be people who don't
own the console through it's multiplayer aspect. It will greatly help
broaden the fanbase it reaches out to in the beginning stages of it's
life to make up for the fact that not everyone has a Wii. I don't know
how you can deny the potential in SSBB, it has more than any game
that's been released since this site has been running contests. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 10:20:31 AM | message detail |
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Link only got 53.93% on Cloud? Geez, I remember it being significantly
more... probably because I was around for the beginning of that match... At any rate, it's certainly nothing to scoff at... and as for HM's claim that OoT has nothing in its corner but the Nintendo Boost, I would say that the general votals matter a great deal as well. Move the poll up in 2004 and while OoT doesn't win, I certainly believe it's a closer affair. FF7 gets more love perhaps, but it's hard to get away from the fact that OoT has more playership... ...I'd be rooting for FF7 all the way, but I'd be about as confident in OoT winning as I am Link winning this year. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/19/2007 10:24:12 AM | message detail |
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And if hype matters at all.....FFVII/OOT was held June 2, 2004, just a
little after E3 that year, when TP was first announced. And Link/Cloud
06 was held the day before TP came out. --- Character Battle VI -- Points: 51/64 -- T-128 (36 way) Bracket: Luigi > Pit -- Vote: Pit |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 10:24:27 AM | message detail |
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..and like I said I don't expect it to be number one game on the
site, I said it has the potential to. And SSBB has what OoT and FF7
don't have, it's going to be able to strongly appeal to be people who
don't own the console through it's multiplayer aspect. It will greatly
help broaden the fanbase it reaches out to in the beginning stages of
it's life to make up for the fact that not everyone has a Wii. And that will take TIME. It took long years for SSBM to go from getting smashed by FFX to barely beating it, and it still hadn't reached its peak. If you're talking about something that far in the future, it's rather pointless - at that point, aging taking its toll on FF7 and OoT is likely to be more relevant than whatever rare intangibles SSBB has that those games don't (though it'll still lack the critical one they have in spades - nostalgia. There's a reason why TP isn't gonna be on OoT's level, and may not be a top ten game). --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 9/19/2007 10:26:12 AM | message detail |
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Because it sucks? --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 10:27:06 AM | message detail |
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That too, but it doesn't stop OoT from owning faces. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 9/19/2007 10:27:49 AM | message detail |
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OoT sucks less. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| Keno316 | Posted 9/19/2007 10:30:01 AM | message detail |
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I would still take FF7 over OoT in a rematch in a heart beat. The
pounding FF7 gave it back then was too sound. And even with the boost,
it seems Link is the only one that continues to periodically grow. At
least from his series. OoT is sure to make it closer (49-51 range
probably) but I don't think it can make up the whole gap. --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB *Claims KG's Eclair, C.C. & Tear Grants* |
| ESY16 | Posted 9/19/2007 10:32:32 AM | message detail |
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Would the fact that there is at least debate about an OoT/FFVII rematch
(though I still take VII in that) and some highly regarded new
releases/future releases make a Best.Game.Ever contest viable and
interesting if held next year? --- Member of Woot or Shirt.Woot? Vote for my shirt! http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/EntryWindow.aspx?id=2298 |
| Keno316 | Posted 9/19/2007 10:33:35 AM | message detail |
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The fact there hasn't been a game contest in 3 years is more than
enough to make one viable and interesting next year. Simply cause its
been so long. --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB *Claims KG's Eclair, C.C. & Tear Grants* |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 9/19/2007 10:33:54 AM | message detail |
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A Best. Game. Ever. contest would be interesting if FF7 beat OoT 94-6 last time. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/19/2007 10:34:12 AM | message detail |
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TP does not suck. You guys are haters. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 10:35:02 AM | message detail |
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I'm still clueless as to why we didn't have a Best Game Ever contest
this year. With a proper bracket it'd have as much unpredictability as
this contest without having to resort to this format. It's not like we
couldn't have had this contest afterward, either... we went the whole
spring and summer with nothing. Not blaming anyone, just felt like a wasted opportunity is all. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| ESY16 | Posted 9/19/2007 10:35:18 AM | message detail |
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I thought for some reason that there was a large group of people that
were against a BGE contest next year. I am glad to see that I was wrong
as I also think that it would be very interesting. No
generational-based divisions and better nomination process though plz. --- Member of Woot or Shirt.Woot? Vote for my shirt! http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/EntryWindow.aspx?id=2298 |
| ZFS | Posted 9/19/2007 10:35:59 AM | message detail |
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| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2007 10:36:03 AM | message detail |
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TP does not suck. You guys are haters. hey you're right ZERO SUCKS --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| voltch | Posted 9/19/2007 10:47:58 AM | message detail |
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according to this site FFVII best game but Zelda is the best series. anyone else think that if FFVII was a franchise like the legend of zelda it would be something big? and i'm not talking Doc or crisis core here i'm saying if VII was a stand alone series from squaresoft with major games charting the history of the land through to whatever Red XIII does when he's 540. --- Rufus shinra destroyed my bracket in the sc2k6 contest. |
| ZFS | Posted 9/19/2007 10:48:34 AM | message detail |
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At any rate, it's certainly nothing to scoff at... and as for HM's
claim that OoT has nothing in its corner but the Nintendo Boost, I
would say that the general votals matter a great deal as well. Move the
poll up in 2004 and while OoT doesn't win, I certainly believe it's a
closer affair. FF7 gets more love perhaps, but it's hard to get away
from the fact that OoT has more playership... I understand what you're saying there about the playership, but I don't necessarily think the higher the vote totals get, the stronger OoT becomes. FF7 may not have the playership of OoT, but it's still got 75%+ on this site as of 2005, which is pretty much equal to how it was when another poll was taken in 2003. I would expect a game like Ocarina of Time, for being as highly regarded as it is, would have more people who have played it, if not for the reason that OoT certainly has a greater "appeal" to most people, then for the fact that it has been released and re-released on consoles outside of the N64, which is something that FF7 hasn't gotten. FF7 has never struck me as something that's had to rely on vote totals. Whether they're high or low, FF7 still kicks some ass in contests of all kinds. This could well apply to FF7, too, but even though OoT is a more widely played game doesn't necessarily mean that all those people who played it loved and consider it the best game ever or whatever. Now, I'm not going to make anything out of the point other than just a little note, but you know. And I don't think there's anything more telling than that FF7 remake poll, where over 76% of the site said they would buy a PS3 for the remake -- and this is after "$599 US DOLLARS." Pretty much the same amount of people who have played FF7 said they would buy a console for the remake of the game. Not going to run with this point either, but... I dunno, I just don't see it happening. Closer? For sure. OoT winning? Can't see it, although it'd be a good upset pick in another games contest -- just not one I'd take! --- Final Fantasy VII Remake -- Believe |
| hochiminh155 | Posted 9/19/2007 11:33:36 AM | message detail |
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And I don't think there's anything more telling than that FF7 remake
poll, where over 76% of the site said they would buy a PS3 for the
remake -- and this is after "$599 US DOLLARS." I don't recall this particular poll. Could I have a link? --- Fc: 4768 3939 5325 |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/19/2007 11:39:38 AM | message detail |
| Ocarina of Time also has the aura of generally being regarded as the best game ever. That's so sauce. mmmmmmmmm |
| transience | Posted 9/19/2007 11:39:44 AM | message detail |
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Poll 2412 (06/19/2006) Would you buy a PlayStation 3 remake of Final Fantasy VII? 26080 29.90% Buy it? I'd invest in Square Enix to make it happen! 20936 24.00% Yes, I'd love to see it on a modern system 19117 21.91% Probably, if it was re-done well 9876 11.32% Probably not, I wasn't a big fan FF7 11227 12.87% No, I can't stand it TOTAL VOTES: 87236 --- xyzzy http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/19/2007 11:45:46 AM | message detail |
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CTRL + F: Just another nail in the PS3's coffin. No results found. Poll is irrelevant. |
| transience | Posted 9/19/2007 11:48:20 AM | message detail |
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yeah, it's a misleading poll. either you'd buy a ps3 remake or you don't like ff7. --- xyzzy http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/19/2007 11:48:57 AM | message detail |
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Taking OoT over FFVII is about as absurd as Cloud > Link. --- Feel my truth. |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/19/2007 11:52:25 AM | message detail |
| I wouldn't call any real (ie: not Fallout 2 over OoT in a rematch) risk from 2004 absurd. We haven't seen the games perform since then, and we're dealing with, what 60,000+ votes per poll now? That could be enough to spicen things up in and of itself. |
| Sir Bormun | Posted 9/19/2007 11:53:02 AM | message detail |
| Mudkip. Blech. Why can't Internet fads be less pathetic on occasion? |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/19/2007 11:53:08 AM | message detail |
| 60,000+ more votes per poll. |
