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hochiminh155 | Posted 9/16/2007 4:35:33 PM | message detail
Come on Zelda. Let's go under 30%

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hochiminh155 | Posted 9/16/2007 4:36:18 PM | message detail
All The Boss is is a butch trucker woman of questionable sexual orientation


Uh, she gave birth

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/16/2007 4:36:55 PM | message detail
All The Boss is is a butch trucker woman of questionable sexual orientation

Ok come on, I really wasn't apart of the bash BT bandwagon that this stats topic often becomes lately, but that was just flat out wrong.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/16/2007 4:38:58 PM | message detail
I played half of MGS3, but gave up after The Fear because of how boring it had gotten.

The Boss was full of cliches and lamesauce.

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Heroic Yuna | Posted 9/16/2007 4:39:48 PM | message detail
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transience | Posted 9/16/2007 4:39:58 PM | message detail
opinion fights over MGS characters?

woo might need to skip this topic too

uhh Vincent's doing okay here i guess
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/16/2007 4:56:51 PM | message detail
I played half of MGS3, but gave up after The Fear because of how boring it had gotten

oh my god oh my god i cant breathe need aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiir
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Tails/The Boss/Vincent/Zelda - Bracket: Vincent > Zelda - Vote: The Boss (44/52)
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/16/2007 4:57:49 PM | message detail
The fact that you found MGS3 boring demotes more of your credibility >_>
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paraboxx | Posted 9/16/2007 5:17:35 PM | message detail
I played half of MGS3, but gave up after The Fear because of how boring it had gotten

Seconded. But replace "The Fear" with "The End."

...and yet I still think the story, and The Boss, were awesome.

Back to Raiden - I see no reason he shouldn't advance. Whether or not there's backlash against MGS4 because of Raiden, the appearance can only help Raiden himself. I figured he had second locked even before I knew about it, though.

...and, since I'm running out of posts (htf did that happen?), I'll see you at the match.
hochiminh155 | Posted 9/16/2007 5:19:27 PM | message detail
In Round 2, will Vincent be closer to Link or Zelda?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/16/2007 5:23:53 PM | message detail
Tidus has NEVER been close to how he appeared in 2003. Remember Tidus/Claire?

Meh, adjusting Claire down to Jill's level still leaves Tidus rather stronger than he was in 2k4, though not by as wide of a margin. Or should Claire have been much weaker than Jill? Either way, FFX was a lot more dominant in 2002 than at any other point (why hello there 2001 GotY Poll!).
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 9/16/2007 5:26:04 PM | message detail
In Round 2, will Vincent be closer to Link or Zelda?

Link. Definitely.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2007 5:27:23 PM | message detail
Claire has always been significantly weaker than Jill. Jill has represented the RE series for as long as it's been around, appeared in Marvel vs Capcom, and had her own game, Claire has been forced to share the spotlight (while you play as her first, less than halfway through Code Veronica you have to switch to Chris Redfield... yeah, that guy).
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/16/2007 5:28:44 PM | message detail
Wasn't Claire the more popular main in RE2, though? I always thought that game was the most popular in the series, too.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2007 5:31:07 PM | message detail
Indeed, which is why Claire has *some* strength to her... but Jill's always had the edge. She came first, she had her own game, she's the face of the series... and really, she's just cooler. From the perspective of the average player Jill is a hardened kick-butt special forces operative (for chrissakes the woman was in Delta Force darn you video games), Claire is just a random girl looking for her brother.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/16/2007 5:33:51 PM | message detail
K, I suppose that makes sense.

Still, I doubt Ganondorf was ever weaker than Zelda, especially given today's performance. Tidus was probably at least a bit stronger in the past than he is now.
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Mumei | Posted 9/16/2007 5:34:15 PM | message detail
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Mumei | Posted 9/16/2007 5:35:30 PM | message detail
The Boss is is a butch trucker woman of questionable sexual orientation

BT, I've worked with butch trucker women of questionable sexual orientation: I've known butch trucker women of sexual orientation; butch trucker women of sexual orientation have been friends of mine. BT, The Boss is no butch trucker woman of questionable sexual orientation.

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ejm5446 | Posted 9/16/2007 5:40:08 PM | message detail
The Boss is a much better character than Raiden or Liquid, sucks that she's wasted in this match.
RPGuy96 | Posted 9/16/2007 5:41:15 PM | message detail
(for chrissakes the woman was in Delta Force darn you video games)

At age 16 or so, no less!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2007 5:42:07 PM | message detail
I hate everything.
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hochiminh155 | Posted 9/16/2007 6:01:34 PM | message detail
BT, I've worked with butch trucker women of questionable sexual orientation: I've known butch trucker women of sexual orientation; butch trucker women of sexual orientation have been friends of mine. BT, The Boss is no butch trucker woman of questionable sexual orientation.


I got the reference. Lloyd Bentsen.
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TimJab | Posted 9/16/2007 6:02:41 PM | message detail
vincent should face mega man or crono one on one for a spot in the terrific ten. he won't lose to anyone outside the noble 9.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/16/2007 6:03:31 PM | message detail
there is no terrific ten damnit
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TimJab | Posted 9/16/2007 6:03:53 PM | message detail
prove it
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ZFS | Posted 9/16/2007 6:04:18 PM | message detail
but vince sure is terrific

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/16/2007 6:04:58 PM | message detail
raiden should also be in the terrific ten he only lost to snake after all
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/16/2007 6:05:32 PM | message detail
Also, isn't half of the requirement for the Noble Nine the fact that they've been in every single contest?
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ZFS | Posted 9/16/2007 6:07:09 PM | message detail
I think it's more along the lines that none of the nine would lose to anyone but themselves.

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TimJab | Posted 9/16/2007 6:08:14 PM | message detail
vincent has beaten two near elites handily, put 48% on sonic in his best year, and would eat bowser's lunch. his victory over squall means he beats any ff guy not named cloud or sephiroth. vincent is a powerhouse.
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Heroic Yuna | Posted 9/16/2007 6:08:39 PM | message detail
The other requirement is indeed there, despite how stupid it is. Otherwise there would be no reason at all for Vincent to be kept out of it.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2007 6:08:43 PM | message detail
I'm still not convinced Vincent wouldn't lose to Ganondorf this year (though I'm a HELL of a lot more confident than I used to be about that). Assuming the role in TP matters... Ganon would be doing *damn* good to go up just a point or so.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/16/2007 6:08:56 PM | message detail
Well, I know that's the main portion of it, but I think I remember someone mentioning that they had to be in every contest, too.

Not that I think any of them will miss out on a contest any time soon.

Either way, no one else is allowed in. <_<
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ZFS | Posted 9/16/2007 6:09:33 PM | message detail
The other requirement is indeed there, despite how stupid it is. Otherwise there would be no reason at all for Vincent to be kept out of it.

Vincent sorta kinda has the problem of not having beaten a noble nine character. Sorta kinda.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/16/2007 6:09:57 PM | message detail
No one's disagreeing that Vincent is a stong character here - perhaps 10th in strength.

But that's not the way the N9 structure works. New people don't get in by beating existing members.
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ZFS | Posted 9/16/2007 6:10:21 PM | message detail
Well, yeah, that's why people talk about the noble nine breaking. If Vincent beats one of them, it just doesn't work anymore.

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Heroic Yuna | Posted 9/16/2007 6:10:42 PM | message detail
From ZFS Posted 9/16/2007 9:09:33 PM #084
The other requirement is indeed there, despite how stupid it is. Otherwise there would be no reason at all for Vincent to be kept out of it.

Vincent sorta kinda has the problem of not having beaten a noble nine character. Sorta kinda.


Yes, but you always see people saying "There will be no replacement if someone in the Nine loses."
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ZFS | Posted 9/16/2007 6:11:48 PM | message detail
Because the entire idea behind the noble nine is that they're the nine strongest characters who will never lose to anyone but themselves -- they have yet to do so. If Vincent beats one of them, that whole idea shatters. You don't replace any of them; there just won't be a "noble nine."

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TimJab | Posted 9/16/2007 6:11:51 PM | message detail
Vincent sorta kinda has the problem of not having beaten a noble nine character. Sorta kinda.

That's why I said he has to face MM or Crono.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2007 6:12:27 PM | message detail
Yeah, before 2006 people were making the argument for Sonic and especially Snake to be "kicked out" of the Noble Nine, as they were the two that hadn't won over any of the others. After last year though, the Noble Nine finally seems to have cemented its legitimacy, both out of and unto itself.

Vincent hasn't beaten a Noble Niner yet, and there's no telling if he'll eventually go the way of other prospective NN breakers (ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO)
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/16/2007 6:13:41 PM | message detail
Mega Man got kicked out of the Noble Nine, guys.

Smurf said so last year, remember?
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ZFS | Posted 9/16/2007 6:14:27 PM | message detail
turtle incoming

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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/16/2007 6:14:49 PM | message detail
I don't think Vincent would have had Noble strength back in 2k2 - remember that Cloud and Seph were quite a bit weaker back then.

...But now that I think about it, most of Vincent's competition would have been weaker, too. Ganondorf, Zelda, and Bowser didn't have the Ninty boost, Squall bombed and Auron was without KHII, Tidus and Ryu are overrated by WDF (or Link/Mario SFF, doesn't really matter), so he may well have been 10th anyway.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/16/2007 6:17:02 PM | message detail
I think Vincent is certainly an easy pick for 10th at this moment in time. I'm not totally sold on Ganondorf yet...we'll see how he looks this year.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/16/2007 6:21:32 PM | message detail
Match XV: Crono vs Sam Fisher vs Simon Belmont vs Raiden

Information

Name: Crono
Game/Series From: Chrono Trigger
Past Contests: CB2k2, CB2k3, CB2k4, CB2k5, CB2k6
Wins: Simon Belmont (2k2), Dante (2k2), Lara Croft (2k2), Solid Snake (2k2), Tom Nook (2k3), Kefka (2k3), Conker (2k4), Magus (2k4), Mario (2k4), Zidane (2k5), Tommy Vercetti (2k5), Master Chief (2k5), Vincent (2k5), Mega Man (2k5), Captain Falcon (2k6), Bowser (2k6), Auron (2k6)
Losses: Mario (2k2), Mario (2k3), Link (2k4), Mario (2k5), Sonic (2k6)

Name: Sam Fisher
Game/Series From: Splinter Cell series
Past Contests: CB2k3, CB2k4, CB2k5
Wins: Gordon Freeman (2k4)
Losses: Magus (2k3), Samus (2k4), Donkey Kong (2k5)

Name: Simon Belmont
Game/Series From: Castlevania series
Past Contests: CB2k2
Wins: None
Losses: Crono (2k2)

Name: Raiden
Game/Series From: Metal Gear Solid 2
Past Contests: CB2k3
Wins: None
Losses: Solid Snake (2k3)

Analysis

According to the board this match is the easiest first round match to predict after Auron/Shadow. Like yesterday’s match all four characters in today’s poll have appeared in a previous contest, except this time one of them we don’t have much of a reading on and that character funny enough is the favorite to take second.

Like all the other noble nine characters Crono will take first in this poll. Not only has he already beaten one of the characters in this poll, but there isn’t that much strength in the other two characters to make Crono worry. However people will be watching his performance because with characters like Vincent and Zero in the division and couple with him not doing so well last year there could be an upset and the noble nine would fall.

Despite not knowing his true strength Raiden is the overwhelming favorite to take second. Back in 2003 he was setup against Solid Snake and suffered a huge lost and was never seen from again, but after rallying, twice he’s back. So how strong is Raiden? He’s certainly no Solid Snake, but with Raiden-hate dying down and with hype for MGS4 starting to build up I can see Raiden being as strong as a high mid-carder. I’ve seen some people hype him to be near elite, but I don’t see him being that strong. The board may be over-hyping him, but he won’t need to be that strong to take first.

In the big off-chance that Raiden is totally weak and wasn’t SFF a lot by Snake it will probably be Sam Fisher who would takes second. Sam may not be the strongest character, but he does seem like one of those characters who can thrive in this type of poll environment.

Simon Belmont will get last since the last time we saw him he hasn’t been on any Castlevania game and really only has the Belmont name to rely on for any kind of a boost. Simon may also give us an idea how well the characters from 2002 have stood against the test of time (mostly Little Mac).

While some people are calling this to be another Auron/Shadow don’t be surprised if Sam Fisher is able to keep up with Raiden. Other than that I don’t see this match being that interesting.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Crono > Raiden

charmander6000’s Prediction: Crono - 50.05%, Raiden - 20.63%, Sam Fisher - 16.82%, Simon Belmont - 12.50%

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TimJab | Posted 9/16/2007 6:28:31 PM | message detail
According to the board this match is the easiest first round match to predict after Auron/Shadow.

Sonic and Sub-Zero would like a word with you.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/16/2007 6:32:34 PM | message detail
Division 4: Round 1 - Match 15 – Crono vs. Sam Fisher vs. Simon Belmont vs. Raiden

Moltar’s Analysis

Crono
Game/Series Known From: Chrono Trigger
Seed in 2002: 5
Seed in 2003: 4
Seed in 2004: 3
Seed in 2005: 2
Seed in 2006: 1
Lost in 2002 to Mario in the Final 4
Lost in 2003 to Mario in the Elite 8
Lost in 2004 to Link in the Elite 8
Lost in 2005 to Mario in the Finals
Lost in 2006 to Sonic in the Elite 8

Red-headed wonder returns.

Sam
Game/Series Known From: Splinter Cell
Seed in 2003: 4
Seed in 2004: 7
Seed in 2005: 5
Lost in 2003 to Magus in Round 1
Lost in 2004 to Samus in Round 2
Lost in 2005 to Donkey Kong in Round 1

Sam’s back to get his butt kicked again.

Simon
Game/Series Known From: Castlevania
Seed in 2002: 12
Lost in 2002 to Crono in Round 1

Funny how he lost to Crono in 2002, and now is in the same group as him!

Raiden
Game/Series Known From: Metal Gear Solid
Seed in 2003: 16
Lost in 2003 to Solid Snake in Round 1

*does naked cartwheels of joy*

Is that some Noble Nine in my fourpack? Well, since that’s the case, we can safely say that Crono will dominate this group. So let’s get to the hotly debated battle for the second spot between…

Wait, what’s this? There is no hotly debated battle for the second spot? WHAT IS THIS SORCERY?! Even though Raiden looked bad in 2003 (and can you blame him?) he should have no trouble being stronger than Sam Fisher and Simon Belmont. Heck, I don’t even need to bring up the whole “MGS characters are doing good in this format” thing.

So, nothing too difficult here, so let’s pad my analysis with a humorous story or something!

…Wait, I can’t do that either? What do you mean I already had one of those just 2 matches ago? Well, looks like I’m in trouble here. So, what else is there to say about this one…



Okay, after thinking about this for 5 hours, I’ve got nothing! Crono in a easy first, Raiden a good distance behind, and Sam and Simon battle it out for third.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Crono > Raiden > Sam > Simon

Moltar’s Prediction is: Crono: 44% - Raiden: 25% - Sam: 17% - Simon: 14%



Ultimaterializer’s Analysis

After a FIVE YEAR BREAK, Simon Belmont returns to the field. Good grief. And he's thrown right into a rematch; in 2002, he lost in the first round to Crono.

The more things change...

Crono taking first place here is a forgone conclusion, as is Fisher taking last place. As per the norm, the fight comes down to second place. People have been coming up with wild ranges for Raiden for a good two years now, and we finally get to see what he's made of.

I personally think he'll be on the lower end of everyone's expectations, and I actually have Belmont pulling the upset. I have no real backing behind this; just a gut instinct and a belief that most of GameFAQs still hates Raiden. And I should note that Raiden is one of my favorite characters. I just have no faith in this so-called closet strength of his, but maybe I'm wrong. Who knows.

Ulti's Prediction

Crono [52.00%]
Simon Belmont [21.00%]
Raiden [20.00%]
Sam Fisher [7.00%]



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

Crono -- 50%
Raiden -- 25%
Sam Fisher -- 14%
Simon Belmont -- 11%


Aww yeah the return of Raiden. This is one guy who has been long overdue to get back into a contest to make up for the lousy match against Snake. I’m not entirely sure how this format will lend itself to him, but he’s looking to do well for himself regardless.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/16/2007 6:32:50 PM | message detail
This is a really easy match for him, too. I’ve heard some rumblings about the possibility of Simon somehow managing to get second, but I don’t see it. Not even close. Even if Raiden doesn’t end up being a good deal stronger than every non-Snake MGS character (I’d be shocked), he still would be more than capable of advancing beyond Simon Belmont of all characters. Fisher is guaranteed to be a non-factor here -- who calls Fisher one of their all-time favorites? -- and Simon will end up getting votes from a few of the Castlevania faithful, so he shouldn’t have too much problem pulling a distant third.

That leaves Raiden to take both a casual and hardcore MGS vote. Raiden’s got plenty of fans, there’s no question there. To add to an existing fanbase from MGS2, he’s had the redesign in MGS4 to alleviate some of his hatred from those who found him too “feminine” in MGS2. It should land him a spot that is safely ahead of Simon while not quite up to snuff with Crono. Speaking of which, this should be a good opportunity to see how Crono performs in this format. It’s not crucial that he go out and impress or anything, but should he not fare too well here, you can bet the Vincent > Crono will hit full speed really quick.

I’m confident in the spiky-headed dude, though. He may not be as relevant to gaming as he used to be, especially with each passing generation, but he’s still awesome. Can’t help but like the guy.

Bracket: Crono > Raiden
Vote: Raiden



Yoblazer’s Analysis

Going into today's match, I had prematurely labeled Sam Fisher's chances of upsetting Raiden as the big story. Well, **** that ****. Sam can try if he wants, and judging by Marcus Fenix's good performance and his iconic picture, he may actually come close, but the possible-yet-unlikely battle for second place has now been overshadowed.

Vincent Valentine, who is currently kicking Zelda's ass, has already begun staring across the field towards Crono and that luminous Noble 9 aura he emanates. His weapon is drawn (lol, I'm not even sure what weapon Vincent uses), Crono, and all eyes are on you. Simply put: if Crono doesn't mount a decent enough performance today, it will be the first time in contest history where a Noble 9er goes into a match as a clear underdog. Yes, Vincent was that good last year. Yes, he looks that good today. And yes, with his disappointing performance last year, Frog and Magus flopping all over the place in their matches, and the highest votals we've ever seen, Crono looks like he's in some serious danger.

I feel he has to shoot for at least the high 40's today, and even though his competition looks relatively weak, he might have to really fight for it. Simon Belmont won't do much, but Raiden might surprise some people, as Metal Gear Solid characters have done without fail so far. Sam Fisher, like Marcus Fenix and Chiefy Weefy, may be independent enough to secure his own decent block of votes as well. Should be a fun day, if not for an exciting match, then at least for some interesting speculation.

Crono - 45%
Raiden - 22%
Sam Fisher - 18%
Simon Belmont - 15%



Lopen’s Analysis

Okay, as is pretty common, first place in this match is not in dispute. And being a noble niner, I think that makes Crono a lock for second place. Right, right?
Master Moltar | Posted 9/16/2007 6:33:39 PM | message detail
... fine. Raiden can't win this match. But I do think he'll make a strong showing and take second with ease. We've seen how well MGS characters have been doing, and I don't think Raiden will be any exception. The emergence of ninja Raiden in the picture... it's interesting... does it hurt Raiden's recognizability or help him by being badass? Okay, well it definitely helps him over the infamous melting art that MGS characters so love to get, since he's not recognizable in those anyway. But really, most/all of the voting base that Raiden would be able to count on should recognize him. Whether by seeing one of the bajillion MGS4 trailers or just because he looks close enough to the normal one.

Raiden also doesn't have any anti-votes to worry about in this format, which is always good, even if I do think the hate has gone way down. But yes, being the star of Metal Gear Solid 2, one of the more popular games on GameFAQs, is no joke. I've been preaching it for years... Raiden's got some strength in him, enough to beat Sam Fisher and Simon Belmont with ease. Also, the MGS4 trailers and the format can only can only help him here.

Meanwhile, I don't expect Crono to live up to expectations in this match. For one because Simon Belmont and Raiden both scream to me "devoted fanbase," for two because... I don't expect Crono to do so well in this format, relatively, anyway. I do think he has a core fanbase... but seeing so many Squareheads talk about "character development" and "deepness" makes me think that maybe a decently sized contingent of his voting base will abandon him given many opponents. Maybe it's the fact that he's the NNer I seem to love to root against, or maybe it's just because Magus flopped so hard I can't get that out of my mind, but I just think it'll happen.

Prove me wrong, Crono.

Lopen's Prediction
Crono - 40.03%
Raiden - 26.61%
Simon Belmont - 19.06% (sorry man, you deserve more mention than I gave you in this!)
Sam Fisher - 15.30% (you do not, Mr. "I elbow things in the face repeatedly")



Karma Hunter’s Analysis

Crono

The mute protagonist of the site's most beloved old-school RPG returns. Will he disappoint this year? If Vincent is any indication, he's got a REALLY tall order ahead of him...

Sam Fisher

After a much welcome hiatus, Sam Fisher is back with yet another middlingly well-received game under his belt. I doubt this guy's strength ever changes.

Simon Belmont

Not seen since 2002, Simon Belmont comes back to prove that he can do better than the pitiful showing he gave that year. Unfortunately... it's just been that much longer since he's had a new game, and if he got "old-school SFFed" by Crono... well, look at who's in the match with him.

Raiden

The victorious parade of MGS characters continues with the biggest wildcard of them all! Raiden is the only one of 'em in this contest we haven't had *anything* resembling a read on, thanks to his SFF crushing at the hands of his Noble forerunner, Solid Snake. Today Raiden hate has (seemingly?) died down, he's wicked badass in the MGS4 trailers as a Cyborg Ninja redux (but seriously Kojima, you don't have to put one in all your games), and seeing how MGS has done this contest it's hard to not call him the favorite to come in second here.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/16/2007 6:33:55 PM | message detail
And that's where we come in. Crono has first locked up, but we've got a bit of a battle for that second spot. Fisher has his fans, but aside from the loyalty issues to think about... they're just not that large in number, really. I'd take anyone in this pack over him one-on-one, and that doesn't bode good things for him.

Belmont is gonna have to rely on casual appeal here, something that his "iconic" status in the CV series has over Crono here on this site. It's a very nebulous idea, and conditions would have to be PERFECT for him to pull this thing off ( i.e. Phoenix winning his match perfect). I'm not banking on that, because I'm not a Simon fanboy

And then there's Raiden. On the one hand the hate has *really* died down for him, in large part because of his badass appearance in the MGS4 trailers. But by that same token, many have suggested that his picture is unrecognizable and will hurt him. Honestly... I can't believe that, doubly so because I've ONLY heard it from non-MGS fans who weren't gonna vote for the guy anyway. This picture distances all the ill will he received from MGS2, and it can only mean good things for him. As I've said many times before... if Raiden can't pull this off, there's only one reason... he's weak.

...seeing as how he's beating Zero though, I think you know the score for this match !!

Karma Hunter's Vote: Raiden. ZERO MUST DIE
Karma Hunter's Krazy Prediction: Crono with 45%, Raiden with 26%, Simon Belmont with 18%, Sam Fisher with 11%

...man, it feels weird to give such a Lopen-esque figure for Raiden... then again, I wouldn't be surprised for him to pick the guy over Crono here, so heh...

Upset Probability: 0%

NO CHANCE TO LOSE ZERO IS GOING DOWN FORGET EVERYTHING ELSE I WROTE CAPS LOCK = CRUISE CONTROL FOR CHICKS



Transience’s Analysis

there's an obvious winner in this match, and for once, all eyes are on him. Chrono Trigger characters have been the single most disappointing characters in this contest so far. Frog needed a last-second rally in order to beat Axel, while Magus could barely manage 30% against three characters that hang out around the fodder line. Crono needs to, at the very least, do better than Vincent did yesterday, because it's looking more and more like Vincent is the favourite to take second behind Link going into that match.

the rest of this match is pretty boring. Raiden in all likelihood takes second, and his performance doesn't really matter much since he almost definitely takes third to Zero next round. Simon Belmont is a guy that I love, but I can't see him doing too well here, not with that picture. Sam Fisher will get his core votes, but that shouldn't put him close to Raiden. Raiden might impress here considering how well MGS characters have done thus far, but he doesn't seem like much of a "fan-favourite" to me and I wonder if that MGS4 picture will hurt him more than it helps him. he doesn't have the most unique name in the world, after all.

but this match is all about Crono. he's probably the only NN guy that fails to break 50%, but how low will he go? come on Crono, show that you're not washed up.

Crono's in trouble
needs to kick some ass today
or Vincent might win

transience's prediction: Crono with 43.33%, Raiden with 25.21%, Sam Fisher with 17.55%, Simon Belmont with 13.91%



Guest’s Analysis - Lady Ashe

It's finally here folks, the match you've all been waiting for! Forget about Vincent; we all knew he was a lock anyway, and him doing this well doesn't really prove much. Tomorrow's match is infinitely more significant, as it pretty much decides on what may well be the two most important results of the contest, in the form of Crono vs. Vincent and Zero vs. Raiden.
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