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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 484

PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/15/2007 12:26:45 PM | message detail
Yeah, Agent J and Edgeworth are both under my predictions, (5% and 12%) and Bidoof is over (14%).

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NominateSerge | Posted 9/15/2007 12:28:05 PM | message detail
Edgeworth and Agent J are right around where I figured, within a percent or so. It's just that Bidoof is taking all of that extra percentage I gave to Link...
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/15/2007 12:29:33 PM | message detail
so who else thinks its awesome that bidoof is beating edgeworth harder than edgey's beating agent j? cause i do.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/15/2007 12:31:29 PM | message detail
If FFVII/MGS SFF is to be believed, Ocelot wouldn't have come in second in Cloud's fourpack.

...except that Jill was probably SFF'd just as much as Ocelot.
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NominateSerge | Posted 9/15/2007 12:33:01 PM | message detail
Yeah, because there's great evidence for that.

Oh wait, there isn't. Good grief, I believe in overlap, but let's not slap the SFF label on everything that doesn't go according to plan.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/15/2007 12:34:19 PM | message detail
Kirby SFF's Prince of Persia beacuse i think PoP should have got mreo in that match imho

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/15/2007 12:34:24 PM | message detail
Right conclusion, wrong argument, however. Sonic is independent from NO ONE. That's why he'll suck away everyone's percentage.

What I meant was that Sonic isn't tied specifically to either Link Cloud or Snake, therefore he's independent of the other 3. Which means any support he gets comes at the expense of everyone.

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NominateSerge | Posted 9/15/2007 12:40:42 PM | message detail
But Sonic IS tied to everyone. Everyone knows who he is, and therefore he has overlap with everyone. It's just not heavily in favor of any one character.
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voltch | Posted 9/15/2007 12:43:11 PM | message detail
we should really one day update our use of terms.
SFF is becoming a really vague and overused sigle.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/15/2007 12:43:23 PM | message detail
But Sonic IS tied to everyone. Everyone knows who he is, and therefore he has overlap with everyone. It's just not heavily in favor of any one character.

That's what we mean by "independent" when used in the stats topic. Someone's independent unless there's a heavy overlap with the other characters. For example, in Ryu's match, he was the most independent character, by a long shot.
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NominateSerge | Posted 9/15/2007 12:44:23 PM | message detail
But I still wouldn't call him independent. That implies that he has the fewest ties, which is ridiculous.
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 9/15/2007 12:44:42 PM | message detail
Link is going to break 70% very soon at this rate. o_O

Is this still considered a disappointment? ;p
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Mumei | Posted 9/15/2007 12:52:08 PM | message detail
What is Link's highest personal vote total?

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NominateSerge | Posted 9/15/2007 12:53:13 PM | message detail
92998 against AiAi.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/15/2007 12:58:50 PM | message detail
I said if Link didn't soundly get over 75%, the match would have to be considered a big disappointment for him. Especially considering that some people were calling for above 80, including me.
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Mumei | Posted 9/15/2007 12:59:47 PM | message detail
Was that with or without the rallying, Exxy?

I'm happy with 72 - 73% given that.

Also, is he going to break his old record?

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/15/2007 1:03:15 PM | message detail
The only reason this is disappointing at all is probably because we underestimated Bidoof. Link is still going to win the contest, Cloud doesn't have a chance, etc. etc.

I'm not fooling myself again.
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 9/15/2007 1:03:38 PM | message detail
There was no way that Link was going to get 80%. Bidoof and Miles, however weak they are, still have a loyal/fad-based fanbase. I'm sure both would whoop AiAi's ass.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/15/2007 1:10:57 PM | message detail
But Sonic IS tied to everyone. Everyone knows who he is, and therefore he has overlap with everyone. It's just not heavily in favor of any one character.

Which is word for word what I said. Are you blind or something?

Sonic is not Nintendo, not Squaresoft and not Konami, therefore he's independent from the other 3 and will take everyone's support due to fans in all 3 other camps preferring Sonic over Link/Cloud/Snake

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charmander6000 | Posted 9/15/2007 1:25:49 PM | message detail
I never saw how anyone could have expected Link to get 80%, all three characters had to get under 7% for that to happen. I predicted 72% and even then I thought I was going a little too high.
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ZFS | Posted 9/15/2007 1:27:25 PM | message detail
why in the world is this match getting so many posts

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/15/2007 1:27:27 PM | message detail
The three characters are complete turds though. It was well within the realm of possibility.
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NominateSerge | Posted 9/15/2007 1:39:32 PM | message detail
Which is word for word what I said. Are you blind or something?

No, it's not. The term "independent" is erroneous because Sonic ISN'T independent. He's equally tied to everyone. "Independent" would be Marcus Fenix in his matches.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/15/2007 1:45:08 PM | message detail
....

I think I need to try this GameFOX block thing that everyone keeps talking about.

An example of dependence would be Ganon and Link's relationship.

An example independence would be Link and Sonic's relationship.

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NominateSerge | Posted 9/15/2007 1:46:26 PM | message detail
...But Sonic ISN'T independent of ANYONE. The lack of SFF doesn't mean independence. Sonic overlaps with EVERYONE.
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andaca | Posted 9/15/2007 1:47:35 PM | message detail
Think of it like a real world election. A full blown Independent candidate is very likely going to have ties with the other candidates, and will likely still be drawing support from all of them because the Indepedent's stances on issues are probably going to make them the preferred candidate to people across the political spsectrum. However, they are still considered Independent because they are not primarily associated with any one candidate/party above of the rest.
YoAriel33 | Posted 9/15/2007 1:47:41 PM | message detail
Link and Sonic share a home on at least three different consoles. They aren't independent of each other, but more independent than, say, Cloud and Sephiroth or Mario and Samus.
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ZFS | Posted 9/15/2007 1:54:36 PM | message detail
Oh my...

Did we really discuss Link losing to Cloud based off of this?

Link's performance here is only "disappointing" relative to the wild expectations some of us had of him getting 80%, 85% and some even saying 90%. It's pretty clear that in this format, you have to be...special to get below 10%. Link getting 70% here is impressive -- nearly 10% more than what Cloud got.

Now, I am all for Cloud kicking some ass, but it won't be off of Link's "weakness" here. If you look at last year, Cloud got 36% to Link's 45% with only Snake in the match. Throw Sonic in there and, depending on how much you think he hurts Link instead of Cloud, there may yet be a possibility -- but it's tiny. Link's likelihood of winning hasn't suffered one iota from yesterday, which I'm sure is what the conclusion was, but it needs to be repeated!

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Mumei | Posted 9/15/2007 2:00:21 PM | message detail
Hm.

Averaged something like 5300 votes / hour over the past four hours (and ~4600 this last hour, so apparently tapering down now).

Odds on 100,000 individual votes?

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/15/2007 2:01:44 PM | message detail
Yeah, that's what I meant. There is some overlap, but certainly not enough to entertain a Cloud > Link upset.

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ZFS | Posted 9/15/2007 2:02:12 PM | message detail
Link and Sonic share a home on at least three different consoles. They aren't independent of each other, but more independent than, say, Cloud and Sephiroth or Mario and Samus.

That's about how I feel it is, too.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/15/2007 2:04:02 PM | message detail
I don't think he'll get 100,000

It's a weekend, so the majority of the voting would take place in the afternoon. Like you said it's tapering down, Link would need about 5,500 votes/hour to get 100,000

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TexasAggie | Posted 9/15/2007 2:05:35 PM | message detail
Im siding with Serge here. While Link and ganon is extreme SFF, Link and sonic is still minor SFF. Look no further than pac-Man. he'd beat Revolver straight up, but he got SFFed by mario because of the big overlap of people who only knew who Mario and Pac-Man are.
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Mumei | Posted 9/15/2007 2:06:14 PM | message detail
He'd need 4,167 votes / hour to reach 100,000 - and he's averaging ~4,670 for the match.

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ZFS | Posted 9/15/2007 2:07:05 PM | message detail
itd only be 13000 more than what cloud got anyways

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NominateSerge | Posted 9/15/2007 2:17:35 PM | message detail
He'll have a hard time maintaining that pace for the last few hours.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/15/2007 2:25:32 PM | message detail
It's not the best way to look at it...but Link's got over 80% of 100,000 votes with more than 25% of the match-time left. Also, as already mentioned, Cloud got about 87,500 votes with two opponents that are tougher than anybody Link's facing. The match will definitely slow down towards the end, but I'm still not ruling out a potential 100,000 votes for Link.

Time'll tell though. I don't know what this match's expected vote total is looking like right now.....
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Mumei | Posted 9/15/2007 2:26:30 PM | message detail
Yeah, just looked...

He needs to average ~2,950 votes for the next 7 hours to make it.

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charmander6000 | Posted 9/15/2007 2:28:26 PM | message detail
At the current pace and if Link gets 70% he'll finish with 102k
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/15/2007 2:30:49 PM | message detail
I'm actually rather impessed with Link here. I was doubting he'd even hit 70%.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/15/2007 2:40:19 PM | message detail
I never saw why anyone saw him near 80% after some of the N9 matches. I guess it's the excitement or something.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/15/2007 3:03:32 PM | message detail
Oh wait, not sure why I mistook 69,000 for 60,000

Disregard my previous post

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/15/2007 3:28:54 PM | message detail
I was just thinking about a games contest, Guitar Hero has the potential to be a decent force if we ever get one. It's one of the few "casual" games that are "acceptable" by the elitist horde on this site.

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metoolfan | Posted 9/15/2007 3:30:51 PM | message detail
*looks at treatment of hochiminh*

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Yeah, this is the stats topic.
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Cecil XIX | Posted 9/15/2007 3:43:09 PM | message detail
So, how well does "Pokemon Trainer" do if he gets into this contest? If he looks like Ash/Red, I'd say he could be an upper midcarder.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/15/2007 3:46:08 PM | message detail
Oh, you don't like that? Y'see, that's too bad - because having nothing to do with the stats topic, I'm Karma Hunter, and if someone acts like a douche I'm gonna call 'em on it and belittle 'em to boot. If that makes me an elitist, I embrace it. And if you don't like it - get out. NOW.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/15/2007 3:46:15 PM | message detail
I wouldn't say upper mid-carder because that's probably equal or past Mewtwo. I'd like to say he's below him.
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NominateSerge | Posted 9/15/2007 3:46:57 PM | message detail
Upper midcarder is past MEWTWO. Let's not get carried away here.
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Cecil XIX | Posted 9/15/2007 3:54:35 PM | message detail
So where would he be on the Pokemon chain? I hope he'd be stronger than Pikachu.
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Pondos | Posted 9/15/2007 3:56:18 PM | message detail
Why does gameFAQs hate Pikachu?
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