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RockMFR 5 | Posted 9/11/2007 9:40:16 PM | message detail
Washing Machine Banjo >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fox

*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.GameFAQsContests.com
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19


*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Extrapolated Standings for All Contests (links to all brackets are on the left):
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/


*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html


*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm


*Match Pictures*

All the match pics, and thanks to RockMFR for finding the missing ones!
http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php


*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
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UltimaterializerX's Contest Sites (some offensive language):
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

NGamer64's Archive Site and (lol) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language):
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

A List of Acronyms, A Lesson on Percentages, and Some Odd Matches:
http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm

All Time Top 10 Lists:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/summer2002stats.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/summer2003stats.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/spring2004stats.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/summer2004stats.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/spring2005stats.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/summer2005stats.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/july2006stats.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/summer2006stats.htm

HaRRicH's Fourpack of Fun Board:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007

TRE's poll listing (every poll!):
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Polls.html

Aprosenf's Poll Script:
http://adamrose.mit.edu/allpolls.txt

GameFAQs' Top 100 Games
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/top10

Manual Poll Updater:
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/pollupdate.php

!yawa tsoP
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/11/2007 9:40:48 PM | message detail
Zero > Crono/Vincent

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wavedash101 | Posted 9/11/2007 9:44:04 PM | message detail
New Bangai-O for DS!!!

oh wate wrong topix lol

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ejm5446 | Posted 9/11/2007 9:47:10 PM | message detail
Overall Rankings - Votes

87,496 Cloud Strife
74,190 Sephiroth
70,743 Mega Man
70,546 Samus Aran
64,530 Auron
55,989 Yoshi
49,668 Ryu (Street Fighter)
47,724 Scorpion
44,524 Marcus Fenix
43,939 Knuckles the Echidna
42,830 Rikku
39,184 Bowser
39,183 Shadow the Hedgehog
38,712 Kefka
34,156 Mewtwo
32,182 Midna
27,474 Kratos Aurion
25,822 KOS-MOS
25,410 Frog
25,282 Axel
25,256 Revolver Ocelot
24,453 Meta Knight
24,141 Pyramid Head
22,874 Agent 47
22,614 Tom Nook
22,248 Jill Valentine
21,950 Arthas Menethil
21,603 Diablo
21,338 Chris Redfield
20,613 Princess Peach
15,164 Zelos Wilder
15,075 Sarah Kerrigan
15,068 CATS
15,064 Vaan
13,875 Toad
7,874 Midgar Zolom


Overall Rankings - PCT

61.24% Cloud Strife
55.23% Sephiroth
51.75% Samus Aran
50.49% Mega Man
43.25% Auron
36.79% Marcus Fenix
36.64% Scorpion
36.29% Ryu (Street Fighter)
35.48% Yoshi
31.99% Kefka
28.63% Bowser
27.84% Knuckles the Echidna
27.14% Rikku
26.26% Shadow the Hedgehog
24.95% Mewtwo
24.71% Midna
21.09% Kratos Aurion
18.69% Tom Nook
18.64% Frog
18.55% Axel
18.43% KOS-MOS
18.20% Meta Knight
17.68% Revolver Ocelot
17.56% Agent 47
16.18% Pyramid Head
15.67% Arthas Menethil
15.57% Jill Valentine
15.42% Diablo
15.35% Princess Peach
14.30% Chris Redfield
12.53% Zelos Wilder
11.22% CATS
11.06% Sarah Kerrigan
10.14% Toad
9.54% Vaan
5.51% Midgar Zolom
TexasAggie | Posted 9/11/2007 9:50:39 PM | message detail
Zero is a midcarder now. Vincent and Crono have enough strength to go around to still beat him.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/11/2007 9:55:51 PM | message detail
:)

<3 Fox.
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Who Cares? | Posted 9/11/2007 9:57:15 PM | message detail
SHOW ME YOUR MOVES!
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RockMFR 5 | Posted 9/11/2007 10:36:52 PM | message detail
I think the Magus/Sephiroth SFF will be just as bad as any Fox/Mario SFF. That is, if Magus can even get to that round - if Magus drops anymore, Big Boss/Pac-Man could put up a serious fight.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2007 10:37:31 PM | message detail
These discussion based 500 posts are blasphemy! MADNESS!
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creativename | Posted 9/11/2007 10:37:57 PM | message detail
I'm a bit surprised by how badly Banjo is doing. I thought he'd do better.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2007 10:38:08 PM | message detail
That is, if Magus can even get to that round - if Magus drops anymore, Big Boss/Pac-Man could put up a serious fight.

what

that does it I'm gone
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/11/2007 10:38:43 PM | message detail
I was wondering why it wouldn't let me post... it hit 500.

In response to KH:
With Arthas/Diablo, I think part of the blame is that Diablo doesn't do so well in a multi-option poll. It's hard to say. (Arthas' picture, too?)

With Mewtwo/Bowser, I think it's because Toad caused Bowser to do a bit worse in relation to Mewtwo.

As for MK/Peach... I think it just shows that SFF isn't as big of a factor as we thought, especially among characters of a different series. (see Frog/Axel, too) I'm just hoping my idea here is true, so that Ryu has a real legitimate shot against Bowser next round.

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ZFS | Posted 9/11/2007 10:38:47 PM | message detail
I also don't forget Mario's beatdown against chumps like Ness and the like. But Fox has always seemed "different" to me, especially at this stage of SSBM's popularity.

Fox is above the likes of Ness, but we honestly don't have a good idea of where he's going to be at. Anyon calling anything for him based on this is getting crazy. I don't have any problem seeing Mario, Link or any of the kings of Nintendo SFF having any trouble smacking Fox around like he's nothing. The worry about SSBM is starting to reach the "Zeldafear" levels, if you ask me. SSBM or no, Mario would make Fox look terrible.

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YoAriel33 | Posted 9/11/2007 10:39:43 PM | message detail
I'm a bit surprised by how badly Banjo is doing. I thought he'd do better.

Same, but we might have been influenced by the previous rounds. Being the lone non-Nintendo character (well, the character with the least Nintendo ties, anyway) probably won't account for much if people barely have a reason to consider you.
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creativename | Posted 9/11/2007 10:40:50 PM | message detail
I think the Magus/Sephiroth SFF will be just as bad as any Fox/Mario SFF. That is, if Magus can even get to that round - if Magus drops anymore, Big Boss/Pac-Man could put up a serious fight.

Again, the thing is that Magus/Sephiroth SFF/LFF needs to be much worse. Since Magus is stronger it could be worse, but by enough?

Also I don't see Big Boss as a threat to Magus. Pac-Man I could see challenging Magus in the right situation, but not with Mario there.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/11/2007 10:42:00 PM | message detail
Pac-Man/Crono/Magus/Frog. GO!

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Xuxon | Posted 9/11/2007 10:42:25 PM | message detail
If anyone's going to upset Magus, it's Phoenix. Yeah... not happening.
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creativename | Posted 9/11/2007 10:42:49 PM | message detail
With Arthas/Diablo, I think part of the blame is that Diablo doesn't do so well in a multi-option poll. It's hard to say. (Arthas' picture, too?)

With Mewtwo/Bowser, I think it's because Toad caused Bowser to do a bit worse in relation to Mewtwo.

As for MK/Peach... I think it just shows that SFF isn't as big of a factor as we thought, especially among characters of a different series. (see Frog/Axel, too) I'm just hoping my idea here is true, so that Ryu has a real legitimate shot against Bowser next round.


I agree with pretty much everything you said, except that I think in general, SFF/LFF is *huge* factor in this contest. I just don't think it was particularly the case in that Meta Knight/Peach match.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2007 10:43:03 PM | message detail
The worry about SSBM is starting to reach the "Zeldafear" levels, if you ask me.

Perhaps you're right. After all BUT OH GOOD GRAVY META KNIGHT FOR PETE'S SAKE IT WAS FREAKIN' META KNIGHT
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/11/2007 10:44:12 PM | message detail
Or maybe I'm just hanging around this board too much. =/ FOX FOR 2K7 CHAMP

Now there's a damn good idea!
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creativename | Posted 9/11/2007 10:44:30 PM | message detail
Pac-Man/Crono/Magus/Frog. GO!

Crono>Pac-Man seems like the easy choice, actually.
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Keno316 | Posted 9/11/2007 10:46:24 PM | message detail
Crono > Pac is freaking obvious.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/11/2007 10:49:55 PM | message detail
I'm not sure Magus would get SFF'd all that much in that match. Magus held up decently against Crono back in 2004.
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Xuxon | Posted 9/11/2007 10:54:12 PM | message detail
The idea is the split alone would be enough. Magus maintains his proportion with Crono, but Pac-Man takes like 25% of the votes, leading to something like

Crono 44%
Magus 19%
Frog 14%
Pac-Man 23%
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2007 10:59:38 PM | message detail
Pac would probably be doing alright to nab 25% against Crono alone. Against all three? I'm thinking he wouldn't have an easy time getting 20%...
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Xuxon | Posted 9/11/2007 11:01:41 PM | message detail
Eh? I'd take Pac to get like 30% on Crono alone.
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Lopen | Posted 9/11/2007 11:16:53 PM | message detail
So does the crumbling of CATS, joke entry extraordinaire, have anyone in here doubting their L-Block picks later this round? I'd be pretty weary of Laharl at this point.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/11/2007 11:22:12 PM | message detail
Just for fun: if Captain Falcon is announced on the SSBB-site in about an hour, would that help CF win/seal the deal?
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/11/2007 11:22:33 PM | message detail
No.

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/11/2007 11:23:05 PM | message detail
I've always doubted L-Blocked to an extent, though he and CATS aren't so similar...but it's going to be tough for him, regardless.
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Big Bob | Posted 9/11/2007 11:23:38 PM | message detail
Zolom bombing + CATS bombing = Edgeworth > Bidoof
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/11/2007 11:25:33 PM | message detail
It would have no effect on this match, whatsoever.

Zero > Crono/Vincent? pfft.

Snake > Megaman
Raiden > Zero
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Xuxon | Posted 9/11/2007 11:26:02 PM | message detail
Edgeworth is also part of a fad, and the Bidoof fad is so niche I wouldn't be surprised if Edgeworth gets relatively more support from the fad than Bidoof.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/11/2007 11:27:09 PM | message detail
lol fad SFF
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/11/2007 11:27:20 PM | message detail
Does anyone have a pic of Agent J?

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Xuxon | Posted 9/11/2007 11:30:33 PM | message detail
I'm not saying fad SFF, I'm trying to guess how much of their strength will be from their respective fads. Although Bidoof's (and Zolom) pretty much a joke even if you don't know about the fad, unlike Edgeworth and CATS.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/11/2007 11:36:59 PM | message detail
Yeah, to be serious here I'm starting to feel really crummy about Bidoof and Mudkipz.
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RockMFR 5 | Posted 9/11/2007 11:38:47 PM | message detail
I'm guessing that the number of people who kept a Bidoof on their team until the end of the game exceeds the number of people who have played a game in the Phoenix Wright series.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/11/2007 11:44:16 PM | message detail
TRE probably has the numbers on that particular Bidoof-stat..... =)
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Big Bob | Posted 9/11/2007 11:49:23 PM | message detail
Bidoof is worthless. You get Starly and Shinx around the same time as him, and they're both 50x better. As soon as players start to realize Bidoof isn't worth crap, they dump him.
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creativename | Posted 9/11/2007 11:57:54 PM | message detail
So does the crumbling of CATS, joke entry extraordinaire, have anyone in here doubting their L-Block picks later this round? I'd be pretty weary of Laharl at this point.

No, I don't think people will treat L-Block like a joke vote. Once they realize what it is they'll treat it like Tetris.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 9/11/2007 11:58:34 PM | message detail
Also, L-Block is funnier than CATS.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/11/2007 11:58:42 PM | message detail
Agent J. Pic?

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Draco1214 | Posted 9/11/2007 11:58:56 PM | message detail
People are really overestimating the potential of the L-Block, especially in the face of Laharl's dedicated fanbase.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/12/2007 12:07:16 AM | message detail
After SSBB comes out, do you think Meta Knight could be even with Fox McCloud?

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/12/2007 12:11:59 AM | message detail
Everyone in the Guru Challenge picked Mario to come in 1st, of course, but here's how it split down between Big Boss & Pac-Man:

Big Boss
Ngamer
Ulti
Mac Arrowny
Big Bob
Draco
Lugia
expaniol
chaosarcher
The Real Truth
Megaman
Brett
kbmusiclover
Scythe Marshall
Dekar
greatone
Logicblade
Gaddswell
Jakyl
Acronym
Tomoyo
yazzy
transience
supersonicfan
WhakkoJacko
Midget (SSS)
Majin Lou
Osfan
Janus
Pats D
plasmabeam
raytan
Yesmar
RayDyn
yoshifan
Miss Rydia
hochiminh
Harmonica
Biolizard
Forceful Dragon
dowolf
amyvitality
Fett
Mega Mana
DomaDragoon
arkenaga
Jecht
Haste2
iubaris
Lopen
voltch
Buzzup
Sephirot
Luis_Sera
steve illumina
Tediz
Applekidjosh
LinkLegend
Ringworm
DpObliVion
Lieutenant Kettch
XIII
BBallman
MasterMage
ChichiriMuyo
Dante
Ed Bellis
link vs cloud
TRE
yoblazer
Silverflame
Tweeeked
MetaRidley
red sox
SonicTheLegend
Master Moltar
Kaxon
Harrich
Naye
Taslion
Xtremeblur
Rufus Shinra
Lady Ashe
Tequilla Gundam
KrahenProphet
Xuxon
King Morgoth
cyko
MarioSuperstar
FastFalcon
ObscureMammoth
Radix
swirldude
Tjian

Pac-Man
SonicLink
Ayvuir
linkhatesganon
Smurf
BesaidGuy
Yonex
Hiko
Soul
GrapefruitKing
ff6man
RPGuy
SonicRaptor
NClark
SF_Clowns
TomNook
outsider
entropyx
Chinballz
randomname
Black Turtle
choco
YoboD
Menji
alblito
Tirofog
Zylo the wolf
Lagoona
warning_crazy
Jay Lv99
charmander
Lightning Strikes
Explicit Content
dethetc
Alvis
MegatokyoEd
Rhyhorn
Jack White
Alanna
MadGamer
Aprosenf
HanoftheNekos
shadow
VicPez
cavedog
TheRye
jonthomson
Jman_gamer
FFDragon
Redtooth
RockMFR
Guess teens
octoinky
WiggumFan
neonreaper
Tnote
KleenexTissue
Jmast
Scorpion
canadiancatcher
captaincanadian
andylt
Sabin Figaro
Mithrandir
Z1mZum
AlecTrevelyan
White_Rabbit
The Raven
Shoenin_Kakashi
A worlds envy
VileRequiem
Dilated Chemist
DaruniaTheGoron
DragonsFury
Sir Chris
Cokes
junglebob
MMXcalibur
GreatGen
ps2rulez
Phediuk
Xcarvenger
Warsola
My Immortal
capatillistpiglet
stingers
outback
MoogleKupo
somdude
meche

Interesting.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2007 12:36:48 AM | message detail
Hmm... Wario might have quietly put this away for good when I wasn't paying attention.

Which means the only thing to watch out for is how much more Banjo is going to suck it up as the poll goes on...
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transience | Posted 9/12/2007 12:42:53 AM | message detail
500 votes definitely isn't "put this away for good" territory in my eyes. not when Meta-Knight swung about 3000 votes yesterday.

I still think I'd rather have Falcon here, though we won't know for a couple of hours.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/12/2007 12:45:28 AM | message detail
Meta Knight was in front on Peach the entire match.

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Haste_2 | Posted 9/12/2007 12:49:34 AM | message detail
At the least we could probably say that C. Falcon won't be beating Wario as handily as MK did to Peach.

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