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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 12:12:18 PM | message detail
If anything, the Silent Hill movie gave PH more of a mainstream fanbase than before, and the results of this contest so far have shown mainstream > "hardcore"

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/9/2007 12:12:52 PM | message detail
No.No.No.No.No.No.No.No.No.No.No.No.No.No.No.No.No.No.No.No.

Turtle you did it wrong. It's:

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/9/2007 12:13:32 PM | message detail
What, did you expect Zelos to be a bastion of strength? He was going to be bad fodder anyway. Sure, he got killed way worse than what we were expecting, but he's not the ToS fan favorite. Honestly, a lot of people dislike Zelos, now that I think about it. He was one of my least favorite characters for a long time. I can see why a lot of people would dislike him if they don't take the time to figure out his backstory. Plus, you don't see him for half the game anyway, and his design isn't that appealing. Kratos getting closer to Midna than she got to Scorpion is what I prefer to look at!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/9/2007 12:15:33 PM | message detail
And I figure Leon's the exception to this RE suckiness, but is anyone having second thoughts about taking him as far as they did in the bracket?
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/9/2007 12:19:27 PM | message detail
Nah. Leon's gonna own faces.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/9/2007 12:21:20 PM | message detail
Leon doesn't have an easy path though.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 12:22:51 PM | message detail
I'm not. Leon's a proven character. There's no doubt behind any of his matches, and him being the RE4 lead has given him such a seperate fanbase from Jill that he should be able to get as far as I have him.

Actually, right now the only thing I'm worried about is Balthier. If Pikachu goes as far as I have him, then it will be Leon and Balthier duking it out for second in that match. I took Leon as my safety incase my Pikachu dark horsyness doesn't pan out.

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Xuxon | Posted 9/9/2007 12:23:02 PM | message detail
Well, I feel as good as I ever have about not having him in round 3. Obviously he'll still make it out of round 2.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/9/2007 12:25:00 PM | message detail
Haha, Pikachu.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/9/2007 12:28:03 PM | message detail
lol Pikachu in Round 3.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 12:31:12 PM | message detail
People were saying lol marcus 2 weeks ago.

So I suggest you stop making fun of my upset picks. I'm 1/1 so far.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/9/2007 12:37:27 PM | message detail
looking at Shadow's updates, I was at least right about his morning vote being better than his day vote.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/9/2007 12:37:56 PM | message detail
I actually didn't doubt Marcus. I had him in Round 3 for a while. Pikachu, however, is different.
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Xuxon | Posted 9/9/2007 12:42:27 PM | message detail
Marcus was never a lol-worthy upset. He was a new entrant and most people figured him to be only a little weaker than Kefka anyway.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 12:45:46 PM | message detail
We'll see.

Whether he makes it or not, I have a feeling Pikachu is going to surprise alot of you guys

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AYViation | Posted 9/9/2007 12:46:35 PM | message detail
I didnt expect Marcus to do well, mainly cos of lol xobox. Maybe this means Master Chief will be a lot stronger this year because of a potentially wider xobox fanbase....and halo 3.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/9/2007 12:47:24 PM | message detail
Whether he makes it or not, I have a feeling Pikachu is going to surprise alot of you guys

Pikachu to win the Contest confirmed
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 12:48:27 PM | message detail
Master Chief was always guarenteed to be a beast this contest. The only doubts are behind what will happen in his first round match. If Yuna chokes hard there, I'm going to use that as an excuse to plug my Zero upset even more.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 12:52:55 PM | message detail
I think some of you guys get so caught up in the stats that you fail to see the bigger picture. Especially stats from 4 years ago. Remember Kairi/Claire when people were saying "13th place in the 2k2 X-stats, Claire is a lock"? They failed to realize that higher votals would hurt Resident Evil characters not from 4, and would help someone fresh out of Kingdom Hearts 2. Same thing with Pikachu. Since 2k3, Pokemon hate has gone down drastically. He has both a hardcore Pokemon community and recognizability outside of his main series thanks to Smash. And of all the characters in all his matches, higher votals would benefit him the most. Taking him over Vivi/Teedus is a risk, but people putting Serge over him are just being silly. We're talking the emotionless lead from the piece of crap sequel to a great game. There's no way he comes close to Pika 1v1, let alone with teedus in there taking all the Square votes.

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TRE Public Account | Posted 9/9/2007 1:11:19 PM | message detail
Remember Kairi/Claire when people were saying "13th place in the 2k2 X-stats, Claire is a lock"?

Who? Most people don't put much stock in 2k2 stats. Even fewer thought that Claire's ranking was legit.

[Pikachu] has both a hardcore Pokemon community

No, no he doesn't. The hardcore Pokemon community actively anti-votes Pikachu.

recognizability outside of his main series thanks to Smash.

Pikachu has never had problems with not being recognizable enough. Even without Smash Bros, the number of people who come to this site and not know who Pikachu is is close to zero.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/9/2007 1:11:42 PM | message detail
Tidus isn't the only one in Round 2. there's Vivi as well.
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Lady Ashe | Posted 9/9/2007 1:14:25 PM | message detail
From BlAcK TuRtLe Posted 9/9/2007 3:31:12 PM #211
People were saying lol marcus 2 weeks ago.

So I suggest you stop making fun of my upset picks. I'm 1/1 so far.

TuRtLe


...Nobody was saying "lol marcus". What the hell are you talking about?
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creativename | Posted 9/9/2007 1:17:09 PM | message detail
All but a few had expected Halo/SC to come right down to the wire; no one, anywhere, saw this one coming. A 4+ million selling
PS2 Square RPG losing to a fighting game? Many gave up on KH after the early Day Vote continued to favor SC, but an improbable
late-afternoon swing somehow shifted voting entirely in KH's favor, leaving analysts baffled.

Guess we didn't know about the midday vote then.


Actually that recap is just incorrect, Kingdom Hearts was expected to come back. I remember the only thing surprising was how slow and deliberate the comeback was; Soul Calibur was expected to collapse in the day.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 1:21:17 PM | message detail
MarioSuperstar
Posted 9/9/2007 4:11:42 PM
#221 Tidus isn't the only one in Round 2. there's Vivi as well.


Exactly the reason I took Pike to round 3.

You saw what Arthas and Diablo did to eachother, allowing the weaker KOS-MOS to get through.

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Keno316 | Posted 9/9/2007 1:27:25 PM | message detail
...I'd still take KOSMOS over Diablo...even if I'm just crazy...
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TRE Public Account | Posted 9/9/2007 1:29:09 PM | message detail
KOS-MOS was really close to Diablo to begin with. Tidus would come close to doubling Pikachu. Vivi could slash Tidus to half strength and Pikachu might still not win.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/9/2007 1:31:14 PM | message detail
You saw what Arthas and Diablo did to eachother, allowing the weaker KOS-MOS to get through.

Yeah, just look at today's poll! If Chris wasn't here, Pyramid Head would clearly be beating Shadow.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/9/2007 1:49:17 PM | message detail
Oh jesus christ we have a Pikachu discussion in here. >>>XD
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 1:53:39 PM | message detail
KOS-MOS was really close to Diablo to begin with. Tidus would come close to doubling Pikachu. Vivi could slash Tidus to half strength and Pikachu might still not win.

"HAY GUYZ! WATCH ME USE OUTDATED STATS TO SHOOT DOWN A PERFECTLY REASONABLE UPSET PICK!"

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 1:54:55 PM | message detail
And KOS-MOS close to Diablo? This year she began her downward spiral of popularity.

Xenosaga is done, and she's about to go the same way Vyse and the ToS characters went.

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TRE Public Account | Posted 9/9/2007 2:04:22 PM | message detail
Caps Lock != Cruise Control for cool. <_<

You never actually stated which part you disagree with. The Tidus and Pikachu part of my post doesn't even line up with the stats. >_>

And KOS-MOS close to Diablo? This year she began her downward spiral of popularity.

KOS-MOS 2k6 was higher than Diablo 2k5. If she falls a bit she lands... beside Diablo. Even if she was a bit overrated in 2k6, she still not that far from Diablo.
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Keno316 | Posted 9/9/2007 2:07:54 PM | message detail
KOSMOS really hasn't look like she's been in a decline at all yet...Sure, her match with Luigi seemed bad for her, but Luigi himself has been plenty strong afterwards...
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/9/2007 2:10:21 PM | message detail
KOS-MOS is probably going to begin dropping, yes.

But Diablo hasn't exactly had a game in over 5 years either. While the door is still open for D3, it hasn't happened yet.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 2:26:35 PM | message detail
KOS-MOS was in the female division. That alone voids any numbers on her in my mind.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 2:27:43 PM | message detail
Diablo's games are alot more timeless than random flavour of the year RPG. Like I said, just look at Vyse or the ToS crew. Their games were basically "fad" games, like Xenosaga was. Now that the fad is over, KOS-MOS is nowhere near where she was before.

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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 9/9/2007 2:32:28 PM | message detail
We need a Toad vs. Frog match next year. Who do you take?
ZFS | Posted 9/9/2007 2:35:17 PM | message detail
Oh jesus christ we have a Pikachu discussion in here.

Dammit BT!

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ZFS | Posted 9/9/2007 2:39:14 PM | message detail
I don't think Bowser is going to be overly hurt by Mewtwo and Toad tomorrow. Look at today's poll - Survival Horror is not a big genre at this site, yet Pyramid Head and Chris together are outdoing Shadow. They're clearly not hurt by each other's presence - that should carry over tomorrow, especially since Nintendo is so much bigger here.

I agree with this.

I'm not expecting Bowser to be hurt to the degree that some folks are mentioning. It'll keep him from being clearly ahead of everyone else, but I still think he'll end up pulling first place here.

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Lopen | Posted 9/9/2007 2:40:00 PM | message detail
So lemme get this straight, you're using KOS-MOS outdoing Diablo this year as support for her popularity going down, and Diablo being "timeless?" Give me a break. Any SFF in Diablo/Arthas is speculation, and I don't buy it, frankly. People are not company drones... and the only thing we know as absolute fact is that she beat him.

And Toad vs Frog would be pretty hilarious. For obvious reasons... and also because it'd have a pretty mighty day vote swing, and I think Toad makes it a lot closer than most would give him credit for.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/9/2007 2:53:33 PM | message detail
Why did the tables on creative's site turn upside down?

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Gaddswell | Posted 9/9/2007 3:01:03 PM | message detail
20% update from Chris out of nowhere.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 3:13:37 PM | message detail
It's not so much that Arthas and Diablo are Blizzard characters so much as they were the sole PC characters in the poll. You may disagree, but there's a good enough overlap that I would take either of them to handily beat the crap out of KOS-MOS.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/9/2007 3:24:14 PM | message detail
KOS-MOS's last game came out a year ago. There's no reason for her to start dropping so suddenly.

Toad would have a better match with Midgar Zolom than he would with Frog
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Xuxon | Posted 9/9/2007 3:24:19 PM | message detail
Why did the tables on creative's site turn upside down?

They're not upside down for me. Did you click the "Time" link? Because that's always been upside down compared to the regular update URL.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/9/2007 3:25:49 PM | message detail
Considering they are Blizzard characters based on PC multi-player games and that many of the people in the WoW forum said they were going to vote for Diablo instead...there's a definite overlap. I wouldn't say SFF since we saw they were practically even, but they were almost certainly fighting over a certain segment of GameFAQs's fanbase.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/9/2007 3:30:03 PM | message detail
You saw what Arthas and Diablo did to eachother, allowing the weaker KOS-MOS to get through.

1. I'd probably take KOS-MOS over Pikachu.

2. Tidus is further away from Pikachu than KOS-MOS was from Diablo.

3. Pikachu isn't even that strong to begin with. replace him with him with say, Ness, and I'd still have Vivi/Tidus advancing.
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Xuxon | Posted 9/9/2007 3:30:06 PM | message detail
Toad being near Zolom is laughable, unless you think Zolom is around the fodderline and was SFFed to hell.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/9/2007 3:33:48 PM | message detail
hmm.. Frog vs Toad is pretty much dependable on his relation to Peach. my gut tells me Toad is just as liked as Peach is. with the rise of Nintendo, I'd probably take Toad. wouldn't feel all too comfortable, though.

Toad > Zolom easily.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/9/2007 3:35:47 PM | message detail
but then again, all Toad really has is Mario Kart and Peach does have SSBM... maybe I'd take Frog.
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TRE Public Account | Posted 9/9/2007 3:46:50 PM | message detail
KOS-MOS was in the female division. That alone voids any numbers on her in my mind.

Her 2k5 value isn't too good. You could take her 2k4 value. She's even had two of her 3 games since then so she shouldn't be too much weaker than that. And so she lands... beside Diablo.

What value do you think KOS-MOS is at then?

Like I said, just look at Vyse or the ToS crew. Their games were basically "fad" games, like Xenosaga was. Now that the fad is over, KOS-MOS is nowhere near where she was before.

Lloyd, Sheena and Zelos have only been in one contest match so they can't be used to determine if ToS is fading away or not. Kratos looked just fine in his match. And that Kratos scored 43% on Diablo. Last we saw of Vyse was two years of consistancy and then a bad match against Tifa. Keep in mind Skies of Arcadia came out in 2000. Xenosaga 3 was last year. KOS-MOS still has a few good years.
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