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__hiei__ | Posted 9/9/2007 9:14:11 AM | message detail
Auron goes below 43% for the first time since.... ...a very long while.
RPGuy96 | Posted 9/9/2007 9:18:09 AM | message detail
man, I could really use an hourly update to sometimes look at

http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/contest.html

Download the spreadsheet, and just paste cn's updater into the Votes page. The hourly stuff is in the upper right of the Update page - you can hide the other columns if you don't care about them.

Rocking in the morning? Isn't 28-29% kind of on the low end of expectations for Shadow?

Yes, it is, but it's a hell of a lot better than he did during the night. At his worst he was less than 3% ahead of Pyramid Head.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 9:28:46 AM | message detail
10.1. It is just virtually impossible to recover from the 10000 leads. Today is sunday and therefore the day time isn't as potent as other weekday.

*smacks head*

Weekend or weekday, it doesn't matter. You still get the same amount of votes during the day. It's just that on a weekday, all of those votes come all at the same time.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 9:29:31 AM | message detail
And come on Shadow, stop sucking so badly.

Man, my oracle picks have been brutal this contest. First Tom Nook, now Pyramid Head.

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TheCruelAngel | Posted 9/9/2007 9:34:18 AM | message detail
About PH > Chris, I think it's more PH being much stronger than anticipated than Chris being bottom -of-the-barrel fodder. The movie, which I thought was very entertaining, did well.
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__hiei__ | Posted 9/9/2007 9:35:49 AM | message detail
bottom of the barrel fodder wouldn't get 13% in this match anyways.

put tanner there and lets see how he does
The n00b Avenger | Posted 9/9/2007 9:35:54 AM | message detail
Maybe there's 16% of voters that unconditionally vote PH over anything!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 9:36:58 AM | message detail
PH being stronger is the only explanation, but a boost from a crappy movie seems really fishy to me. You don't go from 16% on one character to 17% on an equal character, a midcarder and a weaker character just like that.

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__hiei__ | Posted 9/9/2007 9:38:43 AM | message detail
WTF @ PH near 20% update.

at auron's expense too.
Yesmar | Posted 9/9/2007 9:45:27 AM | message detail
Hee. I was looking at old poll updates from Sp2K4 to see how their schooltime vote trends compare to ours now, and I laughed a little at this.

All but a few had expected Halo/SC to come right down to the wire; no one, anywhere, saw this one coming. A 4+ million selling
PS2 Square RPG losing to a fighting game? Many gave up on KH after the early Day Vote continued to favor SC, but an improbable
late-afternoon swing
somehow shifted voting entirely in KH's favor, leaving analysts baffled.


Guess we didn't know about the midday vote then.

It's weird because when I first started looking at the charts, they were different than our trends with a lot of overall day vote trends, which lead me to come up with a whole different theory involving College Casuals, and how they vote, but after two weeks or so a lot of stuff with the midday vote trends starts matching up. I guess either the older games have less segmented voting trends, or maybe as the matches got later in the year they started fitting our trends more.

Note: Damn! Now I look at Metroid Prime/Half-Life 2 and the old vote trends start coming back again.
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Nepots | Posted 9/9/2007 9:45:34 AM | message detail
I'm sure it's been discussed, but are there any statsters who give Mewtwo a chance at upending Bowser for a spot tomorrow?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/9/2007 9:50:13 AM | message detail
I'd consider Pyramid Head's performance here the biggest shock of this contest to me, beyond ANYTHING else. At the very least I think this is a drop in the bucket for "hardcore" fanbases getting an advantage in this format, because I'd never take PH over Chris in a one-on-one (though I'm sure there are some who will by blindly looking at this match -_-).

And Pyramid Head doesn't have to have boosted any from a movie or any other crap. Not only was the VC two years ago, it was the Villains Contest. I don't hold strictly to any result that happened there - and for those who do, they're liable to get burned.

Perhaps you disagree... very well then, let's wait to see how Liquid does !! :)
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/9/2007 9:50:25 AM | message detail
Sp2k4 was the first match that was held during school, right? So we'd have been unfamiliar with the power of the afterschool vote, since it was distributed over the whole day in 2k2 and 2k3.

I'd figure that the typical 8-bit or 16-bit game would suck during the day, but since they faced each other it would be hard to tell. Newer games, I think, would have a much greater range.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/9/2007 9:54:23 AM | message detail
I'm sure it's been discussed, but are there any statsters who give Mewtwo a chance at upending Bowser for a spot tomorrow?

While it probably seems like a Lopen-esque upset, I've kind of been fearing Mewtwo out of principle (though I did the same with Shadow today and...). If Bowser is as weak as 2k6 implies and Mewtwo ends up being a decent (or even upper... *shudder*) midcarder, combined with Bowser's dismal performance in the Mario favorite polls...

...not that I'm taking that upset ever, mostly because I detest Mewtwo and hope Toad crushes him. ^_^
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/9/2007 9:58:35 AM | message detail
uh.. for some reason, I can't download the spreadsheet.
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Yesmar | Posted 9/9/2007 10:04:02 AM | message detail
I'd consider Pyramid Head's performance here the biggest shock of this contest to me, beyond ANYTHING else.

I agree. This is beyond any inkling I had of how well Pyramid Head could do.


And back to Sp2K4, Tetris had to have one of the worst day votes ever. It gave up 6%!! to ****ing Galaga. And 4% to Pong.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/9/2007 10:16:07 AM | message detail
uh.. for some reason, I can't download the spreadsheet.

Right click ->Save link as?

And back to Sp2K4, Tetris had to have one of the worst day votes ever. It gave up 6%!! to ****ing Galaga. And 4% to Pong.

L-block is so screwed
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__hiei__ | Posted 9/9/2007 10:18:45 AM | message detail
Interesting fact: Shadow's lead is now OVER NINE THOUSAAND!
TRE Public Account | Posted 9/9/2007 10:27:00 AM | message detail
Weekend or weekday, it doesn't matter. You still get the same amount of votes during the day. It's just that on a weekday, all of those votes come all at the same time.

It does matter. On a school day, very few of the kids you're relying on have voted for you because they are at school. On the weekend, some of them have already voted for you. Coming back when you still have the full power of the afterschool vote to look forward to is a lot more likely that if you've already used up part of it.
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Buzzup | Posted 9/9/2007 10:30:57 AM | message detail
This match supports my GFAWITF(Gordon Freeman always wins in this format) theory!
Mega Mana | Posted 9/9/2007 10:31:29 AM | message detail
Where can I go to find the votes cast, not the percents, for each match so far?
Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/9/2007 11:14:39 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2805

Why do people think fighting game fans are so hardcore? SF didn't hold up well at all in the Capcom poll. Comparing it to Resident Evil, it seems like Street Fighter does better in one on one polls than in multi-way polls.
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Osfan | Posted 9/9/2007 11:18:21 AM | message detail
Because Ryu puts up 40% in matches he has every reason to be blown out in otherwise to that... well...
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JustForFun1988 | Posted 9/9/2007 11:18:37 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2805

This type of non-contest poll doesn't mean anything.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2802

The protagonist of RE1, RE:CV and RE5 is losing to the villain of Silent Hill 2 so i can safely say those non-contest poll isn't very reliable.
UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/9/2007 11:23:34 AM | message detail
From TheCruelAngel Posted 9/9/2007 12:34:18 PM #155
About PH > Chris, I think it's more PH being much stronger than anticipated than Chris being bottom -of-the-barrel fodder. The movie, which I thought was very entertaining, did well.

I think SH fans are *far* more hardcore about their series than RE fans. I think a good number of RE fans came in on RE4, which I think makes then synonymous with Nintendo fans and thus more apt to roll over on RE characters not in 4.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/9/2007 11:24:02 AM | message detail
RE5 isn't out yet. Jill Valentine is the protagonist of RE1. Claire Redfield is the protagonist of RECV. In that poll, RE was SFFing SH, but Chris doesn't get the support of the RE series, so there's no SFF.

Because Ryu puts up 40% in matches he has every reason to be blown out in otherwise to that... well...

Examples, please?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/9/2007 11:24:48 AM | message detail
I think SH fans are *far* more hardcore about their series than RE fans. I think a good number of RE fans came in on RE4, which I think makes then synonymous with Nintendo fans and thus more apt to roll over on RE characters not in 4.

It still doesn't explain how PH does better in a 4-way match that in 1 on 1.
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therealmnm | Posted 9/9/2007 11:27:21 AM | message detail
Because Ryu puts up 40% in matches he has every reason to be blown out in otherwise to that... well...

That's because Ryu happens to get matched up against people who he should get 40% on. 2k2 Samus, 2k3 Snake, 2k4 Sonic, 2k6 Mega Man... Go up against Cloud, Link, or Sephiroth and he'd suffer the same fate the rest of characters around his level have suffered. And really, the match against Bowser ought to be of some concern for Ryu. If he folded that much to one Nintendo character, it's not guaranteed he will hold up if three Nintendo characters are in there. It's not like Toad and Mewtwo being in the poll will be all at the expense of Bowser...
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/9/2007 11:27:43 AM | message detail
It still doesn't explain how PH does better in a 4-way match that in 1 on 1.

He got a little stronger since the last time we've seen him. That's all. It's not like there's a big difference in his performance...
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/9/2007 11:29:04 AM | message detail
I picked Ryu>Bowser solely because of those "Who is your favorite character from ...?" polls where Ryu absolutely dominated the SF crew while Bowser didn't do very well against the Mario crew, and because of the two other Nintendo characters there.

Bowser still has the better chance, but we need out upsets.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/9/2007 11:29:50 AM | message detail
He got a little stronger since the last time we've seen him. That's all. It's not like there's a big difference in his performance...

Auron>Bowser. Shadow is there too, and to top it off he's got Surivival Horror SFF to deal with. He should be getting a lot less, I think.
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Osfan | Posted 9/9/2007 11:33:04 AM | message detail
But what he did to Mega ought to be the reason to have faith. I mean its the same company and the same iconic vote. The same Megaman that thrashed Yoshi. Bowser was off the year he went up against Ryu I mean he dang near beat Snake. That might never be completely figured out but if we cant take Snake Bowser seriously, how can we take Ryu Bowser at face value one round earlier? Bowser will get a fight tommorow you can count on that and he will have a fight for second in Round 2 as well.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/9/2007 11:33:22 AM | message detail
It still doesn't explain how PH does better in a 4-way match that in 1 on 1.

There's also Bowser > Auron to help out some. This is just more evidence that Bowser easily wins their next two matches.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/9/2007 11:34:48 AM | message detail
I don't think Bowser is going to be overly hurt by Mewtwo and Toad tomorrow. Look at today's poll - Survival Horror is not a big genre at this site, yet Pyramid Head and Chris together are outdoing Shadow. They're clearly not hurt by each other's presence - that should carry over tomorrow, especially since Nintendo is so much bigger here.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/9/2007 11:35:23 AM | message detail
But what he did to Mega ought to be the reason to have faith. I mean its the same company and the same iconic vote. The same Megaman that thrashed Yoshi.

MM 2k6 and MM 2k5 are entirely different beasts.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/9/2007 11:35:39 AM | message detail
if we cant take Snake Bowser seriously, how can we take Ryu Bowser at face value one round earlier?

Two rounds earlier, and it's because Kirby made Bowser look relatively beatable between the rounds.
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Osfan | Posted 9/9/2007 11:37:41 AM | message detail
But the Crono that killed Bowser last year was definitely the same Crono as 2k5 right?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/9/2007 11:38:25 AM | message detail
Probably, yes. And the same Crono from the game that scored major SFF on Super Mario RPG and Super Mario World.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/9/2007 11:39:22 AM | message detail
PH really is impressing though, given how he did in 2k5. Villain Contest or not, Auron > Bowser, then add Shadow and Chris Redfield, then higher vote totals...and he's still doing about the same as he did against Bowser one-on-one over two years ago.

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Osfan | Posted 9/9/2007 11:42:23 AM | message detail
And got thrashed by Mario in the finals... Trigger is a better game the Super Mario World and SMRPG. Crono was weaker unless Sonic boosted quite a bit.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/9/2007 11:45:06 AM | message detail
There is variation from year to year, you know. There's no guarantee that Auron's stronger than Bowser, and Shadow could be weaker than he was the last time we saw him.

And got thrashed by Mario in the finals... Trigger is a better game the Super Mario World and SMRPG. Crono was weaker unless Sonic boosted quite a bit.

Sonic obviously boosted. All of his performances were very impressive that year, except in the match against Snake.

My point in mentioning SMW and SMRPG was that Crono was likely to get SFF on Bowser, BTW.
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Keno316 | Posted 9/9/2007 11:46:17 AM | message detail
Well, if it was all Crono decreasing, then Bowser's seems weaker than normal, and I find that kinda hard to believe...
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Osfan | Posted 9/9/2007 11:53:37 AM | message detail
It wasn't all Crono going down but he is going down every year. Increased vote totals and lack of anything new being released are hurting him year to year. Bowser may have suffered some SFF but enough to not warrant any consideration against Ryu? In the stats they were even granted Ryu is over and Bowser is under. A 55 45 match can change in a hurry in a 4 way especially with 2 nintendo characters stealing votes. Yes they will both hurt but Ryu will not feel that as much as Bowser. Im just saying it would not take much for Ryu to win in either round.
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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/9/2007 11:54:12 AM | message detail
So....I have Bowser and Mewtwo advancing tomorrow. Mistake? <.<
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Keno316 | Posted 9/9/2007 11:57:15 AM | message detail
Crono had seemed strong as always every year. It was just last year that he seemed to drop after his match with Sonic.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 11:59:54 AM | message detail
It does matter. On a school day, very few of the kids you're relying on have voted for you because they are at school. On the weekend, some of them have already voted for you. Coming back when you still have the full power of the afterschool vote to look forward to is a lot more likely that if you've already used up part of it.

It doesn't matter when the point is brought up at 9am, with the whole day to look forward to.

If he folded that much to one Nintendo character, it's not guaranteed he will hold up if three Nintendo characters are in there. It's not like Toad and Mewtwo being in the poll will be all at the expense of Bowser...

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Osfan | Posted 9/9/2007 12:02:43 PM | message detail
I guess I expected more from Crono if he was SFFing Nintendo, than a 75/25 match with Captain Falcon... Crono's status will remain to be seen I guess we will get a good answer when him and Vincent duke it out.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/9/2007 12:08:51 PM | message detail
Why do people think fighting game fans are so hardcore?

Well, Scorpion's match seems to give some reason to think so.

There's also Bowser > Auron to help out some. This is just more evidence that Bowser easily wins their next two matches.

I don't think that's the right conclusion to draw here. For one, Bowser > Auron doesn't make sense after looking at last year's results. For another thing, we don't know if Bowser would be doing any better. For some reason, I doubt it. Honestly, this is the type of environment that favors Auron. I see him winning the next round still.

I think this is just a case of Pyramid Head having a devoted fanbase. I don't think Bowser would be pushing him down to 10% or something like that. He'd be doing about the same, I figure. If anything, this gives me hope in Vyse beating Nightmare!

And for Squall outlasting Sonic! Forget about Ganondorf! The Blue Blur won't be making it that far!

And Squall > Ganon confirmed!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/9/2007 12:10:18 PM | message detail
He'd be doing about the same, I figure. If anything, this gives me hope in Vyse beating Nightmare!

Same, but Zelos sucking so badly gives me doubts about the 'dedicated fanbase' thing as well.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/9/2007 12:11:20 PM | message detail
Augh Hanger 18

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