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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/7/2007 11:09:10 AM | message detail
Let's presume Midna beats Scorpion as most people expected her to, instead of losing miserably, and presto, she's stronger than him!

Yes, because that's a legit counter-argument.

There's no way Tifa gets 45% on Samus legitimately. Solid Snake couldn't even manage 47% on her.

Well if you forced me to say whether Boss is over or underrated, I'd say over every time. 45% was admittedly generous, but 43% is fair. Tifa seemed to me to be very strong that year, and I would give her a good chance against MM (again presuming that Sonic/Snake was BS). It's all numbers and stuff, but basically, Boss' overration as a result of Samus/Tifa is...well overrated.
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Lopen | Posted 9/7/2007 11:09:16 AM | message detail
Well, that beats Terra who didn't have a remotely interesting role until uh...

uh... when was that again?
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/7/2007 11:09:25 AM | message detail
*comma between well and overrated
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/7/2007 11:10:07 AM | message detail
Let's talk about FF6 characters now

...gah Kefka you failure
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/7/2007 11:10:52 AM | message detail
Gears of War has been the #1 game on Live since its release. However, I don't know wtf rallying on Live would do. Nobodies going to turn their attention away from the game to go vote for Marcus in a poll.

Well if rallying for blizzard in channels already flooded with spam works for starcraft, rallying on live might for marcus. Granted on starcraft people are already on their computer, but still it's hard to get the attention of a good amount of people in it.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/7/2007 11:10:52 AM | message detail

Yes, because that's a legit counter-argument.


It is. It''s pointing out the absolutely ridiculous, ass-stupid reasoning you used to justify Boss' strength. Pre-contest expectations. HOLY-WOW THOSE HAVE NEVER FAILED BEFORE!

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/7/2007 11:10:58 AM | message detail
Heh, just realized that only 3 gurus have Zero beating out Vincent/Crono

MAYBE BECAUSE IT ISN'T GONNA ****ING HAPPEN
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AerisDS | Posted 9/7/2007 11:11:28 AM | message detail
ouch.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/7/2007 11:11:31 AM | message detail
...Woah. 0_0
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 9/7/2007 11:12:02 AM | message detail
Kefka with 28% of the vote that update, Marcus with 42%. Sheesh that's murder
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/7/2007 11:12:28 AM | message detail
I drugged Romero.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/7/2007 11:12:29 AM | message detail
Looks like the...uhh...held-back students got out of school.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/7/2007 11:12:45 AM | message detail
uh... when was that again?

Being one of the most prominent characters (probably the most) from the start until a good deal in = not an interesting enough role to get people to like her?

I mean, I'd argue she's the closest thing the game has to a main character.
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transience | Posted 9/7/2007 11:12:53 AM | message detail
uhhhh
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/7/2007 11:14:21 AM | message detail
Nook and Zelos stayed, Fenix spiked and Kefka fell off the face of the Earth.
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neonreaper | Posted 9/7/2007 11:14:21 AM | message detail
Well if rallying for blizzard in channels already flooded with spam works for starcraft, rallying on live might for marcus. Granted on starcraft people are already on their computer, but still it's hard to get the attention of a good amount of people in it.

XBL GoW is limited to game selection and 8 person games, there are no channels or anything. I don't think you'll even get any of those 8 people to bother to vote.

Maybe the XBL forums would get some action, but I have no clue because I've never really visited.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/7/2007 11:14:25 AM | message detail
It's like Marcus just sapped Kefka's and only Kefka's votes for that surge.

OR THAT BACKSTABBING CLOWN GAVE THEM TO HIM ARGH KAFKA
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neonreaper | Posted 9/7/2007 11:15:35 AM | message detail
well, 7 people
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 9/7/2007 11:15:39 AM | message detail
Hey, you're right. I'm pretty sure Kefka is pretty good in these contests, but he loses on purpose to **** up brackets. Because he's evil
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KrahenProphet | Posted 9/7/2007 11:16:40 AM | message detail
These are some erratic numbers.

I'm curious to see what happens once the kiddies get home.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/7/2007 11:16:41 AM | message detail
XBL GoW is limited to game selection and 8 person games, there are no channels or anything. I don't think you'll even get any of those 8 people to bother to vote.

Eh, maybe so, I'm just saying it's not like starcraft has this atmosphere where you can just say "lol k everyone go vote on gamefaqs" and have people listen. Almost nobody even pays attention to the main channels since they're full of spam anyways, and each one doesn't have very many people in it... so rallying could still potentially be done for gow.

I agree that an active forum is always the best bet for rallying though.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/7/2007 11:17:13 AM | message detail
It is. It''s pointing out the absolutely ridiculous, ass-stupid reasoning you used to justify Boss' strength. Pre-contest expectations. HOLY-WOW THOSE HAVE NEVER FAILED BEFORE!

Midna was from a new game with no other characters making an appearance yet in the contest (Link is yet to appear as a TP character, if that makes sense (well, except for the Jay/Link match)). Scorpion hadn't been seen in a while. Meanwhile, Boss had her match against Celes to work from (with Celes using Terra as a benchmark) and Tifa had a contest's worth of data to use. Completely different cases make your argument totally, utterly illegitimate.
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Lopen | Posted 9/7/2007 11:18:06 AM | message detail
Eh, I'm not going to go into that argument again, been done to death. I'll just say, once again, that Terra's fodder for a reason and that I was calling it well before we saw her in action, and that I think a few different PCs could do much better.
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transience | Posted 9/7/2007 11:18:24 AM | message detail
augh why are we fighting over pointless matches with fodder characters
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/7/2007 11:19:18 AM | message detail
augh why are we fighting over pointless matches with fodder characters

Not my fault people refuse to accept Boss' strength =(

Better than the last time I got into this argument. HHD(I think?) was being a total ****.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/7/2007 11:23:43 AM | message detail
Midna was from a new game with no other characters making an appearance yet in the contest (Link is yet to appear as a TP character, if that makes sense (well, except for the Jay/Link match)). Scorpion hadn't been seen in a while. Meanwhile, Boss had her match against Celes to work from (with Celes using Terra as a benchmark) and Tifa had a contest's worth of data to use. Completely different cases make your argument totally, utterly illegitimate.

Because we know Midna's the only newcomer to ever fail to meet our expectations. You know what my point is, and you know adjusting characters based off pre-contest expectations is just stupid. And if you don't, there's no point in talking to you, because that's just about the worst idea I've ever heard in my life. There's no reason to just blindly assume Celes is on par with Terra either, it's another character we've never seen before. Your entire argument is based on so much guesswork it's absurd.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/7/2007 11:24:01 AM | message detail
*Kefka's on a tailspin*
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/7/2007 11:26:07 AM | message detail
Eh, I'm not going to go into that argument again, been done to death. I'll just say, once again, that Terra's fodder for a reason and that I was calling it well before we saw her in action, and that I think a few different PCs could do much better.

I really don't agree. FFVI's ensemble cast makes it very hard for any one pc to have a lot of popularity in these polls. Even though he's just the villain, kefka is the best you'll get because at least he was consistently the main one (more or less).
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RockMFR 5 | Posted 9/7/2007 11:26:56 AM | message detail
Spin it
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In a minute
When you're Kefka, Kefka, Kefka!
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transience | Posted 9/7/2007 11:27:18 AM | message detail
basically, the focus of the entire game is Kefka. the other characters are just along for the ride. there isn't a single character in FF6 that couldn't be written out of the plot.
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Keno316 | Posted 9/7/2007 11:28:18 AM | message detail
Looks like the kiddies started getting home from school! Look out for the Nook!!!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/7/2007 11:28:18 AM | message detail
Tifa seemed to me to be very strong that year, and I would give her a good chance against MM (again presuming that Sonic/Snake was BS)

AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 9/7/2007 11:28:35 AM | message detail
You couldn't write Terra out of the plot. She's a boring character but she's a very important catalyst. No one else could free the espers and open the gate, allowing Kefka access to the statues and eventually becoming a god
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/7/2007 11:28:56 AM | message detail
I would take Tifa and possibly The Boss over Mega Man IMHHHO
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/7/2007 11:29:26 AM | message detail
Like I said, I've always been a proponent of Mog doing good in these things.

Or at least better than his castmates.

He could be a low midcarder at the least, at Vivi's level at the most.

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transience | Posted 9/7/2007 11:29:26 AM | message detail
Terra... yeah, the espers. other than that part, though? she's invisible. hell, she's not even required in the world of ruin. what's up with that?
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/7/2007 11:29:37 AM | message detail
I would take your mom over Zelos.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/7/2007 11:30:21 AM | message detail
Well, without Setzer you wouldn't have any airship. Plus he appeared in KH2 for some reason.

Setzer for 2k8!

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/7/2007 11:30:32 AM | message detail
Not my fault people refuse to accept Boss' strength =(

She doesn't have any, and you're basing your entire argument on Tifa getting 45% on Samus legitimately. People tend to not take stupid arguments seriously.

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/7/2007 11:30:48 AM | message detail
I think Shion might be more useful than Terra.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/7/2007 11:31:42 AM | message detail
I think Shion might be more useful than Terra.

Woah, woah, let's not say things we can't take back.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/7/2007 11:32:10 AM | message detail
I'm sorry.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/7/2007 11:32:12 AM | message detail
Shion..... the main character from Xenosaga?

From what I can gather, KOS-MOS stole the show enough in that game that Shion would be worth jack ****

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AerisDS | Posted 9/7/2007 11:32:15 AM | message detail
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transience | Posted 9/7/2007 11:32:18 AM | message detail
Shion is certainly more integral to her plot than Terra was!
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Lopen | Posted 9/7/2007 11:32:29 AM | message detail
Who the hell cares if she was a catalyst to that plot point anyway? Does that make anyone like her? "Gee, she was significant to the story, better vote for her!"

Give me Sabin or Edgar to do much better, because their characters are more likable and because people love the Blitz and Tools commands so they'll be in the party much more.

... haha I just said I wasn't going to argue about this. <_<
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/7/2007 11:32:41 AM | message detail
There was cheating in Tifa/Samus? How was Tifa's 45% not legit. I'm confused >_>
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/7/2007 11:32:59 AM | message detail
She is more useful than Terra.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/7/2007 11:33:58 AM | message detail
Let's nominate Shadow for 2k8 he has the ninja factor and we certainly need more FF6 characters
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