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Keno316 | Posted 9/6/2007 7:40:19 PM | message detail
Yeah, it really comes down to if one Nintendo character siphons most of the votes that match or they split among the 3. Assuming the latter, very good chance for Ryu.
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Adamantno1 | Posted 9/6/2007 7:40:21 PM | message detail
I got Kefka>Zelos.
There is a chance, though, and it's better than my pick for today. Kratos>Scorpion, what the HELL?

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/6/2007 7:40:51 PM | message detail
Of course he's not out of that match, but look what happened to Rikku. Had that been a non-Square character rather than Vaan, she would have upset Knux there.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2007 7:41:08 PM | message detail
Zelos has like an outside 5% chance of getting second. Still voting and rooting for him though.
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creativename | Posted 9/6/2007 7:41:57 PM | message detail
On Jill/Ryu, my records have Sora/HK-47 on 8/30, Jill/Ryu on 8/31, and Sam/Gordon on 9/1. If Jill/Ryu was run twice, are these dates wrong?

I do have Xenogears/Pokemon on 4/19 and the next match on 4/21. Was that restarted, or just extended?


charmander
GTA: VC/KotOR ran for two days because the site was down for almost half of the two days

Thanks.

2k2-2k3: 2am EST
2k4-2k5: 3am EST
2k6-Now: 12am EST


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2k2-2k3 were actually 1 am EST not 2am

Thanks. Anyone know more about this?


Black Turtle
Of course you'll want to write articles on the Mario/Crono saga, Mario/Cloud 2k2 and Vercetti/Kefka.

I was thinking more "sentences" than articles, really...


transcience
you can use anything you want from this article, creative.

Thanks, I forgot about that site.
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creativename | Posted 9/6/2007 7:45:40 PM | message detail
Samus/Sonic http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=994

Anyone know if this match started 2 hours late, and if so why?
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ZFS | Posted 9/6/2007 7:46:27 PM | message detail
Of course he's not out of that match, but look what happened to Rikku. Had that been a non-Square character rather than Vaan, she would have upset Knux there.

Bowser, I think, is a clear step ahead of everyone there. I'm not suggesting that Mewtwo and Toad don't pose the problem of stealing some Nintendo support and allowing for Ryu to pull off an upset, but I'm just saying it's definitely not guaranteed to happen. I'm expecting Mewtwo and Toad being there to make it close between the two as opposed to Bowser being safely in first, if there were two other characters there.

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red sox 777 | Posted 9/6/2007 7:48:50 PM | message detail
The start time for 2k2-2k3 was indeed 1:00 Eastern.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 9/6/2007 7:49:25 PM | message detail
Well, I've got Ryu>Bowser in the first round. That's all I'm gonna say.
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creativename | Posted 9/6/2007 7:50:38 PM | message detail
Bowser, I think, is a clear step ahead of everyone there.

Rikku was more than a clear step ahead of Vaan though.

I'm not suggesting that Mewtwo and Toad don't pose the problem of stealing some Nintendo support and allowing for Ryu to pull off an upset, but I'm just saying it's definitely not guaranteed to happen.

Bowser is still the clear favorite, and he should be. But the leeching risk exists.
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ejm5446 | Posted 9/6/2007 7:50:44 PM | message detail
I don't see toad getting much support. 15% tops.
Keno316 | Posted 9/6/2007 7:52:06 PM | message detail
Thing is...15% is quite a lot for 4th place in this format...
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ZFS | Posted 9/6/2007 7:52:07 PM | message detail
Rikku was more than a clear step ahead of Vaan though.

I was talking more along the lines of being ahead of his nearest competition -- Ryu. Bowser is much further ahead of Toad and Mewtwo than Rikku is ahead of Vaan, I think.

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creativename | Posted 9/6/2007 7:53:58 PM | message detail
Just saw this a little while ago...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog_%28Chrono_Trigger%29#Frog

When Frog is shown in flashbacks as Glenn he talks normally. In the Japanese version, he does not speak with the "Middle Ages Accent", and instead talks rather rudely. Compare original and translation:

Frog: "P, perish the thought, lass! By the way, whither the blue-haired one?"
translated to: Frog: "D, dumbass! More importantly, that pale-faced caped bastard wasn't there!?"


Magus=pale-faced caped bastard...awesome.

Frog be laying the smacketh down on the PFCB. "Magus hair's blue, 'gainst Knuckles he finished two/That PFCB, verse Sephiroth and Mario he'll fall to three!"

Frog owns Magus.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/6/2007 7:56:27 PM | message detail
After seeing Axel and Mega Man impress like they did (especially when you compare MM to Samus), I have a feeling that Ryu last year was back to where he was before his mysterious 2k5 stumble. I'm just hoping that stumble didn't have something to do with Bowser directly. If it didn't, then Ryu has a great shot at stealing this one, especially with Bowser having disappointed last year.

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creativename | Posted 9/6/2007 7:57:17 PM | message detail
I was talking more along the lines of being ahead of his nearest competition -- Ryu. Bowser is much further ahead of Toad and Mewtwo than Rikku is ahead of Vaan, I think.

Mewtwo is closer to Bowser than Vaan is to Rikku, I think. Though he shouldn't suffer SFF as bad as Rikku. Which might be worse for Bowser actually, unless Mewtwo/Bowser share less of a fanbase than Rikku/Vaan.

I think expect and hope that Bowser will win here, but there is the chance he could lose. Don't think he will though.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/6/2007 7:58:27 PM | message detail
2k2-2k3 were actually 1 am EST not 2am

Oops my bad

The Xenogears/Pokemon match was restarted.
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creativename | Posted 9/6/2007 7:58:35 PM | message detail
Suffer SFF as bad as Vaan I mean.
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cyko | Posted 9/6/2007 8:04:18 PM | message detail
so, the real question is:

how badly will Tom Nook do tomorrow?

i predict that he will not break 10%!

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/6/2007 8:07:49 PM | message detail
Tom Nook broke 14% against Crono when AC was less than a year new. Now that it's also on the GBA/DS (I forget which) and is established, I don't see him going under 10% to Kefka/Fenix/Zelos.
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cyko | Posted 9/6/2007 8:08:26 PM | message detail
oh, and NGamer - make another guru topic!! my bracket on your site is not correct!!

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/6/2007 8:09:13 PM | message detail
I can't see him not breaking 10%. You have to remember, this is probably the weakest fourpack we've seen yet, plus Nook is the sole Nintendo character in there. That has to count for something I suppose.

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/6/2007 8:11:51 PM | message detail
Yeah, being the sole Nintendo character won't hurt, though -- if people are blaming Kratos for Midna not doing well -- Nook still has a chance to under-perform even worse than before.

Still though, I think he's breaking 10%.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/6/2007 8:13:11 PM | message detail
Division 2: Round 1 - Match 5 – Kefka vs. Marcus Fenix vs. Tom Nook vs. Zelos Wilder

Moltar’s Analysis

Kefka
Game/Series Known From: Final Fantasy VI
Seed in 2003: 12
Seed in 2004: 7
Seed in 2005: 3
Lost in 2003 to Crono in Round 2
Lost in 2004 to Knuckles in Round 1
Lost in 2005 to Tommy Vercetti in Round 1

Oh Kefka, you never fail to disappoint us. Never ever.

Marcus
Game/Series Known From: Gears of War

So…is this guy like the Master Chief lite?

Tom
Game/Series Known From: Animal Crossing
Seed in 2003: 14
Lost in 2003 to Crono in Round 1

Didn’t think we would be seeing Tom freaking Nook back.

Zelos
Game/Series Known From: Tales of Symponia

He’s so hott.

Here’s an interesting match to start Division 2. Now, what I’m going to say might surprise you, but-

“Hey Moltar!”

That voice…that sounds like Billy the Casual Bracketmaker! It’s been a while since we’ve seen you. Tell me, what do you think about this match?

“Gears of War is awesome! It’s like bang boom run n gun extreme cool! I think Marcus is going all the way to the top here, and Kefka gets second, since Final Fantasy pretty awesome too.”

Well Billy…for once, I’m going to agree with you.

“But wait, what abou- huh, you’re agreeing with me?”

That’s right Billy. Usually your predictions are…how can I put this nicely…ah yes, bat**** insane. But this time, I think you called it mostly right. Before I get to that though, let me first say a few things about the other two characters in this match. Animal Crossing is pretty popular worldwide, but Tom Nook at GameFAQs, not so much. Tales of Symphonia is also well-liked on GameFAQs, but like with Kratos, I don’t think the hardcore fanbase will push Zelos to the top two spots. He’ll do decently though, and he’s got my vote, the most important of all.

Now, back to the main two, Kefka and Fenix. A lot of people are giving this to Kefka because even though he isn’t that strong, his opposition certainly doesn’t look like a threat. Kefka also has Square and Final Fantasy on his side, which makes him a desirable choice.

However, some are being bold here, and going with Marcus. He’s the character you play as in Gears of War, which was one of the top contenders for Game of the Year last year. It pulled in 3rd, just under FFXII, and both were trounced by Zelda: TP. Combine that with Xbox hate dying down at GameFAQs, thanks to the quality of 360 games, and Fenix has a chance at being a good midcard here. Xbox voters tend to support their character, even in multi-option polls, and that’s an advantage for Marcus (and another character who’s coming up later).

“Alright, so who do you think wins?”

Well Billy, I’m playing it safe and saying Kefka ends up with #1 here and Marcus gets #2. Marcus has a very good shot at the top spot, but I think Kefka will get a good chunk of backing from FF6 fans, and those who overall just love Square. The characters here aren’t really big names that will steal votes from the other, lesser-known characters, so Kefka has a good shot at being recognized easily and getting votes like that. Even though Fenix might not win here, his future does look brighter than Kefka’s.

“What happens if your wrong and I’m right, Moltar?

Ha ha! Let’s just say, Billy, that someone will have trouble living soon.

“Thanks Moltar, and now I know!”

And knowing is half the battle.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Kefka > Marcus > Zelos > Tom

Moltar’s Prediction is: Kefka: 34% - Fenix: 32% - Zelos: 20% - Tom: 14%



Ultimaterializer’s Analysis

This is a pure four-way fodder match, though we've at least seen Kefka prove a passable midcarder in years past and can pretty much shoo him in for a top two spot.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/6/2007 8:13:42 PM | message detail
Tom Nook was complete crap in 2003, and I doubt the Animal Crossing series has grown at all since then. I think it's safe to put Nook into a bottom two spot.

This leaves us with Zelos and Marcus Fenix. Though Fenix suffers from the Gordon Freeman syndrome, his game is immensely popular and has a very dedicated fanbase. Zelos is a decent fan favorite from Tales of Symphonia, but he's no Kratos. He isn't even as popular as Sheena, who I'd hesitate to place top two here. Add this to Tales of Symphonia falling off the map in popularity, and I think Zelos will have too much trouble trying to make the top two.

Fenix > Kefka is an intriguing upset pick given how badly Kefka can perform in these matches, and Fenix likely won't suffer the anti-votes that, say, Master Chief does. But Fenix has little if any popularity to work off of on GameFAQs despite Gears of War doing very well in polls. Fenix getting first wouldn't surprise me, but I don't think it'll happen. Yet. Maybe in a year or two. Or maybe now, who knows. I'm not all that keen on the Gears of War fanbase's fervor.

Ulti's Prediction:

Kefka [37.25%]
Marcus Fenix [30.00%]
Zelos [20.00%]
Tom Nook [12.75%]



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

Kefka -- 39%
Marcus Fenix -- 37%
Zelos Wilder -- 19%
Tom Nook -- 5%


This one has seen plenty of discussion since the bracket came out. The people justifying Kefka in first cite “No one really knows Marcus Fenix”; those justifying Zelos in second cite “No one really knows Marcus Fenix.” In both cases, I’d say they’re pretty wrong.

Originally, I went with Fenix over Kefka -- mostly because I’d take Fenix one-on-one -- but that ever annoying villains poll made me rethink the match. Mostly because of how well he managed to hold up with Sephiroth in the poll, and then you figure that Kefka has got to have that distinct fanbase that will ensure he does pretty well in this type of format.

That said he isn’t going to be blowing away the competition. Fenix is still going to give him a run for his money, if not beat him. Gears of Wars’ popularity is hard to deny, and while Fenix is hardly as iconic as Master Chief, he is distinct enough to be recognized as both the “Gears dude” and badass looking enough to get the picture vote from voters who don’t care about any of them. Gordon Freeman syndrome? Nah. You see and hear Fenix way too much for that.

And while the argument that the Tales fanbase is rabid enough to let Zelos pull something off, I’m not expecting it to be enough. Zelos will get a good deal of the Tales vote, and he’ll end up in a respectable third all things considered. But actually manage to advance? Not this time. He’d need to go up against even weaker competition to pull that off.

Oh, and Tom Nook... no.

Bracket: Kefka > Marcus Fenix
Vote: Zelos



Yoblazer’s Analysis

Friend's, gather round; it's the moment we've all been waiting for! For the first time in years, Tom Nook has returned to the contest scene! Damn the rest - my kingdom for a Tom Nook victory! Personally, I think this match is a pretty tough nut to crack, especially after everything we've seen throughout the first four days. Kefka is the favorite, though he surely won't dominate, Kratos Aurion's decent performance in the current poll makes Zelos look like he has at least a decent chance, and Agent 47's surprisingly good performance does the same for Marcus Fenix. With his lovable design and lone "true" Nintendo character status, Nook, the famed shop owner, entrepreneur, and financier of Animal Crossing, is the dark horse. Why, he could range anywhere from last place to winning with 60% of the vote! Why, Mr. Nook, you dastardly raccoon, you!
Master Moltar | Posted 9/6/2007 8:14:15 PM | message detail
In all seriousness, this is a match between four relatively weak characters, and as proof, the unspectacular Kefka is heavily favored to walk away the winner. After him, it's a bit of a crapshoot between Tales of Symphonia's Zelos and Gears of War's Marcus Fenix (and maybe even Tom Nook?!), but I feel that Fenix has the edge. He's the main protagonist of one of last year's most popular games, and he has a cooler picture and recency on his side. Zelos looks almost too effeminate, and... well I just don't like that. Also, don't be surprised if old Mr. Nook does very well for himself!

My shortest analysis so far. This match kinda sucks.

Kefka - 34%
Marcus Fenix - 26%
Zelos Wilder - 21%
Tom Nook - 19%



Lopen’s Analysis

Easy match... Kefka/Marcus Fenix win, right? Wrong. This is a really hard match to call for me. Is Marcus Fenix weak enough to be pushed down by Kefka far enough that the hardcore Tales of Symphonia fanbase can take him?

Like Midna, I don't know much about Marcus. From what I hear, Marcus is not exactly the most liked character. Not to say he's disliked, but the character just doesn't stand out much... that's what I'm getting. One might say that being from Gears of War is enough... but to that one, I point out Carl Johnson, a character from a more popular game in GTA:San Andreas. I also see that his design is pretty generic, and it's possible that he might not be recognized immediately because of that combined with his relative lack of screentime, GoW being a shooter. The Gordon Freeman syndrome, I guess.

Some might say that even if he isn't terribly appreciated by Gears fans, the exposure and love for the game will do it because this lot is so weak. They'll say that Kefka lacks the strength to push him down far enough to go below Zelos's devoted ToS fanbase. I'm going to have to disagree on that. We've seen before that if faced with a character truly weaker than him (read Mithos, Wesker {the picture's effect on this match is overrated, I think}), Kefka can beat it soundly. Final Fantasy 6 is a very popular game here, so he has the exposure to do it. He just usually gets matches that test him.

In addition, because this group is so weak, Zelos gets more than just the ToS hardcore vote here. Zelos probably gives Kefka or Marcus Fenix (I wouldn't be so sure he loses to Marcus, really) a close match without these odd conditions. He's not total jobber fodder.

And you know... Zelos has the hunny vote, too. 5% of the site... locked for Zelos, baby.

Lopen's prediction:
Kefka – 33.33%
Zelos Wilder – 32.17%
Marcus Fenix – 26.50%
Tom Nook – 8.00% (haw haw I said not a word about you... no you can't SFF Zelos, fie upon anyone who thought that!)



Karma Hunter’s Analysis

Today's match is probably the most "up in the air" one that's out there. The only recurring competitor is perennial disappointment and chump Kefka (oh I'm sorry I guess he was a big snub or something because he gave an exciting cheat-a-thon in 2005). Tom Nook has had a one-and-done shot against Crono in 2003, and the other two are newcomers - Marcus Fenix, "star" of the hit game Gears of War and Zelos, yet another Tales character who may be the lowest on the rung of all.

The top two are surprisingly agreed upon - Kefka and Marcus - but the order is hotly debated. Kefka is hardly the pinnacle of strength, but he certainly has a contingent of hardcore voters that will choose him over anyone and anything. Small as that may be, in this format it matters a LOT more. Meanwhile, Marcus certainly has the potential if he gets a considerable fraction of Gears of War's popularity, but he's gonna have to be riding off the popularity of being "the GeoW guy" more than anything else. The name "Marcus Fenix" would have a damn good shot at finishing last in this poll.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/6/2007 8:14:58 PM | message detail
Fortunately for him here, he's got a pretty recognizable shot - COG armor w/chainsaw rifle and all. If you can't recognize that from Gears of War, you weren't gonna vote for Marcus anyway. And frankly, it's got me scared here. DAMN scared. Am I gonna pick against my bracket here? ...not quite, but it may as well be. I'll predict Kefka to escape a squeaker due to a more reliable rally down the stretch. Sure his cheaters are bad, but at least they care enough to cheat...

Karma Hunter's Vote: Kefka. Uwee hee hee.
Karma Hunter's Krazy Prediction: Kefka with 31.5%, Marcus with 31%, Tom Nook with 20.5%, Zelos with 17%

Upset Prediction: 80%

Man, the chances keep going higher and higher here, huh? In a nutshell, Marcus can easily win this thanks to Kefka being all lettucy and having the support of GeoW behind him. But the other two have shots as well (at least to steal second, I'd say). Tom Nook only had one-and-done, but that was in 2k3 and he might have risen since then... and he's really the only "proper" Nintendo character here, which should give him a fair share of bracket votes. If Fenix bombs or something? He's poised to strike. And even Zelos has a pretty good shot if the Tales fanbase supports him the same way they've supported the others - in a small, but loyal fashion. But seeing as how the guy comes in halfway through the game and suffers from Kuja-syndrome to the max - except he's not even the main antagonist... um, let's just say I'll be happy if he ends up above Mithos.

...who did surprisingly well on Kefka, so I shouldn't exactly count him out!



Transience’s Analysis

this is one of those 'well, *somebody's* got to advance' matches, the first of many in the first round. this is what happens when you get 128 characters and throw characters in pods randomly.

the big story of this match is the untested Marcus Fenix. some have speculated that he'll be like Master Chief, a guy who can thrive off the x-box population and get a decent percentage in a multi-option poll. after all, Gears of War sold an absolute ton of copies and almost matched FF12's percentage in the Game of the Year poll. why can't Marcus Fenix carry that into a character battle?

well, there's a damn good reason -- "who the hell is Marcus Fenix?" I've heard that question several times over the last two months, and while I know board 8 is pretty anti-xbox/"casual" games, they usually at least know who a guy is. Marcus Fenix screams disappointment to me. he simply isn't the face of Gears like Master Chief or some other characters are with their respective shooters. hell, you see more of his back than his front when you're playing GeW.

as such, I think a lot of this match will depend on the picture, and not just for Marcus. Kefka is a match picture legend and a lot of people are skeptical of taking him in normal character battles because you never know what you're going to get - lettuce, angels, sprites, who knows. between Marcus and Kefka, this might be one of the bigger "picture" matches we'll have this year.
Ngamer64 | Posted 9/6/2007 8:15:00 PM | message detail
char beat me to it, but yes, the Poke/Xeno results were scratched and it was given a full restart the following day, so it would be a fair 24 hour poll. This is as opposed to that VC/KotOR poll which, as was mentioned, just got an extension through the next day.

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Master Moltar | Posted 9/6/2007 8:15:34 PM | message detail
Tom Nook is bottom-barrel fodder, so we can cut this match down to Kefka, Fenix and Zelos. Zelos would be an interesting pick if there was somebody strong in this match to suck up a lot of votes. Zelos's fanbase isn't very large, but you know they're going to support him over these three clowns. unfortunately for him, I doubt Kefka's going to be able to pull ~50% of the votes in, so it's going to come down to whether or not Fenix bombs. I'm pretty firm in my belief that Kratos > Sheena > Zelos >= Lloyd. Lloyd didn't do all that much better than Mithos, and Kefka doubled Mithos up. (at the time, we thought this was impressive from Mithos, too.) Marcus may be fodder in my eyes, but he can probably get 25% vs. a pile of lettuce, a yaoi legend and.. uh, whatever the hell Tom Nook is.

Kefka and Fenix
maybe the worst picture yet?
lettuce meets big gun

transience's prediction: Kefka - 33.56%, Marcus - 32.45%, Zelos - 23.45%, Tom Nook - 10.54%



Guest’s Analysis - Black Turtle

Kefka

Summer 2003 Contest
South Division - 12 Seed

Southern Round 1 --- Defeated (5) Pac Man, 47678 [50.95%] - 45905 [ 49.05%]
Southern Quarterfinal --- Lost to (4) Crono, 21373 [21.08%] - 79999 [78.92%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 52nd Place [15.56%]

Summer 2004 Contest
20XX Division - 7 Seed

20XX Round 1 --- Lost to (10) Knuckles, 35220 [ 42.54%] - 47578 [57.46%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 34th Place [21.21%]

Spring 2005 Contest
Ruin Division - 1 Seed

Ruin Round 1 --- Defeated (8) Mithos, 46454 [63.98%] - 26151 [36.02%]
Ruin Semifinal --- Defeated (5) Wesker, 54640 [ 70.37%] - 23012 [29.63%]
Ruin Finals --- Lost to (7) Diablo, 38660 [45.91%] - 45547 [54.09%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 7th Place [26.73%]


Summer 2005 Contest
Flood Division - 3 Seed

Flood Round 1 --- Lost to (6) Tommy Vercetti, 47920 [ 48.86%] - 50165 [51.14%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 41st Place [20.82%]


Ah Kefka. If there's any character in these things that doesn't get nearly the support they deserve, it's him. He's easily the best villain out of any game and any genre. Last time we saw him he managed to perform decently both in the Villains contest and against Vercetti in 2005. Not often do you see the main villain steal the show like Kefka, and it shows with how absolutely fodderific Celes and Terra ended up. FF6 may be one of this site's favourite games, but the characters in it aren't worth much at all. That said, Kefka's pretty much a lock to advance here.

Marcus Fenix

The second untested newcomer expected to do something, and hopefully he doesn't wind up like the first (lol midna). The main character of the extremely popular, and extremely well recieved Gears of War, Fenix will be the perfect gauge of where the X-Box 360 stands on this site. He has a very good chance to make it to round 3 here.

Tom Nook

Summer 2003 Contest
South Division - 13 Seed

Southern Round 1 --- Lost to (4) Crono, 14631 [14.19%] - 88469 [85.81%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 61st Place [10.82% ]


lol fodder

Zelos

Another crappy Tales of Symphonia character. Is it just me, or does the game really suck or something, because none of their characters ever do anything, but 5 have made the contest. I wouldn't expect much out of him, although some people think Fenix will bomb badly enough to let this scrub advance.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/6/2007 8:16:27 PM | message detail
Predictions:

This one really is a crapshoot. And how you think this match will go depends entirely on how you think Fenix will do here. I've seen people calling for Neo-Tannerism, and others calling for Kratos v2.0 (the good Kratos, not the one that let Scorpion and Midna walk all over him). Personally I think he'll fall somewhere in the middle, which puts him comfortably enough above Kefka to be able to advance to round 3 over him and the winner of Jill/Ocelot.

As for Zelos, well, look at these 2 matches:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2069
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2009

Sure lol villains contest and all that, but the point remains that Kefka did significantly better on Wesker than did the actual main character of ToS. Yeah, Zelos should be a non-factor here. As for trends, expect Kefka to give a solid performance in the night then fall apart at the seams come 3pm EST. Fenix's day vote won't be on par with Kingdom Hearts', but it should be more than enough to deal with Kefka.

TuRtLe's Prediction: Fenix 37%, Kefka 33%, Zelos 20%, Tom Nook 10%
TuRtLe's Bracket: Fenix > Kefka
TuRtLe's Vote: Kefka of course



Crew Consensus: Kefka > Fenix is the large majority. Other picks inculde Kefka > Zelos and Fenix > Kefka.
RPGuy96 | Posted 9/6/2007 8:20:52 PM | message detail
I wonder how Kefka will do during the Power Hour? He's a) well loved by the board, b) favoured in the board's brackets (I should think), c) good with the night vote, and d) CT characters have done spectacularly during it. The only thing against him is that he's, well, not Nintendo, and it is called the Nintendo Power Hour for a reason.

But, given that's he's probably going to collapse during the day (and Fenix should have a good day vote, too), this should be an easy match to call if he doesn't do well in the Power Hour.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/6/2007 8:21:25 PM | message detail
Wow, I'd figured there'd be more Fenix > Kefka support.

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cyko | Posted 9/6/2007 8:22:39 PM | message detail
Kefka will rock the Power Hour. don't forget that his game has appeared on TWO Nintendo systems. >_>

i won't be surprised at all to see him break 50% by sunrise before dropping to 40% by the end of the match.

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/6/2007 8:26:04 PM | message detail
Fenix > Kefka's sexy, but I think playing it safe will prevail this time. Kefka did manage 17% (I think) in the post-VC poll with Diablo, CATS, Ganon, and Sephiroth...and FF3/6 was remade on the GBA recently, too. Kefka ought to be able to take this one, given those circumstances.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/6/2007 8:28:11 PM | message detail
Kefka will lead at the beginning of the match no matter who you have winning. If he isn't then gg to you Kefka.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/6/2007 8:28:24 PM | message detail
If Kefka has 50% after the first hour, much less until daylight, I'll choke on my astonishment of this four-pack sucking so badly.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/6/2007 8:29:20 PM | message detail
Hmm...Terra did pretty well against Zelda and merely average against Kerrigan in the NPH. I can't decide if that's impressive (wow, Zelda!) or pathetic (yeesh, Kerrigan?).
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/6/2007 8:30:29 PM | message detail
Kefka had 60% of the vote flying out of the gate against Tommy Vercetti. I think he will crush his fourpack to start the match.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/6/2007 8:30:32 PM | message detail
I dunno. I forgot to throw it in my analysis, but when thinking this one up, it crossed my mind that Tommy Vercetti managed to beat Kefka a couple of years after his game came out, and in the transition between anti-mainstreamFAQs, casualFAQs to boot. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, since really, the only other untested character that may actually do something here is Balthier (Mewtwo doesn't count because he got a crappy draw)

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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/6/2007 8:31:56 PM | message detail
Kefka had 60% of the vote flying out of the gate against Tommy Vercetti. I think he will crush his fourpack to start the match.

Yes, but that was at the 3 AM start time, which vastly favoured Square (in particular, Old Square). The new start time favours Nintendo, broadly, though it was the best time of Crono's matches last year and, outside the last hour, Frog's this year.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/6/2007 8:32:27 PM | message detail
And yes, this likely will end up with Kefka leading out the gate.

Come on Marcus, you're my dark horse #1. Don't disappoint me.

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Draco1214 | Posted 9/6/2007 8:33:37 PM | message detail
Ah, right, I forgot the poll time change happened after.

At any rate, the board tends to be generous towards Kefka, so I think he'll come crushing regardless. Though with Tom Nook and Zelos there...
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/6/2007 8:34:51 PM | message detail
Kratos didn't seem too hot with the Board vote last night, and Scorps/Midna don't seem like the type to get big board support.

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 9/6/2007 8:35:06 PM | message detail
I'm sort of thinking I probably should have picked Marcus Fenix or Zelos to win with Kefka coming in second, but at the same time I'm confident with Kefka > Marcus. I'm weird.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/6/2007 8:36:40 PM | message detail
Why Zelos if you don't mind me asking? Kefka is closely related to enough of the ToS characters that pretty much any situation rules him out, unless you were to throw Sephiroth in the mix or something. Zelos has a shot I suppose, but I really can't see Fenix disappointing THAT badly.

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Draco1214 | Posted 9/6/2007 8:38:06 PM | message detail
It also depends on how strong Zelos is. The closer he is to Kratos, the more of a chance he has to win (yes, I have zero faith in Marcus).
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/6/2007 8:40:45 PM | message detail
And I forgot to mention it earlier, but tranny's divisional winners/losers list was right on the money. Axel should have NEVER been that close to Frog in the first place.

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FFDragon | Posted 9/6/2007 8:41:41 PM | message detail
That's what Frog does. He plays up or down to his competition. Why? Who knows.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/6/2007 8:45:36 PM | message detail
I have no idea on how Marcus will perform, but I do know we'll probably have a killer day vote, though due to Japan not wanting anything to do with the Xbox360.

Watch Marcus start in 3rd and work his way up to first with the day vote.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2007 8:46:36 PM | message detail
Yeah, even if Zelos is somehow in second at the beginning, the ToS day vote sucks.
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