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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 465

transience | Posted 9/6/2007 6:05:29 AM | message detail
well, this contest has had one comeback after another. I kinda like not having to pay attention for the day. plus, it's still interesting because we can speculate on what's up with Midna, or if Zelos has a chance tomorrow.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/6/2007 6:07:05 AM | message detail
Let's put it this way: Sheena would have a great shot at losing to Agent 47. So, you almost have to say Agent 47 is stronger than Marcus Fenix to say Zelos gets second tomorrow.

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transience | Posted 9/6/2007 6:07:50 AM | message detail
nah, Sheena would still hold 47 off. I think Zelos might be able to, too. that's just how the Talesbase rolls.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/6/2007 6:49:42 AM | message detail
Darn, I had a bad feeling inside of me that Agent 47 would break 15%, but I kept telling myself it wasn't likely. Oh well...

Scorpion still chugging along nicely I see.
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Xcarvengerx | Posted 9/6/2007 6:52:17 AM | message detail
Face box art pic strikes again!
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Adamantno1 | Posted 9/6/2007 7:19:52 AM | message detail
I'd wager Agent 47 >>> Hitman, while Gears of War >>> Marcus. Granted, Gears of War >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hitman. >_>

Agent 47's face>Hitman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Agent 47's name.

Seriously, no one knows him as anything but "guy from Hitman", people.

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Yesmar | Posted 9/6/2007 7:21:59 AM | message detail
I think we're getting down on Midna at the expense of Scorpion here. IMO, this result is more Scorpion doing well than Midna bombing, although don't get me wrong this performance of hers is disappointing. I mean, I saw a lot of posts that said stuff like 30% Midna, 27% Scorpion, and 25% Kratos, so it's not like we all expected Midna to be super ahead of Kratos or anything.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2007 7:22:48 AM | message detail
Does it matter? I dare you to find an unrecognizable Agent 47 picture.
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Xcarvengerx | Posted 9/6/2007 7:25:28 AM | message detail
Does it matter? I dare you to find an unrecognizable Agent 47 picture.

Go to google and type in Agent 47. Look at the first three pics.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2007 7:27:46 AM | message detail
Go to google and type in Agent 47. Look at the first three pics.

Daft as ever, I see. No, photoshops and pictures that aren't of Agent 47 don't count.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/6/2007 7:28:18 AM | message detail
It is Agent 47's most recognizable picture here, no doubt. In his match against Sora it's not obvious to those who only know Agent 47's face would recognize that Agent 47. I think he's overperforming a slight amount with his picture, but not much. If a certain group of people would only vote for his recognizable picture, I don't think they'd much incentive at all today when they have three other characters they potentially care about. Similarly, I don't think someone like the sprite version of Solid Snake would do as poorly in 4-way.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2007 7:30:48 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=11

You don't call that a recognizable picture? Forgive me if I'm skeptical, especially since this was the boxart to Hitman 2: Silent Assassin and has been plastered everywhere as much as his other shots.
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Xcarvengerx | Posted 9/6/2007 7:31:58 AM | message detail
I don't know what Agent 47 looks like. Only two, both from box arts. I bet many people like that too. And the face one gives a plus badass factor for him too as the standing one makes him looks like a generic mafia guy.
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swirIdude | Posted 9/6/2007 7:32:13 AM | message detail
Well his face is shadowy, so that makes it less recognizable to me.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2007 7:35:19 AM | message detail
No one cares what 47's face looks like. If you want to get down to the nitty-gritty, today's shot is mostly just the top of his head, his face is nearly obscured in it. And when talking about recognizability, the difference is in how many angels you can fit on the head of a pin.

The idea that he's overperforming based off of the picture here is REACHING. Plain and simple.
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 9/6/2007 7:36:02 AM | message detail
Hm, even with the new Hitman game, I think it's safe to say that Snake over performed on Sora now. If anyone was still doubting that.
swirIdude | Posted 9/6/2007 7:36:08 AM | message detail
The idea that he's overperforming based off of the picture here is REACHING. Plain and simple.

...he has guns <_<
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MnMZero | Posted 9/6/2007 7:36:36 AM | message detail
Wait, so Agent 47 becomes unrecognizable if he's not showing a gun? That makes sense...
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swirIdude | Posted 9/6/2007 7:37:33 AM | message detail
Can't anyone read the "<_<" these days?
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/6/2007 7:39:07 AM | message detail
I mean, I saw a lot of posts that said stuff like 30% Midna, 27% Scorpion, and 25% Kratos

>_>

At least people read my analysis (I wonder what's the plural form of analysis).
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MnMZero | Posted 9/6/2007 7:39:58 AM | message detail
Uh, I started that post before your message showed up...
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/6/2007 7:40:59 AM | message detail
blahblah complains about the zelda fanbase some more
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swirIdude | Posted 9/6/2007 7:42:25 AM | message detail
blahblah complains about the zelda fanbase some more

Good idea.

Stupid Zelda fanboys.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2007 7:43:15 AM | message detail
hay guyz who do you have Zelda or Vincent I have Zelda but I'm voting Vincent IMHHHHO
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Xcarvengerx | Posted 9/6/2007 7:43:28 AM | message detail
The idea that he's overperforming based off of the picture here is REACHING. Plain and simple.

Well, you correctly spotted me for not knowing the difference between the real Agent 47 and the photoshopped one because I don't know and I don't wanna know. But face it, he just looks like a "generic mafia guy" in suit. No one will recognise he was from Hitman if he didn't get his trademarked pose, well unless you have played the game which most visitors here have not.
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swirIdude | Posted 9/6/2007 7:44:25 AM | message detail
There was a file posted for making graphs of the contest matches, anyone have that?
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/6/2007 7:45:18 AM | message detail
What would be a better picture for Marcus Fenix, one that's a close up on his face or one where you can see his suit?
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/6/2007 7:46:09 AM | message detail
hay guyz who do you have Zelda or Vincent I have Zelda but I'm voting Vincent IMHHHHO

VINCENT > ZELDA > CRONO
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swirIdude | Posted 9/6/2007 7:46:18 AM | message detail
Never mind I found it in 459. There's a crap load of Stats topics up now.
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MnMZero | Posted 9/6/2007 7:46:56 AM | message detail
Well, you correctly spotted me for not knowing the difference between the real Agent 47 and the photoshopped one because I don't know and I don't wanna know. But face it, he just looks like a "generic mafia guy" in suit. No one will recognise he was from Hitman if he didn't get his trademarked pose, well unless you have played the game which most visitors here have not.

Trademark pose??? Huh? Bald guy + black suit + red tie = Hitman. In a video game character contest, I really don't see how people couldn't tell that its the guy from Hitman.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2007 7:47:55 AM | message detail
He doesn't have a trademarked pose. That picture was on the cover of ONE Hitman game - Contracts. 47's casual appeal comes from being a "generic mafia guy", one that looks really dark and badass.

So no, he wouldn't be underperforming with this picture:

http://www.music4games.net/Uploads/Images/hmb_agent47_vegas.jpg

or this one

http://www.tech2.com/media/images/uploads/2006/05/bmoney.jpg

or this one

http://www.smtechnologie.com/logitheque/uploads/photos/1151.jpg

heck, probably not even with this one

http://www.hitmangame.info/Hitman_contracts_silen-assassin_reklam.jpg
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Xcarvengerx | Posted 9/6/2007 7:50:49 AM | message detail
What would be a better picture for Marcus Fenix, one that's a close up on his face or one where you can see his suit?

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/4/928234_67282_front.jpg

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lettuce Kefka | Posted 9/6/2007 7:54:06 AM | message detail
I don't see why 47 is over performing. Maybe the contest format just helps PC based characters more. As PC gamers tend to stick to just PC games, add the fact that there's less PC game characters in this contest. It's then less likely characters like 47 votes get split among other characters.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2007 7:55:50 AM | message detail
augh 47's not a PC character
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lettuce Kefka | Posted 9/6/2007 7:56:53 AM | message detail
Maybe I'm wrong, but I though his games started on PC and move onto consoles later. Hence why I used the term 'PC based' characters.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2007 7:58:27 AM | message detail
Only the first game of his was on PC. Since then, the focus has been on the consoles, so much so that the third game in the series is pretty much just a remake of the first game for the most part (to appease the console crowd).

He started on PC, but that doesn't make him "PC-based" in the slightest, that's a small part of his fanbase now.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2007 7:58:56 AM | message detail
*only his first game was only on the PC, I should clarify
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lettuce Kefka | Posted 9/6/2007 7:59:39 AM | message detail
Meh. I only played the first one. But he's more PC than the other characters. ¬_¬
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 9/6/2007 8:01:04 AM | message detail
He's only over performing if you take his 2k5 stat at face value. Remember that he was behind that Snake/Sora match. "!". Actually fits in pretty well if you move Sora up to his 2k4 value.
Xcarvengerx | Posted 9/6/2007 8:01:38 AM | message detail
Trademark pose??? Huh? Bald guy + black suit + red tie = Hitman. In a video game character contest, I really don't see how people couldn't tell that its the guy from Hitman.

He doesn't have a trademarked pose. That picture was on the cover of ONE Hitman game - Contracts. 47's casual appeal comes from being a "generic mafia guy", one that looks really dark and badass.

Fine, not a trademark pose. I have not played any Hitman games and don't plan to play them, like most of voters here, so I wouldn't know nor care what Hitman looks like, except when he was shown outside the game, e.g. in box arts and/or previews/reviews.

Oh, I am not checking those pics because I am on dial-up and I don't load pics unless really necessary. So someone else can comment whether he is really recognisable in those pictures or not.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/6/2007 8:02:48 AM | message detail
Guys, he's obviously SFFing Midna, and Midna's going to go crazy next round and advance with Samus.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2007 8:05:40 AM | message detail
Using an adjusted 47 through 2k4 Sora puts him at 16.93 on BL, for those who are wondering. This is probably still an improvement relative to that (implying that 47 boosted or that Sora 2k5 is underrated through this method). It also puts him about equal to Lloyd Irving, for what that's worth.
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ZFS | Posted 9/6/2007 8:10:03 AM | message detail
But face it, he just looks like a "generic mafia guy" in suit. No one will recognise he was from Hitman if he didn't get his trademarked pose, well unless you have played the game which most visitors here have not.

Now this may just be me, but I haven't played any of the Hitman games (perhaps regrettably), but Agent 47 might just be one of the most distinct looking characters there are. There's nothing "generic" looking about the guy when it comes to videogames. I see that and I see "Hitman."

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Yesmar | Posted 9/6/2007 8:12:34 AM | message detail
lol @ 99.99%. That's happened before, right?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/6/2007 8:15:28 AM | message detail
Fine, not a trademark pose. I have not played any Hitman games and don't plan to play them, like most of voters here, so I wouldn't know nor care what Hitman looks like, except when he was shown outside the game, e.g. in box arts and/or previews/reviews.

Why the **** would it matter if you recognized someone from box art or not? If you've played the game, you like him anyway, and if you haven't, you'll vote based on the cool picture whether you recognize him or not. Or, you'll just vote for Scorpion, who is infinitely more recognizable than 47.

Also, the is GameFAQs. I think you'll find that almost every game has a relatively high level of play here. I mean, 18% of the site has Madden 08 alone (and many more have likely played a Madden game), and the site hates Madden. I think it's almost assured that at least 18% of the site has played a Hitman game (it is a multi-million selling series that's well-liked, after all).
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YoAriel33 | Posted 9/6/2007 8:18:59 AM | message detail
I look at Agent 47's picture and want to vote for him soooo bad. That doesn't happen often.
Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2007 8:19:51 AM | message detail
I agree let's all go play Hitman now
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BDawg | Posted 9/6/2007 8:25:22 AM | message detail
Personally I'm not swayed by baldness and guns, but more power to you.
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Xcarvengerx | Posted 9/6/2007 8:32:33 AM | message detail
Why the **** would it matter if you recognized someone from box art or not? If you've played the game, you like him anyway, and if you haven't, you'll vote based on the cool picture whether you recognize him or not. Or, you'll just vote for Scorpion, who is infinitely more recognizable than 47.

People have different taste and not everyone knows Scorpion, so if Scorpion = Agent 47 in coolness based on the pics alone, then wouldn't it be true that 47 also got some of Scorpion's votes, thus make 47 looks stronger and hold Scorpion back? And box art pics almost always equal cool + recognition if that matters.


Also, the is GameFAQs. I think you'll find that almost every game has a relatively high level of play here. I mean, 18% of the site has Madden 08 alone (and many more have likely played a Madden game), and the site hates Madden. I think it's almost assured that at least 18% of the site has played a Hitman game (it is a multi-million selling series that's well-liked, after all).

After people played the game, they may not like the character. And also they may like other characters in the poll more. So, sales does not really equal strength of the character if that's what you are saying. Yes, more recognition by playing the games, but without casuals who have not played the game, a character won't do very well in a popularity contest if he gets generic/obscure in-game pic. Well, not as well as what that character could do if he got one of his/her most recognised pics.

Just wait for Marcus Fenix pic tomorrow. If he is unrecognisable or looks too generic, he will perform far worse than what he could do if he gets his box shot pic.

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Lady Ashe | Posted 9/6/2007 8:36:25 AM | message detail
...That many people have played a Madden game? This site is supposed to be filled with gaming elitists. :(

I should probably go check Balthier's section of the bracket, because unless the people he is around are total crap, he'll be doing pretty poorly himself. (Can't remember who he is against in the second round)
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