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RPGGamer0 | Posted 9/5/2007 9:58:32 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sure that Scorpion's taking Frog out.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/5/2007 10:01:30 PM | message detail
I, too, have Samus > Frog, but I'd be quite happy if I had Scorpion instead. I think Scorpion is a pretty clear step above Axel.
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Yesmar | Posted 9/5/2007 10:01:51 PM | message detail
You know, I'm beginning to think that we didn't overestimate Midna, but we overestimated Twilight Princess. There was so much hype going into it, and it won GOTY handily, but it seems to have fallen off since then.

Sure it's the biggest Wii game, but for some reason, I'm just not sure it'll stand the test of time. The Wii has continued to explode without any apparent help from TP. Years from now, I'm not even sure it'll be more remembered that much more than Wind Waker if at all. Someone brought up LttP earlier, and I would never in a million years take Twilight Princess to beat LttP. This is all complete speculation, but I think the problem lies with Twilight Princess, not Midna herself.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/5/2007 10:03:05 PM | message detail
I'd be a bit sketchy about taking LttP to beat TP now... but in a year or so I'd have total confidence in LttP > TP. Just gotta get that recency out of the way...
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BDawg | Posted 9/5/2007 10:03:43 PM | message detail
Well, here's hoping Marcus actually shows up for contest debut. Sorry Midna, that ain't GoW Kratos that's breathing down your neck.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/5/2007 10:04:12 PM | message detail
Years from now, I'm not even sure it'll be more remembered that much more than Wind Waker if at all.

It's already surpassed Wind Waker's sales and it isn't even Player's Choice yet. It's certainly a much bigger game...
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/5/2007 10:04:20 PM | message detail
What percent would you take FFVII to get on Twilight Princess, if FFVII were just as strong as it was when it beat OOT?
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MadGamer_11 | Posted 9/5/2007 10:06:12 PM | message detail
FFVII>>>>>TP by a lot IMO.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/5/2007 10:06:54 PM | message detail
I'd say like 65-35 right now. >.>
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hochiminh155 | Posted 9/5/2007 10:07:27 PM | message detail
FFVII: 50.55%
TP: 49.45%


BTW, ToS is good with the day vote right? Didn't Mithos win against Kefka, sheena win against Jill and Kratos in against Diablo?
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/5/2007 10:08:51 PM | message detail
Considering FF7 and OOT are sploodge to this site while TP is Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Id say 7 beats it by a good amount.
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ZFS | Posted 9/5/2007 10:09:57 PM | message detail
Eh, I'd take Twilight Princess to get around 40% on Final Fantasy VII right now. The hype surrounding the game was more of a detriment than anything, at least as far as the post-release is concerned. I'm of the opinion that it's the best Zelda game, but when the game wasn't Ocarina of Time 2.0, I'm sure that some folks were a bit disappointed. Still, it's not going to be weak by any means. I'd put it up there with games like Final Fantasy VI and Mario 3.

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Yesmar | Posted 9/5/2007 10:10:29 PM | message detail
What percent would you take FFVII to get on Twilight Princess, if FFVII were just as strong as it was when it beat OOT?

~35%. That seems too low when I think about it, but I just can't see it beating any of the games above it.


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creativename | Posted 9/5/2007 10:15:32 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter:
Blame the board on that one, I don't think she's a flop just because she's not up there with Zelda or Kirby!

She's a flop relative to expectations I'd say. There isn't any other way to flop way really. You can only flop relative to general expectations.

If she had been less of a disappointment relative to expectations she wouldn't be a flop, but she's pretty far short of them. However as long as she stays above 26% or so I won't consider her a "bomb".


RPGuy:
Scorpion isn't exactly up there with Zelda and Kirby, and she's losing by 10% and unlikely to do much better as the day goes on. If you throw Ness or Fox in this match rather than her chances are they'd do better than this, and a fairly major Zelda character not being on par with those two is pretty floppy.

Not sure if Ness or Fox would do better, but she was favored over Scorpion pretty clearly, and she is losing by like 10%. That is pretty floppy, as you said


00:00 | 17.09% | 26.88% | 44.86% | 11.17%
Don't have much to say about that.


That is pretty shady. It might well not have been legit. But what's really weird is that it seems to have come entirely at the expense of Samus. What the hell happened with Samus voters there? Frog stuffing wouldn't affect her.

Before Frog's comeback I thought cheating was the only way he could do it, but now I'm unsure.
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creativename | Posted 9/5/2007 10:18:22 PM | message detail
I don't think Twilight Princess would get under 40% on FF7.

I also think FF7 is slightly weaker relative to Zelda than it was back then, so OoT would probably do better, if not win outright. Only thing that makes me doubt OoT is that you don't hear as much nowadays about OoT as FF7...the latter has just aged so tremendously. (course Ocarina has aged great too, it's just not in the consciousness as much anymore I think)
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hochiminh155 | Posted 9/5/2007 10:20:15 PM | message detail
ToS is good with the day vote right? Didn't Mithos win against Kefka, sheena win against Jill and Kratos in against Diablo?

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/5/2007 10:20:26 PM | message detail
I knew I should have stuck with Scorpion. But I figured that I usually get burned by characters I don't know, so I'd go with the flow on this one.

Anyways, less chatting about this boring match and more talk about my crazy theories. All I got was a smartassed comment from KH and someone saying that nothing will be a bigger upset than Knux/Magus.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/5/2007 10:21:23 PM | message detail
ToS is good with the day vote right? Didn't Mithos win against Kefka, sheena win against Jill and Kratos in against Diablo?

I shouldn't have to explain this

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Gaddswell | Posted 9/5/2007 10:22:28 PM | message detail
I thought Diablo was actually supposed to be good with the day.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/5/2007 10:22:41 PM | message detail
Kratos in against Diablo?

You will for that one.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/5/2007 10:23:35 PM | message detail
I'm starting to get a really eerie feeling about tomorrow's match. Marcus Fenix is extremely generic looking (with a close up shot, which is what he'll likely get, anyway) and he isn't the face of an entire console like Master Chief is. Since the main draw of GoW is the multiplayer, you could literally play that game for hours on end and not recognize the name (the game's story is thin when it comes to his name, too). I'm thinking he'll suffer from pre-HL2 Gordon Freeman syndrome and lose to Zelos.
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/5/2007 10:23:50 PM | message detail
FF7 52% OoT 48%
FF7 55% LttP 45%
FF7 62% TP 38%
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Lopen | Posted 9/5/2007 10:24:50 PM | message detail
Diablo's day vote is pretty fierce, I think you do.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/5/2007 10:25:33 PM | message detail
He may suffer from pre-HL2 Gordon syndrome, but it would never be bad enough to lose to Zelos, especially with Kefka in there sapping all the RPG support.

Though it will be important in telling me if I made a great dark horse pick, or just screwed my bracket again by taking Fenix to round 3.

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Keno316 | Posted 9/5/2007 10:27:37 PM | message detail
Well...if Scorpion pulls through, this will be the 5th match where the 4 choice in the match wins.
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JustForFun1988 | Posted 9/5/2007 10:28:32 PM | message detail
After 3 days of exciting matches, this one is just too boring for my taste. All right, i am going out now rather than to watch Midna losing votes to Scorpion like nobody business.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/5/2007 10:28:42 PM | message detail
Oh wait, what was I thinking. My bad on Diablo, but the other ones are self-explanitory.

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Keno316 | Posted 9/5/2007 10:31:10 PM | message detail
Scorp's gains are starting to slow down...but then again, so are Midna's gains on Kratos. >>
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Lopen | Posted 9/5/2007 10:32:01 PM | message detail
I would not expect Kefka to be any sort of SFF threat, myself.

And if Marcus is pre HL2 Gordon, you bet your ass he's losing to Zelos, and with ease. I mean come on... Tina Armstrong, Max Payne?
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Tai | Posted 9/5/2007 10:32:17 PM | message detail
I'll laugh if Midna falls apart. XD
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/5/2007 10:33:43 PM | message detail
Actually, looking at it, Diablo never really went up against anybody that good with the day vote. Just Ganondorf, M Bison and Sonic who all do great with the morning vote but have a pretty bleh day vote.

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transience | Posted 9/5/2007 10:40:40 PM | message detail
That is pretty shady. It might well not have been legit. But what's really weird is that it seems to have come entirely at the expense of Samus. What the hell happened with Samus voters there? Frog stuffing wouldn't affect her.

I think Axel had his own little rally there - obviously it wasn't much, but it was enough to keep him from dropping in percentage much. realistically, Frog brought an extra 10% in that last half an hour. Axel should have lost a lot, lot more.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 9/5/2007 10:50:01 PM | message detail
Wow, Frog came back in the last hour and a half? Pretty sweet.
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Keno316 | Posted 9/5/2007 11:01:48 PM | message detail
2100 vote lead in 2 hours....Nice.

I think this voting trend will probably continue through the day...maybe with Midna equaling Scorpion's % of the vote during the day.
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Big Bob | Posted 9/5/2007 11:05:38 PM | message detail
If the fourpack was Link, Samus, Mario, and Cloud, would Cloud surpass Link?

And if Midna were announced for Brawl tonight, would she be able to make a comeback? >_>
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MMXcalibur | Posted 9/5/2007 11:07:33 PM | message detail
Well, it looks like I'll get out of Division 1 okay. I dropped 4 points, 2 on Diablo placing 2nd and 2 on putting Midna > Scorpion instead of the other way around. If this were a war, I'd be getting out of the battlefiend that is Division 1 missing an arm. But goddamn.....I thought this wasn't that tough of a division going in outside of Midna v. Scorpion and some possible trouble with Diablo v. KOS-MOS.

Things for the near future look pretty good, but I'm worried about some of the landmines that are coming in matches that look "easy" to call, but are going to be far from it come time the match hits the polls.
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 9/5/2007 11:10:23 PM | message detail
Cloud would easily win that.

No way does Mario get past Sephiroth to create that situation though. Even with Vincent there to suck votes away, we've basically seen how a Link/Mario/Sephiroth/Vincent poll would go, in round two of the battle royal (Link/Mario/Cloud/Sephiroth/Snake, where Sephi easily outdoes Mario).
Lightning Strikes | Posted 9/5/2007 11:10:29 PM | message detail
Kratos won that last update!

Now let's hope he can pull off a comeback. Maybe. If Scorpion steals Midna's votes during the day, his will be pretty consistent.
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Lopen | Posted 9/5/2007 11:15:01 PM | message detail
It doesn't look good for Kratos right now, but he's stalling alright. And as every friggin match this contest has had a comeback so far, it'd almost be foolish to count Kratos out.
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RyanBaer | Posted 9/5/2007 11:17:24 PM | message detail
its too early to say kratos is out of it. Hes only down by 659, and stalling it.. he could easily come back
Keno316 | Posted 9/5/2007 11:18:32 PM | message detail
Really is funny how in every match there's been a comeback, but its always in the 2nd or 3rd place.
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whatev | Posted 9/5/2007 11:18:59 PM | message detail
43 toroidalworld 12 Link

Nice, my first leaderboard. Too bad I'll be losing it on this match. Oh well. One day is enough for me.

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whatev | Posted 9/5/2007 11:22:36 PM | message detail
I mean, sure, it's easier to get on due to the format of this contest (and since half the brackets are dead on arrival), but I only ever submit one bracket, so it's still something. Now if only I could be there at the end...
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voltch | Posted 9/5/2007 11:25:54 PM | message detail
after one division we get this many casualties.
well best get those errors out of the way in the early rounds.
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JustForFun1988 | Posted 9/5/2007 11:27:33 PM | message detail
I have Kefka > Marcus for tomorrow and now i am worried. Kratos performs very well in today poll, he manages to secure 22%(probably more once the day comes) despite Midna taking some of his Nintendo/GameCube support away.

Zelo is definitely more popular than Kratos and I doubt Marcus is a strong X-box character despite overwhelming GOW sales.
Keno316 | Posted 9/5/2007 11:29:00 PM | message detail
I don't think Zelos is more popular than Kratos.


...Well, not in Japan, anyway...
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RyanBaer | Posted 9/5/2007 11:30:20 PM | message detail
Zelos would be more popular in japan cuz of the fangirls
Adept of Aiur | Posted 9/5/2007 11:30:36 PM | message detail
I have Kefka > Marcus for tomorrow and now i am worried. Kratos performs very well in today poll, he manages to secure 22%(probably more once the day comes) despite Midna taking some of his Nintendo/GameCube support away.

Zelo is definitely more popular than Kratos and I doubt Marcus is a strong X-box character despite overwhelming GOW sales.


It is possible that Midna is just weak as hell ya know.
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Keno316 | Posted 9/5/2007 11:31:22 PM | message detail
Last I check, Kratos always placed higher than Zelos in the Tales of Popularity polls. Hell, he even won one of them.
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