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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 459

greatone10 | Posted 9/4/2007 9:50:59 PM | message detail
Of course, if you picked Vaan > anything, you might as well give up and wait until the next contest.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/4/2007 9:51:02 PM | message detail
guys let's correct Ulti some more lol Peach = Joke Fodder

hay I heard that you can charge atomic fire
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rpgapzx | Posted 9/4/2007 9:51:12 PM | message detail
Correct Ulti = New fad. Board 8. GOGOGOGOGOGOOGOO!
Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2007 9:51:34 PM | message detail
hay I heard that you can charge atomic fire

Let's not say things we can't take back
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/4/2007 9:52:58 PM | message detail
No TP has well outsold GeoW, and on GFAQs, Zelda's fanbase is unrivaled and they have a recent release and an up coming one too

Hay. Sales numbers have already been posted. GoW has outsold Zelda:TP (both GC + Wii) in America. Also, Zelda's fanbase is rivaled by Final Fantasy's.
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Keno316 | Posted 9/4/2007 9:56:34 PM | message detail
Board + Night is always Frog's glory hour, but man is he pouring it on here. Hopefully, this speaks good for Crono. But I guess I'll have to wait til the day skew.
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Lopen | Posted 9/4/2007 9:57:05 PM | message detail
So it seems that the bracket gods screwing me over didn't matter, as neither Axel nor Kerrigan seem to have much of a chance here. Heh heh.
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Janus5000 | Posted 9/4/2007 9:57:15 PM | message detail
If you put Yoshi > Yoshi, you'd get 3 points. <_<
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/4/2007 10:00:18 PM | message detail
If you don't think this match is over, you're goddamn insane. Frog is going to have a 2,000 vote lead in no time.

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JaKyL25 | Posted 9/4/2007 10:02:06 PM | message detail
I'm calling it, collecting my 4 points, and moving on with my day once Frog hits that magical 1000 vote lead.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/4/2007 10:05:04 PM | message detail
people are expecting strength out of Midna because she's Zelda. she's essentially the main character in the most popular game of the year by far.

Gears of War sold twice as much as Twilight Princess.



Since TG took it away from what's important first, I'll bring it back and solve this issue real quick about LoZ:TP and GeoW as far as this contest is concerned:


More people on GameFAQs believe LoZ:TP was the GotY two months after its release than people who have a 360 today.


Argue about sales, counting the ports, and some-such all you want...but that's the important note you need to make if you're comparing LoZ:TP's and GeoW's success here.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/4/2007 10:08:34 PM | message detail
I'm comparing it with your chin.

Your chin wins.

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/4/2007 10:09:18 PM | message detail
My chin is unfairly shielded by a goatee, currently.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/4/2007 10:10:36 PM | message detail
You can have the same character advancing twice? See this is why staying up 24 hours is a bad idea.

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 9/4/2007 10:11:58 PM | message detail
Wow... the protrusion from the bottom of your face must be making school children cry.

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Xcarvengerx | Posted 9/4/2007 10:13:13 PM | message detail
You can have the same character advancing twice?

You can't.
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Keno316 | Posted 9/4/2007 10:21:36 PM | message detail
Frog breaches a 1000 lead quicker than any 2nd place so far. Oh yeah. Looking good green buddy!
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rpgapzx | Posted 9/4/2007 10:24:16 PM | message detail
Thought: Has anyone ever thought of making graphs for any of these CBs? It shouldn't be very difficult to do it with time on the x-axis and votes, %, or % per update on the y-axis. More importantly, looking at the graph would instantly tell us more than we could every learn than by going through the poll updater for several hours.
Xcarvengerx | Posted 9/4/2007 10:28:46 PM | message detail
Thought: Has anyone ever thought of making graphs for any of these CBs? It shouldn't be very difficult to do it with time on the x-axis and votes, %, or % per update on the y-axis. More importantly, looking at the graph would instantly tell us more than we could every learn than by going through the poll updater for several hours.

You can do it in excel. Use this if you can't be bothered to make it yourself:
http://chocobo.sitesled.com/2006%20Battle%20Royale%203.zip

but you need to fill in all the votes from the updater first, and this is only for 15 minutes update (should not be too hard if you want to do it for 5 minutes update).
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creativename | Posted 9/4/2007 10:29:53 PM | message detail
Thought: Has anyone ever thought of making graphs for any of these CBs? It shouldn't be very difficult to do it with time on the x-axis and votes, %, or % per update on the y-axis. More importantly, looking at the graph would instantly tell us more than we could every learn than by going through the poll updater for several hours.

Yes actually...this was on my to-do list a long time ago, then I completely forgot about it. I'd have to find an easy to use PHP graphing class. Now that you've reminded me I might look into that.
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transience | Posted 9/4/2007 10:30:06 PM | message detail
Kerrigan got third place in an update. it's the only thing she's ever won!
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Xuxon | Posted 9/4/2007 10:32:41 PM | message detail
Didn't she win an update against Terra?
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Xcarvengerx | Posted 9/4/2007 10:33:50 PM | message detail
Kerrigan got third place in an update. it's the only thing she's ever won!

Proving the significance of having a box art face pic.
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transience | Posted 9/4/2007 10:35:15 PM | message detail
she probably won one during the night. I can't say I paid much attention!
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Xuxon | Posted 9/4/2007 10:35:45 PM | message detail
Yeah, she did win one. But actually it wasn't at night.

2006-09-21 17:30:01
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49.28%
50.72%
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Just Some Person | Posted 9/4/2007 10:35:58 PM | message detail
The order matters!

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Zaphod H | Posted 9/4/2007 10:38:59 PM | message detail
I think that if you have Yoshi > Yoshi the contest form script should flag that as an error, though I haven't tried it so can't say for sure.

For the first round matches (first 32), any score of perfect - 1 will be impossible. I think this extends to all rounds...
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Xuxon | Posted 9/4/2007 10:41:18 PM | message detail
Yeah, perfect - 1 is impossible. And, if people knew order mattered, I'd guess even scores to be a lot more common. As it is... I still think they'll be a bit more common.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 9/4/2007 10:41:48 PM | message detail
If you have Javascript enabled on your browser, you'll get an error if you try to choose Yoshi > Yoshi. You might be able to submit it if you disable Javascript, but it probably just voids your entry.
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Zaphod H | Posted 9/4/2007 10:54:32 PM | message detail
After the first round every match adds an even number of points, so the only way to have an odd numbered score is to have an odd number of 1 pt matches in the first round.

If a user who knows the rules, 1 pt matches would be rare: likely "groups of death" where there are no clear cut 1st or 2nd place.

Zero brackets can get some 1 pt matches in matches like Link's where they guess the wrong fodder to not make it.

But it's much easier for a bracket that does not know the rules (i.e. 50% picking MM to finish 2nd, under the interpretation of the % that makes the most sense) to get 1 points; they choose the wrong "fodder" to advance that has a name above the uncontested winner of the match (i.e. Bidoof > Link), or matches that have 3 solid contenders and choosing 1 wrong (i.e. Rikku > Yoshi).

Hm...as usual these things end up overanalyzed and no conclusion is reached ha ha.


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andaca | Posted 9/4/2007 11:37:15 PM | message detail
43.16% had Mega Man first / 11.92% had Mega Man second
18.17% had KOS-MOS first / 50.43% had KOS-MOS second


This is the wrong way to interpret the data.

If you take a look at the current score distribution and you have a calculator handy, you can find fairly easily that the average score per entry is 3.73. Figuring out that much is easy -- you can do weighted averages, you can find raw totals and divide, whatever suits you.

However, you can then also take a look at the percentages listed and, knowing how the scoring system works, calculate which system must be in use for displaying prediction percentages.

For instance.

43.16% had Mega Man first / 11.92% had Mega Man second
18.17% had KOS-MOS first / 50.43% had KOS-MOS second


If this method of interpreting the percentages were correct, then if you doubled the bolded percentages, added this to the non-bolded percentages, divided by 100 (because they're percentages), and then added this sub-total to the total you would derive doing a similar operation to the listed prediction percentages from the first day, you would expect to arrive at the previously calculated (and certainly correct) average score per entry of 3.73. Instead, you get 4.318 as a result, which means that the listed method of analysis if incorrect.

(Note: that looks complicated, but all you're doing is finding, based upon the percentages given, what the average expected score per entry is going to be. If any of you have ever taken a stats course, something like this will be in your notes.)

However, if you interpret the data to mean (switching around first and second in the row for KOS-MOS), as follows:

43.16% had Mega Man first / 11.92% had Mega Man second
18.17% had KOS-MOS second/ 50.43% had KOS-MOS first


And then proceed to calculate out the average score per entry based upon prediction percentages, you arrive at the correct value of 3.73. Which means that the

%first / %second
%second / %first

format must be the one they're using.

Which means that, yes, KOS-MOS was actually the favorite over Mega Man.
transience | Posted 9/4/2007 11:44:46 PM | message detail
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andaca | Posted 9/4/2007 11:49:35 PM | message detail
For the sake of making something that is a tad messy slightly less so, pretend that the last set of numbers I gave there looks like

43.16% had Mega Man first / 11.92% had Mega Man second
18.17% had KOS-MOS second/ 50.43% had KOS-MOS first


With it bolded this way, the riff I mentioned about "doubling the bolded entries before adding it to that whole other mess" works directly, and you don't have to make any adaptations on your own to account for me being lazy/it being late/Civ Pro being boring.
whatev | Posted 9/4/2007 11:50:20 PM | message detail
No, they reformatted the contest stats now. Look at the page again.

Mega Man 43.16% / 50.43%
KOS-MOS 18.17% / 11.92%
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whatev | Posted 9/4/2007 11:52:40 PM | message detail
I've already done the math, and everything works out as it's supposed to. It certainly makes a lot more sense than it did previously.
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andaca | Posted 9/4/2007 11:55:14 PM | message detail
Ah, just in time for all of that to have been a waste.

I had thought about that happening, too. "What if there was just a really stupid, nonsensical error in how they presented the numbers such that the numbers next to each character didn't actually correspond to each character? That'd make the numbers work out right also....nah, but that's silly......"

Grrr.
HaRRicH | Posted 9/5/2007 12:41:52 AM | message detail
22% on Vincent pre-DoC, or 12% on Samus post-MP3 plus Frog plus Axel?

I'm inclined to believe this is her best performance ever...whether it's because of the box-art, announcement of SC2, the Blizzard carry-over from yesterday, or simply the format, this is the most impressive she's been. Now please, let us retire her.
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Janus5000 | Posted 9/5/2007 12:56:46 AM | message detail
Don't look now, but Axel won the last two 15 minute updates.
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Lopen | Posted 9/5/2007 1:08:41 AM | message detail
The poll is kinda amusing right now. Kerrigan's stalling Axel and Axel is stalling Frog, so they're all splitting about evenly. If only the match were close this would be some crazy stuff.
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Lopen | Posted 9/5/2007 1:15:03 AM | message detail
This is all kinda weird to me... Frog is starting to lose steam in the dead hours of the night. Isn't this Chrono Trigger's strongest time? Wouldn't it make sense for Axel to make his move during the day vote instead?

This thing'll be a 3 way neck and neck battle tomorrow... Kerrigan is gonna crack out her random day vote and Frog is just gonna collapse, it's gonna be marvelous!

... okay, maybe not... but if Axel keeps stalling this might be cause for concern for Frog pickers.
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wavedash101 | Posted 9/5/2007 1:27:49 AM | message detail
Hay. Sales numbers have already been posted. GoW has outsold Zelda:TP (both GC + Wii) in America.

Well at least prove it with non VG Chartz numbers...they dont have accurate software numbers at all, since much of it is estimated numbers and not info from the retail chains themselves
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Xcarvengerx | Posted 9/5/2007 1:32:07 AM | message detail
Hey guys FFXII sold a lot but why Vaan boom out?
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/5/2007 1:32:53 AM | message detail
Because FFXII has no character development AT ALL! 'Cept for Balthier and Ashe.

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wavedash101 | Posted 9/5/2007 1:34:16 AM | message detail
Rikku looked better with the same amount of clothes on
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Gaddswell | Posted 9/5/2007 2:17:10 AM | message detail
Surprising to see Axel's holding on very well against Frog right now and slowly chipping away at the lead.
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Lopen | Posted 9/5/2007 2:19:25 AM | message detail
Seriously. Given CT's notoriously bad day vote and KH's awesome one, Axel just might come back here.

It's also kinda funny to see Kerrigan chip off at Frog's lead too once in a while. (Though she's almost always losing to Axel)
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Gaddswell | Posted 9/5/2007 2:24:29 AM | message detail
Under 1500 again!

So much for the great CT night vote.
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Starion | Posted 9/5/2007 2:29:49 AM | message detail
It would be more convincing if he consistently cut into the lead by double digits. Granted, this is the dead portion of the poll but Axel needs to do much better than this if he wants catch up.
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CP724 | Posted 9/5/2007 2:29:58 AM | message detail
Wow, axel is really putting up a fight here.
xp1337 | Posted 9/5/2007 2:45:15 AM | message detail
Just really checking in for the first time since the first half-hour.

What's the general opinion of the Frog/Axel battle?

I see Axel seems to be cutting into Frog right now, but what's the consensus? Too late, Frog getting to 1500 was too much? Or that Axel still has a good shot at pulling this off, or at least making one heck of a fight out of it?
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