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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 458

TRE Public Account | Posted 9/4/2007 10:42:49 AM | message detail
Outside of a random appearance by Slowflake, this match is over.
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JustForFun1988 | Posted 9/4/2007 10:44:00 AM | message detail
This match is virtually over unless you think Arthas can vote swing 2000 votes in 10 hours when Knuckles can only vote swing 1700 votes in 13 hours.
King Morgoth | Posted 9/4/2007 10:45:46 AM | message detail
Which pick(s) are you now regretting?
Scorpion > Midna and Marcus > Kefka are worrying me a bit, but the one I'm really doubting is Fox > Wario....
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/4/2007 10:47:42 AM | message detail
So how many perfect brackets will remain after this match assuming KOS gets second? Since it was like 17% after the first friggin match, I'm going to go with...maybe 8%
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transience | Posted 9/4/2007 10:49:13 AM | message detail
I think today will tell how many people read the rules. if MM's first and second place picks are wildly off, we'll know that the leaderboard will be board 8 land real soon.
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"where the heck does diablo get his votes from on weekends? He should be losing because christians are fresh from the church and voting against evil" -voltch
Cecil XIX | Posted 9/4/2007 10:54:33 AM | message detail
Seems I underestimated how much Diablo and WOW share a fanbase. As someone who was rather isolated community-wise, just how popular *was* Diablo back in the day?
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transience | Posted 9/4/2007 10:57:21 AM | message detail
Diablo is slightly overestimated because he won three matches in one contest, but he's still a little bit stronger than KOS. not a lot, but he's no pathetic weakling.
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Buzzup | Posted 9/4/2007 11:00:01 AM | message detail
KOS did pretty well for herself in 2k6 though, from Xenosaga III being very well received to giving her a huge picture advantage everytime, I would take her over Diablo one on one.
MMXcalibur | Posted 9/4/2007 11:01:48 AM | message detail
KOS did pretty well for herself in 2k6 though, from Xenosaga III being very well received to giving her a huge picture advantage everytime, I would take her over Diablo one on one.

Then you'd have a few less points then those that didn't.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2007 11:02:54 AM | message detail
I'll go with Diablo head-to-head due to a more casual recognition (that and he could get a better picture, but then again he's not exactly photogenic).

I'd struggle like hell with KOS-MOS/Arthas though...
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transience | Posted 9/4/2007 11:03:02 AM | message detail
that match is debatable. I think people have this image of KOS as a weakling for some reason - she's really not. she has a pretty good contest history, with one exception: that match with Luigi.
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JustForFun1988 | Posted 9/4/2007 11:03:10 AM | message detail
Then you'd have a few less points then those that didn't.

I chuckled.
Forceful Dragon | Posted 9/4/2007 11:03:13 AM | message detail
From: transience
I think today will tell how many people read the rules. if MM's first and second place picks are wildly off, we'll know that the leaderboard will be board 8 land real soon.


I agree. The fact that just over 50% had Yoshi slotted 2nd yesterday indicates we'll see at least 35% Partial Percent next to Mega Man's name. But on B8 we've been discussing points for weeks.

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sephirath42 | Posted 9/4/2007 11:03:46 AM | message detail
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/4/2007 11:04:26 AM | message detail
KOS-MOS isn't weak by any means...I just overestimated Diablo's strength.
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transience | Posted 9/4/2007 11:05:50 AM | message detail
Yoshi was in a debatable match though. I can understand people not picking him.

MM has never had a great prediction percentage, but he's clearly the cream of the crop here. if you picked him, you should know he's going to take first.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2007 11:05:57 AM | message detail
I can just never get a good idea of KOS in my head - partially because I've never played Xenosaga, partially because I don't believe Xenosaga would be worth anything in a contest (certainly not on par with Xenogears).

But if that's the case... what's stopping XS characters from getting in the contest (for Pete's sake there were 128 slots this time) - not to mention being on KOS's level?
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transience | Posted 9/4/2007 11:11:00 AM | message detail
KOS was *the* "gaming girl" in 2003. Xenosaga 1 sold twice as many copies as Xenogears. Xenosaga's main character is a ball of failure that no video game has ever matched, and that's not even an opinion. it's a damn fact.

my opinion of KOS is that she does well vs. characters without a real fanbase (Diablo), respectably to stronger characters without a Nintendo/Square affiliation, and terrible against a universally beloved character. the only exception here is Aeris, but I have no idea what's up with Aeris 2k6.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2007 11:12:47 AM | message detail
Xenosaga 1 sold twice as many copies as Xenogears.

Granted, but so have many games. Would you take Xenosaga to beat Xenogears is what I'm asking (if you did, things make considerably more sense to me).
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/4/2007 11:13:58 AM | message detail
I'd take Xenosaga 1 over Xenogears any day of the week.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2007 11:14:06 AM | message detail
And don't forget KOS's respectable performance on Samus. Looking at that and Aeris, it's probably more appropriate to postulate that Luigi was the anomaly (but he seems to mess things up more than anyone looking back at matches).
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transience | Posted 9/4/2007 11:16:01 AM | message detail
I think it'd be a toss-up, but I don't think Xenogears is worth a whole lot lately. Xenosaga is a lot more "now" than Xenogears is. Xenosaga's a lot more love-hate, too. but most of all, Xenosaga is simply something that a lot of people have an opinion on.

to add to it, Xenosaga's main "villain" doesn't show up for a long time. (think Krelian here.) the rest of Xenosaga is an ensemble cast besides the hated main character - all liked guys, but different strokes for different folks. it'd be like asking why various Symphonia characters haven't made the bracket. the difference is that Symphonia is more recent and more loved on the boards, and that damn female bracket helped things out too.
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Buzzup | Posted 9/4/2007 11:18:03 AM | message detail
KOS still has some of that stigma left from her match with Luigi (I know how it feels, I actually took that upset u.u), but her acceptable to good performances outnumber her one bad one, and that was in the year that the universally loathed XSII came out.

Who would you guys pick between KOS and M. Bison?
transience | Posted 9/4/2007 11:18:19 AM | message detail
And don't forget KOS's respectable performance on Samus. Looking at that and Aeris, it's probably more appropriate to postulate that Luigi was the anomaly (but he seems to mess things up more than anyone looking back at matches).

yeah, I can't disagree here. there's also the case of the black sheep in the series being released that year. KOS was barely present in XS2, and people didn't like the game for various reasons. the next year you got a more traditional KOS in XS3, and she did a lot better. 2k5 KOS is the only example I can think of where a character actually decreased after a new game.
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therealmnm | Posted 9/4/2007 11:19:31 AM | message detail
Xenosaga's main character is a ball of failure that no video game has ever matched, and that's not even an opinion. it's a damn fact.

My cubemate looked over and wondered why I randomly lol'd... Someone needs to make a "Ball of Failure" ASCII or something.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/4/2007 11:19:50 AM | message detail
Dante didn't decrease from DMC2?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2007 11:20:28 AM | message detail
Ball of Failure and Speck of Dust would make an unbeatable tag-team.
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transience | Posted 9/4/2007 11:21:40 AM | message detail
I called something a ball of failure in real life this weekend -- my girlfriend hit me. :(
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2007 11:25:23 AM | message detail
...also, um... cubemate? I hope that isn't what I think it sounds like... I didn't think we'd reached the point where people had to share cubicles *quite* yet. <____<
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/4/2007 11:26:02 AM | message detail
thats the funniest story ever transter
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transience | Posted 9/4/2007 11:29:15 AM | message detail
just a reminder - 2:30 EST is the time when the "afterschool vote" has typically begun. if anything is going to happen in this match, it should happen soon, and it should happen fast.
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transience | Posted 9/4/2007 11:40:50 AM | message detail
I get the feeling that the "day vote" will actually go MM > KOS > Diablo > Arthas, just like the opening hour did. it's very possible that Diablo will pass Arthas again -- far more likely than Arthas passing KOS.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2007 11:43:26 AM | message detail
Well if you're so sure, then I GUESS WE'LL SEE.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/4/2007 11:45:34 AM | message detail
We are on pace for 129k, hopefully the after school vote will add more to that.

Speaking of after school vote, does anyone think Diablo will catch up to Arthas?
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/4/2007 11:54:22 AM | message detail
It's 500 votes. Not impossible I guess.
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transience | Posted 9/4/2007 12:03:44 PM | message detail
yep, the day vote is Diablo's territory. Arthas finishing fourth seems likely.
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BDawg | Posted 9/4/2007 12:07:27 PM | message detail
Hmm I hope Diablo is setting the tone for villain contest vets, it seems that would be pretty favorable to my bracket. Marcus>Kefka, Jill>Ocelet, Thrall>Vergil....of course the big 3 are not included in my villain condemnation.
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Buzzup | Posted 9/4/2007 12:07:44 PM | message detail
I think Diablo's day vote is being overestimated a bit, he only faced Kefka, who sucks with it, Bison and Ridley, who we can assume suck with it, and Sonic, where he had linkage in the middle of the match. Only his match with Ganondorf is somewhat impressive in that respect, but I don't remember Ganon being a beast with the day vote either.
TimJab | Posted 9/4/2007 12:08:30 PM | message detail
Jill over Ocelot is likely a lock. The others I'm not so sure about.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/4/2007 12:09:16 PM | message detail
All these Marcus > Kefka people just gotta hope Marcus doesn't pull a first year Master Chief.
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transience | Posted 9/4/2007 12:09:22 PM | message detail
Buzzup | Posted 9/4/2007 3:07:44 PM | message detail | #388
I think Diablo's day vote is being overestimated a bit, he only faced Kefka, who sucks with it, Bison and Ridley, who we can assume suck with it, and Sonic, where he had linkage in the middle of the match. Only his match with Ganondorf is somewhat impressive in that respect, but I don't remember Ganon being a beast with the day vote either.


normally, I'd agree. but just look at the results -- Diablo's cut 70 votes off of Arthas's lead in the last 40 minutes. you can say that Arthas has a bad day vote to Diablo's average one if you want, but the fact remains that this is Diablo's best time.

this makes me wonder if this is actually a SFF match after all.
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Lopen | Posted 9/4/2007 12:10:23 PM | message detail
Diablo's going straight at him now. He's cut over 50 votes in half an hour. Diablo may overtake Arthas... he's been gaining even on KOS-MOS with some of these updates.

And I can't say I agree with this topic abandoning Vergil. 21% on Sephiroth essentially guarantees he'll get at least that in the Ganondorf/Thrall/Ratchet (since you've gotta figure Sephiroth could beat that easily in a 3v1 match) four pack. Then you've got the fact that Vergil's picture against Sephiroth was less recognizable and it sucked.

So if Ganondorf gets around 45%, Vergil gets 25%. That leaves 30% up for grabs, and you've gotta figure Ratchet will take more than 5%. Vergil's not a pushover. It's one thing to manage 15% like Arthas is, it's another to manage 25% like Thrall is gonna need to.
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Buzzup | Posted 9/4/2007 12:10:55 PM | message detail
I haven't been following the poll for a while, if that's true, then the Big D has a good chance to win indeed.
Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2007 12:11:05 PM | message detail
You can have "SFF" between entities with completely different voting trends. Look no further than Snake/Sora...
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Buzzup | Posted 9/4/2007 12:11:17 PM | message detail
And with win I mean of course get third place which is still pathetic. <_<
transience | Posted 9/4/2007 12:12:32 PM | message detail
I still don't call that "SFF". I call it a Weird Result. usually, SFF matches hover around the same percentage throughout the match. check Mario/Samus, for example.
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The Real Truth | Posted 9/4/2007 12:14:09 PM | message detail
People that have played DMC3 love Vergil. I love Vergil and yes, I have him winning an upset match with hopes that Ganon takes Luigi's votes.
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RyanBaer | Posted 9/4/2007 12:14:57 PM | message detail
So if Ganondorf gets around 45%, Vergil gets 25%. That leaves 30% up for grabs, and you've gotta figure Ratchet will take more than 5%. Vergil's not a pushover. It's one thing to manage 15% like Arthas is, it's another to manage 25% like Thrall is gonna need to.

Vergil won't get that much. He's a low tier character, and Thrall will obviously get more then 15% since he won't have SFF to bother with
Lopen | Posted 9/4/2007 12:15:55 PM | message detail
I considered that, actually.

Then I realized that depending on Ganondorf to SFF something that much seemed fairly ridiculous. As was depending on anything to rSFF anything that much.
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Lopen | Posted 9/4/2007 12:22:15 PM | message detail
Tell me how you go from getting 21% on Sephiroth to getting less on a combination of weaker characters, with a presumably better picture? 25% is a conservative estimate, I'd say. 21% is Vergil's floor for that match in my book, and I even see 21% as difficult for Thrall to manage.

And no, I don't think there's significant SFF in this match, Diablo and Warcraft have different appeal, and the PC gamer voting base is respectable here. But you people can continue to believe that voters are company drones if you want. Diablo's doing bad because Mega Man's stomping his casual vote. Arthas's fanbase is more resilient to this stomping, but he in no way even gives Diablo a remote scare in a normal match, if you ask me.
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