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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 456
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/3/2007 10:35:15 AM | message detail |
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I remember all the people calling for SFF in Mario/Servbot, Link/AiAi,
SMB3/MG, Link/CATS, Bowser/Pyramid Head, and LoZ/Civilization..... --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Kaidyn04 | Posted 9/3/2007 10:35:53 AM | message detail |
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From: Buzzup Saying Knuckles is being SFF'd by Yoshi makes even less sense than Soma being SFF'd by Snake, by is it that the first match always has these crazy SFF allegations. Yeah two game series that have virtually the same playstyle and are enjoyed by the same kind of people couldn't possibly share a fanbase at all. ~~~ Kaidyn. The Cream of The Hundred Years War Fanboyism. Jeanne D'Arc (PSP) and Bladestorm (PS3) are better than your GotY. |
| jonthomson | Posted 9/3/2007 10:36:55 AM | message detail |
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Sonic 2 was SFFed by Mario World, kids. --- Jon Thomson - 0/0, next picks: Yoshi beats Knuckles Bracket analysis: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=37520975 |
| jonthomson | Posted 9/3/2007 10:37:52 AM | message detail |
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Also, Yoshi's lead is now over nine thousand --- Jon Thomson - 0/0, next picks: Yoshi beats Knuckles Bracket analysis: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=37520975 |
| MMXcalibur | Posted 9/3/2007 10:38:30 AM | message detail |
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*obligatory "it will soon be over NINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUSAAAAAAAAAAAAND"* --- KANSAS CITY CHIEFS (0-0) : AFC Wildcard NEXT: at Houston Texans (0-0) |
| MMXcalibur | Posted 9/3/2007 10:39:37 AM | message detail |
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I think "SFF" gets thrown about WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much.
Sometimes, one character is just more popular than the other....no SFF
involved at all. --- KANSAS CITY CHIEFS (0-0) : AFC Wildcard NEXT: at Houston Texans (0-0) |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/3/2007 10:40:19 AM | message detail |
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I never really bought the Mario/Sonic SFF idea, and this format makes
it complicated to apply anyway. I understand the similarities, but I
don't think SFF occurs, even for this match. I think either the format
is letting Knuckles down, or Knuckles just ain't so strong
anymore...both of which are weird. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| wavedash101 | Posted 9/3/2007 10:45:20 AM | message detail |
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Knuckles hasnt had a notable appearance since Heroes...Yoshi has every
Mario spinoff, and Yoshu's Island 2...I could see SFF between the
series if Yoshi's been far more prominent than Knux --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| MMXcalibur | Posted 9/3/2007 10:46:11 AM | message detail |
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Exactly. The format of this contest is what's going to spell doom for quite a few characters and brackets in this contest....not so much SFF. --- KANSAS CITY CHIEFS (0-0) : AFC Wildcard NEXT: at Houston Texans (0-0) |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 9/3/2007 10:46:17 AM | message detail |
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Knuckles has been hit pretty hard in the match and this topic, but to
his credit, he has managed to turn over 1000 votes already. Even with
the massive votals making it easier, that's still impressive when given
the format. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Legendary Curt | Posted 9/3/2007 10:47:03 AM | message detail |
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There's no SFF in this match except between Rikku and Vaan. --- I'm not driven by fear I'm just driven by anger and you're under attack. The Name. The Legend. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 9/3/2007 10:47:08 AM | message detail |
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There is always SFF in every match. It's just not strong enough to be noticable in the vast majority of matches. Really, there's not much of a reason for MM to be in the SFF group with Link and Yoshi but he is. FF7 and MGS are even less alike and they have an overlap. All sorts of issues can cause SFF, the difference is whether or not the trend is actually trackable. We might be able to figure something out about that next round, we might not. Either way, though, if Knux is being SFF'd to any degree by Yoshi he has pretty much no shot of taking 2nd next round. --- Once I was human. Now I am far more. |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 9/3/2007 10:59:14 AM | message detail |
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SFF is a theory based on observations. Events like Link/Ganondorf are
explained via the SFF theory while other match-ups are merely attempted
to be explained via the SFF theory (which then leads to a debate). Everyone expected Vaan to finish fourth in this four-pack, nobody expected him to get less than 10% of the vote which leads to SFF theory being applied. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| transience | Posted 9/3/2007 11:01:30 AM | message detail |
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hm? most people in this topic expected Vaan to get 10% or less. --- "where the heck does diablo get his votes from on weekends? He should be losing because christians are fresh from the church and voting against evil" -voltch |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/3/2007 11:03:20 AM | message detail |
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i don't care what you say, the fact that Knuckles is struggling with
Rikku, who has Vaan on her back(yeah it's not saying much but still) is
exposing just how weak he really is. He has the chance to suffer the
same amount of SFF that Yoshi will suffer. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 9/3/2007 11:03:25 AM | message detail |
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Some of the estimates I saw had Vaan getting 10%-12% of the vote, but who knows if what I saw were good estimates. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/3/2007 11:05:06 AM | message detail |
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Most people expected less than 10%, but I think some of us are still
shocked at how much of a loser Vaan really is. Least I am. I expected
some semblance of strength. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 9/3/2007 11:06:09 AM | message detail |
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He could actually pull out 10% by the end, but the number isn't really
that important. Everyone expected there to be SFF between Rikku and
Vaan before the match had even started. For there to not be SFF between
the two would be to go in the face of most previous observations. That however has nothing to do with the point that no matter what characters you put into a match there will always be someone who gets torn between two (or more) potential picks because they like both. The question is whether or not this happens in large enough numbers to produce a result outside of otherwise expected trends. --- Once I was human. Now I am far more. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 9/3/2007 11:13:28 AM | message detail |
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If there is any significant SFF between Rikku and Vaan, it's quite
possible that she would do *worse* if Vaan were replaced by a
nonaligned character of similar strength. She'd get more than her share
of Vaan's votes, but she'd lose all of her SFF votes (the percentage
above the norm that prefers Rikku to Vaan) and she'd lose her share of
votes to the nonaligned guy. This actually sounds like a pretty interesting problem...I might try graphing it later. The only problem is that there's two independent variables (% of SFF and % of Vaan's votes Rikku would get), so I'd need to be all 3D about it. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/3/2007 11:14:26 AM | message detail |
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uh oh, is Knuckles falling short already? --- Today: Yoshi > Knuckles - Vote: Knuckles. Tomorrow: Mega Man > KOS-MOS - Vote: Mega Man. |
| Keno316 | Posted 9/3/2007 11:15:12 AM | message detail |
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Probably just anomalies... --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB *Claims KG's Eclair, C.C. & Tear Grants* |
| Buzzup | Posted 9/3/2007 11:15:52 AM | message detail |
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From: Kaidyn04 Yeah two game series that have virtually the same playstyle and are enjoyed by the same kind of people couldn't possibly share a fanbase at all. Because Dante SFFd Ryu in the ground, right. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 9/3/2007 11:16:09 AM | message detail |
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2 five minute updates are not a trend. If these were 15 minute updates
you might not even know that Knux dropped at all based on the next
update. Wait a bit before calling out his doom. --- Once I was human. Now I am far more. |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/3/2007 11:16:29 AM | message detail |
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nah don't worry, he will fix it the next update..... --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. Proud supporter of Knuckles and Magus in Character Battle VI |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 9/3/2007 11:16:42 AM | message detail |
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Knux was overdue for a stumbling, but he's pretty much gone full-steam
ahead for the last few hours that I doubt it'll affect him long-term. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/3/2007 11:17:16 AM | message detail |
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Guess the Square Night vote is now the afternoon vote? --- Feel my truth. |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/3/2007 11:17:34 AM | message detail |
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See, his lead is even higher now.. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. Proud supporter of Knuckles and Magus in Character Battle VI |
| Keno316 | Posted 9/3/2007 11:17:42 AM | message detail |
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Lawl at 100k with 10 hours to go... --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB *Claims KG's Eclair, C.C. & Tear Grants* |
| charmander6000 | Posted 9/3/2007 11:18:01 AM | message detail |
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If there is any significant SFF between Rikku and Vaan, it's quite
possible that she would do *worse* if Vaan were replaced by a
nonaligned character of similar strength. She'd get more than her share
of Vaan's votes, but she'd lose all of her SFF votes (the percentage
above the norm that prefers Rikku to Vaan) and she'd lose her share of
votes to the nonaligned guy. So you're saying we've been looking at this backwards where SFF doesn't weaken both characters, but strengthens the stronger one. --- The Board 8 BOP - http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB6%20BOP.xls Match 1: Yoshi > Knuckles Points: 0/0 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/3/2007 11:18:08 AM | message detail |
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Knuckles seems mad at Rikku. Every time she tries to cut his lead at all he jumps up 40-50 votes. ...Smurf...>_> --- doo doo doo I got no sig |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 9/3/2007 11:18:28 AM | message detail |
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And he spikes his lead up to 750, putting him 20 votes over what he was 15 minutes ago. So, yeah, just to point it out nice and clear because this is going to be a long contest: Two updates set 5 minutes apart do not reveal trends. --- Once I was human. Now I am far more. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 9/3/2007 11:21:46 AM | message detail |
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"So you're saying we've been looking at this backwards where SFF
doesn't weaken both characters, but strengthens the stronger one." There are too many factors in any given match to indicate that. Since there are two other characters here a new entrant from a fourth party would take from everyone. The thing is, since it'd be a 4-way split instead of a 3-way split (theoretically considering the Square vote as one group split between two candidates here) the core Square vote should account for a smaller amount. --- Once I was human. Now I am far more. |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 9/3/2007 11:21:47 AM | message detail |
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I actually think we're going to see 200,000 votes by the time the poll closes. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/3/2007 11:23:43 AM | message detail |
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nah, not this poll. I think more arond 155,000-160,000. --- Today: Yoshi > Knuckles - Vote: Knuckles. Tomorrow: Mega Man > KOS-MOS - Vote: Mega Man. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/3/2007 11:25:09 AM | message detail |
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We're fourteen hours in and there's no after-school vote today, so I
don't see that happening. It'll certainly be high up there though. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| charmander6000 | Posted 9/3/2007 11:26:56 AM | message detail |
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Looking at past polls we're on pace for over 180k. --- The Board 8 BOP - http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB6%20BOP.xls Match 1: Yoshi > Knuckles Points: 0/0 |
| ZFS | Posted 9/3/2007 11:28:07 AM | message detail |
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Heh. Looks like Knuckles is going to get by this one. Good showing from Rikku, though. A shame the day vote didn't boost Yoshi's percentage! --- Experiment status report update: Metroid project 'Dread' is nearing the final stages of completion. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 9/3/2007 11:29:36 AM | message detail |
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It's not a shame, he was clearly tracking too high from the start. --- Once I was human. Now I am far more. |
| hochiminh155 | Posted 9/3/2007 11:30:26 AM | message detail |
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I think two things can be concluded from today's match 1. Nintendo is even stronger 2. Final Fantasy has a hardcore backing and will do well this contest. --- Fc: 4768 3939 5325 |
| Keno316 | Posted 9/3/2007 11:32:34 AM | message detail |
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So...I take it HM is back on Nintendo mode? --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB *Claims KG's Eclair, C.C. & Tear Grants* |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 9/3/2007 11:33:23 AM | message detail |
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I think we cannot even begin to say point one has any merit and that
point two is what we've always known. As has been pointed out, in
multi-character polls from the past Yoshi has done a fantastic job. He
may simply be the type of character that has a solid group of core
voters. Really, can we stop acting like one match has set trends on how the entire contest (or even any other match at all) is going to play out? --- Once I was human. Now I am far more. |
| entropyx | Posted 9/3/2007 11:34:01 AM | message detail |
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I'm not sold that Knuckles has second place locked up just yet... --- Philadelphia Phillies [72 - 64] 8 days until the Eagles kickoff! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/3/2007 11:35:02 AM | message detail |
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I think 'blazer pointed it out earlier, but Knuckles has made quite the
turn-around. I think he's gained ~1,200 votes on Rikku since she led
him by around 500. Given that Yoshi's in the poll, Rikku/Vaan aren't
old news for Square like Magus/Kefka, and Knuckles entering another
generation without a big hit for him...Knuckles has certainly done well
for himself in that regard. Still shouldn't let Rikku get so close to him, but Knuckles can still be commended. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 9/3/2007 11:35:02 AM | message detail |
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I'm not sold that Knuckles has second place locked up just yet... Nothing is for certain in these contest, though Rikku's chances of second place seem to fade every update. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/3/2007 11:35:22 AM | message detail |
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You expect Rikku to get a great second night vote or something? --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/3/2007 11:35:28 AM | message detail |
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Knux pulled in more than Yoshi that update :| --- Feel my truth. |
| ZFS | Posted 9/3/2007 11:36:22 AM | message detail |
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I'm not sold that Knuckles has second place locked up just yet... I'd be shocked if Rikku managed to comeback at this point. --- Experiment status report update: Metroid project 'Dread' is nearing the final stages of completion. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 9/3/2007 11:37:17 AM | message detail |
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"Still shouldn't let Rikku get so close to him" I disagree. What he shouldn't have done is let Yoshi get so far away from him. That's actually what's making him look bad. --- Once I was human. Now I am far more. |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 9/3/2007 11:37:47 AM | message detail |
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Rikku will mount a comeback, but will not cover the gap to take second. That what I believe at this point based on what I've observed. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| hochiminh155 | Posted 9/3/2007 11:42:03 AM | message detail |
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Yoshi is pathetic. He hasn't stopped bleeding percentage since the poll began! --- Fc: 4768 3939 5325 |
