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lettuce Kefka | Posted 9/2/2007 4:39:59 PM | message detail
Why does no one here expect Vaan even to have a little strength. Even if it's just down to being a lead character in a recent FF. Like didn't Tidus start off fairly strong and then get weaker as the years went on? Why can't the same happen to Vaan?
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Yep, fans, friends, and haters too, I am back. The one and only Sage of Board 8 returns with the analysis that no one can afford to miss a daily dose of. The September to Remember begins in a few short hours, and the time has come for the first of many analyses for this here contest. I lost track of how many I gotta write...its like..that many! Now, let us get to it!

Round 1, Division 1, Day 1, Week 1, Month 1

Knuckles vs Rikku vs Vaan vs Yoshi

Sage of Board 8's Predicted Order: Yoshi, Rikku, Knux, Vaan
Newbie's Pick: Knuckles & Yoshi
Hardcore Pick: Rikku & Vaan
Trick Pick: Vaan and Knux

Ceej wastes no time in giving us a fourpack that is not at all an easy call. You got 2 platformers, and 2 Square-ites. You got 1 female, 1 male, and 2 its. You got sidekicks all the way around, you got egg eaters, ring chasers, and Sora lovers. Oops, thats the other Riku! Anyways, you got Sega, you got Nintendo, you got Atari. Wait, no you dont... You got everything but the kitchen sink here in this match. But its easy...if you apply the old standby rule...

Knuckles cant win when it counts.

Yep, every year fanbabies project the Red One to make it past various midcarders and even upper tier opponents. Yet, it never happens. Looking into my crystal ball, I recall a certain Snake who constricted the pathetic echidna and took him out in a Round 2 bout. Yet, every Sega Squadron member from here to Calgary was calling Knux for the upset. HA! Did not happen then, wont happen now.

Here one must look at the here and now. Yoshi...here and now. Mario Kart standby that he is. Rikku: here and now. Everyone loves FFX & FFX2, eh? Pretty much. Knux? Old news...he is just so 1991. And Vaan? Just not cool enough for this fourpack to make a dent, the other 3 are too well liked.

That is just how the Sage sees it. And that is how it is gonna be. But it will be a tight race.

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 9/2/2007 4:43:43 PM | message detail
Yeah it's gonna be just like when Knuckles got rocked by Magus so hard that his ass was redder than the rest of him and stuff.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/2/2007 4:44:44 PM | message detail
To this day, Magus/Knuckles is still my least favorite battle ever :(
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2007 4:46:05 PM | message detail
Round 1- Division 1 Group A

Characters Involved:


Knuckles the Echidna

Summer 2002 Contest
East Division - 7 Seed

Eastern Round 1 --- Defeated (10) Akira Yuki, 49964 [80.56%] - 12057 [19.44%]
Eastern Quarterfinal --- Lost to (2) Solid Snake, 26748 [39.29%] - 41335 [60.71%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 15th Place [27.68%]

Summer 2003 Contest
West Division - 8 Seed

Western Round 1 --- Defeated (9) Yuna, 56363 [55.32%] - 45531 [44.68%]
Western Quarterfinal --- Lost to (1) Solid Snake, 35646 [36.87%] - 61038 [63.13%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 24th Place [25.62%]

Summer 2004 Contest
20XX Division - 10 Seed

20XX Round 1 --- Defeated (7) Kefka, 47578 [57.46%] - 35220 [42.54%]
20XX Quarterfinal --- Lost to (2) Solid Snake, 32946 [40.46%] - 48481 [59.54%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 28th Place [24.94%]

Summer 2005 Contest
Devil Division - 6 Seed

Devil Round 1 --- Defeated (3) Magus, 51909 [50.86%] - 50153 [49.14%]
Devil Semifinal --- Lost to (2) Squall, 45780 [46.20%] - 53310 [53.80%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 18th Place [29.77%]


The epitome of badassery in the Sonic universe, Knuckle's contest history was that of a normal midcarder, that is until 2005 when he pulled one of the biggest upsets that Board 8 never saw coming. Yes, it seems as though Knux had quite the increase between 2004 and 2005 and was one of the biggest snubs of the 2006 bracket due to the female half. He's pretty much a lock to advance to round 2.

Rikku

Summer 2005 Contest
Dream Division - 7 Seed

Dream Round 1 --- Lost to (2) Ryu, 47054 [44.28%] - 59210 [55.72%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 30th Place [24.33%]

Summer 2006 Contest
Spazer Division - 3 Seed

Spazer Round 1 --- Defeated (6) Lenneth Valkyrie, 83124 [75.00%] - 27704 [25.00%]
Spazer Semifinal --- Defeated (2) Kairi, 75494 [58.28%] - 54043 [41.72%]
Spazer Final --- Lost to (1) Samus, 38387 [31.00%] - 85439 [69.00%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 26th Place [31.00%]



Rikku is the stereotypical easily excitable young female for Final Fantasy 10. At first glance her history may not seem too impressive, but she proved herself a capable midcarder despite being stuck in Samus' division in the female bracket. Sadly for her, she's a little outclassed in her group, despite there being entire groups full of characters much much weaker than she. Consensus is that she'll pull of third place this match.

Vaan

Vaan is the contest's first newcomer, making it in fresh off of Final Fantasy 12 which came out in the middle of last year's battle. He's basically Tidus v 2.0 but a lot less important to his game's story. Yes, the main character of his game yet he is a very unimportant cast member in the long run. I don't expect him to do much here, especially with Rikku to compete with.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2007 4:49:52 PM | message detail
Yoshi

Summer 2003 Contest
East Division - 4 Seed

Eastern Round 1 --- Defeated (13) Conker, 61421 [66.46%] - 30997 [33.54%]
Eastern Quarterfinal --- Lost to (5) Bowser, 43021 [43.66%] - 55510 [56.34%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 23rd Place [26.17%]

Summer 2004 Contest
Hyrule Division - 5 Seed

Hyrule Round 1 --- Defeated (12) Ryo Hazuki, 60057 [76.40%] - 18551 [23.60%]
Hyrule Quarterfinal --- Defeated (4) Luigi, 41151 [54.48%] - 34382 [45.52%]
Hyrule Semifinal --- Lost to (1) Link, 17082 [18.26%] - 76476 [81.74%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 26th Place [25.22%]

Summer 2005 Contest
20XX Division - 3 Seed

20XX Round 1 --- Defeated (6) Laharl, 72563 [73.66%] - 25949 [26.34%]
20XX Semifinal --- Defeated (7) Pac Man, 61377 [72.83%] - 22893 [27.17%]
20XX Final --- Lost to (1) Mega Man, 29719 [31.92%] - 63395 [68.08%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 27th Place [26.59%]

Summer 2006 Contest
Patriot Division - 6 Seed

Patriot Round 1 --- Defeated (3) Riku, 69394 [55.20%] - 56325 [44.80%]
Patriot Semifinal --- Defeated (2) Dante, 65497 [50.55%] - 64072 [49.45%]
Patriot Final --- Lost to (1) Solid Snake, 51781 [42.84%] - 69085 [57.16%]
Extrapolated Strength --- 9th Place [40.18%]


Over the years, Yoshi has proven himself to be a capable competitor, at least when not facing stronger NIntendo characters. His win over Dante last year proved how strong a force he can be when not stuck behind SFF, and seeing as how he's the only Nintendo character in this group, he's all but guarenteed first spot.

Predictions:

What we have to look at here, is how you think Yoshi or Knuckles would do against a weaker Square character like Rikku 1 on 1.

Running last year's stats gives it to Yoshi with 61%, but the stats don't take into consideration the seemingly obvious Snake-Samus SFF. So we want to juice that value up a bit to say, 65%. Now of course, we have both Yoshi AND Knuckles in this poll, so we'll say between the two of them they should get about 70% considering their easy recognizability and the comparitive weakness of their opponents. Of that 70%, Yoshi will likely get the larger chunk. I'll say about 37%, leaving Knuckles with 33%. This leaves Rikku and Vaan to share the remaining 30%, and it should be a pretty even split.

TuRtLe's Prediction: Yoshi 37%, Knuckles 33%, Rikku 15% and Vaan 15%
TuRtLe's Bracket: Yoshi > Knuckles
TuRtLe's Pick: Yoshi > Knuckles


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Xuxon | Posted 9/2/2007 4:52:43 PM | message detail
The thing is, Tidus and Zidane were actually the main characters. Vaan and Penelo could be removed from FFXII and it would hardly make a difference.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/2/2007 4:56:44 PM | message detail
obvious Snake-Samus SFF.

what.
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lettuce Kefka | Posted 9/2/2007 4:57:15 PM | message detail
What about Vincent? You don't even have to have him in his game and he's still probably the third most popular character in his game. Vaan represents FFXII and that's what he'll probably get most of his votes for, not for his character.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2007 4:58:31 PM | message detail
what.

I think I like the fact that he's making the argument that Yoshi is underrated using that. Y'know, 'cause Snake/Yoshi was totally legit and Yoshi is knocking on Mega's door.
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Xuxon | Posted 9/2/2007 5:01:19 PM | message detail
Vincent? What does that have to do with anything? Vincent is actually likable. People were arguing that Vaan will get votes despite being unlikable just because he is the main character, like Tidus and Zidane. And I'm arguing that he's not even a main character like them. Honestly I could see Vaan getting under 10%.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/2/2007 5:02:09 PM | message detail
Knuckles cant win when it counts.

You mean in the first round? 'Cuz Knuckles has quite a rep for first round victories, and guess which round this is in...and it doesn't have Solid OR Squall.
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lettuce Kefka | Posted 9/2/2007 5:02:31 PM | message detail
Ummm. The point was clear. Being able to remove a character and it not make a difference doesn't matter.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2007 5:02:34 PM | message detail
Samus/Snake was much worse than Snake/Yoshi in that regard.

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swirIdude | Posted 9/2/2007 5:04:04 PM | message detail
Uh...steve?

That's Donkey Kong's rule, not Knuckles.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2007 5:07:32 PM | message detail
I just had a worrying thought.

What if SB uses a MMZ picture for Zero's big match vs Crono/Vincent/Link?

Would that hurt or help him?

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/2/2007 5:08:25 PM | message detail
Samus/Snake had more of an anomaly than Snake/Yoshi? Hmm...gotta disagree. On top of Samus/Yoshi potentially stealing SSB/M/B support from Solid, he also had his sprite against Yoshi (although his face was still in the background) alongside my thinking that sprite-Yoshi is arguably his best picture to use. The picture probably wouldn't make much of a difference by itself, but combine it with the theory behind Samus/Solid...Yoshi/Solid practically has to be a bigger anomaly.
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swirIdude | Posted 9/2/2007 5:08:37 PM | message detail
Doubt it does anything.
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Xuxon | Posted 9/2/2007 5:14:46 PM | message detail
Do you think Vincent would be the same strength if you got him in Midgar and was an integral part of the plot the whole way through? Because I sure as hell don't.
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swirIdude | Posted 9/2/2007 5:15:49 PM | message detail
No, if Vincent were a required character, I'd think he be stronger. But not too much stronger, as all of the FF7 fanbase undoubtedly looked at an FAQ to find him anyway.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 9/2/2007 5:16:34 PM | message detail
Do you think Vincent would be the same strength if you got him in Midgar and was an integral part of the plot the whole way through? Because I sure as hell don't.

I believe so, every FF7 fan would have known about him regardless if he was an optional party member or not.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/2/2007 5:20:13 PM | message detail
Do you think Tifa would be as popular as she is if she had minimal importance plot-wise and was a secret character you can find sometime after Midgar?

Not that I think Vincent would be much stronger, but the question still stands.
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BDawg | Posted 9/2/2007 5:21:14 PM | message detail
You know looking at the history...ok I understand the Mario/Crono rematches, but why the heck was Knuckles aimed at Snake for three straight years?
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Xuxon | Posted 9/2/2007 5:22:18 PM | message detail
I'm not saying anything with regards to his being optional. I don't think him being required but otherwise the same role and getting him at the same time would change much. Just being tied into the plot more; more lines, more actions that show off his character. Tidus and Zidane have these things. Vaan doesn't as much.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2007 5:25:42 PM | message detail
I doubt Snake/Knux was a concious decision on CJay's part. Just a hilarious coinikidink

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SonicRaptor | Posted 9/2/2007 5:27:14 PM | message detail
Yeah, I mean, the Knux/Snake matches got little-or-no-attention until the third match-up so it certainly wasn't intentional on CJayC's part.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/2/2007 5:27:26 PM | message detail
Match I: Knuckles vs. Rikku vs. Vaan vs. Yoshi

Information

Name: Knuckles the Echidna
Game/Series From: Sonic the Hedgehog series
Past Contests: CB2k2, CB2k3, CB2k4, CB2k5
Wins: Akira (2k2), Yuna (2k3), Kefka (2k4), Magus (2k5)
Losses: Solid Snake x3 (2k2, 2k3, 2k4), Squall (2k5)

Name: Rikku
Game/Series From: Final Fantasy X/X-2
Past Contests: CB2k5, CB2k6
Wins: Lenneth (2k6), Kairi (2k6)
Losses: Ryu (2k5), Samus (2k6)

Name: Vaan
Game/Series From: Final Fantasy XII
Past Contests: None
Wins: N/A
Losses: N/A

Name: Yoshi
Game/Series From: Mario series
Past Contests: CB2k3, CB2k4, CB2k5, CB2k6
Wins: Conker (2k3), Ryo (2k4), Luigi (2k4), Laharl (2k5), Pac-Man (2k5), Riku (2k6), Dante (2k6)
Losses: Bowser (2k3), Link (2k4), Mega Man (2k5), Solid Snake (2k6)

Analysis:

Welcome to the first match of Character Battle 2007. As you may know the twist for this year is a 128 character bracket, with four characters in each match and the top two get to go to the next round. This has increased the difficulty of predicting the bracket and making past results more unreliable than they already are.

Yoshi vs Knuckles was a match I wanted to see since 2003 and now we get it, with Rikku and Vaan on the side. Rikku or Vaan may have had a slim chance at upsetting Yoshi or Knuckles if they were by themselves, but with both in the same match they have successfully eliminated each other. With four characters in each match SFF is going to be the major factor in this contest.

Speaking of SFF how will SFF affect both Rikku and Vaan? Will they split the votes evenly or will one of them steal the votes from the other? Looking at last year’s battle royal we saw both Link and Cloud stealing votes from the other Nintendo and Square characters in the poll. Also the SFF was more severe, while Cloud was only able to get 56% on his best year against Sephiroth; here he was getting around 65% on him.

Another thing to wonder about is the strength of Vaan. While it may not matter since it looks like Rikku will SFF him, but I think it should be discussed. Vaan’s strength has been predicted from anywhere from Tidus’ strength because it was the Final Fantasy after a non-popular Final Fantasy to Zidane’s strength because FFXII was released near the end of the PS2. I probably would rank Vaan a few percent higher than Zidane, but he’s defiantly close to Zidane than Tidus.

With Rikku and Vaan out this leaves Yoshi and Knuckles, who most people on this board see coming in the top two, but who comes out on top? Both characters have shown to be able to take on tough opponents in the past with Yoshi and Knuckles beating Dante and Magus respectively in their last contest appearances. They are also both fan favorites in their series with both of them coming on top in polls taken on GameFAQs (though those polls were taken a long time ago). Another thing to note is that both characters have gone against the same opponent, Solid Snake, but Knuckles faced him on his weakest year while Yoshi got him during the sprite round.

With that in mind I think Yoshi will take this in a close match. Yoshi did beat Dante and Knuckles being in the same division as Dante in 2k5 would have been expected to just barely lose. However with this being a four person match anything can happen and I’m sure I’ll be using the results of today’s match to help justify my reasoning for future matches.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Yoshi > Knuckles

charmander6000’s Prediction: Yoshi - 31.24%, Knuckles - 30.49%, Rikku - 23.93%, Vaan - 14.34%

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cyko | Posted 9/2/2007 5:29:59 PM | message detail
Why does no one here expect Vaan even to have a little strength. Even if it's just down to being a lead character in a recent FF. Like didn't Tidus start off fairly strong and then get weaker as the years went on? Why can't the same happen to Vaan?

even though he's technically the main character, Vaan really isn't very central to FFXII's story. you could remove him from the story completely and it would change very little. plus, he just wasn't very likable or cool looking at all. it's true that Tidus whined as much as Vaan, but at least he had a much larger role in the story.

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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/2/2007 5:31:14 PM | message detail
Year Kingdom Hearts was released in NA: 2002
Year Cloud beat Link: 2003
Year Kingdom Hearts 2 was released in NA: 2006
Year Cloud beat Link: 2007?
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cyko | Posted 9/2/2007 5:32:57 PM | message detail

Year Kingdom Hearts 2 was released in NA: 2006
Year Cloud beat Link: 2007?


*ahem*

Year Zelda:Twilight Princess was released in NA: 2006
Year Link beat Cloud badly: 2007

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LegendaryGeno | Posted 9/2/2007 5:33:02 PM | message detail
as if that's a reason to take Cloud over Link.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 9/2/2007 5:36:01 PM | message detail
As well, when Vaan was announced as FF12's main protagonist I still remember the million jokes about him.
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/2/2007 5:39:58 PM | message detail

*ahem*

Year Zelda:Twilight Princess was released in NA: 2006
Year Link beat Cloud badly: 2007?


Year Zelda: Wind Waker was released in NA: 2003
Year Cloud beat Link: 2003
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SonicRaptor | Posted 9/2/2007 5:44:10 PM | message detail
There was the Kingdom Hearts Factor in 2003.

Basically it goes like this: KH got released with FF characters and reignited mass support for them, Cloud got a boost along with every single FF character in that contest.

It's up for debate, but Cloud was cleaning house in 2003.

It's debatable as well about the Wind Waker factor and if the cartoon look of Link hurt his chances. Twilight Princess won't have that effect, anyways.
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JustForFun1988 | Posted 9/2/2007 5:48:35 PM | message detail
Seriously, didn't Link already beat Cloud(with kh2 boost) with 54% score last year. This year Link got the post TP boost and i think Link will whoop Cloud xxx even harder.
swirIdude | Posted 9/2/2007 5:51:01 PM | message detail
According to the bracket, Link and Cloud will not face and will be co-champions <_<
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DarkAura33 | Posted 9/2/2007 5:52:22 PM | message detail
^ Yes but it's a matter of who gets #1 and #2.
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JustForFun1988 | Posted 9/2/2007 5:52:44 PM | message detail
According to the bracket, Link and Cloud will not face and will be co-champions <_<

XD, we are obviously talking about the first and second place for the final.
ZFS | Posted 9/2/2007 6:14:13 PM | message detail
Samus/Snake was much worse than Snake/Yoshi in that regard.

Still don't know why folks believe there was anything wonky in Samus/Snake. She's stronger than him no matter which way you wanna slice it. And considering the match was 53/47, there's not a whole lot of room for "SFF." But whatever!

According to the bracket, Link and Cloud will not face and will be co-champions

Heh. There's still a winner in the finals.

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JustForFun1988 | Posted 9/2/2007 6:19:31 PM | message detail
Still don't know why folks believe there was anything wonky in Samus/Snake. She's stronger than him no matter which way you wanna slice it. And considering the match was 53/47, there's not a whole lot of room for "SFF." But whatever!

Female divison looks much stronger than the male divison. Unless you suddenly believe that Yuna is stonger than Ganondorf, Zelda stronger than Sonic and Megaman, Rikku as strong as Leon, Chun Li as strong as Sub Zero and etc.
MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/2/2007 6:20:25 PM | message detail
Female divison looks much stronger than the male divison. Unless you suddenly believe that Yuna is stonger than Ganondorf, Zelda stronger than Sonic and Megaman, Rikku as strong as Leon, Chun Li as strong as Sub Zero and etc.

that isn't due to Samus/Snake.

that is due to Tifa/Zelda.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/2/2007 6:22:10 PM | message detail
oh, but the Rikku thing is interesting..
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/2/2007 6:23:01 PM | message detail
oh wait, nevermind. Rikku is as strong as Leon because of the random Snake projection.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2007 6:23:03 PM | message detail
If you look at the numbers, Dante fits in relation to the rest of the male bracket alot better than the female bracket fits with the male bracket.

Clearly Samus/Snake was alot more anomalous than Snake/Yoshi

lol apparant censor bypass

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/2/2007 6:24:06 PM | message detail
If you look at the numbers, Dante fits in relation to the rest of the male bracket alot better than the female bracket fits with the male bracket.

don't think this says much considering Tifa/Zelda.
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ZFS | Posted 9/2/2007 6:24:19 PM | message detail
Female divison looks much stronger than the male divison. Unless you suddenly believe that Yuna is stonger than Ganondorf, Zelda stronger than Sonic and Megaman, Rikku as strong as Leon, Chun Li as strong as Sub Zero and etc.

That has nothing to do with Samus/Snake. You can't simply boost Snake higher than he should be in order to compensate for the female side. You can blame Tifa, and to a lesser extent Zelda, for how overrated many of the female characters are. Sure, Samus is a bit problematic there, but I'd sooner place blame on the female side being weird. It's not too far removed from the Sephiroth/Ganon/Bowser mess.

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transience | Posted 9/2/2007 6:59:30 PM | message detail
aww yeah two hours to go

I'm done arguing, just gonna sit back and watch now
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 9/2/2007 7:01:00 PM | message detail
amen tranny, that and call BT names cause i can.

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mmm feel the vibration baby
transience | Posted 9/2/2007 7:02:19 PM | message detail
all I see are a ton of hidden posts, which make all the responses so much better

*blank post* *blank post* *blank post* ARE YOU FREAKING STUPID? *blank post*
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"where the heck does diablo get his votes from on weekends? He should be losing because christians are fresh from the church and voting against evil" -voltch
Master Moltar | Posted 9/2/2007 7:04:11 PM | message detail
augh lopen, hurry so i can post the write-ups
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Moltar Status: The Analysis Crew...believe
Knuckles/Rikku/Vaan/Yoshi - Bracket: Yoshi > Knuckles - Vote: Yoshi (0/0)
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