GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 454
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/31/2007 3:34:14 PM | message detail |
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hay guys wats going on dis topix. Also, without having read any posts at all, the Noble Nine will still love on in full this contest. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| charmander6000 | Posted 8/31/2007 3:56:28 PM | message detail |
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I had Serge > Pikachu at first, but I decided to go with Pikachu in
the end. Pikachu may be the safe choice, but I won't be surprised if
Serge beats Pikachu easily. --- The Board 8 BOP - http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB6%20BOP.xls Topic - http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=37528396 |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/31/2007 3:59:42 PM | message detail |
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yeah... I originally had Serge coming in 2nd there too, but over time I
sided with the rat. Wouldn't be surprised to see him win at all, but I
think I like my chances better this way. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| Buzzup | Posted 8/31/2007 4:02:50 PM | message detail |
| I'm a pathetic man and my hate prevents me from picking Pikachu, probably won't work out, but I'll laugh if it does. ^.^ |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/31/2007 4:15:43 PM | message detail |
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I don't see the Serge > Pikachu love. I mean, maybe if this was 2k2
and games like Chrono Cross, Xenogears, and Parasite Eve were still
close to being on the gaming forefront... But I really don't see Serge
amounting to anything right now. I don't really see any Chrono Cross
characters having any type of staying power as far as popularity goes.
Even when Chrono Cross was at its peak, it's not like Serge was at the
center of its popularity. With its 40 or so characters, nobody really
got the chance to stand out in that game. Quite the opposite compared
to Chrono Trigger, where you got to know and love the entire cast. I mean, I'm not saying that Pikachu is a pillar of strength either, but there isn't a much more popular character to take away any of the Nintendo default votes that he will get. Plus Tidus being there isn't really doing Serge any favors. Chrono Cross, FFIX, and FFX did pretty much serve as the bridge between the PS1 and PS2 for Squareheads. --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
| Lopen | Posted 8/31/2007 4:22:37 PM | message detail |
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Well damn now I almost feel like I should take Serge. He's got a very real chance... I have no idea why more people aren't taking him. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| Ayvuir | Posted 8/31/2007 4:26:15 PM | message detail |
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I have a question about Luigi if people don't mind answering. I have him going quite a long way (To the lower section of the tounrnament, along with Ganondorf), yet people seem to be writing off Luigi against people like Master Chief and Yuna...why?! Master Chief has done poorly recently, and even with Halo 3 i don't think it will be much of a boost. Luigi i see as quite a popular character, yet not many agree, so what am i not seeing?! --- I don't like Haley Scarnato |
| ToadYoshi | Posted 8/31/2007 4:28:12 PM | message detail |
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The Pokemon series got 47% on Metroid. Everyone used the same logic to
pick Star Ocean over Pokemon and look where that got them. Pikachu has
improved since his last contest appearance. --- I did it for the lulz! |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/31/2007 4:29:14 PM | message detail |
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My logic here is that Pokemon fans hate Pikachu. What does that have to do with Star Ocean vs. Pokemon? --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| JustForFun1988 | Posted 8/31/2007 4:32:05 PM | message detail |
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I have him going quite a long way (To the lower section of the
tounrnament, along with Ganondorf), yet people seem to be writing off
Luigi against people like Master Chief and Yuna...why?! Master Chief
has done poorly recently, and even with Halo 3 i don't think it will be
much of a boost. Luigi has to split Nintendo votes with Ganondorf. Seriously you can't expect two nintendo character to walk out of the that round easily when your 2 opponent are decent midcarder. |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/31/2007 4:32:32 PM | message detail |
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Well, they're writing him off against Ganondorf, actually. If Pikachu loses to somebody other than Tidus, it would probably be to Isaac. I bet the results are gonna be Tidus > Pikachu > Isaac > Serge. --- SC2K7 Betting Contest: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=37858904 Please participate and stuff. :x |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/31/2007 4:32:32 PM | message detail |
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I don't necessarily think Pikachu is weak from hate moreso that people simply like a lot of characters more than him. That is, I don't think people will vote for just anyone over him. I don't see anybody in this fourpack that serves as a better option than him for the average Nintendo fan... --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
| swirIdude | Posted 8/31/2007 4:33:59 PM | message detail |
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What, the average Nintendo fan would pick a rat that they hate over a guy with a sword? Unless people actually like that mouse. --- Pokemon FC: 0129 8285 9148 Jump Ultimate Stars FC: 1504 2045 7334 |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/31/2007 4:34:11 PM | message detail |
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Luigi has to split Nintendo votes with Ganondorf. Seriously you
can't expect two nintendo character to walk out of the that round
easily when your 2 opponent are decent midcarder. I still don't see why it's not possible for 2 popular Nintendo characters to be able to win the poll. --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/31/2007 4:34:44 PM | message detail |
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The average Nintendo fan is also the average Square fan, and in which
case he's got two characters to choose from! It just so happens that
Tidus and Serge aren't the most appealing options either. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 8/31/2007 4:40:18 PM | message detail |
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Does Serge have any chance at all to get out of round 1? In all likelihood, no. He probably isn't going to end up being that strong as it is, and then he has the problem of Tidus in the pack, potentially siphoning away some of the Square love he might get otherwise. Pikachu's really not going to be strong at all, but he's probably got enough in him to squeak by Serge here. That said, I'm picking Serge just because I'm not losing points by choosing Pikachu in the off chance he doesn't advance! |
| JustForFun1988 | Posted 8/31/2007 4:41:02 PM | message detail |
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I still don't see why it's not possible for 2 popular Nintendo characters to be able to win the poll. Read my post again, they are facing against decent midcarder. Yuna is rougly on par with Luigi strength and with Ganondorf leeching off Luigi strenght, i doubt Luigi can do much in that poll. If Ganondorf and Luigi are facing fodder, they will have no problems making out of that round but that isn't the case here. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/31/2007 4:44:29 PM | message detail |
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I personally wouldn't expect Luigi ti beat Yuna with anymore than 55%, and Master Chief would probably get more or less. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2007 4:51:02 PM | message detail |
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The Pokemon series got 47% on Metroid. Means nothing without the concrete strength of Metroid to back it up. For every opinion that the match showed Pokemon being strong, there's another for Metroid being weak. Everyone used the same logic to pick Star Ocean over Pokemon and look where that got them. HEROIC MARIO DOES NOT CONSTITUTE "EVERYONE" (no offense HM) --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| ZFS | Posted 8/31/2007 4:54:15 PM | message detail |
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I blame EC. --- Experiment status report update: Metroid project 'Dread' is nearing the final stages of completion. |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/31/2007 4:57:39 PM | message detail |
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The average Nintendo fan is also the average Square fan, and in which case he's got two characters to choose from! It just so happens that Tidus and Serge aren't the most appealing options either. DING DING DING --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/31/2007 4:58:56 PM | message detail |
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Tidus will still be quite appealing compared to the others, though. --- SC2K7 Betting Contest: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=37858904 Please participate and stuff. :x |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/31/2007 5:04:22 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, but not overly appealing enough to completely dominate the vote.
Hey, I'm LOOKING for a reason not to take Pikachu to take second, but I
just don't see it. --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/31/2007 5:48:07 PM | message detail |
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Squeak by Serge???? Come ON Board 8, you can't be THIS blinded by love for a crappy-ass game. 1 on 1 I take Pikachu to at least 55-45 Serge. Serge will be epic fodder, BOOK IT. I hadn't thought much about a Mega Man>Samus upset, but it does seem possible. Has Mega Man had any releases lately of note? If not Samus' more recent hype should make her safe. Well, Mega Man did have the sequel to the Battle Network series launch, and IIRC has a new cartoon that just came out promoting it. Probably won't make much difference, but what I'm betting on isn't Mega Man being stronger, but Samus being weaker as a result of Bowser being in the poll. Look at Samus/Ganondorf 2k5 to get an idea of where I'm coming from here. TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" -trancer1 BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| ZFS | Posted 8/31/2007 5:53:27 PM | message detail |
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Serge is going to be weak, but Pikachu is going to be right there with him. No one likes
Pikachu, and the only possibility of him advancing lies in the fact
that his competition is just as bad as he is as opposed to any sort of
"strength" he could call his own. Probably won't make much difference, but what I'm betting on isn't Mega Man being stronger, but Samus being weaker as a result of Bowser being in the poll. Look at Samus/Ganondorf 2k5 to get an idea of where I'm coming from here. It's not as though someone like Mega Man would escape from that without taking a bit of hit, too. It's not like he's so far removed from the Nintendo fanbase, that Nintendo characters being the poll can't sap some of his strength as well. It won't be as significant as two Nintendo characters, but anything that Bowser may be able to siphon away from Samus (I sincerely doubt it's a whole lot to begin with) should be made up with Corruption. Those extra votes she get might not be as apparent, and just serve to "cancel out" the possibility that Bowser steals some. --- Experiment status report update: Metroid project 'Dread' is nearing the final stages of completion. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/31/2007 6:16:54 PM | message detail |
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Do you really think Corruption will be relevant enoughj a month and a
half from now to be able to to stop that from happening though? Once again, look at Samus/Ganondorf TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" -trancer1 BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| ZFS | Posted 8/31/2007 6:32:52 PM | message detail |
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A game does not diminish in relevance a mere month after it's released,
particularly when there's nothing to steal its prominence. Samus is
surely going to get a boost, a permanent one from Corruption. What I'm
saying is all that extra strength she'd have could counteract the fact
that Bowser is in the poll, hurting her overall but not bringing her
down to levels that make her suspectible to being upset by Mega Man. And again, Mega Man stands to be hurt by there being two other Nintendo characters in the poll, too. Sure, he may not technically be a Nintendo character, but he's "in" with that fanbase more than any other. He's not going to be at optimal strength here. And I'm not sure what you're pointing out about Samus/Ganon. She beat him with nearly 60% of the vote. She didn't perform poorly there. --- Experiment status report update: Metroid project 'Dread' is nearing the final stages of completion. |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/31/2007 6:37:29 PM | message detail |
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Corruption is very relevant...especially since the Wii has a lot of
owners that never had a GC, thus this would be their first Prime game --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/31/2007 6:39:23 PM | message detail |
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Experiment status report update: Metroid project 'Dread' is nearing the final stages of completion. BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism can you two stop fighting fanboy wars --- http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/258/cloudvsjillvsocloectvsmfw4.jpg now playing: PW3, Jeanne d'Arc |
| ZFS | Posted 8/31/2007 6:40:58 PM | message detail |
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But, uh, I realize it's not as cut and dry as that. It's just the whole
idea is that she'll be at her strongest this year, so anything that she
loses wouldn't bring her down as far as it might have a year ago. Not
that I'm expecting Bowser to all of a sudden rip hard into Samus'
votes, and that's basically what would need to happen for Samus to end
up losing that one. Give me the one that is both naturally stronger and fresh in the voters' minds with a game on one of their most liked systems. Plus, there's a distinct possibility that Bowser might not even be there. --- Experiment status report update: Metroid project 'Dread' is nearing the final stages of completion. |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 8/31/2007 6:51:04 PM | message detail |
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As well, keep in mind that Corruption comes during a pretty strong
drought on the Wii. Everyone already beat Zelda, Super Paper Mario was
kinda fun while others were fun diversions. Corruption was the first,
solid, complete entry in a major Nintendo franchise since Twilight
Princess hence many people will check it out. I think it's a factor. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| ToadYoshi | Posted 8/31/2007 6:53:13 PM | message detail |
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BlackTurtle speaks truth. --- I did it for the lulz! |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/31/2007 7:00:40 PM | message detail |
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I have him going quite a long way (To the lower section of the tounrnament, along with Ganondorf), yet people seem to be writing off Luigi against people like Master Chief and Yuna...why?! Master Chief has done poorly recently, and even with Halo 3 i don't think it will be much of a boost. Luigi i see as quite a popular character, yet not many agree, so what am i not seeing?! Probably that MC isn't that far behind Luigi. MC is at 30% on BL, Luigi is at 33%... you really don't think him being in their with Ganon is going to hurt him enough to make MC the favorite... really? It just makes sense that Luigi isn't going to be coming out of that poll alive, unless you think he's capable of rSFFing Ganon, but he's not. If you don't want to take MC to advance that's one thing (crazy!) but I really don't understand why anyone thinks Ganon and Luigi are walking out of their alive. Yuna and MC are no jokes. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/31/2007 7:02:00 PM | message detail |
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BlackTurtle speaks truth. Kodak moment? --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/31/2007 7:02:39 PM | message detail |
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...and BT stop being a jackass for one second please. You're saying MP3
isn't going to help Samus because it's going to be a month and a half
from now, but then you go on to talk about why MM should be stronger
thanks to another terrible addition to the series that nearly no one is
going to play except die hard MM fans already, and a cartoon. Yeah, you're not trying way too hard to make an upset there. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/31/2007 7:06:50 PM | message detail |
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MMZXA bombed crazy hard in Japan...was too easy or something --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/31/2007 7:22:45 PM | message detail |
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...anyone figure out what the picture links are gonna be yet, or no? --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/31/2007 7:24:10 PM | message detail |
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I looked earlier, but no luck. I'm actually wondering if we'll have any. that's both a Ceej thing and more difficult to do with four characters per small picture --- http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/258/cloudvsjillvsocloectvsmfw4.jpg now playing: PW3, Jeanne d'Arc |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/31/2007 7:30:29 PM | message detail |
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Probably that MC isn't that far behind Luigi. MC is at 30% on BL,
Luigi is at 33%... you really don't think him being in their with Ganon
is going to hurt him enough to make MC the favorite... really? It just
makes sense that Luigi isn't going to be coming out of that poll alive,
unless you think he's capable of rSFFing Ganon, but he's not. If you
don't want to take MC to advance that's one thing (crazy!) but I really
don't understand why anyone thinks Ganon and Luigi are walking out of
their alive. Yuna and MC are no jokes. They aren't, but Ganondorf and, yes, Luigi, are significantly stronger than both of them. And if you don't think that there would be SFF in a head to head match between Ganondorf and Luigi - and I don't, Ganondorf couldn't SFF his way out of a paper bag - then there's no reason to expect that to change in a four way. There's not some magical upper limit that two Nintendo characters cannot exceed, even in the presence of nontrivial characters. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/31/2007 7:32:41 PM | message detail |
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maybe the pictures will be larger! --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| ZFS | Posted 8/31/2007 7:34:19 PM | message detail |
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I'd imagine the pictures would be sort of like what we saw in the Battle Royale. --- Experiment status report update: Metroid project 'Dread' is nearing the final stages of completion. |
| LordOfDabu | Posted 8/31/2007 7:45:52 PM | message detail |
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I was initially worried about no pictures also, but that faded once I saw a banner was put on the front page. About Serge, let's not forget he got the nominations for 2k4 and only the company cap kept him out! --- Hello world |
| swirIdude | Posted 8/31/2007 7:46:37 PM | message detail |
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And then proceeded to keep being left out when the company cap was (apparently) lifted. --- Pokemon FC: 0129 8285 9148 Jump Ultimate Stars FC: 1504 2045 7334 |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/31/2007 7:57:02 PM | message detail |
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And if you don't think that there would be SFF in a head to head
match between Ganondorf and Luigi - and I don't, Ganondorf couldn't SFF
his way out of a paper bag - then there's no reason to expect that to
change in a four way. There's not some magical upper limit that two
Nintendo characters cannot exceed, even in the presence of nontrivial
characters. I don't think that's the right way to think at all. I think "SFF" we've seen in 1-on-1 matches doesn't have so much to with HOW MUCH overlap there is between characters as how much the overlapped fanbase PREFERS one character (on top of the natural strength difference). That's like saying Samus shares no fanbase with Ganondorf, or that Zero shares no fanbase with Mega Man, because they performed as you might expect before any SFF. Meanwhile, Mega Man SFFs Yoshi... you couldn't say Yoshi shares more of a fanbase with Mega Man than Zero shares. In four-way, the amount of overlap between two characters is now going to matter, and is entirely different from Luigi vs. Ganondorf 1-on-1. Ganondorf may not skew the percentages against Luigi, but there's little doubt in my mind that they will split Nintendo votes... definitely not like, say, Cloud and Sephiroth, but I think it'll be pretty strong. I'd love to see Luigi pull through Round 3, though... I wouldn't say it's out of the question. --- SC2K7 Betting Contest: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=37858904 Please participate and stuff. :x |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/31/2007 8:08:15 PM | message detail |
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In four-way, the amount of overlap between two characters is now
going to matter, and is entirely different from Luigi vs. Ganondorf
1-on-1. Ganondorf may not skew the percentages against Luigi, but
there's little doubt in my mind that they will split Nintendo votes...
definitely not like, say, Cloud and Sephiroth, but I think it'll be
pretty strong. I'd love to see Luigi pull through Round 3, though... I
wouldn't say it's out of the question. This is true, but the potential "Nintendo vote" is a *huge* percentage of the site. People who like Halo, chances are, also like Nintendo (same goes for FFX/Yuna), so that effect is diminished, and the match plays out closer to expectations. If you have a small, head-to-head SFF-free, fanbase with two characters in the same match - say, Phoenix and Edgeworth together - then what you're talking about would make a big difference - both would do noticeably worse than expected. But when the constraint is "Nintendo voters" will be split I don't think it matters nearly as much. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/31/2007 8:20:00 PM | message detail |
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Of course it's not going to matter as much as in that situation... no
one is saying it's going to be that extreme, but when Luigi is 3%
higher than the other competition in the stats, there doesn't need to
be anywhere near that size of a split to give them the victory over
him. Luigi is only projected to beat MC with 55% of the vote, that's
really not a large margin to overcome when you throw Ganon in their to
suck away some of his votes. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/31/2007 8:27:03 PM | message detail |
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As a for-instance, cn's math says Mario performed to expectations
despite the fact that Link (and, earlier, Samus) was around. Samus
didn't, and neither did Sephiroth. We expect Mario to stand up and
Samus to fold in classical SFF situations and she folded here, I'd say
for the same reason. Sephiroth is harder to explain, but I think it's a
combination of classical SFF (going in favour of Cloud) and the "FFVII"
voter being split. I'm hesitant to draw that second conclusion, but I
think the black hole of votes (as cn elegantly put it) had something to
do with it - shrinking the FFVII fanbase because even a lot of those
guys prefer Link. With less to go on and the remainder favouring Cloud
over Sephiroth, you get the result seen. But that was contingent on a
very strong fanbase, that of Link, to shrink the FFVII fanbase down...I
don't think MC has power to that degree. This does not, admittedly, explain Snake apparently benefiting from Cloud/Sephiroth interaction, but I'd chalk part of that up to cn's method. If I've been following the Oracle Discussion topic correctly, it seems that the consensus is that cn's method underrates low guys in matches, and Snake was the lowest. And once you get down into the low percentages (and <15% is quite low for a Noble Niner) I would also expect a "loyalty" bonus to kick in. ...In fact, one of the big arguments for MC is that his "loyalty"/hardcore voters kick in earlier/at a higher percentage than anyone else, but I've explained why I don't believe that a couple times already. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/31/2007 8:30:32 PM | message detail |
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Of course it's not going to matter as much as in that situation...
no one is saying it's going to be that extreme, but when Luigi is 3%
higher than the other competition in the stats, there doesn't need to
be anywhere near that size of a split to give them the victory over
him. Luigi is only projected to beat MC with 55% of the vote, that's
really not a large margin to overcome when you throw Ganon in their to
suck away some of his votes. But another thing I would argue is that Luigi got hit by a little SFF against Sonic...I for one don't buy Zero barely scraping out a win against Sub-Zero. Your mileage may vary, but I look at 54% on Zero, 52% on Kirby, and under 40% on Sonic as being a bit incongruous. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/31/2007 9:09:48 PM | message detail |
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I guess this poll pretty much makes me more confident about my non-Phoenix Wright picks. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| MMXcalibur | Posted 8/31/2007 9:13:15 PM | message detail |
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Serge is 2nd round bound. I'm really suprised that so many are picking
Pikachu. First off, he's been a contest weakling and I doubt even the
Pokemon fanbase are going to fully side with the yellow rat thanks to
that godawful TV show. --- KANSAS CITY CHIEFS (0-0) : AFC Wildcard NEXT: at Houston Texans (0-0) |
