GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 454
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/30/2007 1:54:22 PM | message detail |
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Mudkip and Tingle may not be anything special, but at least they're
from games people have actually played, and people know who they are. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2007 1:55:35 PM | message detail |
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why the hell does anyone think Pit is going to be worth a damn in this contest? Eh, Pit has more than just the site - he has the trailer, which we already know had a tangible effect on the votes that Snake received. The same people exposed to Snake that then voted for him have a high chance of being exposed to Pit. Toss in that he's got a cool design all-around and... ...well, in a match with Mudkip and Tingle I hope you're not trying to tell me Pit is a hopeless choice. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/30/2007 2:04:40 PM | message detail |
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anyone think we're underestimating Serge a bit? Chrono Cross made it
to 43 in the top 100 games list.. right behind FF9 and MGS2. the game
can't be that disliked or that unknown. Behind the worst Final Fantasy and the worst Metal Gear eh? Yeah, CC must be REALLY liked on this site. Also: lol @ this Mewtwo discussion I'll agree with whoever said Rikku is his upper limit. I have a hard time believing that he would be noticeably stronger than Pikachu, and I'd put Pikachu a peg or 2 under Rikku. TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" -trancer1 BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/30/2007 2:05:08 PM | message detail |
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I really dont feel like Pit's and Snake's roles in the trailer are in
anyway comparable. Everyone simultaneously creamed their pants when
Snake showed up... Pit was more like "uh cool who is that?" I'm not
saying it won't help him, but really is someone the majority of people
have never heard of before going to vote for him because of a trailer
in a 4 way poll? Granted most of the competition is a joke, but I'd bet
on blind LoZ or Pokemon love before SSBB trailer love. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2007 2:11:51 PM | message detail |
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The thing is that Mudkip is from RSE, a starter sure, but I played
Pokemon pretty frequently through the RBY and GSC eras and I didn't
have any idea who he was because I'd never been exposed to that era. I
don't think I'm alone there. I believe more in the fad (which I have
little to no read on) enhancing his popularity as opposed to anything
else. As for Tingle, his presence in Zelda is DEFINITELY resigned to the weaker ones, and I have trouble believing that he's gonna get much loyalty from anything except the joke voters. Even considering his performance on Sora (who IS overrated but let's not go into that again), he's not that strong at all. Pit DID get a lot of instant fans from the trailer, of that I am sure. He's got "fan-favorite" plastered all OVER him. The cool appeal is one thing, at least, that his two contenders can't really hope to match. In a match where those three are going to get such a little share of the votes to begin with anyway, I'm gonna throw my support behind SSB hype. Partially because the match pisses me off and I don't wish to think about it much, and partially because I'm tired of being burned by SSB hype of all things. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/30/2007 2:19:27 PM | message detail |
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and partially because I'm tired of being burned by SSB hype of all things. Typical Board 8 mentality. "This decision screwed me over last time, so I'll go against it this time despite wildly different circumstances. Had Knuckles been in the contest last year, I guarentee you Board 8 would have overrated him to hell and back. Hell, even this year alot of people are taking him over Yoshi, which would have been unheard of pre-2k5 TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" -trancer1 BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2007 2:24:45 PM | message detail |
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I think a lot of those Tingle votes were "Not Sora" votes, myself. I
definitely don't agree with the "people will vote anything Zelda"
sentiment going in. As for Mudkip, yeah, he might not be known to those
people who played RBY and then stopped, but it's not like the GBA games
are obscure
or anything. It may be the least popular generation, but it's still
pretty damn popular on its own. Plus Mudkip got plenty of anime
exposure to those still paying attention. He's known throughout the
Pokemon fanbase. That may not be the majority of the site, but it's
enough to go even with Metroid in the series contest. And remember,
we're talking about taking just enough of the vote to get second place. Mudkip is definitely capable of doing that. Really, I'm just wary of how much the SSBB trailer put Pit on the map. You can't deny that he is on the map now, regardless of how little known he was before. I mean, if Board 8 can get Jay Solano 1000 or so votes, I'm pretty sure the first SSBB trailer and a subsequent year of hype could get Pit several thousand. <_<; --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
| ZFS | Posted 8/30/2007 2:30:25 PM | message detail |
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I'm just curious to see how much of a boost MP3 will give Samus. No
one is expecting Samus > Cloud or anything, but is it within the
realm of possibility that she gives Cloud a scare and a close fight
perhaps? MP3 will give her a good boost, for sure, but it certainly isn't going to put her up there with Cloud. That's being unreasonable. We probably won't get to see her to do a whole lot here just because her route is so cut and dry. If Link were replaced with some other character, she could have a shot stealing a second in the Samus/Sephiroth/Cloud/Link fourpack, but as it is, it ain't happening. Baby steps -- let her stand up to Sephiroth before she starts trying to take out Cloud. --- Who Dares Wins |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/30/2007 2:33:14 PM | message detail |
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I think a lot of those Tingle votes were "Not Sora" votes, myself. I
definitely don't agree with the "people will vote anything Zelda"
sentiment going in. If that's the case, then Mega Man should have doubled Sora. Unless you think people are anti-voting Mega Man now. Tingle had joke votes and Zelda fanboys behind him, more than enough to put up unreasonably high numbers on Sora. This time he's got Mudkip taking all his joke/4chan votes and Pit digging into his Nintendo fanbase. TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" -trancer1 BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/30/2007 2:34:11 PM | message detail |
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she could have a shot stealing a second in the Samus/Sephiroth/Cloud/Link fourpack, but as it is, it ain't happening. She's not even getting that far. TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" -trancer1 BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2007 2:40:51 PM | message detail |
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If that's the case, then Mega Man should have doubled Sora. Unless you think people are anti-voting Mega Man now. Tingle had joke votes and Zelda fanboys behind him, more than enough to put up unreasonably high numbers on Sora. This time he's got Mudkip taking all his joke/4chan votes and Pit digging into his Nintendo fanbase. Umm, no. I never said Sora didn't have plenty of fans. But he doesn't have the mass popularity or widespread audience to blow out a Zelda character. I was really more knocking Tingle and those thinking he will hold up just because he got 24% on Sora. I don't see Sora as the type of character to be scoring 80%+ blowouts vs. Nintendo characters. But like you said, Tingle's got a lot more working against him. --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/30/2007 3:16:16 PM | message detail |
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and I'd put Pikachu a peg or 2 under Rikku. what kind of peg are we talking about exactly? --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/30/2007 3:17:31 PM | message detail |
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Much needed taggage. --- Currently Playing: Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, Persona 3 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/30/2007 3:28:55 PM | message detail |
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If Pikachu and Rikku were to have a match, I'd expect it to be 53-47 or so. Can't see her breaking 55% TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" -trancer1 BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/30/2007 3:31:24 PM | message detail |
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you think Pikachu would honestly get that much from barely beating Pa Rappa and getting 20% on pre-KH Cloud. he manages 47% on Rikku? I doubt Pikachu is as liked as Donkey Kong really. or even Ness. If Pikachu was that high, I'd already have Mewtwo > Ryu. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/30/2007 3:34:52 PM | message detail |
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I'd take Ness over Pikachu. --- Currently Playing: Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, Persona 3 |
| Kaxon | Posted 8/30/2007 3:51:34 PM | message detail |
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I'm going to quickly plug the Oracle Challenge here, since it should appeal to stats people... http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=37564158 This year's Oracle Challenge is up and if you like discussing stats, you might like it. (As most people know) the point is to predict the percentage each character will get... kind of like being on the analysis crew, except anyone can sign up and you're competing against all of board 8. The Oracle Challenge is one of the two most popular contest-related board contests (darn you Guru Contest!) and is a ton of fun, so head over to the topic if you're interested. --- Tia mi aven Moridin isainde vadin |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/30/2007 3:52:59 PM | message detail |
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I'm pretty sure Pikachu isn't very linear...meaning he will perform
better if he was blown out. So, his 20% on Cloud 2K2 was inflated,
meaning being worth 20% on Cloud 2K2 might be fair enough to say
nowadays if Pikachu had a 50/50 match with someone. Seriously, Pikachu
might be as strong as Lloyd Irving now in terms of a close
(traditional) match, even post-Nintendo boost. --- SC2K7 Betting Contest: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=37858904 Please participate and stuff. :x |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/30/2007 4:11:13 PM | message detail |
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What you're forgetting, is that the core userbase from 2k2 and 2k3
(namely the then 14-17 year olds) were the generation that was old
enough at just the right time to hate on the Pokemon anime. Kids at
that age think that hating something that is popular makes you cooler.
Now that age group is turning 20 and for the most part matured past
that stupid "indie cred' stage of their lives. And the current 14-17
year olds were at the right age that when they were 7-13 (Pokemon
target audience) they couldn't come to this site. Add to that the
recent release of D/P, overall Nintendo boostage and the Pokemon games
having a niche fanbase alongside its general one and I think Pikachu
will do WAY better now than he did in 2k2/2k3. Remember, Master Chief let Felix hit 47% on him, and now many people are taking him over Yuna and through his whole division. TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" -trancer1 BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| shadow8021 | Posted 8/30/2007 4:17:41 PM | message detail |
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You realize that, if the poll format was still 1 vs. 1, we'd all still
expect Master Chief to fall flat on his face again, even with Halo 3?
This format is the reason why MC potentially goes to the semifinals,
because it allows his true fanbase to shine and eliminates the
"anything but MC" votes through distribution. --- Final Character Battle Score: 180/240 Champions: Samus/Link |
| Team Rocket Elite | Posted 8/30/2007 4:29:40 PM | message detail |
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Now that age group is turning 20 and for the most part matured past that stupid "indie cred' stage of their lives. And now they hate Pikachu because of the kiddy image instead of because he's popular. And they still don't like the anime. An increase in the Pokemon fanbase doesn't hurt, but most of them hate Pikachu so it doesn't really help. If you're looking for Pikachu fans, you should be looking towards SSB series not the Pokemon series. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
| ZFS | Posted 8/30/2007 4:33:37 PM | message detail |
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She's not even getting that far. Oh. You're one of the Mega Man freaks! "one less bracket to worry about" --- Who Dares Wins |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/30/2007 4:39:25 PM | message detail |
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that still shouldn't boost Pikachu to Donkey Kong levels. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/30/2007 4:42:13 PM | message detail |
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Freak? Mega Man isn't that far behind Samus, and the fact that Bowser
will be in there zapping her votes makes it seem like a no-brainer to
pick Mega there. And TRE, I've noticed that as kids grow up, things that are "kiddy" suddenly become cool again, especially if it's something from your childhood. Case in point, look at how well Transformers did in the box office. At least half the people that saw it were in the 18-25 age group that grew up with the Transformers cartoon. TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" -trancer1 BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/30/2007 4:42:34 PM | message detail |
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mmm Metroid --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| Team Rocket Elite | Posted 8/30/2007 4:46:57 PM | message detail |
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And TRE, I've noticed that as kids grow up, things that are "kiddy"
suddenly become cool again, especially if it's something from your
childhood. For some things, yes. I'd say Pokemon is one of those things. However Pikachu isn't. Case in point, look at how well Transformers did in the box office. At least half the people that saw it were in the 18-25 age group that grew up with the Transformers cartoon. Transformers was considered kiddy? I guess I'm a bit out of touch with things. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/30/2007 4:48:01 PM | message detail |
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pfft, I remember when a bunch of friends and I got completely smashed and watched the old Transformers movie I'll never watch that movie again, holy hell --- xyzzy now playing: PW3, Jeanne d'Arc |
| ZFS | Posted 8/30/2007 4:48:03 PM | message detail |
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Freak? Mega Man isn't that far behind Samus, and the fact that
Bowser will be in there zapping her votes makes it seem like a
no-brainer to pick Mega there. Yes, well, I've seen some your other "no brainer" picks before. (How's Pikachu doing?) And while Samus doesn't make Mega Man look like fodder or anything, he's still not even close. They may both be in the Noble Nine, but they're not even within the same tier as each other. There's be zero upset potential in that one if you held it one-on-one, and Samus coming off of Corruption should help her out with Bowser taking a bit of the Nintendo vote. She shouldn't get that much of a scare from Mega Boy. --- Who Dares Wins |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/30/2007 4:48:20 PM | message detail |
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(still waiting for Moltar's email, by the way, if anyone has it) --- xyzzy now playing: PW3, Jeanne d'Arc |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/30/2007 4:48:40 PM | message detail |
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but still, Pikachu isn't as liked as Donkey Kong. or Ness. heck, don't
tell me you'd take him over Scorpion just because it's "cool again". --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/30/2007 4:52:09 PM | message detail |
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Shouldnt MM also worry about getting Nintendo votes pulled from
him...most of his games are on Nintendo consoles, and certainly the
most popular ones are --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2007 4:53:00 PM | message detail |
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whatever guys MM is totally pulling rSFF to win no I'm not mocking myself why would I be doing that --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 8/30/2007 4:55:05 PM | message detail |
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(still waiting for Moltar's email, by the way, if anyone has it) I have it! MasterMoltar@gmail.com --- Moltar Status: Bored and slightly sarcastic. The Analysis Crew...believe |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/30/2007 4:55:41 PM | message detail |
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woohoo! I'll send you what I have when I get home tonight. --- xyzzy now playing: PW3, Jeanne d'Arc |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2007 4:55:47 PM | message detail |
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I think that user's trying to pull a fast one on you --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| ZFS | Posted 8/30/2007 4:57:03 PM | message detail |
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Oh, man, I need to finish those... --- Who Dares Wins |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/30/2007 5:00:35 PM | message detail |
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I only have five done myself - gotta see how a couple matches play out
before I do much more, because we're all going to be brutally wrong at
the beginning, I think. --- xyzzy now playing: PW3, Jeanne d'Arc |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/30/2007 5:22:07 PM | message detail |
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I don't understand just why everyone believes this format will help
Master Chief. If anything, it's got a chance to hinder his chances. The
Anti-Chief and Halo voters will have THREE choices to vote for. Now I
know what some of you guys are gonna get at. The fact that there will
be three choices instead of one will allow the hardcore Halo folks to
overcome the split Anit-Halo votes. The way I'm looking at is that the
anti-voters will more than likely end up edging out the true MC
fanbase, because most of them would probably end up voting for someone
like Yuna in the first place. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/30/2007 6:05:01 PM | message detail |
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uh.... that makes no sense. the point is that that in normal matches
there are always that group of people who will vote Not-MC regardless
of the opponent, which will always hold MC back. In this format you're
not really going to be seeing that since there are 3 other options, and
chances are the voters are actually going to like one of them instead
of just voting for the one they might just be apathetic about. This
allows the once concentrated anti-votes to be spread out among 3 people
now, severely limiting how much it hurts the Chief. His following on
the other hand is a rabid bunch who are going to be willing to vote him
over anybody. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/30/2007 6:06:34 PM | message detail |
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Meh, you missed my entire point, but whatever. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2007 6:17:02 PM | message detail |
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I'm simply not sold on Master Chief having a fanbase that will vote him over anybody.
Sure, he does have a solid fanbase. But I'm getting the feeling that a
chunk of those voters who people are pinning on to be Master Chief or
nothing will find that they like at least one of those 3 options more than the Chief. He will do well, but I'm not giving him an automatic ticket to the 4th round. --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/30/2007 6:21:06 PM | message detail |
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I asked HM this, and now I'll ask you. Suppose that Link, Cloud, Snake
(or Sephiroth), and Master Chief were in a poll together. What would
the percentages look like? --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2007 6:27:05 PM | message detail |
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Was that to me? --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/30/2007 6:28:28 PM | message detail |
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No, EC. I'm pretty sure your answer would be close to mine, mnm. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/30/2007 6:38:23 PM | message detail |
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I'm only two away from being finished with my analyses! --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/30/2007 7:00:09 PM | message detail |
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I didn't miss your point, it just doesn't make sense. Any anti-voting
WILL be lessened in this format, its just logical sense. There's really
nothing to argue about it, since you know, its a fact. I'm not saying
MC is guaranteed the win, do i think he will? Yeah, but if you dont
want to take him thats fine, but to suggest this format will hurt him
because of anti-votes is just flat out wrong. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/30/2007 7:03:48 PM | message detail |
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Link, Cloud, Snake and MC? I really have no idea... 15%? --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2007 7:14:44 PM | message detail |
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| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2007 7:15:29 PM | message detail |
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Meh, you missed my entire point, but whatever. Or maybe your entire point was - again - wrong. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| MMXcalibur | Posted 8/30/2007 7:47:48 PM | message detail |
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NEW TOPIC: In Round 2, Tidus > Leon. In Round 3, Dante > Tidus. Reasonable risk? --- KANSAS CITY CHIEFS (0-0) : AFC Wildcard NEXT: at Houston Texans (0-0) |
