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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 454
HaRRicH | Posted 8/30/2007 8:05:58 AM | message detail |
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swirIdude | Posted 8/30/2007 8:08:16 AM | message detail |
No. --- Pokemon FC: 0129 8285 9148 Jump Ultimate Stars FC: 1504 2045 7334 |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/30/2007 8:08:19 AM | message detail |
Auron > Ryu > Bowser > Shadow --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
MMXcalibur | Posted 8/30/2007 8:09:47 AM | message detail |
Gentlemen, I present you with the upset of the contest and the result that will "make" my bracket: Link > Mario > Sephiroth > Crono The two Nintendo powerhouses will move on from that group. Book it. --- KANSAS CITY CHIEFS (0-0) : AFC Wildcard NEXT: at Houston Texans (0-0) |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/30/2007 8:10:47 AM | message detail |
It's amazing how quickly people forget about the Battle Royale. --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
Gaddswell | Posted 8/30/2007 8:11:20 AM | message detail |
Stat topic made after the 500 post? Madness --- Finally a damn bracket! |
JustForFun1988 | Posted 8/30/2007 8:12:24 AM | message detail |
Gentlemen, I present you with the upset of the contest and the result that will "make" my bracket: Link > Mario > Sephiroth > Crono http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2563 |
MMXcalibur | Posted 8/30/2007 8:20:11 AM | message detail |
Oh goddamnit....I forgot about the Battle Royale. I was pretty proud of myself on that pick too..... Well, thanks for the info. --- KANSAS CITY CHIEFS (0-0) : AFC Wildcard NEXT: at Houston Texans (0-0) |
PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/30/2007 8:20:41 AM | message detail |
GUYS WE HAVE TO MAKE NEW TOPICS AT 18 POSTS THE MADNESS THAT WOULD ENSUE IF WE DIDNT WOULD CAUSE MASS CHAOS. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/30/2007 8:33:49 AM | message detail |
Even if 2005 was a fluke, I still think Mewtwo can upset Ryu. Ryu is
the type of character that seems to only do well against non-Nintendo
competition. Uhhh...Didn't he do pretty well against Samus? He had ONE bad match, and all of a sudden he's got Nintendo problems. Gimme a break. I still don't see why everyone's so high on Pokemon...resisting SFF? Why? I can't believe HaRR keeps referencing what Nidoran F did as if it's impressive. It's not. And for another thing, it's a completely different situation. Mewtwo is NOT a joke entry. And I think the whole Metroid not SFFing Pokemon thing is being overblown. Does anyone honestly think Metroid is in the same league as Samus herself? I don't. Also, the more I think about it, 65% on Star Ocean really ain't that impressive either. That should be bottom of the barrel right there. I don't know if it'd beat any of the series in the contest, apart from the obvious Madden and Shadow Hearts. Yeah, I think Suikoden could beat Star Ocean, too. At the very least, it'd be close. Besides, I understand we DO have hardcore fans of the Pokemon games, but what about the actual Pokemon themselves? Sure, Mewtwo is an exception, but how strong would you expect a character to be when there are 300+ to choose from? And yeah, he's got Smash Brothers, but Bowser negates that. Eh, his only true "Nintendo" competition was Bowser, and I really can't see Mewtwo getting 40% on him. Rikku is still kinda embarrassing, admittedly. Rikku turned out to be better than we thought anyway, and she'd beat Mewtwo head-to-head. --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
HaRRicH | Posted 8/30/2007 9:16:59 AM | message detail |
Joke votes didn't make Nidoran = Pikachu, Leonhart, and I doubt many
got the joke anyway. How much did joke-votes help Duke Nukem against
Cloud? Even when the joke was obvious to all AND pretty funny
(self-sustaining, I believe mnm said...nice way of saying it), it
didn't help much compared to the year before...it's not the same for
Nidoran like that. As for you wondering how strong "the exception" can be when there's over three hundred Pokemon, there's a reason why he's the clear favorite despite this. He was THE Pokemon to have in THE Pokemon games that are most cherished here, he was THE star of at least one Pokemon movie, and both of those were why he even got in SSBM. He sucks in SSBM and Bowser's in there to offset what little it would do for him, but people were real excited he got in the game for a reason... ...then, just because I know you hate it, Nidoran's "fanbase" (or as I'd rather say, the Pokemon fanbase) kept her from losing ground against Samus. If they got that strongly behind a random Pokemon probably only seen on handhelds (barring Colosseum games) against a Nintendo legend/mascot who spans various consoles and even genres, then how is Mewtwo going to lose much support to Bowser or Toad. Ryu aside, if Samus can't make Nidoran look any worse than Pikachu, how is Bowser or Toad going to keep Mewtwo completely out of contention? --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/30/2007 9:30:16 AM | message detail |
I don't understand the resisting SFF business either. What do we have
to back this up, Metroid/Pokemon in the series (don't have anything to
base their actual strengths on), and Samus/Nidoran F (don't have
anything to base Nidy's strength on), then throw in the fact that
everyone loves to say "lol Samus can't SFF anything" and well, you have
pretty much nothing to back it up. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/30/2007 10:36:35 AM | message detail |
Rikku turned out to be better than we thought anyway, and she'd beat Mewtwo head-to-head. ...what? Mewtwo may not be that strong, but he'll certainly be good enough to beat Rikku. It's not like that's much of a feat, considering Rikku's place in the stats. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
Xuxon | Posted 8/30/2007 10:39:10 AM | message detail |
Why would you be certain about that? It actually seems pretty debatable to me. In fact, I'm pretty sure I'd take Rikku. --- FFXII NLB - finished - 39 marks FFXII LLIENANMiNDM - Bhujerba (post-Ba'Gamnan) |
Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/30/2007 10:41:23 AM | message detail |
Mewtwo's a fan favorite in a popular series. Like Auron, but Mewtwo has more than just one game to draw on, and he has SSBM too. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
AmazingKirby | Posted 8/30/2007 10:42:34 AM | message detail |
Sorry, Rikku wins. Game over. --- caps |
therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2007 10:42:59 AM | message detail |
It's not like later Pokemon games are putting Mewtwo on the map now...
If anything, with more and more ubers/legendaries being added, the
focus is off of Mewtwo now.... --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2007 10:46:31 AM | message detail |
Err, Rikku's at 31% on Samus as of 2006.
Using 2k5 Samus that puts her at 25.85 on BL, a VERY solid midcarder.
And if you make Samus stronger, that makes Rikku that much better (for
example, NGamer's stats have Rikku beating 2k5 Leon Kennedy). The only
thing you can really use to make Rikku look significantly worse is if
you adjust her 2k5 number down based on 2k6 Bowser (and really... HOW
weak do you want to say Ryu was in 2k5 again?). You can have whatever opinions on Mewtwo that you want, but stating that him being stronger than Rikku is a lock... that's just foolishness. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2007 10:48:38 AM | message detail |
Mewtwo's a fan favorite in a popular series. Like Auron, but Mewtwo has more than just one game to draw on, and he has SSBM too. ...please don't compare Mewtwo to Auron. Are we forgetting that the sole indicator of Pokemon being a "popular" series here on GameFAQs is its showing against Metroid? That's not proof of anything. I expect Mewtwo to be strong, but he's not going to be any sort of powerhouse and he could very well get killed. I'm not sold on Pokemon's strength any more than I am Metroid's. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/30/2007 10:52:43 AM | message detail |
I'm just curious to see how much of a boost MP3 will give Samus. No one
is expecting Samus > Cloud or anything, but is it within the realm
of possibility that she gives Cloud a scare and a close fight perhaps? --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2007 10:53:27 AM | message detail |
Yeah, it was pretty much agreed on that Rikku/Fox would be a good
match. I don't see why Mewtwo would be a lock over Rikku. Hell, I took
beating Rikku as being in the upper-bounds of Mewtwo's strength (no, I don't mean max). But I could also see him being in that 21-22% range as well... --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2007 10:54:40 AM | message detail |
I'm just curious to see how much of a boost MP3 will give Samus. No
one is expecting Samus > Cloud or anything, but is it within the
realm of possibility that she gives Cloud a scare and a close fight
perhaps? Give Cloud a scare? No I don't think Samus = Sephiroth... --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
outback | Posted 8/30/2007 10:55:46 AM | message detail |
I can't see Mewtwo being that popular... I wouldn't put him above Pikachu, despite Pika's anti-votes. --- Mario Strikers Charged Friend Code: 0387630-238389 Current Season Record: 0-0 |
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/30/2007 10:56:53 AM | message detail |
Then what do you expect of the MP3 boost to do for Samus MNM? Nothing notable? --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2007 11:01:55 AM | message detail |
In 2k4, we were happy that Samus was able to break 40%
on Cloud, and that was before KH2 and Advent Children. Now with the Wii
and Metroid Prime 3 (MP2 didn't seem to boost Samus that much), you
expect her to suddenly give Cloud a scare? Sephiroth doesn't even look to give Cloud a scare... Unless you call 53/47 a scare... --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2007 11:02:57 AM | message detail |
And I'm talking about Sephiroth there. I'd be surprised if Samus managed 45% against Cloud... --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/30/2007 11:13:42 AM | message detail |
Eh, I just figured with recent trends and given that Square hasn't
really been doing much lately SINCE AC and KH2 that it could be
somewhat plausible... --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2007 11:17:45 AM | message detail |
Yeah, but it's not like Cloud is getting less popular. Samus will of
course close the gap, but that's a LARGE gap. I could see if the
conversation was about her maybe getting close to Sephiroth... --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/30/2007 11:20:53 AM | message detail |
I actually think Samus will beat Seph out for 3rd place in Link/Samus/Cloud/Sephiroth...>_> --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
voltch | Posted 8/30/2007 11:33:16 AM | message detail |
if samus can get wrecked apart by mario what is link gonna do? --- Rufus shinra destroyed my bracket in the sc2k6 contest. |
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2007 12:00:59 PM | message detail |
I actually think Samus will beat Seph out for 3rd place in Link/Samus/Cloud/Sephiroth...>_> http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2562 WHY --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
transience | Posted 8/30/2007 12:02:48 PM | message detail |
wow, look at all the fighting we had over who made the stats topic! I'm
thinking one purged or something since that last one took a while to
hit 500. yeah, I'm thinking that saying anything about Mewtwo definitively is silly. no one knows. Rikku actually sounds like a good spot, she's my new "average midcarder", taking the title from pre-2k5 Luigi. --- "There's "Awesome," then a few more notches up there is "Amazing," go a few more up and there's "Impeccable." Finally, after climbing a mountain of distance there's "Yuri Hyuga." - HM |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/30/2007 12:16:39 PM | message detail |
as much as I love Mewtwo, he has no chance against Rikku if you ask me. Mewtwo/Frog sounds more debatable. also, I'd take Rikku over Fox as well. so yeah. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/30/2007 12:42:51 PM | message detail |
anyone think we're underestimating Serge a bit? Chrono Cross made it to
43 in the top 100 games list.. right behind FF9 and MGS2. the game
can't be that disliked or that unknown. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
H__RR____H | Posted 8/30/2007 12:43:10 PM | message detail |
I'd take Rikku over Mewtwo head-to-head, but not by alot and I wouldn't be shocked if Mewtwo won. --- Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/30/2007 12:46:09 PM | message detail |
There actually was a 454 in my tagged topics, but it purged. No clue how that happened. ~*ST*~ --- Petition for a system notification when a contribution is removed: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=37308859 |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/30/2007 12:46:17 PM | message detail |
looking at Sub-Zero and from a lesser popular series than Pokemon, I
guess Mewtwo's ceiling could be somewhere around his area.. but I find
it highly unlikely; Mewtwo seems more of a ..Scorpion strength kind of
guy to me. there are far too many Pokemon out there. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
H__RR____H | Posted 8/30/2007 12:47:04 PM | message detail |
anyone think we're underestimating Serge a bit? Chrono Cross made it
to 43 in the top 100 games list.. right behind FF9 and MGS2. the game
can't be that disliked or that unknown. Not to mention being rather close to both Wind Waker and Majora's Mask...ultimately, it's a big group of often-hated games from popular series. Seriously though, Serge could be underestimated. I'm taking Pikachu to outlast him, but that would be one of the least shocking point-losses in my bracket if Serge powered through. He's not to be forgotten...just not my particular choice. --- Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio |
H__RR____H | Posted 8/30/2007 12:51:45 PM | message detail |
I can understand the mentality that too many characters keep the focus
from Mewtwo -- we've seen it in FF3/6, for example. At the same time
though, FF3/6 also doesn't have a CLEAR favorite (Kefka's the closest
we got, but there's also Shadow, Locke, Edgar, Sabin.....). How many
people will dispute Mewtwo being the strongest rep from the Pokemon
series? Only Charmander and maybe one or two others could pose an
argument, and even then it would probably be more for the sake of
consideration. For there to be as many Pokemon as there is and for
Mewtwo to be the leader, that means something. --- Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio |
voltch | Posted 8/30/2007 1:07:36 PM | message detail |
one thing about the pokemon series i don't get is why are pokemon themselves the top draws? I want to see prof Oak in the contest one day with maybe red and blue and even giovanni. --- Rufus shinra destroyed my bracket in the sc2k6 contest. |
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/30/2007 1:21:05 PM | message detail |
WHY cause I'm crazy and I'm gonna pull an HM cause MP3 is kickass <_< --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2007 1:32:06 PM | message detail |
The thing is, if Mewtwo were THAT decisive of a fan-favorite and
Pokemon was THAT popular... we would have seen him by now, help from
Board 8 (and 128 characters) or not. Not that he still can't be popular
(see: Vincent), but the way some people are hyping him? You're just
priming yourselves for disappointment. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2007 1:33:06 PM | message detail |
And all the cool kids know Charizard is where it's at. <_< --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
trannyscience | Posted 8/30/2007 1:33:20 PM | message detail |
I heard that argument most recently with Sub-Zero - didn't stop him from impressing everybody. can't believe you're considering Serge > Pikachu while taking Mewtwo > Ryu, H. --- xyzzy now playing: PW3, Jeanne d'Arc |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/30/2007 1:37:54 PM | message detail |
I just think Pikachu/Mewtwo is like a Tidus/Auron syndrome. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
BDawg | Posted 8/30/2007 1:42:46 PM | message detail |
I think Lucario could be on par with Mewtwo, just get him into Brawl somehow. --- Should I start running now? |
PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/30/2007 1:46:51 PM | message detail |
I would take Rikku to kick Mewtwo's ass, calling him a lock over her is just flat out stupid.
As for Samus challenging Cloud, I'm pretty sure I'm the biggest Samus
supporter out there, at least in terms of her stength anyway, and there
is no goddamn chance in hell she's taking him down. Now a question i have to ask... why the hell does anyone think Pit is going to be worth a damn in this contest? Before he was announced in SSB, 10% of this board probably knew who he was. Hell if SSB was out I still dont think he's a lock for that match. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 8/30/2007 1:48:55 PM | message detail |
Mudkip and Tingle aren't exactly high marks to beat. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
XIII_rocks | Posted 8/30/2007 1:49:54 PM | message detail |
I just think Pikachu/Mewtwo is like a Tidus/Auron syndrome. Y'know, this actually makes sense. One, an antivoted, annoying 'main' character. The other, a badass 'side' character. But then, we're talking about different fanbases here, so...hmm. Thing is we'll not know Mewtwo's true strength in onevone matches - I know I won't be using these results definitively if we get a 'conventional' bracket next year. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=34492787 Sign plz "NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU *****!" - Molly Weasley, Deathly Hallows |
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2007 1:53:49 PM | message detail |
I just think Pikachu/Mewtwo is like a Tidus/Auron syndrome. That's an interesting way of looking at it. Just for fun, adjust 2k2 Pikachu by Cloud 2k3 (should be quite optimistic for the little rat, one would think). That puts him at 21.15 on BL, solidly above the fodder line - something I would never even consider, especially in 2002, but for sake of argument. Now take Auron 2k5 and Tidus 2k4 (just the years I'd say reflect their "true" strengths - without KH2 - the most) and Auron scores a solid 56% on Tidus. This may be lowballing it to an extent thanks to Mario/Samus and/or Samus/Ganon, so I'll bump him up to 58% for the hell of it. Now if Mewtwo gets 58% on that Pikachu, he ends up being worth 25.17 on BL. Comparable to Rikku actually, she'd still be expected to win in a semi-close victory. Of course, there's the argument that the disparity between Mewtwo and Pikachu is significantly greater than that (and I believe it), but I hardly believe anyone thinks Pika is as strong as I just postulated... even post-Nintendo boost. Just food for thought. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |